What happened to Friesland?

Soretna · December 25, 2019, 8:39pm

I've always been intrigued by the missing "Friesland" (aka Frisland, Frischlant, Friesland, Frislanda, Frislandia, or Fixland) island as found in ancient maps such as Mercator's 1623 Arctic Map.

Ephraimite's remarks about how "selling an explorer a bad map could cost your reputation, your career, and maybe even your life" has weighed heavily on my thoughts over the last few weeks. It lends much more significance and credence to these old maps that so many gloss over or seem to just think they were in error.

Mercator was a pretty darn good map maker. If you ignore the textual information and simply look at his maps, he did a pretty amazing job for the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerardus_Mercator

Just check out the Northern Europe + North Atlantic aspects of this oft referenced map:

Zoom into Friesland:

Look at The 1558 Zeno Map showing Frisland at lower left ( A reproduction of the Zeno map (original by Nicolo Zeno 1558) published by Henrich Peter von Eggers in the 1793 book Priisskrift om Grønlands Østerbygds sande Beliggenhed)

And then this December 1691 / January 692 map:

Jimmy's recent video (Bright Insight) with remarks about water level differences of around -400 and even perhaps close to -750 or lower levels got me thinking.

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Fortunately the developer from FloodMap.net implemented NEGATIVE value lookup and it allows us to play around with these lower sea levels: https://www.floodmap.net/ - I found punching some of these lower sea levels to give some interesting observations:

Ultimately, though, I started having thoughts about the earthquakes from yesterday:

Especially the map that reveals the juncture of 3 fault lines in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean:

Both the Book of Mormon passages about the tremendous destruction in the Americas AND this topic of Friesland were brought to the front of my mind when I watched Jimmy's video. Notice how, in 3 Nephi 8-9, there is so much discussion about how so many cities were destroyed by low places / valleys being raised up to become mountains and mountains being swallowed up to become low places!

It appears that all of this happened around fault lines that might also be connected to this Atlantic Ocean region.

Did something happen where Friesland was swallowed up or obliterated in some unknown catastrophic event? Any thoughts?

I have a feeling that a lot of our geological / seismic hypotheses and modeling are basically garbage since we do not have a long enough of a proper timeline to really view and understand things in proper context and this becomes even more poignant since the glacial hypothesis is garbage.

Soretna · December 27, 2019, 6:58pm

@Ephraimite shared some interesting insight with me off-forum from someone who is pretty up to speed on this area of thought and research. I don't want to speak for him or mention any names in case any of that may be considered private, so I'd like to ask if he's interested in sharing any of this here.

sidharthabahadur · December 28, 2019, 4:41pm

@Soretna , I found this weird article on the net about Friesland...not sure what to make of this :-

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Soretna · November 11, 2020, 12:16am

Frislant 1580 map:

Full Size (Archive):

Larger view of Firsland from the 1380 map:

And the full map:

This video on the White Slave Trade of Africa and mention of Lundy Island got me thinking about Frisland again:

It also made me recall this fascinating work of Marie Tharp:

sidharthabahadur · November 11, 2020, 8:56am

Hmmm....@Soretna , it's on people like us to revive the much reviled "Crustal Displacement Theory". It really does happen ! The outer skin of our planet isn't quite as RIGID as geologists think it to be .

The outer skin of our planet (Crust) probably does shift due to eccentricity in Earth's orbit around the Sun . It might even get triggered due to occasional (relatively) close "encounters" or "flybys" with the gas giants - Jupiter/Saturn .

This leads to "Polar Shifts" - that's not to say that Pole shifts occur overnight , NO most certainly not ! But a Pole shift could occur over say , a few hundred or more likely , a few thousand years . In geological terms , that's merely the blink of an eye .

What would humans experience at the time a Geographic Pole shift is occuring ?? Well , it would be a period of great turmoil in nature , wherein mega earthquakes would occur frequently , the oceans may slosh around (triggering giant tsunamis) , an ice age getting triggered , massive volcanic eruptions might occur as well . Basically , a BAD time for any civilisation existing during such a phase - almost certainly that civilisation wouldn't survive and mankind would get pushed "back to the stone age" AGAIN - probably a cyclical phenomena that's been repeated a number of times in the story of mankind on Earth :))

The impact on mega fauna would be severe - there is hard evidenc of this . In Northern Canada , Alaska and Norther Siberia , a layer of "MUCK" , about hundred meters thick has been found starting just a few meters underground . This muck consists almost entirely of animal remains , skeletons etc. It implies that mega fauna in their millions had perished whenever Polar shifts occurred .

Regards

Soretna · November 11, 2020, 5:47pm

This is likely true, yes. Geological theory and processes most certainly need to be dramatically reworked. I believe we should take a survey of existing non-mainstream work in this regard such as Crustal Displacement Theory - which I believe is also known as the expanding Earth/crust theory, right? Additionally there are other works that incorporate or base themselves off of hollow planet theory such as those that have been hidden from public knowledge that are mentioned in Jan Lamprecht's book...

Velikovsky and understanding concepts that were out there prior to the glacial theory bull crap are also of critical importance.

sidharthabahadur · November 12, 2020, 5:41am

Yes sure @Soretna , the relatively recent extinction of mega fauna (mostly mammals) eg. Mastodons , woolly rhinos, Mammoths etc. (at least from the Earth's outer surface) is one of the enduring mysteries of our times , it has NEVER been properly explained .

Science textbooks just gloss over this mystery . The evidence is still available , buried in the Arctic Tundra - Northern Canada , Alaska , Siberia , even Greenland . Some of these creatures clearly died abruptly , while chewing grass , undigested food still in their gut , as though something SUDDEN happened .

The bones of these animals , buried under the Arctic Tundra , in such unbelievable magnitude , have a story to tell - a story about the dynamic nature of our planet and it's outer crust , that mankind can ill afford to ignore .

As per Mario Buildreps' path breaking new mathematical theory "Antiquity Reborn" , we are now due for the next "shift" of the North Pole , in the direction of Siberia (moving further away from Greenland) .

I can feel it in my bones , that the "OFFER" made by the US govt. last year , to "buy" Greenland from Denmark , at the price of US$ 1 TRILLION DOLLARS wasn't made just for the heck of it :)) There is something precious , something of UNIMAGINABLE VALUE , hidden beneath the mile thick ice sheet of Greenland ! Go figure it out :))

Regards

Soretna · November 15, 2020, 11:18pm

sidharthabahadur · November 16, 2020, 6:01am

@Soretna , thanks for sharing....at about 36 minutes into this video , David talks about how "crystal clear" , NEW (fresh , not salty) water comes up from within the Earth , in the seas around Iceland...hmmm ! Very interesting indeed - will comment in detail once I've been able to watch the entire video .

Regards

Soretna · August 21, 2021, 6:23pm

Could Thule have been also known as Friesland? Screenshot from a video below:

Or was this another island? Probably not Iceland (since we hear that Iceland was settled in the Middle Ages). Here's a full image of the map that you will see excerpted from in the video, the Carta Marina ( Carta marina et descriptio septentrionalium terrarum or Latin for Marine map and description of the Northern lands – published circa 1539 AD):

I find the contextual location of Thule / Tile within the framework of this map to be interesting in relation to other maps shown above in older posts.

The map of Claudius Clavus of the Northern countries in 1427 is also slightly interesting:

This thought process was encouraged by this interesting video in German (turn on closed caption (CC) with auto-generated translation to your language of preference to understand it better). It discusses the Greek explorer Pytheas and his exploration of the northern European region and on up/out to Thule:

Deepl Translator is useful for textual translation. Here's the autogenerated Youtube/Google German Transcript with translation:

00:00
in einem uralten reisebericht aus dem          in an ancient travelogue from the
00:02
antiken griechenland ist die rede von          ancient greece talks about
00:04
dem unbekannten land thule dem atlantis        the unknown land of thule the atlantis
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des nordens hallo welt den weg am mein         of the north hello world the way at my
00:14
name ist tobias tun und heute wollen wir       name is tobias do and today we want to
00:16
mal eine entdeckungsreise machen               make a voyage of discovery
00:18
in ferne geografische regionen und             to distant geographical regions and
00:21
entferne zeiten genauer gesagt ins alte        distant times more precisely to the old
00:24
griechenland ungefähr ins jahr 325 vor         greece about the year 325 before
00:27
christus                                       christ
00:28
das ist die zeit von alexander dem             this is the time of alexander the
00:30
großen wo er an der grenze des indischen       great where he stood on the border of india
00:33
subkontinents steht und mit alexander          subcontinent and with alexander
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richtet sich die aufmerksamkeit der            the attention of the
00:38
griechisch zivilisierten welt nach osten       greek civilized world to the east
00:41
nach asien ins reich der perser und noch       to asia into the empire of the persians and still
00:45
darüber hinaus aber davon darf man sich        beyond that but of this one may
00:47
nicht täuschen lassen auch westlich von        not be deceived also west of
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griechenland sind die griechen aktiv           greece the greeks are active
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schon seit ungefähr dem jahre 600 vor          since about the year 600 before
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christus hatten die griechen ausgehend         christ the greeks had outgoing
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vom kern griechenland und auch                 from the core of greece and also
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kleinasien also der küste der heutigen         small asia so the coast of today
01:01
türkei                                         turkey
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expeditionen kolonial kolonialisierung         expeditions colonial colonization
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expeditionen in den ganzen mittel              expeditions throughout the middle
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mehreren bereichen unternommen und eine        several areas undertaken and one
01:10
dieser frühen kolonien weil die stadt          of these early colonies because the city
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massa auf lateinisch basilia und auf           massa in latin basilia and on
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französisch können wir sie heute noch          french we can still see it today
01:16
auf als marseille und in dieser stadt          on as marseille and in this city
01:20
marsaglia marseille lebte ein mann             marsaglia marseille lived a man
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namens peters peters war wahrscheinlich        named peters peters was probably
01:25
ein händler ein kaufmann ganz genau            a trader a merchant exactly
01:29
wissen es nicht wir müssen eigentlich          do not know we must actually
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kaum etwas über ihn als person aber er         hardly anything about him as a person but he
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sollte berühmtheit erlangen                    should gain fame
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denn er war der grieche der in der             because he was the greek who was
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antike wahrscheinlich die ausgedehnte          antiquity probably the extended
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reise in den in richtung norden in die         journey to the north in the
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weiten des nord märz nach skandinavien         far north march to scandinavia
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hin unternommen hat und davon auch in          and from there also in
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einem buch berichtet hat das buch hieß         a book the book was called
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wahrscheinlich über den ozean ist uns          probably across the ocean is us
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aber leider nicht mehr erhalten obwohl         but unfortunately no longer preserved although
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es in der antike sehr verbreitet gewesen       it was very common in antiquity
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sein muss denn viele antike autoren            must have been because many ancient authors
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beziehen sich auf peters zitieren aus          refer to peters quoting from
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seinem buch und daher haben wir auch           his book and therefore we also have
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noch ein paar vereinzelte informationen        some more isolated information
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über seine reise nach norden                   about his journey to the north
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die er in seinem buch beschrieben hat          which he described in his book
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freilich die späteren autoren die sich         admittedly the later authors who
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auf peters beziehen seien ihnen oftmals        refer to peters are often indebted to them
02:17
kritisch vor allem polybius und star           critical especially of polybius and star
02:20
bonn waren gar nicht nett gegenüber            bonn were not at all nice towards
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peters eingestellt astragon bezeichnet         peters hired astragon called
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ihn als ein lügner und das hatte               him as a liar and that had
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vielleicht auch damit zu tun dass die          perhaps also to do with the fact that
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sachverhalte die peters beschrieben hat        facts that peters described
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so unglaublich klangen dass man sich in        sounded so unbelievable that
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der mittelmeerregion das gar nicht             the mediterranean region
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vorstellen konnte leider wissen wir            unfortunately we know
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nicht genau wann tut ja seine reise            not exactly when does his journey
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unternahm wahrscheinlich irgendwann            probably undertook at some point
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zwischen 330 und 320 vor christus noch         between 330 and 320 before christ
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über welche route noch wie manche              via which route nor how some
02:50
vermuten dass er über den seeweg durch         suppose that he passed by sea through
02:52
die straße von gibraltar die säulen des        the strait of gibraltar the columns of the
02:54
herakles gefahren ist und dann richtung        heracles and then headed towards
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britannien andere vermuten dass er über        britain others suspect that he crossed
02:59
den landweg frankreich durchquert hat          crossed france by land
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vielleicht weil seine ursprungs                perhaps because his origins
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motivation gewesen herauszufinden woher        motivation has been to find out where
03:06
die handelsgüter die die griechen in           the trade goods that the greeks in
03:09
massa ankauften her kamen vor allem sind       massa came from are mainly
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das man für die herstellung von bronze         that for the production of bronze
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gebrauchte aber auch bernd stange und          used but also bernd stange and
03:17
das ja aus dem norden europas kam waren        which yes came from the north of europe were
03:19
antiken griechenland sagenumwoben und          ancient greece fabled and
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vielleicht wollte er auch lieber dessen        perhaps he also preferred to be
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ursprünge etwas herausfinden aber im           origins something but in the
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laufe seiner reise muss man wohl doch          course of his journey one must probably nevertheless
03:28
eingestehen dass es sich zu einer reinen       admit that it turns out to be a pure
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entdeckungsreise entwickelte es besteht        voyage of discovery it consists
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noch einigermaßen sicherheit darüber           still some certainty about it
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dass peters britannien durchquerte ob          that peters crossed britain whether or not
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nun zu fuß wie einige quellen berichten        now on foot as some sources report
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oder ob er es mit dem schiff vorbei dran       or whether he passed it by ship
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gefahren ist das weiß man nicht genau          one does not know exactly
03:47
aber dann am nordende von britannien           but then at the north end of britain
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angelangt gibt es einen rätselhafte            there is a mysterious
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bemerkung bei strato der piazza zitiert        remark at strato quoting piazza
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nämlich sechs tagesreisen nördlich von         namely six days' journey north of
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britannien soll ein land namens tula           britain is said to be a country called tula
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existieren das nördlichste land der erde       exist the northernmost country on earth
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einer insel mitten im nordischen ozean         an island in the middle of the nordic ocean
04:05
die noch nie ein grieche betreten hatte        which no greek had ever set foot on
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peters berichtet dass noch eine                peters reports that another
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tagesreise weiter von kohle aus dass           day trip further from coal from that
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gewonnen                                       won
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er beginnt das ist wohl als                    he begins that is probably as
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metaphorische umschreibung für das             metaphorical euphemism for the
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eismeer zu verstehen                           sea of ice
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und das berichtet auch von anderen             and this also reported by others
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seltsamen naturerscheinungen so                strange natural phenomena like this
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berichtet er beispielsweise von der            he reports for example of the
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mitternachtssonne von polarlichtern oder       midnight sun from polar lights or
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von einer rätselhaften meeres lunge das        of a mysterious sea lung the
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war in der heimat des budgets der name         was in the home of the budget the name
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einer quallenart und man weiß nicht            of a jellyfish species and one does not know
04:38
genau was er damit nun genau in bezug          exactly what he now exactly in relation
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auf diesen nördlichen regionen                 to these northern regions
04:43
bezeichnete wahrscheinlich meinte pythia       probably meant pythia
04:45
ist einfach das gebet wo wasser eis            is simply the prayer where water ice
04:48
nebel                                          mist
04:48
alle diese elemente sollen einander            all these elements are to each other
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übergehen dass man weder weiß wo man           that you neither know where you are
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hingeht noch wo man sich eigentlich            where you are going nor where you
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gerade befindet leider leider da das           just is unfortunately unfortunately there the
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werk von peters nur so bruchstellen haft       work of peters only so fractures liable
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überliefert ist wissen wir nicht welches       is handed down we do not know which
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land wirklich mit thule gemeint war            country was really meant by thule
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die vermutungen gehen entdecken                the conjectures go discover
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eigentlich den ganzen leuten ozean ab          actually the whole people ocean off
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von island im westen bis zu den lofoten        from iceland in the west to the lofoten islands
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und norwegen im osten dazwischen werden        and norway in the east in between
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auch beispielsweise die färöer-inseln          also for example the faroe islands
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genannt man kann es nicht wirklich sagen       called one can not really say
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an einer stelle wird berichtet dass es         at one point it is reported that there are
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dort im norden auch einwohner auf einer        there in the north also residents on a
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insel gegeben habe allerdings ist nicht        island, however, is not
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ganz klar ob damit auch mit dieser insel       quite clear whether with it also with this island
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thule gemeint ist das würde dann               thule is meant that would then
05:32
allerdings die zumindest gegen island          however, the at least against Iceland
05:34
sprechen denn wirklich besiedelt wurde         because was really settled
05:36
island soweit wir heute wissen                 Iceland as far as we know today
05:38
eigentlich erst im mittelalter                 actually only in the middle ages
05:40
nachdem er von thule zurückgekehrt war         after he returned from thule
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segelte peters noch weiter in die nord-        peters sailed even further into the north
05:45
und ostsee hinein angeblich erreichte er       and east sea supposedly he reached
05:47
zb schon die insel helgoland bevor er          e.g. already the island helgoland before he reached
05:50
dann wieder in seiner heimat an der            then back to his home on the
05:53
mittelmeerküste aufbrach und dort sein         mediterranean coast and there his
05:55
reisebericht über den ozean schrieb ich        travel report about the ocean I wrote
05:58
persönlich finde es sehr spannend dass         personally find it very exciting that
06:00
schon im vierten jahrhundert vor               already in the fourth century before
06:01
christus ein grieche sich so weit              christus a greek so far
06:03
vorgewagt hatte in die nördlichsten            had ventured into the northernmost
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gebiete europas zu schnee eis und nebel        regions of europe to snow ice and fog
06:08
und ein bericht darüber verfasst hat           and has written a report about it
06:11
genau so schade finde ich es aber dass         just as unfortunate I find it however that
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der bericht nur sehr bruchstückhaft            the report only very fragmentary
06:15
überliefert ist brings die antiken             has been handed down brings the antiquities
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griechen aber auch die römer die waren         greeks but also the romans who were
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alle sehr an geografie interessiert und        all very interested in geography and
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ein anderes gebiet mit dem sie sich            another area with which they were
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näher beschäftigt                              more closely
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waren die alpen ich habe hier mal ein          were the alps I have here times a
06:28
video gemacht zu den halmen der antike         video made to the straws of the antiquity
06:30
wenn du dich für die antike biografie          if you are interested in the ancient biography
06:33
interessiert solltest du dir das               you should watch the
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unbedingt anschauen dann sage ich danke        then I say thank you
06:36
fürs zuschauen und bis gleich                  for watching and see you soon

sidharthabahadur · August 23, 2021, 10:20am

@Soretna , it's an excellent idea - I feel there is a very high possibility that Thule and Friesland were one and the same...they have far too many similarities , for such a possibility to be ignored !

Regards

Soretna · August 24, 2021, 4:37am

It is interesting if you compare them:

Notice particularly how there is an interesting feature that could be called out that they all share (even though Tile aka Thule could be turned or distorted a little differently than the others:

Now, the thing that really convinces me is the relationship of Iceland with Tile / Friesland and Fare / Estland / etc:

Note as above:
iceland_another

Soretna · August 29, 2021, 9:33pm

Apparently there was some discussion from some time ago about a "Vinland Map" (2002, 2004).

It has been claimed that this may have been a hoax:

Newer discussions and such suggest it was real:

"Thule Ultima" (perhaps there was a Thule (Tile) and an Ultimate Thule? Notice it at the top of the Russian region.

Notice any Friesland potentials?

sidharthabahadur · August 30, 2021, 5:16pm

@Soretna , I think the implication of all these esoteric maps is that the other side of the North Polar opening (on the Hollow Earth side) is bang in the center of a large continent...a bit like how the South Polar opening is land locked within the continent of Antarctica .

Regards

Soretna · August 30, 2021, 5:35pm

Except that the Jansens had a different experience wherein they were still free to move about the inner ocean. I suspect, again, going back to the many-holes in the thin crust helps elucidate this.

sidharthabahadur · August 30, 2021, 11:17pm

@Soretna , or the Jansens were lucky to navigate "upstream" , through the estuary of some of the massive rivers of Hollow Earth (25 to 30 km wide) , described in the Smoky God .

Regards

Soretna · August 31, 2021, 1:01am

sidharthabahadur · August 31, 2021, 4:27am

Actually , when the Jansens were "picked up" by that ship of the (giant) Hollow Earthers , they weren't really in an ocean at that point in time...by the description given , it seemed more like a vast , inland riverine channel...

Regards

Soretna · August 31, 2021, 5:59am

They sailed for a while inside first and after landing on the shore saw the ship and were picked up (along with their ship). I was under the impression that it was along the sea shore of an ocean, but I suppose it would not be clear one way or the other for someone without additional aerial telemetry.

deandddd · September 3, 2021, 1:22am

Yes, Sidhartha,

I also had the impression that they were quite a ways upriver, but that it was wide, like the Chesapeake Bay, and separated the continents.

Olaf and his father were very, very lucky.

Cheers!