There are very tight controls on cave exploration. Going into the Mammoth Caves network tours is very interesting in terms of seeing just how much control exists.
Hmmm...."very tight controls on cave exploration" ??!! @Soretna , there you have it - a solid clue of something being hidden :))
Regards
Take a look at these "STATE CAVE PROTECTION LAWS (State-by-State)" (Archive.org, Archive.is).
@Keith you may want to perhaps note especially page 16 for Kentucky in that document.
Additionally, note how most of these laws seem to spring up around the 1980s.
@Soretna , this is quite an eye popping document ! Under the clever garb of "protecting the environment" & safety of the explorers , they've essentially made it unlawful to explore caves beyond a certain limit .
There are no similar stringent laws against , sky diving , bungee jumping , Scuba diving , paragliding and other adventure sports that are equally , if not more risky than cave exploration .
Regards
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I guess it depends on the location. Maybe they are hiding something. But other reasons include idiots wreaking the caves and litigation from other idiots who sue landowners or the state if they get hurt.
Some good news in New Mexico
People,
The article's sub title:
It seems like fans of conspiracy theories have received a new topic to discuss. Viewers have already suggested that the structure could be an entrance to “hollow earth” or a “military cover-up".
Dean
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If we are going to speak of caves and the underground dwellings of underground creatures, how can we forget Beowulf? We can't!
"Hrothgar, Beowulf, and their men track Grendel's mother to her lair under a lake. ... Beowulf jumps into the lake, and while harassed by water monsters gets to the bottom, where he finds a cavern. Grendel's mother pulls him in, and she and Beowulf engage in fierce combat."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/jyotisha.astrologiavedica/members/
And also:
You know, this tale seems to give us a genuine description of someunderground creatures. And they are not way down deep. This desrves some thoughtfulness on our part.
Dean
This is an old posting from my collection of old postings. It wasn’t mine, though. I don’t know who sent it.
Dean
”History of Cave Science, the Exploration and Study of Caves, to 1900"
by Trevor R. Shaw, Sydney Speleological Society, 1992
BUCHNER'S ACCOUNT OF THE BREITENWINNER CAVE IN 1535
REMARKABLE TIDINGS from the day of St. Peter and St. Paul in the
year 35!
Twenty-five citizens of the town of Amberg set off to a mountainous
area three
miles distant from Amberg. Near the village of Predenwind they went
into a
huge hollow mountain, about 900 Klafter [1700 m] deep, and walked
through to
the other side. The marvels they saw there have been written down by
Berthold
Buchner. The ignorant will not believe this story, the experienced
ones will not
think it possible. But we have seen it with our own eyes, and it is
the truth. - 1535
In the evening on the day of St. Peter and St. Paul the
abovementioned 25 men set off from
Amberg with a cart with ladders, materials for making fire,
stone-breaking tools, ropes, wine, bread,
and other items useful for such an undertaking. They went to the
market place of Hohenburg and
stayed overnight. Next day they started very early and at 5 am they
met at the entrance of the huge
mountain, and debated. Two of us were appointed leaders to whom we
others promised obedience,
etc. Then we got ready to go into the hole which is so wide that one
could turn a wagon of hay in it.
Each of us had to carry something: a piece of rope, a light,
lantems, pickaxe, wine, bread, etc. And
we sang cheerfully 'We are travelling in the name of God!'
One of the leaders went in first, the other leader brought up
the rear. He secured the entrance
with rope and marked it with signs to avert danger, because if we
should lose track of the ropes it would
have been impossible for us to get out again. After fastening the
ropes to a rock we descended 500
Klafter [950 m] deep. Four honest strong men were selected to keep
watch at the mouth of the
mountain cave. Very soon we arrived at a very narrow cleft. One of
our companions, a goldsmith,
who at home had desired to be the first one in the cave, was so
frightened by the sight of it that he
deserted us notwithstanding his promise. But we crept on our
stomachs some fifty Klafter [95 m]
through this narrow cleft. There was a wider opening next to it but
it did not stretch very far. First
of all we came upon a wide space like a hall for dancing. When we
crept in we found so many bones
that the first of us had to pile them up in one place to make room
for us to enter. The bones were very
large as if from giants.
We then reached a very narrow hole and had to squeeze through
on our stomachs. At 200
Klafter [380 m] one comes into what seems like a beautiful spacious
palace big enough to hold about
100 horses. It is lined at the top very handsomely with 'grown'
stones [speleothems]. There are eight
or ten 'grown' pillars and good seats at the sides. Here we found
two skulls which to our surprise were
enclosed by the rock, we could hardly hack them out with our tools.
Each person took a piece, one
the cranium, one the teeth, etc. There were many passages here and
everywhere in the mountain;
some of them we explored. All the caves and passages were full of
big bones. We searched for about
an hour for a hole leading further in. At last our leader found one
and we all followed him. The other
tunnels met now and then in the mountain. We were still amazed by
the sight of this palace.
After 150 Klafters [285 m] we came across a very narrow cave
and we had difficulty in
squeezing in. There we heard a strange roaring, crackling and
rustling, and more than one of us
wished he had stayed at home with his wife. Suddenly the cave
widened so that we could walk side
by side. We took counsel and decided to go on and find oat what
these wild sounds were. Our leader
went in front again, we following. We arrived at another wide space
which we examined carefully.
It looked like a chapterhouse, with pews on one wall and a gallery
overhead. It was difficult to get
up there and I stayed down below. In all the caves we found many
bones. We came to a narrow vault
where we found a skull bigger than we had ever seen before. When we
tried to squeeze it through
the narrow opening it crumbled like ashes. Through a narrow entrance
we got down further, about
200 Klafter [380 m] . There was more and more roaring and rustling
till we came upon a fairly wide
opening where an enormous waterfall was rushing down between two
rocks with such a force it would
have been sufficient to turn two mill wheels. The stream ran
downwards over the opening. we were
curious to know where this stream came from or find its spring, as
it was so icy cold, but we could
not follow it. Our leader got stuck there in a cave; he had to be
pulled out otherwise he would have
died. The same happened to me, and I felt very weak afterwards and
the apothecary gave me a
restorative.
Adjoining this wide cave was a handsome triangular vault.
There we found a stone sculpture.
It resembled a deity seated on a throne with a straw wreath on its
head. The straw was black and very
brittle. I and some others took some straw home.
We found another stone sculpture hanging from a high wall. We
left a light bunting in front
of it. At 200 Klafter [380 m] we found loose soil with a great many
bones.
We crept and walked on following the rope, and at 250 Klafter
[475 m] we came to a most
wonderful palace and tabernacle. On the other side, between the
south and west point, we found a
fountain with four stone ,pillars round it, and there seem to have
been seats there at one time. The
fountain was very cold. We hung our winebottles in it and the wine
was soon cooled.
While we refreshed ourselves at the fountain we heard a loud
noise in the cliff where the stream
ends. Our leader was bold enough to climb in but got stuck and
became drenched. When we came
to his rescue with fights, one of us, called Burckstaller, was
struck on the head, it could have damaged
one eye. We thought a female figure had been the thrower.
Burckstaller was very superstitious, so
perhaps it was a ghost. We did not see anything else.
It was very strange that the dripping water, which falls into
this mountain in 60 places, freezes
into a very hard even rock and into translucid stone. From some
caves white salt-like stuff trickles
out, it looks like glass and we took it to be saltpetre. In a cliff
of the rock one of our companions found
a strong grey curly hair which he assumed was from a beard. All of
us were curious to fred out more
about the 'ghost' and would have faced further adventures and
dangers. But we lost the passages and
caves where we saw the' ghost' and were forced to climb to the
surface with the rope and soon reached
daylight again. Just then a cuirasslet with two horses passed the
entrance of the cave and we called
to him to come in. But on seeing us he rode away hurriedly. We all
looked discoloured and were
terrified at each other' s appearance. We looked like corpses and
startled the guards at the entrance.
But thanks to God, nobody was hurt. Praise be to God now and for
ever. Amen.
This has been written down by Berthold Buchner, who took
part, and is attested by the Treasurer
of Areberg.
An excerpt from Chapter Nine of Alec Maclellan's book: The Lost World of Agharti
http://www.holloworbs.com/underground_brazil.htm
Dean
List Members,
Here is something very interesting about a tunnel complex below Lexington, Kentucky. It is from the David Hatcher Childress book Lost Cities of North and Central America, Pages 390 – 391. (If he or someone else that he knows has found them, how can they be lost?) Anyway, here it is …
“Jim Brandon, author of Weird America, says that a sizable complex of tunnels is supposed to lie somewhere beneath Lexington, Kentucky. According to Brandon, ‘G.W, Rankck relates in his 1872 History of Lexington that hunters from the pioneer settlement of Boonesborough in 1776 discovered rocks of peculiar workmanship with a tunnel behind them. Small at first, this portal eventually expanded into a sort of gallery, four foot wide and seven high that inclined sharply down into the rock. After a few hundred feet, the ramp led to a 300 foot long, 100 foot long chamber, and 18 feet high. Inside this lay idols, altars, and about 2,000 human mummies”.
“According to the legend, these catacombs were subsequently explored a number of times. In 1806, they were visited by Thomas Ashe, the Irish Travel writer. Eventually, the story goes, the entrance was lost as the city grew overhead …”
List Members,
We cannot inform ourselves and acquire background merely by reading snippets from the internet and viewing short videos. It is important to build up a library of hollow earth, inner worlds books, and absorb the research and findings of others.
Buy some books of the hollow earth and cavern worlds!
Dean
List Members,
I don't recall the source. Knock yourselves out.
Dean
BUCHNER'S ACCOUNT OF THE BREITENWINNER CAVE IN 1535
REMARKABLE TIDINGS from the day of St. Peter and St. Paul in the year 1535!
Twenty-five citizens of the town of Amberg set off to a mountainous area
three
miles distant from Amberg. Near the village of Predenwind they went into a
huge hollow mountain, about 900 Klafter [1700 m] deep, and walked through to
the other side. The marvels they saw there have been written down by
Berthold
Buchner. The ignorant will not believe this story, the experienced ones will
not
think it possible. But we have seen it with our own eyes, and it is the
truth. - 1535
In the evening on the day of St. Peter and St. Paul the abovementioned 25
men set off from
Amberg with a cart with ladders, materials for making fire, stone-breaking
tools, ropes, wine, bread,
and other items useful for such an undertaking. They went to the market
place of Hohenburg and
stayed overnight. Next day they started very early and at 5 am they met at
the entrance of the huge
mountain, and debated. Two of us were appointed leaders to whom we others
promised obedience,
etc. Then we got ready to go into the hole which is so wide that one could
turn a wagon of hay in it.
Each of us had to carry something: a piece of rope, a light, lantems,
pickaxe, wine, bread, etc. And
we sang cheerfully 'We are travelling in the name of God!'
One of the leaders went in first, the other leader brought up the rear. He
secured the entrance
with rope and marked it with signs to avert danger, because if we should
lose track of the ropes it would
have been impossible for us to get out again. After fastening the ropes to a
rock we descended 500
Klafter [950 m] deep. Four honest strong men were selected to keep watch at
the mouth of the
mountain cave. Very soon we arrived at a very narrow cleft. One of our
companions, a goldsmith,
who at home had desired to be the first one in the cave, was so frightened
by the sight of it that he
deserted us notwithstanding his promise. But we crept on our stomachs some
fifty Klafter [95 m]
through this narrow cleft. There was a wider opening next to it but it did
not stretch very far. First
of all we came upon a wide space like a hall for dancing. When we crept in
we found so many bones
that the first of us had to pile them up in one place to make room for us to
enter. The bones were very
large as if from giants.
We then reached a very narrow hole and had to squeeze through on our
stomachs. At 200
Klafter [380 m] one comes into what seems like a beautiful spacious palace
big enough to hold about
100 horses. It is lined at the top very handsomely with 'grown' stones
[speleothems]. There are eight
or ten 'grown' pillars and good seats at the sides. Here we found two skulls
which to our surprise were
enclosed by the rock, we could hardly hack them out with our tools. Each
person took a piece, one
the cranium, one the teeth, etc. There were many passages here and
everywhere in the mountain;
some of them we explored. All the caves and passages were full of big bones.
We searched for about
an hour for a hole leading further in. At last our leader found one and we
all followed him. The other
tunnels met now and then in the mountain. We were still amazed by the sight
of this palace.
After 150 Klafters [285 m] we came across a very narrow cave and we had
difficulty in
squeezing in. There we heard a strange roaring, crackling and rustling, and
more than one of us
wished he had stayed at home with his wife. Suddenly the cave widened so
that we could walk side
by side. We took counsel and decided to go on and find oat what these wild
sounds were. Our leader
went in front again, we following. We arrived at another wide space which we
examined carefully.
It looked like a chapterhouse, with pews on one wall and a gallery overhead.
It was difficult to get
up there and I stayed down below. In all the caves we found many bones. We
came to a narrow vault
where we found a skull bigger than we had ever seen before. When we tried to
squeeze it through
the narrow opening it crumbled like ashes. Through a narrow entrance we got
down further, about
200 Klafter [380 m] . There was more and more roaring and rustling till we
came upon a fairly wide
opening where an enormous waterfall was rushing down between two rocks with
such a force it would
have been sufficient to turn two mill wheels. The stream ran downwards over
the opening. we were
curious to know where this stream came from or find its spring, as it was so
icy cold, but we could
not follow it. Our leader got stuck there in a cave; he had to be pulled out
otherwise he would have
died. The same happened to me, and I felt very weak afterwards and the
apothecary gave me a
restorative.
Adjoining this wide cave was a handsome triangular vault. There we found a
stone sculpture.
It resembled a deity seated on a throne with a straw wreath on its head. The
straw was black and very
brittle. I and some others took some straw home.
We found another stone sculpture hanging from a high wall. We left a light
bunting in front
of it. At 200 Klafter [380 m] we found loose soil with a great many bones.
We crept and walked on following the rope, and at 250 Klafter [475 m] we
came to a most
wonderful palace and tabernacle. On the other side, between the south and
west point, we found a
fountain with four stone ,pillars round it, and there seem to have been
seats there at one time. The
fountain was very cold. We hung our winebottles in it and the wine was soon
cooled.
While we refreshed ourselves at the fountain we heard a loud noise in the
cliff where the stream
ends. Our leader was bold enough to climb in but got stuck and became
drenched. When we came
to his rescue with fights, one of us, called Burckstaller, was struck on the
head, it could have damaged
one eye. We thought a female figure had been the thrower. Burckstaller was
very superstitious, so
perhaps it was a ghost. We did not see anything else.
It was very strange that the dripping water, which falls into this mountain
in 60 places, freezes
into a very hard even rock and into translucid stone. From some caves white
salt-like stuff trickles
out, it looks like glass and we took it to be saltpetre. In a cliff of the
rock one of our companions found
a strong grey curly hair which he assumed was from a beard. All of us were
curious to fred out more
about the 'ghost' and would have faced further adventures and dangers. But
we lost the passages and
caves where we saw the' ghost' and were forced to climb to the surface with
the rope and soon reached
daylight again. Just then a cuirasslet with two horses passed the entrance
of the cave and we called
to him to come in. But on seeing us he rode away hurriedly. We all looked
discoloured and were
terrified at each other' s appearance. We looked like corpses and startled
the guards at the entrance.
But thanks to God, nobody was hurt. Praise be to God now and for ever. Amen.
This has been written down by Berthold Buchner, who took part, and is
attested by the Treasurer
of Areberg.
Die Breitenwinner Höhle http://members.aol.com/franzli2/bre.htm This site
can be translated using http://translator.dictionary.com/url.html and
selecting "German to English". It is a rough translation, but I did come up
with this interesting translation: "On the southern Frankenalb in Bavaria
there is an unusual cave, around which it became very quiet since the Second
World War. It is situated in the midst of the troop exercise area high rock
and is almost not not accessible therefore" "Only at very rare opportunities
that could be done, z:B. on the occasion of the federation conference of the
Germans excavate and Karstfor into Velburg 1976." I found this story in
History of Cave Science; The Exploration and Study of Limestone Caves, to
1900 by Trevor R. Shaw, Second Edition Published by the Sydney Speleological
Society, 1992. The call letters, here in the University of Arizona Library
are: "GB 601 A4 S54 1992 Science" (Science Library) It is interesting that
this cave appears to be almost "off limits" in a military training area.....
List Members,
Historical Evidence of Underground Cities in America
Very Nicely done. The interviewer is an achaeologist and the interviewee a researcher. They are centered around the Arizona area and the Grand Canyon, and make a nice presentation. It is informative and enjoyable.
I don't say such nice things about every video out there ...
Dean
People,
Right at 16:30 minutes, the interviewee tells that the artifacts found in the tunnels and cavern hall by Kincaid were all oriental and Buddhist, not Egyptian. This makes sense because the indians of that region, the Pueblo Indians, seem to be simply Tibetan. Their adobe houses are carbon copies of Tibetan dwellings, and there are examples of swasticas that are chiseled in the rocky hills of that region.
The Gavin Menzies books, Who Discovered America?, and the book 1421; shine much light on the Chinese presence along the West coast of the Americas.
Dean
And here is another informative and nicely done video on the underground worlds of the Utah area. It is by the same people as the video above.
Dean
People,
Dug by mega sloths ... give me a break!!!
These are tunnels that have been excavated.
Ancient Subterranean Tunnels Of South America
http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/Ancient%20Subterranean%20Tunnels%20of%20South%20America.pdf
Dean
DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS POST'S URL, THIS IS IT.
People,
Excavated by giant sloths ... give me a break!!!
But they were excavated, they aren’t natural caves.
Dean
People,
Do you see the symmetry of the opening of the first image at top? That is by design and intelligent contstruction, it has nothing to do with a ginat sloth that scratched its way through the rock to create a tunnel.
If we see artificial construction techniques that speak of advanced technology, such as at the nearby (relatively speaking) Machu Pichu, then why not in relation to these caves. And where are they ? How many ?
" There are now more than 1,500 known palaeoburrows that have been found in southern and southeastern Brazil alone, and there appear to be two different types: the smaller ones, that reach up to 1.5 metres in diameter; and the bigger ones, that can stretch up to 2 metres in height and 4 metres in width."
Could it be that there are downward extensions that have been walled up, or that exist below the cave floors ?
Dean
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