Tibetan Diagram of the Hollow Earth ?

Folks , a great article - well researched by David Pratt ! Both the Soviets and their arch rivals , the Nazis , had extracted clues to Hollow Earth from this Tibetan source back in the 1930s...

Tibetan diagram of the hollow earth?

As stated in Mysteries of the inner earth, part 4, section 2 (Shambhala and Agharta), the Tibetan diagram below, and the German and Russian versions of it, are among a large collection of documents that the Russian UFO Research Station (RUFORS) received from an anonymous source in 2008/2009. The material is full of wild and outlandish claims, and has attracted little interest outside conspiracist circles; most, if not all, of the documents are generally assumed to be forgeries.

The Tibetan diagram was allegedly obtained during a German expedition to Tibet in the 1930s. It was then translated into German, and both diagrams were later shared with a Soviet official named Savel’ev, who visited Germany in 1938. The two diagrams, together with two Russian versions, were appended to a report that was submitted to the Soviet authorities on 10 January 1939. Within days, a decision was supposedly made to organize a new Soviet expedition to Tibet under Savel’ev’s leadership (ancientscienceartifacts.org).

It’s not clear exactly when the Tibetan diagram is supposed to have been obtained. The documents imply that it was acquired during Ernst Schäfer’s five-man expedition to Tibet in the late 1930s, which was backed by the SS and the Ahnenerbe (a Nazi institute for studying the history of the Aryan race). However, that is impossible because the expedition lasted from April 1938 to August 1939 and the team didn’t reach Lhasa until 19 January 1939 – nine days after Savel’ev allegedly submitted his report. Schäfer, a zoologist, made two earlier expeditions, in 1931-32 (to Western China and Eastern Tibet) and in 1934-36 (to Eastern Tibet and China), but these expeditions were organized by the American Brooke Dolan II, and they did not visit Lhasa (info-buddhism.com).

At the top of the German diagram is the full name of the Ahnenerbe institute: Studiengesellschaft für Geistesurgeschichte, Deutsches Ahnenerbe (Study Society for Ancient Intellectual History, German Ancestral Heritage). This organization was founded in July 1935 and changed its name in 1937 to Forschungs- und Lehrgemeinschaft das Ahnenerbe (Ancestral Heritage Research and Teaching Community). Oddly, the Russian diagrams are dated ‘1939, Tibet, Lhasa’.

According to the ‘secret’ documents, the Nazis’ interest in Tibet was partly inspired by the results of an alleged Soviet expedition to Tibet in September 1925 led by Yakov Blumkin, a rather unsavoury Soviet agent. The 13th Dalai Lama is said to have received him in Lhasa in January 1926. After promising to provide military equipment and a loan, Blumkin was taken to subterranean chambers beneath the Potala Palace and shown, among other things, some ‘gigantic forceps’, over 10,000 years old, which when heated to an extremely high temperature, could turn gold into a powder that the rulers ate to extend their lives by hundreds of years (ancientscienceartifacts.org)! The Soviet authorities executed Blumkin in 1929 because he had visited Leon Trotsky in exile. According to one of the documents, however, he was executed because he had divulged information obtained in Tibet to the Germans.

Tibetan diagram

Click image to enlarge. (ancientscienceartifacts.org)

(hollowplanet.blogspot.nl)

German versions

Click image to enlarge. (atlasenigma.ru)

(atlasenigma.ru)

The black-and-white version of the German diagram is said to have been in circulation longer than the colour version. It differs from the colour version in several respects: some of the captions are at a different level in relation to the drawing; two sentences are missing (about the polar passages being hidden by ice); the drawing is the opposite way up in relation to the text; and the top right corner shows signs of ageing.

Russian version

Click image to enlarge. (ancientscienceartifacts.org)

English translation

The table below gives the translation of the Tibetan, German and Russian captions.The Tibetan has been transliterated and translated by David Reigle, who writes:

It is obviously written in comparatively recent Tibetan. For example, it gives what is apparently the name Australia in Tibetan transliteration: o so kro li ya. It also refers to positive electricity, pho glog, and negative electricity, mo glog. In older writings, glog means lightning. ...

The text on this diagram is obviously a blockprint. It is not handwritten. You can tell because it is slightly off center in relation to the red picture background, and it is dark like it should be in some places and too light in other places. This means that enough copies of this diagram were needed to warrant the carving of a woodblock from which to print them. (email, 25/03/16)

The table gives the translation of the individual Tibetan words (the numbering of the captions refers to the numbers in the diagram below the table). How the words hang together in the longer phrases (especially 2, 4, and 10) is somewhat unclear; they read more like cryptic notes. The captions could not have been written by simply looking up words in a dictionary; a good command of Tibetan was required.

| Tibetan + English | German + English | Russian + English |
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Reichsführer-SS [i.e. Heinrich Himmler]
Studiengesellschaft für Geistesurgeschichte, Deutsches Ahnenerbe
Study Society for Ancient Intellectual History, German Ancestral Heritage
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Schema der elektromagnetischen Gestalt der äußeren und inneren Erde.
Diagram of the electromagnetic structure of the outer and inner earth.
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РИС. № 4 СХЕМА ЭЛЕКТРОМАГНИТНОГО УСТРОЙСТВА ВНЕШНЕЙ И ВНУТРЕННЕЙ ЗЕМЛИ
Fig. 4 Diagram of the electromagnetic structure of the outer and inner earth
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[1] ’dzam gling byang mtha’
Jambu-dvipa [earth] north (byang) end (mtha’)
| Geographischer Nordpol
geographic north pole |
ГЕОГРАФИЧЕСКИЙ СЕВЕРНЫЙ ПОЛЮС
geographic north pole
|
| See [22] below. | | ВРАЩЕНИЕ ЗЕМЛИ ПРОИСХОДИТ ПРОТИВ ЧАС. СТРЕЛКИ
The Earth rotates counterclockwise |
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[2] ’dus mdo dang glog lho mtha’ o so kro li ya drod ’jam rlung
with (dang) the confluence (’dus mdo) the electric (glog) south end (lho mtha’) Australia (o so kro li ya) warm (drod ’jam) air (rlung)

[3] byang mtha’i gling ’gro sa khyags pa gi ’og la sbas
the north end (byang mtha’i) region (gling) passage (’gro sa) hidden (sbas) beneath (’og la) the ice (khyags pa gi)

[4] phyi’i drod tshad rje ba’i byed stangs ’ong
the outer (phyi’i) temperature (drod tshad) making exchange (rje ba’i byed) manner (stangs) comes (’ong).
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Fusion mit dem elektrischen Südpol, durch die australische Warmluft vollziehen sich die Prozesse des äußeren Wärmeaustauschs von Innen heraus.
Fusion with the electric south pole; through the Australian [southern?] warm air, external heat exchange processes take place from within outwards.

Die Passage wird durch das Eis der Arktis verdeckt.
The passage is concealed by the Arctic ice.
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ЗДЕСЬ ПРОИСХОДИТ СЛИЯНИЕ С ЭЛЕКТРИЧЕСКИМ ЮЖНЫМ ПОЛЮСОМ, АВСТРАЛИЙСК. ТЕПЛ. ВОЗДУХОМ, ПРОЦЕССЫ ВНЕШНЕГО ТЕПЛООБМЕНА ИЗНУТРИ
Here takes place fusion with the electric South Pole, Australian warm air, processes of external thermal transfer from within

(ПРОХОД СКРЫТ ПОДО ЛЬДАМИ – СЕВ. ПОЛЮСА) АРКТИКА
(The passage is hidden under the ice of the North Pole) the Arctic
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[5] rdo khab len gyi nus lho mtha’
south (lho) end (mtha’) magnetic (rdo khab len gyi) power (nus)

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magnetischer Südpol = magnetic south pole
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МАГНЕТИЧЕСКИЙ ЮЖНЫЙ ПОЛЮС
magnetic south pole
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[6] pho glog gi nub mtha’
west (nub) end (mtha’) of (gi) positive [male] (pho) electricity (glog)
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positiver elektrischer westlicher Pol
positive electric west pole
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ПОЛОЖИТ. ЭЛЕКТР. ЗАП. ПОЛЮС
positive electric west pole
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[7] mo glog gi shar mtha’
east (shar) end (mtha’) of (gi) negative [female] (mo) electricity (glog)
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negativer elektrischer östlicher Pol
negative electric east pole
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ОТРИЦАТ. ЭЛЕКТР. ВОСТ. ПОЛЮС
negative electric east pole
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[8] ’dzam gling lho mtha’
Jambu-dvipa [earth] south (lho) end (mtha’)

[this caption inadvertently repeats [11]; we would expect a statement about the north magnetic pole]

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Magnetischer Nordpol = magnetic north pole
| МАГНЕТИЧЕСКИЙ СЕВЕРНЫЙ ПОЛЮС
magnetic north pole |
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[9] lho mtha’i gling khyags pa gi ’gro sa ’og la sbas
the south end (lho mtha’i) region (gling) passage (’gro sa) hidden (sbas) beneath (’og la) the ice (khyags pa gi)

[10] rdo khab len gyi nus rjes dang byang mtha’
and (dang) by exchange (rjes)* the magnetic (rdo khab len gyi) power (nus) [becomes that of] the north end (byang mtha’)

[*rjes is interpreted here as the instrumental case of rje, a shortened form of rje ba (change, exchange); rjes can also mean: after, later, subsequent to]
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Die Passage wird durch das Eis des Südpols verdeckt.
The passage is concealed by the ice at the south pole.

Es vollzieht sich ein magnetischer Austausch zwischen dem Nordpol und dem Sudpol. Und die elektrischen Wasser- und Luftstrome sowie der elektrische Austausch vollziehen sich über den Südpol.
A magnetic exchange takes place between the north pole and the south pole. And the electric currents of water and air together with the electric exchange take place via the south pole.
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ЗДЕСЬ ПРОИСХОДИТ МАГНЕТИЧЕСКИЙ ОБМЕН С СЕВЕРНЫМ ПОЛЮСОМ, ВОДНО-ВОЗД. ЭЛЕКТРИЧЕСКИЕ ПОТОКИ И ПРОЦ / ЭЛЕКТРООБМЕНА ЧЕРЕЗ ЮЖН. ПОЛЮС.
Here occurs magnetic exchange with the North Pole, [flow] water-air electric currents, [take place] processes of electric exchange through the South Pole.

(ПРОХОД СКРЫТ ПОДО ЛЬДАМИ ЮЖН. ПОЛЮСА)
(The passage is hidden under the ice of the South Pole)

АНТАРКТИДА = Antarctica
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[11] ’dzam gling lho mtha’
Jambu-dvipa [earth] south (lho) end (mtha’)
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Geographischer Südpol
geographic south pole
| ГЕОГРАФИЧЕСКИЙ ЮЖНЫЙ ПОЛЮС
geographic south pole |
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[12] phyi’i rlung khams
outer (phyi’i) air (rlung) element (khams)
| | See the second Russian diagram below. |
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[13] & [14] lan tshwa’i chu = salt (lan tshwa’i) water (chu)

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Salzwasser = salt water
| СОЛЕНАЯ ВОДА = salt water |
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[15] & [17] me’i sa
fire-earth (literally, earth (sa) of fire (me’i))

[16] & [18] me’i drag rdo zhun ma
intensely burning (me’i drag) molten (zhun ma) rock (rdo)

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Feuerlava = fiery [molten] lava

Magma = magma
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ОГНЕННАЯ ЛАВА = fiery [molten] lava

ГОРЯЩАЯ ЗЕМЛЯ = burning earth
МАГМА = magma |
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[19] [nang]* gi rlung khams
inner (nang gi) air (rlung) element (khams)
[*almost illegible]
| | See the second Russian diagram below. |
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[20] & [21] gtsang chu
fresh (gtsang) water (chu)
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Süßwasser = fresh water
| ПРЕСНАЯ ВОДА = fresh water |
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[22] sa’i ’khor lo skor stangs g.yon skor ’ong
the manner (stangs) of rotation (skor) of the earth (sa’i) wheel (’khor lo) coming (’ong) around (skor) to the left (g.yon)

[23] ’khor lo skor stangs g.yas skor ’ong
the manner (stangs) of rotation (skor) of the wheel (’khor lo) coming (’ong) around (skor) to the right (g.yas)

[i.e. outer globe rotates anticlockwise, and inner globe clockwise]
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ВНУТРЕННЕЕ И МОЛОДОЕ СОЛНЦЕ
Inner and young sun

ВРАЩЕНИЕ ПРОИСХ. ПО ЧАС. СТР.
Rotation is clockwise
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| | | РИСУНОК И ПЕРЕВОД С ДРЕВНЕТИБЕТСКОГО МАНУСКРИПТА (1939 г., Тибет, Лхаса)
Figure and translation from an ancient Tibetan manuscript (1939, Tibet, Lhasa) |

Second Russian version

Click image to enlarge. (ancientscienceartifacts.org)

| Translation |
|
[…]ематическое устройство Земли, рис. с
[…]евнетибетского манускрипта

СЕВЕРНЫЙ ПОЛЮС

ВНЕШНЯЯ АТМОСФЕРА

КОНТИНЕНТЫ МОРЯ И ОКЕАНЫ

МАГМА

МАГМА – ЦЕНТР ГРАВИТАЦИИ

ВНУТРЕННЯЯ АТМОСФЕРА

внутр. уровень Земли

Внутреннее Солнце

ЮЖНЫЙ ПОЛЮС

магнитизм [should be: магнетизм] внутр. Земли

Тибет, Лхаса, 1939 г.

рис. № 3

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a sketch of the Earth structure, fig. from
an ancient Tibetan manuscript

North Pole

external atmosphere

continents, seas and oceans

magma

magma – the centre of gravitation

internal atmosphere

internal Earth level

Inner Sun

South Pole

magnetism of the inner Earth

Tibet, Lhasa, 1939

Fig. 3
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Assessment

The Tibetan diagram is of dubious provenance and it is impossible to confirm its authenticity. It is also impossible to say for certain whether the German/Russian captions are based on the Tibetan captions, or vice versa. The captions in the different versions are similar but not exact matches. Unlike the Tibetan and Russian versions, the German diagram does not mention the direction of rotation of the outer and inner globes. Nor does the German version label the outer and inner atmospheres, whereas the Tibetan diagram and second Russian diagram do. Only the Russian diagrams call the inner globe an ‘inner sun’.

The Tibetan diagram is clearly the most ornate. David Reigle points out that it is not a standard Buddhist mandala. The individual elements look like artistic flourishes and are unlike the things normally seen in mandalas. Mandalas usually have no openings at any of the four cardinal directions, and if they do have openings, there are four. Nothing resembling the diagram appears in any known Buddhist texts.

The German and Russian diagrams are stylistically simpler and very much alike. They use a very similar symbol (four times) between the five circles along the earth’s axis. This symbol is virtually identical to that used by the Ahnenerbe publishing company (Ahnenerbe-Stiftung-Verlag) in Nazi Germany (atlasenigma.ru).

Unlike the Tibetan diagram, the Russian and German diagrams add an outline of the polar ice, which extends over the rim of the openings. All the three main diagrams say that the northern and southern polar ‘passages’ are covered by ice, but none of the diagrams actually shows this. Unless the northern polar passage begins underwater, it would have to exist on either known polar land at some distance from the pole, or on unknown polar land that is being kept hidden by either a massive government coverup or by occult power.

The captions on all the three main diagrams speak of an exchange of air currents via the south pole, and the German and Russian diagrams also refer to an exchange of water currents. The diagrams do indeed show a large opening through which this could take place, but the captions say the opening is blocked by ice. The most peculiar caption is the one that speaks of ‘Australian warm air’; this most likely refers to air emerging from the southern opening, ‘from within outwards’, since australis means ‘southern’ in Latin. But why use the word ‘Australian’?

In any event, the polar regions are extremely cold and there is no evidenceof warmer air emerging from the earth’s interior, despite what some hollow-earthproponents have claimed in the past. As noted above, there is a – probably older – version of the German diagram which omits the sentences about the passages being hidden by ice. And this makes more sense since the diagrams actually show huge openings. However, the existence of such large holes is untenable unless we invoke a vast, worldwide, government/military coverup. It could be argued that the polar openings were not originally intended to represent physical holes; theosophical literature speaks of a circulation of ethereal energies through the earth, mainly from the north pole to the south pole (Solar and terrestrial magnetism).

The diagrams place the south magnetic pole at the north end of the earth, and vice versa. This is in line with modern science, which has long accepted that the magnetic pole near the north geographic pole has south magnetic polarity, otherwise the north pole of a compass would not be attracted by it (Theosophy and magnetism). The north and south magnetic poles are the points at which magnetic force lines converge or diverge. And the north and south geographic poles are the two ends of the earth’s spin axis. But the concept of western (positive) and eastern (negative) ‘electric poles’ – which all the diagrams refer to – seems completely meaningless. These two ‘electric poles’ of the rotating globe would actually form a complete circle.

There are three possibilities: either the Tibetan diagram in its entirety is a clever forgery; or it originally had no captions, and was later given – rightly or wrongly – a hollow-earth interpretation; or it is entirely authentic but contains several ‘blinds’.

David Pratt. April 2016.

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Sidhartha,
Just beautiful.
Too bad it all leaves us with no specific contacts.
Dean

According to the ‘secret’ documents, the Nazis’ interest in Tibet was partly inspired by the results of an alleged Soviet expedition to Tibet in September 1925 led by Yakov Blumkin, a rather unsavoury Soviet agent. The 13th Dalai Lama is said to have received him in Lhasa in January 1926. After promising to provide military equipment and a loan, Blumkin was taken to subterranean chambers beneath the Potala Palace and shown, among other things, some ‘gigantic forceps’, over 10,000 years old, which when heated to an extremely high temperature, could turn gold into a powder that the rulers ate to extend their lives by hundreds of years (ancientscienceartifacts..org)! The Soviet authorities executed Blumkin in 1929 because he had visited Leon Trotsky in exile. According to one of the documents, however, he was executed because he had divulged information obtained in Tibet to the Germans.
(hollowplanet..blogspot.nl)

Thanks Jim and Dean , I have a hunch that post the 1930s , the occurrence of an event like WW II caused most people to just lose interest in Hollow Earth research and it's been that way since...

Regards

deandddd wrote:

Sidhartha,

Sidhartha,

Another thing that happened post WWII is that TV became so prominent. It came into existence! And it has conditioned our understandings on life. I think that if a concept is not within the paradigm that we find on TV, then our mind subconsciously rejects it.

And NASA came into existence, and was quite projected through TV, too. NASA is the supreme guru on all astronomical and geophysical matters and, again, we reject what is not within that NASA paradigm.

Remember that the emperor has no clothes! If we accpet that NASA played us for believers and fools, and if we start picking away at the political and economic matrix, too, then we have to accept that we are the biggest jackasses since the dawn of time. Uneducated and stupid people never had a chance, but we swallowed all kinds of nonsense thinking that we were "Joe Rational" and "Jane Serious" and, if it turns out that the eccentric ones were right while we were brought up in the dark fed on mushrooms and became "straight Joes", then that would topple our egos too much and we end up in denial, like an ostrich with its head in the sand.

Churchill commented that sometimes a person will stumble over the truth, but that usually the person gets up and brushes himself or herself off and walks away as if nothing had ever happened.

Dean

This is indeed intriguing. I wish it was laid out a bit better, but this
merits some deep study.

There are some interesting patterns with both the US Civil War and World
Wars. I don't know if this is the place to discuss them, but the good guys
don't always win as we're lead to believe - "to the victors" and all that
rot. It is interesting to see common interests by groups that were in deep
ideological competition, but not strange to say the least given the
importance.

Soretna , you are spot on when you say - Hollow Earth research was a passion shared by bitter rivals like the Nazis and Soviets and that's quite weird .

I feel , the bigger coincidence was that only the totalitarian regimes seemed to be taking interest in finding a way to Hollow Earth and that brought some "infamy" to the quest for Hollow Earth , to the extent that when WW II ended , anyone taking too much interest in Hollow Earth would get viewed as a freak .
**There is a 3rd totalitarian regime that was deeply interested in gaining the keys to Hollow Earth - Maoist China . Make no mistake about it folks , China was aware of the mysteries in Tibet and was waiting for the right time to make a move . They usurped Tibet as soon as they were able to (1959) .

However , China's biggest frustration has been that they missed out on the "keys to the kingdom of Shambhala" because Dalai Lama is the only one who has full knowledge of those "keys" and he managed to escape and took asylum in India .

So we now have a very peculiar situation - the man who knows about the "keys" is banished from his own land and those who have usurped that land do not have access to the keys to the hidden kingdom...God has a strange sense of humour ! :))
Regards

deandddd wrote:

Sidhartha,

Sidhartha, hmm. I don't know with certainty that Germany was actually
totalitarian as we consider that regime today. I'm familiar with all of the
normal things that are taught in "history class", but I believe there are
an enormous number of inaccuracies now propagated for various reasons and
that things are not as black and white as most believe. I'm not here to say
"good" vs "bad" stuff, but I don't think totalitarian is a critical
ingredient, but rather that the Russians and Chinese learned something
profound by the efforts of the insightful Germans and didn't want to get
left behind.

Something that reinforces this to me is that I've also found out something
intriguing recently. I believe this corroborates some of this "ingenuity"
of the Germans. There was a genius that worked with Gauss back in the mid
1800s by the name of Wilhelm Eduard Weber. It turns out that he was a
contemporary (a little older) than James C. Maxwell who's considered the
father of electrical engineering. This fellow, seemingly roughly in
parallel and independently (perhaps comparable to Newton vs Leibniz),
figured out the same thing that Maxwell did, but in a different way and
those in the know are saying that you can distill out Maxwells equations
FROM Weber's work - thus it gives a DIFFERENT UNIQUE perspective of the
foundations of EE.

This is amazing because we lost an enormous amount of possibilities when
Heaviside came along and truncated Maxwells equations... This effectively
cut off our ability to understand spiritual things and the "electric
universe" from a scientific standpoint in the world at large. Well, Weber
was German and there was a lot of disdain for Germans even in the 1800s and
the English pride (arrogance) caused his work to be supplanted, even though
it was not actually disproven (and due to a flawed review of his work that
was actually wrong).

So the Germans maintained a great advantage due to the rest of the world's
self-destructive pride and I believe this deeper ability to understand
electricity and physics in general very likely helped lead to the
remarkable innovations that we're prone to discuss here from time to time.
The following 5 star review
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2427SB707LG72 for a book
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0792331370 we should probably all
should get is rather telling:

This is a much needed work on electromagnetism (EM). Could you imagine
that, after Hilbert's critical revision of Euclid's Elements, had Euclide's
work been banished and forgotten, and never re-edited, nor cited, excepting
the term "Euclidean space"? Happily, that didn't happen yet. However, the
monumental work of Weber on EM (partly in cooperation with Gauss) was fully
silenced, after a fruitful mixture of German academical blindness,
(Helmholz wrong critizism of Weber's force, accepted as a final verdict)
and anglo-saxon chauvinism, which converted Maxwell, at the height of
Victorian's empire, in a kind of electromagnetic Newton, even if only one
of the so called four "Maxwell's" laws is due (partly) to Maxwell:
Ampère-Maxwell law, (where Maxwell introduced the concept of displacement
current). While Maxwell's faith on aether's existence is not considered a
sin (since it helped him to predict the physical existence of
electromagnetic waves) Weber's full work has been plainly ignored, because
of some never fully explained weaknesses. Hence, his model for EM is never
mentioned, cited or referred to. An obscure exception, is maybe found in
the preface to the first edition of Panofsky-Phillips' Classical
Electricity and Magnetism: Second Edition (Dover Books on Physics)
https://www.amazon.com/Classical-Electricity-and-Magnetism-Second-Edition-Dover-Books-on-Physics/dp/0486439240/,
where we read: "The field formulation is preferred...despite the fact that
it is possible to formulate an entirely consistent electromagnetic theory
based on the delayed action-at-a-distance principle". Did P-P recognize
that Weber's theory is perfectly valid? As Assis points out, prior to his
book, the only ones where Weber's contributions were discussed, are J.
Maxwell's A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism, Vols. 1 and 2
https://www.amazon.com/A-Treatise-on-Electricity-and-Magnetism-Vols-1-and-2/dp/B001OF9PP6/
and
A. O'Rahilly's "Electromagnetics. A discussion of fundamentals", both works
re-edited by Dover.Assis' book is affordable, like a typical introduction
to classical EM, framed in classical vector calculus jargon (though, it is
a bit reiterative and schematic at places). It flows as a semi-historical
chronicle, keeping you interested and broading your vision of the subject,
dealing with several forgotten heroes of EM. Its leitmotiv is to show that
the four Maxwell laws can be deduced from Weber's force law (a vast
generalization of Coulomb law for charges at rest). The level of
mathematical rigour is acceptable (even better than most introductory books
on EM, for example Purcell's Berkeley Physics Course (v. 2)
https://www.amazon.com/Berkeley-Physics-Course-v-2/dp/0070664951/). But,
I've been unable to fully understand four important things in this book (I
don't blame the author!): 1. The place of Lorentz force with respect to
Weber's force. The book dedicates a full section to this... 2. The role of
displacement current in Weber's theory. 3. Electromagnetic waves in vacuum
in Weber's theory. 4. Why is it so hard to confirm Weber's force
experimentally? All in all, this book is very interesting and challenging.
IMHO, it should be read by every physics teacher and every physics amateur.
And it should be shelved in every public library. But, since Maxwell is
kinda God, I fear that Weber will remain in the dark, silenced and
dismissed forever, in spite of this excellent book. It should be necessary
a joint effort of many leading physicists and teachers to put Weber in its
right place (or at least, in a righter place).By the way, the price of this
book is absolutely crazy, and that's not the worse: bad binding, pages just
glued, and pre-LATeX production. Are Kluwer and Springer conspiring against
Weber too?Happily, there is a much cheaper modern book to learn about
Weber's theory: Junichiro Fukai's A Promenade Along Electrodynamics
https://www.amazon.com/A-Promenade-Along-Electrodynamics/dp/0971484511/.
Assis' book is more comprehensive and readable; a cheaper enlarged and
revised second edition would be much helpful to spread and understand
Weber's legacy.

Sidhartha,

I don't know about Dalai Lama being the only one with the keys. There is a huge cavern world below Tibet, and China has the high ground. If they know that it is there - and they do - they can get down there if they want to, and they can collapse it with an underground explosion. It is hard to fight upwards, but much easier to fight downwards. The high ground is a huge advantage.

One thing I truly believe is that the "prize" is the cavern worlds, and the surface population is being manipulated in order to carry out agendas in relation to the cavern worlds.

Dean

Dean , I actually meant the "keys" in a subtle sense - it could even be some mantras to access a hidden portal , some sort of levitation technique...something not in the purely physical/material sense . I am saying this in all seriousness , because the Dalai Lama is the name of the supreme monk amongst Tibetans . In every generation , there is just one who is imparted secret knowledge of the Kalachakra Tantra.

For the last 60 years , the current Dalai Lama , an exiled/deposed leader , has got disproportionate importance & respect from world leaders and celebrities . Why ?? Is it just out of the kindness of world leaders...I don't think so , there is something more to it . Else , there are so many exiled/deposed leaders in the world and nobody gives a damn about them . Just what is so special about the Dalai Lama ??

***The next logical question would be - if the current Dalai Lama already had this knowledge , then why didn't he himself access the kingdom of Shambhala prior to 1959 ?? Well , the answer is that Dalai Lama and the Tibetan monks believe it is their sacred duty to guard the portals to Shambhala from the outside world . Even at the risk of their own lives , they would not allow any incursions to that realm for "unholy purposes" .

As for the Chinese regime , of course , the world knows they believe that "political power flows from the barrel of a gun" . We can be sure that this totalitarian state known for it's aggressive military posture , would have used force to penetrate into the cavern worlds...but they probably know better than to do something that drastic . It would be like awakening a sleeping giant and unleashing God knows what onto the surface world . China would not want to face the wrath of that unknown power . For all you know , there are fire breathing dragons (described in Chinese mythology) sleeping in the cavern worlds below for thousands of years - just kidding :)) You never know what exactly lurks down there !

Another danger of a forced incursion into the cavern worlds below could be that whole of the Tibetan plateau (that's hollow beneath) , might just cave in and collapse into the void below...who knows what kind of global geological catastrophy such a hasty action might trigger ?

Regards

deandddd wrote:

Sidhartha,

I don't know about Dalai Lama being the only one with the keys. There is a huge cavern world below Tibet, and China has the high ground. If they know that it is there - and they do - they can get down there if they want to, and they can collapse it with an underground explosion. It is hard to fight upwards, but much easier to fight downwards. The high ground is a huge advantage.
One thing I truly believe is that the "prize" is the cavern worlds, and the surface population is being manipulated in order to carry out agendas in relation to the cavern worlds.
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Soretna , I wanted to respond separately to the very interesting comments you made regarding how Maxwell's equations could actually be a subset of Weber's work or that Maxwell's equations could be derived from Weber's framework .

Both Weber and later Maxwell's work , points in the same direction - the banishing of the ether from mainstream physics eliminted Scalar waves as well . This wrong turn taken by "modern science" has deprived humanity of incredible progress that is still within our reach - but only if we discard the "dogma" of science and reject blind faith in Einstein's equations .

Well , in this regard , I found a brilliant research article by one Goran Marjanovic - this is a must read for anyone wanting to know the truth about the existence of subtle forces & the ether , both of which are not acknowledged by the science establishment . The existing paradigm forces us to believe only in the existence of vector or transverse waves and not in the longitudinal waves that propagate through the ether , at many times the speed of light and transcending the barriers of time & space . The design & dimensions of ancient pyramids prove that our ancestors had the knowledge about this , but it was forgotten in later times...

“Pyramids and Scalar Waves”
First Global Pyramid Energy Conference, MAY 7-13, 2018, Visoko, BiH

Modern electromagnetism is based on James Clerk Maxwell's electromagnetic theory of light (1865) andHeinrich Rudolf Hertz's experiments who (1887) first conclusively proved the existence of the electromagneticwaves with his apparatus for generating and detecting radio waves.

The paper 'A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field' was published in the PhilosophicalTransaction of the Royal Society of London in1865. In it, Maxwell introduced the theory of an electromagneticfield. In his original mathematical equations given in form of quaternion’s, concerning electromagnetism, heestablished the theoretical existence of “Hertzian” electromagnetic waves but of a “Scalar” waves also.

***Unfortunately, after J.C. Maxwell death, considering that this mathematical form (Quaternions are hypercomplex numbers) is unnecessarily complicated ..., Oliver Heaviside, Josiah Willard Gibbs and Heinrich Hertz,grouped the initial Maxwell’s twenty equations together into a set of only four equations, via vector notation.This form is absolutely adequate for describing “Hertzian's”, so called “transverse vectorial”, waves - butequations in this form are not adequate for describing scalar waves that also are very significant constituentelements of the Nature - as modern research and measurements confirmed.

Dimensionality reduction and scalar value elimination from initial Maxwell's theory, considerablyweakened its "strength" and its “power of resolution" and significantly reduced possibility for a correcttheoretical analyze and description of the scalar waves.

Reduced version of Maxwell's theory, known variously as the Hertz–Heaviside equations and theMaxwell–Hertz equations, became universally known as “Maxwell's equations” - but we have to keep in mindthat “Maxwell's Equations” used today as a set of four partial differential equations using vector notation whichare taught in textbooks and universities as Maxwell's equations actually are not exactly the same as the oneswe owe Maxwell!

  1. Hertzian waves

From the aspect of this modern, “reduced”,version of Maxwell's theory, "Hertzian" waves assynchronized oscillations of the electric andmagnetic fields (“E” & “H”), that include radio waves,infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, X-rays, and gammarays and that propagate at the speed of lightthrough a vacuum. They enable us to listen theradio, watch television, communicate with mobilephones etc.

The oscillations of these two fields (electricand magnetic) are perpendicular to each other andperpendicular to the direction of energy and wavepropagation, forming a transverse wave - so thesewaves are called “transverse vectorial” waves andthey are being produced whenever chargedparticles are accelerated.

  1. Scalar waves

Unlike the transversal waves of electromagnetism, which move up and down perpendicularly tothe direction of propagation, longitudinal waves vibrate in the same line with its direction of propagation. So,scalar waves are conceived as longitudinal waves, as are sound waves. Sound waves are mechanical wavesand they demanded a material medium for its propagation. In the case of sound, these are the molecules of air.But considering electrodynamics scalar waves we have a great problem that modern science suppresses andbypasses - because in the case of electrodynamics longitudinal vibrations there are no appropriate medium forits propagation.

Next to transversal waves, the initial, quaternion, version of Maxwell's theory also predicted theexistence of longitudinal (scalar) waves whose propagation speed can not be limited and theoretically canreach an infinite high value.

Maxwell believed electromagnetic waves such as light are vibrations in the Ether. – He considered etheras a very rarefied and highly elastic substance formerly believed to permeate all space, including the intersticesbetween the particles of matter, and as a medium whose vibrations constituted light and other electromagneticradiation.

According to Ampère's law as modified by Maxwell: “a changing electric field will generate a changingmagnetic field all on its own. This would result in a changing electric field, which would result in a changingmagnetic field, and so on. Thus, electric charges did not have to flow or even to exist”.

So – Hertzian, transversal, vectorial EM waves does not need ponerable medium to propagate. Theirspropagation velocity is limited to the value of Maxwell’s constant that is equaled with measured velocity of light.

In that way the problem of "superlight speeds", which is threatened Einstein’s Theory of relativity to agreat extent, could be solved by "simplifying Maxwell's theory" and by extracting ether from science !

And so - after known Michelson–Morley experiment that was performed between April and July, 1887ether was expelled from science.

I am firmly convinced that the reason for the simplification of the original Maxwell theory and the etherejection from science can be deduced from the words of Nikola Tesla [1]:

“It is true,“ said Mr. Tesla, "that many scientific minds envisaged the theory of a gaseous ether, but itwas rejected again and again because in such a medium longitudinal waves would be propagated with infinitevelocity”, [1]

Regarding Tesla:

  • Ether is in fact a medium “a perfect fluid" that wets everything in which are immersed "independentcarriers". It behaves as a solid to light and is transparent to matter, while it's effects can be felt throughinertia.”[2],

  • "Light cannot be anything else but a longitudinal disturbance in the ether, involving alternatecompressions and rarefactions. In other words, light can be nothing else than a sound wave in the ether...”[1]

Scalar waves are not fully accepted by scientific audience. Still, according to the “Reduced version ofMaxwell's theory”, a scalar waves are hypothetical waves, which differ from the conventional electromagnetictransverse waves by one oscillation level parallel to the direction of propagation and they thus havecharacteristics of longitudinal waves. Technically speaking, scalar waves have magnitude but no direction,since they are imagined to be the result of two electromagnetic waves that are 180 degrees out of phase withone another, which leads to both signals being canceled out. This results in a kind of ‘pressure wave’.

By Tesla's definition Scalar waves are disturbances of the ether!

There are many definitions of "Scalar Wave" (in fact, longitudinal waves expressing a scalar potentialand alike ...). Yet - nobody of scientist did not ever mention their quantum carrier, which is the key phenomenonfor their propagation – unlike some unconventional researchers (e.g. A.Ohatrin – microleptons ...) and raretheories (e.g. Sankhya Karika – mulaprakriti ...) !?

Regarding some uncommon theories general properties of scalar waves include:

  • Travel faster than the speed of light.
  • Seem to transcend space and time.
  • Cause the molecular structure of water to become reordered.- Positively increase immune function.
  • They are involved in all formative processes in nature.
  1. Torsion waves

For the conventional scientific establishment a torsion waves are a feature of a pseudoscientific theory.For an unconventional scientific establishment, torsion waves are described by the theory of torsion fields alsocalled axion field, spin field, spinor field, and microlepton field that is a scientific concept loosely based onEinstein-Cartan theory and some unorthodox solutions of Maxwell's equations.

The torsion field concept was conceived in the Soviet Union by a group of great physicists in the 1980s.The group, led by Anatoly Akimov and Gennady Shipov, began the research as the state-sponsored Centerfor Nontraditional Technologies.

Torsion fields also have the important characteristic of being affected by the specific topology/geometryof macroscopic objects and biological fields - which is of great importance from the point of view of the study ofpyramidal structures and Tesla's technologies.

Torsion field emanations can travel at velocities high at least 10^9 times than the light; can interact withlaser beams (change frequency); affect biological processes; are being generated by melting or solidifyingsome materials; affect quartz crystals; affect some electronic components; can favorably change somebeverages; and have been noted to affect gravity.

Here are some properties of torsion fields:

  1. Like charges attract.
  2. The field can extend without loss.
  3. The fields cannot be screened.
  4. The group velocity is not less that 10^9 times the speed of light.5. All substances possess their own torsion field.
  5. The torsion field has memory.

Early theory indicated that torsion fields would be about 10^30 times weaker than the force of gravity.Later it was shown that this result was only for one type of static torsion field generated by spinning sourceswithout radiation. Now it has been shown that much larger torsion fields occur with dynamic torsion (spinningsource with emission). It was not until the 1980s that Russian scientists developed torsion field generators withthe resulting experimental work yielding many practical results. The concepts of the torsion fields are consistentwith Wheeler's estimation of the energy of the vacuum as being about 10^95 g/cm3. By comparison, thedensity of an atomic nuclei is about 10^14 g/cm3.

Fact that Torsion fields are about 10^70 times weaker than EM interaction - certainly is the main reasonfor our inability to detect and measure them. Yet – they greatly affect natural forms at the most elemental leveland theirs effect can be seen in forms of galaxies, leaves, flowers, snails, swirling shape of water which flowsdown, umbilical cord,...

  1. Nikola Tesla’s Non-Hertzian waves

In order to maintain the originality of Tesla's ideas, I quote several authentic statements by Nikola Tesla.

“I was very lucky to discover new and amazing phenomena, such as rotating magnetic field, glowingof wireless vacuum tubes and many other high frequency effects, which amazed the world, BUTWHAT IMPRESSED ME AS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN ANYTHING ELSE WAS THE DISCOVERYOF STATIONARY WAVES, to which I came in 1899, and which showed that that the whole planeton which we live, despite its incomprehensible size, could be made to response with vibration to thelowest whisper of human voice. ...”.[3]

”As a matter of fact, the earth, like everything else, is in a constant state of vibration. It is constantlycontracting and expanding.” [4]

  • “In essence, it is the circuit of very large self inductance and low resistance, for which constructionand method of excitation could be said to be DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to those of a typicaltransmitter for telegraphy using HERTZ or electromagnetic radiation." [5]

  • "It is too noted that the phenomenon here involved in the transmission of electrical energy is one ofTRUE CONDUCTION AND IS NOT TO BE CONFOUNDED WITH THE PHENOMENA OFELECTRICAL RADIATION which have heretofore been observed and which from the very natureand mode of propagation would render practically IMPOSSIBLE THE TRANSSMISION OF ANYAPPRECIABLE AMOUNT OF ENERGY TO SUCH DISTANCES as are of practical importance." [6]

  • " IT IS NECESSARY TO EMPLOY OSCILLATIONS IN WHICH THE RATE OF RADIATION OFENERGY INTO SPACE IN THE FORM OF HERTZIAN OR ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES IS VERYSMALL. [7]

  • By proper design and choice of wave lengths, YOU CAN ARRANGE IT SO THAT YOU GET, FORINSTANCE, 5 PERCENT IN THESE ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES AND 95 PERCENT IN THECURRENT THAT GOES THROUGH THE EARTH. THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING. [8]

From this quotes of Tesla’s authentic statements it is obvious that he does not work with the EM energyform vibrations he called “Hertzian” but with longitudinal electrodynamics vibrations he called “NonHertzian”.

From the aspect of EDQ Model [9] this means for me that Tesla does not work with the energy formdescribed as “Stable object of order k=8, whose quant carrier is photon, but with the energy fluctuations of orderk=9, I named “Tesla waves”. [10]

  1. Summing up

“Scalar waves” are just another name for the “Longitudinal waves” (require ponderable medium), that is forthe waves that, in contrast to the 'transverse-vectorial" waves, oscillate in the direction of theirs propagation.An example of this kind of waves, is sound e.g. - where air molecules vibrate in the direction of wavespropagation. But these are mechanical waves.

The same kind of vibration as sound wave, but of an “electric medium”, is the ElectrodynamicsLongitudinal wave, or Scalar Wave. Creation of Standing (or slowly moving) waves strikingly depends onpropagating medium properties, its geometry and structure, due to affirmative / destructive interferencemechanisms. The “Stationary waves“ or “Standing waves” was energy form noticed by Nikola Tesla on July 4,1900 in Colorado Springs, which were his greatest inspiration for future work ...

“Standing waves” are the basic constituent elements of the scalar field which, when they are manifestedin the vortex shape, form a torsional field or torsion wave.

“Torsion waves” are Longitudinal Electrodynamics vibrations with circular or elliptical polarization of field,that rotate (clockwise or counterclockwise) at a constant or changeable rate and intensity (static or dynamictorsion field) .

  1. N.Tesla’s Measurements and Visocica Hill & Rtanj mountain parameters

  2. “Tesla's prophecy ”, M.Matić, No Limit Books, page 143:

“Earths vibrations are periodical and last around 1 hour and 45 minutes : That is if I shake earth ,contraction wave goes trough her and comes back in 1 hour and 45 minutes ,but in state of expansion. Theearth is ,as everything else, in permanent state of vibrating. She is constantly contracting and expanding.’’

From the cited quote it follows that Mechanical wave of earths vibration has periodicity of 105 min. Wayto antipode (2Rz) and back (again 2Rz) equals to 4Rz which means that the way of mechanical wave , fromearths surface to its core, lasts quarter of entire time or 26,25 min = 1575 sec.

  1. “Tesla's prophecy”, M.Matić, No Limit Books, page 187:

’’Later that night the instrument started to work again and stopped alternately, in intervals of near halfan hour, although the sky had already cleared.’’

From the quote above It follows that the Stationary waves caused by the storm have periodicity ofapproximately 28 min = 1680 sec.

From 1: Tesla's measuring of mechanical standing wave time period = 1575 sec
From 2: Stationary waves caused by the storm have periodicity of approximately 28 min = 1680 sec.EDQ Model’s “time lateness” prediction of EM signals propagation = 1566 sec
EDQ Model Earth’s vibration periodicity = 1666.6 sec.

Acc to EDQ postulates, space and time are two completely equal but inverse categories so -multidimensional resonance imply spatially overlap, time synchronicity and coherence of both.

Obviously, analyzing nature, Nikola Tesla reach knowledge of ancients so great similarities betweenparameters of his famous “Magnifying transmitter” and real dimensions of Visočica hill, named “Pyramid of thesun”, and Rtanj mountain is not accidental:

Tesla's "Extra Coil“ wire length = 778 m; Sec.Coil = 801 m; 778 + 801 =1579 m!
Visocica virtual top = 782 m, 782*2 = 1564 m, Rtanj height = 1565 m !
Real height of Visocica Hill = 197 m, 197 *4 = 778 m. (The real height of Visocica ~ l / 4 value)

From this clearly follows that the key dimensions of “Visočica” and “Rtanj” are the “harmonics” ofthe length of the Tesla's famous Magnifying Transmitter coils and so – they are resonant to the Earth !

According to all my theoretical and practical researches, the knowledge of ancient civilizations largelyoutweighs our present knowledge. Nikola Tesla was one of the first scientists of this civilization who seriouslyapproached their knowledge and skills. [19]

His deep connection with Nature, dedication to his work, mental and physical constitution by which healready was "set up“ to communicate with the "general-cosmic fund of knowledge", summed up in the form of"collectively unconscious", "morphogenetic", or related subtle-energy field such as Akasha and the like, enabledhim to recognize the Principles of Nature, Creator, - and by the eternal reviewing theirs efficiency, have broughtto perfection - and "copy" some of them in his machines.

  1. Energetic phenomena research in “AP BPS”, Visoko, BiH

During energetic phenomena research in APBPS in September 2016 [11], drone aircraft and a speciallyadapted hardware/software solution was used for recording a spatial distribution of the electric field strengthabove the Pyramid of the Sun and other localities.

In the previous measurements, done in June 2016 [20], I showed that REALISTIC ARRANGEMENT ofobjects in AP BPS STRONGLY AGREE WITH PRINCIPLES of affirmative interference that is applied in theCONSTRUCTION of the so-called “YAGI” ANTENNA, which is used today for passive amplification EM radioand television SIGNALS. Considering that AP BPS is an "assembly" of 7 elements (see pic. below or [20]),EXACTLY ARRANGED IN SUCH A WAY THAT ALL THEIR MUTUAL DISTANCES ARE HARMONIZEDACCORDING TO THE PRINCIPLES FOR PASSIVE RESONATORS – i.e. amplifiers – CONSTRUCTION, andwhat's more - exactly for the frequency of 28 kHz that is the frequency of energetic beam that central object,Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun, "broadcast” - it is hard to believe that such objects configuration is accidental.

In the measurements report from September 2016 [11] IT IS showed that the spatial structure of theelectric field in the AP BPS is absolutely "non-standard" – but still is regularly structured (!) - and it is incomplete accordance with the wave mechanics rules that would be applied by some contemporarybroadcasting equipment expert, designer of the broadcasting system that would generate a same signal as it isdetected at the top of the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun, and that would constitute a same complex structure ofenergy fields that is detected in measurements performed.

Variable energy density expressed in the form of a variable electric field strength, of noticeableregularity, which grows with a height and then decline, in both - in the vertical and in the horizontal plane – byvalues synthesis gives the spatial energy distribution which has the shape of elongated ball, or "energeticellipsoid" in the certain space area above the top of appropriate facilities. EXACTLY SUCH "SPHERICAL"STRUCTURE OF ENERGY FIELDS with adequate regularity THAT IS DETECTED by measuring performed,INDICATES A SPATIAL STANDING WAVES EXISTENCE IN THE AP BPS. In the Nikola Tesla’ Non-Hertzianterminology the term of “Spatial (volumetric or cubical) Standing Wave” corresponds to the “Scalar Wave” term.

  1. Subtle Energy Forms of the EDQ Model

The EDQ Model [9] include ALL forms of existence, material - substantial & wave - (II and III quadrants) orspiritual nature (IV quadrant). It is more than interesting that the Model clearly points to the fact that these two"inverse-opposing" forms of the Reality are divided by a "Hyper dimensional equator" placed at a position of 1Hz - which corresponds to the frequency of the human heart! So - the cardio rhythm of human beings HAS theCENTRAL POSITION of the Total Reality, which contains and encompasses all levels of consciousness, that is,the COMPLETE MANIFESTATION made by Supreme Creator via the growth and development, evolution andinvolution, of the Eternal Oscillating Universe [13].

Subtly energy domain "Space-time-energy" in the area of the Macro (II quadrant) and the Micro World(III quadrant) is based and described with parameters defined by the EDQ model postulates exclusively on thebasis of relevant scientific data - all the way to the Planck values (length, mass, time [14]).

The sub-Planck region (IV quadrant) to which we attributed the spiritual aspect of reality is absolutelyimpossible to describe in the valid scientific theories.

The experimental reality of contemporary physics knows the part of Reality only to the level of photons -the last phenomenon in the field of quantum world that it can detect, and all other phenomena encompassed bythe term "Quantum Fields" [15] and related - have only theoretical character.

However, the observed regularities of detectable Reality, based on strictly scientific basics, gives us theright to "transfer" the identical principles and relations to this “Idea area”, which is described in a fairly detailedmanner on the basis of unconventional methods of research.

Given that "The future belongs to those who think above the current paradigm" [16], the "Stable Objects"domain of the EDQ Model above the quantum level 8 (photon) is filled with data based on the informationobtained by researching the awareness within the two esoteric practices that were most articulate in thedescription of the research results: Upanisade, known under the collective name Vedanta (Hinduism) andesoteric Christianity in the study of sculptural mysticism, simply called Daskalos (teacher). The completeconsensus of these traditions is evident in all their aspects, from the macrocosm, the structure of the Universe,to the microcosm, the structure of man's self, the human body, the human state of consciousness, and thehigher levels of consciousness. In the mentioned cosmogony, only "names" are different, but the meaning ofthe described phenomena is almost identical, indicating a very high probability of truthfulness of the revealedinsights.

Understanding and positioning of Cognition - the mental action or process of acquiring knowledgeand understanding through thought, experience, and the senses - which the EDQ Model offers us with thisapproach is truly unique.

It is more than interesting that the structure of the part of the Reality of "Hyper-space" (IV quadrant) fullycorresponds to the scientifically explored reality from the material domain Macro and the Micro World andrepresents some kind of its "projection" in the form of "inverse-opposing mirror images".

This fact allows us plenty of new insights and possible correlations between the spiritual - scientificallyundetectable - aspect of reality and material reality, since the EDQ Model describes them with the samescientifically relevant parameters: mass, diameter, frequency, wavelength ...

For this occasion, we emphasize something very important.

It is quite clear from the diagram shown above that the CENTRAL CREATION AREA, the quantizationlevel k = 9 by EDQM (the corresponding energy density, or “denzity” in the esoteric), belongs to theEMOTION or to the feeling as a man’s reaction to an event. According to the Christian cosmogony, this areabelongs to the "Psychic World" or "Astral Plan" by the Upanishad cosmogony. According to the EDQ Model,this is the area of Tesla's waves and Teslion as the "Stable Object" of the order k=9.

The first lower level of awareness, that is, the level of quantization k=8, is the "rough-material world"according to the Christian or "Physical world" of the Upanishad cosmogony. According to the EDQ Modelthere is "placed" a photon, quantum carrier of electromagnetic interaction, which really is "the limit" of thescientifically described and investigated material world. Particle-wave dualism, inherent to Photon is its maincharacteristic for at the same time it possesses the properties of elementary particles and waves. So it trulyrepresents the true boundary of "substance" - semi permanent level of the world we know. This domain in theesoteric area belongs to "SENSATION" as the basic mode of sensory communication with the physical plan.

The "Lower noetic world" in the Christian or "Mental world" of the Upanishad cosmogony is associatedwith the quantum level k=10 EDQM. In esoteric practice he includes a causal body that consists of abstractthoughts from the realm of real reality and a mental body emanated from imaginations and mental images. Theenergy flow that links this form of the energy of our being to the Reality is INTUITION. This form of"vehicle of the soul" through multilejered enrgy structure acts in the form of an impression that comes from thedeeper levels of the unconscious part of our psyche. Intuition goes beyond knowledge. It functions at the

level of the unconscious and connects us to the "other side" and the entities that "stay" there, i.e. with higherlevels of consciousness, that is, the phenomena of higher density, higher “level” and “quality” of vibrations,apropos - the way of existence, hence of the "stable objects" domain whose quantization level “k” is equal orgreater than 10.

The exclusivity and "power" of the EDQM can be illustrated by its agreement with the knowledge from anumber of different areas, and so with domain very important to us - our health and well-being.

Since the communication of our being on the physical plane is based on a sensory-material basis, it isquite logical that the greatest contribution to the improvement of the psychophysical state of a human’s rough-material body can be realized via phenomenon’s of the quantum level K=8 and "lower", that is, by photon,neutrino , electron, proton ..., in other words, by radio waves, light, gamma and X-rays, current ... which usuallyis applied already in the field of conventional medicine - but in complementary medicine treatment methods also(Schuman's resonance generators, bioelectric generators (zapper) ...). The most sophisticated and latestmethod in this segment is the so-called. "Informotherapy" based on the appropriate "carrier" (quantificationlevel) for the corresponding level of awareness and appropriate particle form (Cell, DNA ...).

The interaction on the astral plane, that is, the action on the astral energy component of the Being, takesplace at the quantum level K=9 - the area of the Tesla waves - which unambiguously indicates the extremelygreat significance of Tesla's technologies for the harmonization of our physical body and energy form ofcorresponding Causal/Mental structure of our being. So COMPLIANCE OF COSMOS, MAN AND CREATOR,that is, OVERALL MATERIALLY-SPIRITUAL MANIFESTATION is harmonized through the emotions - that is,according to the EDQM postulates, through the energy fluctuations of the quantum level K=9 – so via Teslioni.e. Tesla waves! [10]

As we already said: "Intuition is above knowledge". Each of our concerns in making important decisionsin all segments of life, including our health, can be overcome by "listening" to our own causative/mental entityand intuitive messages from higher "densities". According to the most intuitive genius of our civilization, NikolaTesla: " Far beyond the limit of perception of our senses the spirit still can guide us.". Yoga, meditation andpurification of the mind from thoughts is one of the best ways of our inner voice listening. The power of prayer,affirmation and visualization also can helps us to realize our desires and to proceed toward their fulfillmentbecause it is the same "path", course and direction of the " Absolute’s Self-realization", the Creator’s emanationby which the whole universe is constantly reviving via the manifestation of the “spiritual” into the infinite varietyof “material”, consistently changing the basic motif of the matrix of existence, striving to the perfection of its owncreation – the mirror image of Himself.

Likewise, staying in Nature, communication with plants and animals contributes to harmonization ones withthe closest environment and synchronization with related vibrations.

The structure of the "Stable Objects" of the EDQ Model in the diagram above, confirms the esotericteachings according to which: "Everything that exists on the physical plane actually comes from mental thoughtand images from the astral plan". So it is really important that we control our thoughts and emotions becausethey are "mirroring” from “down-right” to “up-left” placed entities - according to the course of "vibration growthand development" [17] - in this plan also, so psychic images are directly "projected" “here” and create ourreality.

And for the end - what is also of great interest to us is the issues of energy and cognition.

The answer to these questions was imposed through a multi-hour constructive exchange of my thoughtswith the great, holy man - Sunyogi Umasankar. [18]

THE FACT THAT THE EMOTIONS ARE LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL AREA OF ENTIREMANIFESTATION, POINTS US THAT THE ASTRAL PLAN IS OF EXTREME IMPORTANCE - BECAUSE
IT PRESENTS “THE GATE” AND ACTUALLY "THE BRIDGE" BETWEEN MATERIAL AND SPIRIT, as wellTHE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CREATION AND CREATOR!

Emotions - according to esoteric practice - or quantum level of order k=9, TESLA WAVES or TESLION astheirs corpuscular manifestations - according to the EDQ Model – is the KEY LINK OF MACRO I MICROCOSMOS WITH THEIRS SOURCE, enabling the "Eternal Harmonic Oscillations", "Brahma’s Breathing" (thetransformation of Purusha into Prakriti and vice versa) and thus the life of all constituent, manifested and non-manifested phenomenon’s of Reality. What is a most significant for humanity - emotions allow us to reach theCOSMIC ENERGY and COSMIC KNOWLEDGE - naturally under the condition that we are “set” on a “Nature’swavelength" and fully harmonised with Providence and Creator.

:smiling_face:

The fact that Nikola Tesla chose working frequency of 28 kHz for his controversial machine, the „WorldRadio Station” - "Wardenclyffe tower", he intended for the wireless transmission of energy absorbed from theSun, using the Earth as a resonator, speaks about the depth of his insights into the structure of Reality.

Information that the identical frequency was detected on the "Pyramid of the Sun" in Visoko (BiH), as well ason the Rtanj Mountain (SRB), points to the high level of knowledge of ancient civilizations that they obviouslyused to construct pyramidal structures and sacral objects in order to achieve easier and better contact with the"One Who Is", but also with oneself, with the "subconscious part" of himself, in order to harmonize the goals,intentions, desires and possibilities of all aspects of their complex beings and harmonize the appropriate"outwards" Scalar energy flows – “toward” the Cosmos, but also the "inward" Scalar energy flows, i.e. towardthe "Absolute self-awareness" or "Absolute reality" ...

Based on the reasons given in sections 4, 6, 7 and 8, it is quite doubtful that the pyramidalstructures of Visocica hill and Rtanj mountain are resonators harmonized with the Earth's vibrations,analogous to the N. Tesla principles, and represent passive amplifiers and filters of subtle energyflows of scalar form (or N.Tesla’s NonHertzian waves).

Belonging to the quantum levels 8, 9 and 10 according to EDQM, which on esotericinterpretations encompassed the physical, emotional and mental level of the subtle segments ofReality (beings) have a great influence to all aspects of humanity.

In short - the significance of further research of pyramidal structures, messages of ancientartifacts, and also of Tesla's work - can not be overemphasized.

  1. Conclusion

The synthesis of contemporary scientific knowledge, Tesla's technologies and ancient knowledge [12],would certainly contribute to the achievability of Tesla's unrealized projects, as well as a series of ideas that arecurrently in the field of science fiction such as the movement without inertia, levitation phenomena, thepossibilities of instant intergalactic communications and – certainly – well being and the prosperity of ourcivilization in all aspects of life.

Previous analysis has shown that research of the pyramidal structures energy phenomenology is ahuge contribution to this idea.

In Belgrade, May 18, 2018. Goran Marjanovic, B.Sc.

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ELECTROMAGNETISM AND TOPOGRAPHY OF THE BOSNIAN VALLEY OF THE PYRAMIDS

deandddd wrote:

Sidhartha,

I don't know about Dalai Lama being the only one with the keys. There is a huge cavern world below Tibet, and China has the high ground. If they know that it is there - and they do - they can get down there if they want to, and they can collapse it with an underground explosion. It is hard to fight upwards, but much easier to fight downwards. The high ground is a huge advantage.
One thing I truly believe is that the "prize" is the cavern worlds, and the surface population is being manipulated in order to carry out agendas in relation to the cavern worlds.
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Sidhartha,

You mentioned that “For the last 60 years, the current Dalai Lama , an exiled/deposed leader , has got disproportionate importance & respect from world leaders and celebrities”. It’s funny, but I never thought of it this way. Now that you mention it, this is a very big clue, very big.

I always that that he was just a “has-been” who got run off of his territory. But it shows that the Chinese are not friendly with the cavern worlds that exist below Tibet. The Chinese used to sit right next to MU, and seem to have some similarity in that the Mu culture that in between the South Indian and Kanya Kumara serpent worshippers and Venus/Daitya guru worshippers, and the Mayans of Guatemala who had the same religious system and spoke Tamil. So the Chinese must have been a part of that.

And below Tibet there is supposed to be some civilization related to Shambhala and the Vedic theocratic scheme.

And what did the Chinese do? They gave India a kick in the shins in 1962, and installed themselves on top of Tibet. This to me suggests that the serpent worshipping culture is menacing the vedic culture. Better stated, there are underground worlds below China and they are menacing the underground worlds below Tibet.

I always thought the underground worlds below Tibet would be very deep, not just below the plateau.

Dean

Dean , right through the 20th century and upto now , both Tibet and Afghanistan have been part of the "Great Game" played between the big world powers...
I've always suspected there is more to this than meets the eye (access to Hollow Earth) - else why would so many wars get fought over
two nations that are just cold , barren & desolate mountainous deserts ?? There are 3 things common to Tibet and Afghanistan besides the similarity in their terrains :

  1. The route to Indian subcontinent passes through their lands2. Both are situated along the ancient Silk Route3. Both these nations are dotted with tens of thousands of caves

Regards

deandddd wrote:

Sidhartha,

You mentioned that “For the last 60years, the current Dalai Lama , an exiled/deposed leader , has gotdisproportionate importance & respect from world leaders and celebrities”.It’s funny, but I never thought of it this way. Now that you mention it, thisis a very big clue, very big.

I always that that he was just a “has-been”who got run off of his territory. But it shows that the Chinese are notfriendly with the cavern worlds that exist below Tibet. The Chinese used to sitright next to MU, and seem to have some similarity in that the Mu culture thatin between the South Indian and Kanya Kumara serpent worshippers andVenus/Daitya guru worshippers, and the Mayans of Guatemala who had the samereligious system and spoke Tamil. So the Chinese must have been a part of that.

And below Tibet there is supposed tobe some civilization related to Shambhala and the Vedic theocratic scheme.

And what did the Chinese do? They gave India akick in the shins in 1962, and installed themselves on top of Tibet. This to mesuggests that the serpent worshipping culture is menacing the vedic culture. Betterstated, there are underground worlds below China and they are menacing theunderground worlds below Tibet.

I always thought the underground worlds below Tibetwould be very deep, not just below the plateau.

Dean

Sidhartha,

Your "three points in common" are nice points, for sure. I doubt that most Americans have any notion whatsoever about those three points. I'm sure that the vast majority of Americans don't realize that China cannot dominate Europe and the western world if it cannot control Tibet and Afghanistan. They have no idea that China has newish railroads from its interior right through Tibet to the western border of Tibet, wherefrom it has access to Afghanistan. And no idea at all that China backs and supports a small region of Afghani anti American, freedom fighters in N.E. Afghanishtan, in an area where access is difficult for the USA.

It is obvious that China wants to dominate the world, poreferably through commerce, but with a military to back it up. The Americans do, too, and the powers that be of the New World Order.

One prize are other cavern worlds in addition to the cavern worlds that China or the USA already dominate; or, better said, that already dominate China and the USA. Cavern worlds are paradise worlds compared to the surface.

Another prize might be that if the surface can unite under one banner, so to speak, and arm itself with hyper rapid, computerized weapons, and then cavern worlds within the crust could direct their armed surrogates and lackeys on the surface against the hollow earthers. After all, the ones that live within the crust are supposed to be reptile demons, right; and the hollow earthers desceendants of celestial culture.

This is probably a very long term goal. Consolidation could only be acheived through a series of world wars to prune the bushes and have them grow the way one wants them to.

Just my opinion.

Dean

Hi Dean, the three points, along with your comments, very interesting. Brenda.

Dean , Brenda , thanks for your really interesting comments...I had pointed out the 3 similarities between Tibet and Afghanistan , but there is a difference too and a major one at that :
The Tibetans are without doubt the most peaceful & peace loving people in the world , whereas the Afghans are THE most violent people in the world :)) The Afghans carry the bloodlines of every ancient clan of invaders one can think of - starting from the Persians , Greeks , Scythians , Huns , Mongols , Tatars & Turks . Ironically , Vedic culture and Buddhism had as much influence in ancient Afghanistan as it did in ancient Tibet (some of the largest & oldest Buddha statues in the world were built in Afghanistan)

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The Taliban has perfected the art of "cave warfare" and have somehow managed to survive both the Soviet as well as American expeditions (as also the British Expeditions in bygone times) . Much of 20th century geopolitics "The Great Game" in Asia was for control over these 2 hilly kingdoms - Tibet & Afghanistan .

Dean had once posted about a "giant" coming out of a cave in Afghanistan and attacking some U.S. soldiers . We had also discussed on this forum , how an ancient Vimana (UFO like) had been discovered in one of the numerous caves of Afghanistan - around the Hindu Kush mountains .
Regards

ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW wrote:

Sidhartha,

Your "three points in common" are nice points, for sure. I doubt that most Americans have any notion whatsoever about those three points. I'm sure that the vast majority of Americans don't realize that China cannot dominate Europe and the western world if it cannot control Tibet and Afghanistan. They have no idea that China has newish railroads from its interior right through Tibet to the western border of Tibet, wherefrom it has access to Afghanistan. And no idea at all that China backs and supports a small region of Afghani anti American, freedom fighters in N.E. Afghanishtan, in an area where access is difficult for the USA.
It is obvious that China wants to dominate the world, poreferably through commerce, but with a military to back it up. The Americans do, too, andthe powers that be of the New World Order.
One prize are other cavern worlds in addition to the cavern worlds that China or the USA already dominate; or, better said, that already dominate China and the USA. Cavern worlds are paradise worlds compared to the surface.
Another prize might be that if the surface can unite under one banner, so to speak, and arm itself with hyper rapid, computerized weapons, and then cavern worlds within the crust could direct their armed surrogates and lackeys on the surface against the hollow earthers. After all, the ones that live within the crust are supposed to be reptile demons, right; and the hollow earthers desceendants of celestial culture.
This is probably a very long term goal. Consolidation could only be acheived through a series of world wars to prune the bushes and have them grow the way one wants them to.
Just my opinion.
Dean

Sidhartha/Brenda,

Come to think of it, in the Bhagavad Gita story, the king opposite of Arjuna and Krishna was Dritarashtra and his sn Duryodhana. The wife of Dritarashtra was Gandhari, from the city of Gandhara; nowadays spelt with a "k". In other words, one a the few ladies directly involved with that Bhagavat Gita story was from Afghanishtan. Back then it was just a part of northern India.

Her son was Duryodhana, who directly fought against Krishna and Arjuna on the battlefield. He had been abducted by underworld demons and had notions put into his head.

http://www.holloworbs.com/abduction_of_duryodhana.htm http://www.holloworbs.com/abduction_of_duryodhana.htm

This war between the demons and the human Vedic warrior caste was also fought on the surface of other planets, and across the surface of the Earth, too, not just in India. We've seen images showing broken up crystal palaces on the surface of The Moon, and Mars has areas that look like abandoned, broken up cities, and not a soul moves on the surface of those planets where they are exposed. I imagine that there is life inside. In fact, judging from all the UFOs we see coming out of deep, dark craters on The Moon, they must live inside.

The struggle between these demon entities and the celestials has always gone one because it is depicted that way in the Sanskrit literature. So there is no reason to think that we haven't been subjected to such influences over the last few thousand years. And just as Duryodhana and his main people were possessed, our leaders are possessed, too.

This is why Bequer's story The White Doe has always fascinated me. All the components are there. It is fiction, of course.

Dean

Dean , I'm really impressed by your depth of understanding the Mahabharat...have seen few people outside India who understand it that well
Yes , kingdom of Gandhaar mentioned in Mahabharata is indeed Afghanistan of today - "Kandhar" city probably corresponds directly to it.

It was unusual even back then for a matrimonial alliance to be formed between a kingdom in the Indian hearltland (Hastinapur) and faraway Gandhaar...there were cultural differences between the two even in that era , which probably lead to a rift within the royal family of Hastinapur ultimately leading to a massive war .
To those who like watching the "Game of Thrones" - you will definitely find Mahabharata very , very interesting .
On a different note , there is a LOT of ancient Buddhist heritage in Afghanistan worth trying to save . Again , those interested , please highlight "Saving Mes Aynak" campaign online .

Mes Aynak is a 5,000 year old site on the outskirts of Kabul , the capital of Afghanistan . It has some of the oldest Buddhist statues and artefacts ever found . Unfortunately , Mes Aynak sits above a Copper deposit worth US$ 100 billion (probably the world's largest Copper lode) . China has signed a contract with the cash strapped government of Afghanistan to begin Copper mining at that site . They intend to blow up Mes Aynak with dynamite and begin their mining process soon...

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Sidhartha/Brenda,

Come to think of it, in the Bhagavad Gita story, the king opposite of Arjuna and Krishna was Dritarashtra and his sn Duryodhana. The wife of Dritarashtra was Gandhari, from the city of Gandhara; nowadays spelt with a "k". In other words, one a the few ladies directly involved with that Bhagavat Gita story was from Afghanishtan. Back then it was just a part of northern India.
Her son was Duryodhana, who directly fought against Krishna and Arjuna on the battlefield. He had been abducted by underworld demons and had notions put into his head.
http://www.holloworbs.com/abduction_of_duryodhana.htm

This war between the demons and the human Vedic warrior caste was also fought on the surface of other planets, and across the surface of the Earth, too, not just in India. We've seen images showing broken up crystal palaces on the surface of The Moon, and Mars has areas that look like abandoned, broken up cities, and not a soul moves on the surface of those planets where they are exposed. I imagine that there is life inside. In fact, judging from all the UFOs we see coming out of deep, dark craters on The Moon, they must live inside.
The struggle between these demon entities and the celestials has always gone one because it is depicted that way in the Sanskrit literature. So there is no reason to think that we haven't been subjected to such influences over the last few thousand years. And just as Duryodhana and his main people were possessed, our leaders are possessed, too.
This is why Bequer's story The White Doe has always fascinated me. All the components are there. It is fiction, of course.
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Sidhartha,

I read the Motilal Banarsidas edition of The Mahabharat once. And I read the Bhagavat Purana and I hear recorded lectures on the Bhagavat by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, so I get a lot of perspective.

Speaking of the Mahabharat, the Abduction of Duryodhana suggests that when Duryadhana was abducted by the demons, these were demons from other planetary systems below the orbital plane of the Earth.

http://www.holloworbs.com/abduction_of_duryodhana.htm http://www.holloworbs.com/abduction_of_duryodhana.htm

This is a very shocking concept, to tell the truth. It means that our struggle isnot just planetary, or on a solar system scale. There is an even bigger picture.

As I understand things, The Sun is shooting through the galaxy surrounded by the planets, and it is passing through a stretch where the demoniac worlds are, putting us within their reach, and farther and father away from the celstials/Devas. And that this has been the case since the Kaliyuga began. On our side, we have only the Sun itself to protect us, and the hollow populations from some of the planets. As Kaliyuga progresses, the demons become stronger and stronger.

It's like living in East Germany during communism. You're one of the good guys, but you are on the wrong side of the fence. And up the wrong creek without a paddle. (Shit's Creek!)

Leave it to the Chinese to blast Buddha. I am so sorry. You preach non violence, ahimsa, and they blow up your statue!

Dean

Dean , you are spot on with these observations on Mahabharata .

While it's disturbing to note how the Chinese intend to blow up Mes Aynak - I find it even more disturbing that NOT A SINGLE main stream media outlet thinks this is even worth reporting ! What is our world coming to - have we forgotten to value our heritage ??
It is not a mere coincidence that this 5,000 year old settlement sits above the world's largest copper lode...the inhabitants were actively mining copper 5,000 years ago ! Guess what - Copper + Tin = Bronze , therefore this site of Mes Aynak was probably the world's leading supplier of metal for the Bronze age .
Not just that , Mes Aynak , is located exactly at the center of the ancient silk route , barely a few hundred km from the sites of the Indus Valley Civilisation - the Kabul river being one of the tributaries of the Indus river . It would be foolish to think this was not a cultural continuum .The deepest layers of the Mes Aynak haven't even been excavated yet - in all likelihood that would give some evidence of the Vedic era with the upper layers representing the Buddhist culture of later times .

The oldest statues of Buddha invariably depict him as being blue-eyed...the implication of this is that Buddha probably originated from that very region where maximum number of his statues are being found...Buddha was NOT born in Nepal , that's a fake theory . Sir Aurel Stein the most famous archaeologist ever , probably came closest to identifying the actual land of Buddha's origin .

The present Dalai Lama of Tibet is the successor of that lineage (of knowledge) if not the ethnicity of Buddha...sadly , given the situation , it looks quite likely that the current incumbent will be THE last Dalai Lama this world gets !

Regards

Sidhartha,

If they blow up Mes Anyak, will they at least examine the deeper layers first?

I imagine the Chinese don't mind covering up evidence of an extensive, vedic past. They have a lot of influence in the USA and someone is changing the culture there, wholesale.

Dean