This is from the Hidden Neighbors section of Mike Mott's book

"Similarly the sorcerer Merlin, himself said to be the half-human result of
the union of an underworld being and a mortal woman, covered Uther Pendragon
with the likeness of his enemy Gorlois, Duke of Cornwall, so that he might
impregnate his rival's wife Ygraine and produce the child which would become
Arthur, the mythical king of Britain. Uther wanted pleasure; Merlin had an
agenda of his own. It's meaningful that Merlin's father was said to have
been an incubus, or a demon/underworld entity capable of having intercourse
with human women and impregnating them. Merlin had to bring together the
desired genetic partners, and this seems to have been simply underworld
manipulation of human history and politics as usual, as far as subterranean
interference in human affairs go."

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This theme of manipulation of the surface world is not something new.

The Bhagavad Gita was spoken to Arjuna on a battlefield. The ensuing battle,
which Arjuna had tried to avoid, is said by the Hindus to have wiped out the
administrative/military population of the planet, It was certainly manipulated
by underworld beings, if not from the inner shell of this planet, then from
what are described in the Vedic literature as the lower planetary systems.
Here is a description of Duryodhana's manipulation, he was the enemy of
Arjuna and Arjuna's brothers, jointly known as the Pandavas:

Here is an account from the Mahabharat about the aduction of Durydhana:

"Although sexual attraction seems to play a role in both modern and Vedic
abduction stories, there may also be other motivating factors. The abduction
of King Duryodhana in the Mahabharata is an example in which the underlying
motives involved politics and military strategy.

King Duryodhana once had an encounter with some Gandharvas, who had cordoned
off an area around a lake for recreational purposes and had blocked
Duryodhana's army from entering. When Duryodhana tried to enter anyway, a
fierce battle took place, and he was captured by the Gandharva forces. At
this point, Arjuna, who was staying nearby, used his political connections
with the Ganharvas to free Duryodhana. Arjuna and his brothers had been
driven into exile by Duryodhana, but Arjuna intervened to save him from the
Ganharvas on the grounds that he was a relative and a human being.

Duryodhana was humiliated by being saved by a person he had scorned and
mistreated as an enemy, and he decided to give up everything and fast unto
death. However, it seems that some other parties had long-standing plans for
Duryodhana, and they weren't at all pleased by this turn of events:
'Thereupon the Daityas and Danavas, hearing of his decision, the gruesome
denizens of the nether world who had been defeated by the gods, now, in the
knowledge that Duryodhana would wreak their party, performed a sacrificial
rite in order to summon him.'

With mantras, the Danavas summoned a 'wonderous woman with a gaping mouth,'
and asked her to fetch Duryodhana. This woman was a Kritya, a type of
demoniac being, and she was able to transport the king by mystical travel:
'Kritya gave her promise and went forth and in a twinkling of the eye went
to King Duryodhana. She took the king and entered the nether world and a
little while afterward handed him over to the Danavas.'

The "Nether World" that Thompson is thinking of is not exactly the region
beneath the surface of the Earth. According to the Vedic literature, there
are three regions known as Svarga, or heaven. These are delineated in
relation to the ecliptic, or the orbital path of the Sun [Zodiac] against the
background of fixed stars. There is Divya-svarga, (divine heaven ), the
region of the heavens to the North of the ecliptic. Bhauma-svarga
(earthly heaven), in roughly the plane of the ecliptic;and Bila-svarga
(subterranean heaven), to the South of the ecliptic. The Bhauma-svarga
is sometimes referred to as Bhu-mandala, and it is the "flat Earth"
mentioned previously ( see pages 215 - 216 ).

... The nether regions can also be entered by taking the Pitr-Jana path,
which is said in the Vishnu Purana to begin near the constellations Scorpio
and Sagittarius and extend to the South in the direction of the star Agastya
or Canopus. This is described in more detail in Chapter 7 ( page 281 of
Alien ID).

Once Duryodhana was in the presence of the Danavas, they explained to him
that his presence on Earth was arranged in advance as part of their plan.
His great bodily strength and his near immunity to weapons were arranged by
their manipulations. He therefore shouldn't spoil everything by taking his
life. Danavas and Daityas, taking birth as Earthly heroes, would assist him
in his battle with the Pandavas. The Danavas also pointed out that they
would use mind control to make sure that this battle would have the desired
outcome:

'The other Asuras will take possession of Bhishma, Drona, Kripa and the
others; and possessed by them they will fight your enemies ruthlessly. When
they engage in battle, best of the Kurus, they will give no quarter to
either sons or brothers, parents or relatives, students or kinsmen, the
young or the old. Pitiless, possessed by the Danavas, their inner souls
overwhelmed, they will battle their relations and cast all love far off.
Gleefully, their minds darkened, the tiger-like men, befuddled with
ignorance by a fate set by the Ordainer, will say to one another that - '
you will not escape from me with your life! ' Standing firm in their manly
might in the unleashing of manifold weapons, best of the Kurus, they will
boastfully perpetrate a holocost.'

If this wasn't enough, the Danavas also explained that the hero Karna and
the " Sworn Warriors "(a band of demons) would slay Arjuna. After
convincing Duryodhana that he would be victorious, the Danavas arranged for
his return:

'The same Kritya brought the strong armed man back when he was dismissed,
to the very spot where he had been fasting unto death. Kritya put the hero
down, saluted him, and when the king had dismised her, vanished then and
there.

After she was gone, King Duryodhana thought that it had all been a dream,
Bharata, and he was left with this thought: I shall vanquish the Pandus in
battle.'

This story from the Mahabharat has a number of features that are seen in UFO
abduction accounts. These include:

  1. A strange being takes Duryodhana bodily to another location, where he has
    a meeting with other stange beings.
  2. Mystical or higher-dimensional transport is used.
  3. The strange beings have human form, but look " gruesome." Certainly they
    are " aliens."
  4. These beings have been guiding Duryodhana's life from the very beginning.
  5. They designed his body so that he would be impervious to weapons. Thus
    they apparently engaged in genetic manipulations, or something similar.
  6. The aliens were planning to manipulate human beings through mind control.
  7. After his interview, Duryodhana returned to the spot where he was taken,
    and after settling him down, his captor disappeared.
    After the experience, it seemed to be a dream.
    There are accounts in the UFO literature which parallel the story of
    Duryodhana."

Again, a reference to flat earth.

I have always had a strong conviction in the subterranean worlds. I strongly favored the hollow planets theory.

But the geometry of this world is undeniable. When taken the much larger dimensions of this world as a plane, where the lines of latitude keep getting bigger south of the equator, the subterranean area is much larger than within a much more finite and limited ball shaped model.

My telling about the hollow earth is more clear to me as the subterranean worlds. I find it much more consistent with the evidence. Also, not finding any conflicts in any major historic culture's ancient literature.

Gerry

Flat earth ideology is a distraction perpetrated by some very insidious
efforts to push folks away from the hollow planet theory. It is very
upsetting to me to see the success of the effort so far in that we're just
losing additional attention to help push forward the actual truth. I've
reviewed the flat earth concepts over the course of a few years and I have
come to this conclusion.

Soretna,

It is not insidious to discuss reality. If you have really looked into the geometry of this world, and concluded you live on a spinning ball in a vacuum, then do not try an impress anyone with claims of objectivity.

Facts are facts. False teachings and mind control are what we were raised on. A person must learn the difference between a belief with emotional attachment and experiments which are repeatable, used to demonstrate what is this reality we live in.

I will not go so far as to accuse you of being an insidious purveyor of false propaganda. Lack of objectivity does not mean bad intent.

Basic experiment:

Four cannons together face each of the four cardinal directions, North, South, East & West.
Each is shot. The projectiles travel the same distance and time and in a straight line along their latitude and longitude.

If the ground was spinning 1000 miles an hour at the equator, the projectiles shot to the north and south would fall to the west, the projectile shot to the east would travel the farthest and the projectile shot to the west would land the shortest distance away. As this does not happen, it proves the land is not moving to the east.

Rotation and curvature are not taken into account when designing or using ballistic weapons.

This is just one of many proofs.

Thus, the subterranean worlds are vastly larger than supposed with the dis-proven spinning ball in a vacuum theory.

Gerry

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 2:51 AM, Gerry Carton [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Soretna,

I also believe that the flat earth theory is has been put out there so that the HET can be grouped in with crackpot theories and lose prestige.

Anyone can just look at the Moon and see it is round.

I just take it like water off a duck's back.

Dean

Gerry, I think a lot of your assumptions about my assumptions are just as
they are: assumptions. I definitely have some different perspectives on
what you're saying based on my studies of advanced topics in physics. I
also believe that you may want to look more closely into the hollow planet
theory itself as some of what you're saying clearly indicates that you
might be off base in your understanding thereof.

I'm certainly not here to argue, but to get to the truth of nature and
existence. As I said, I have studied more than you believe I have regarding
the flat earth theory and I find it to be full of holes and a much inferior
fit to reality. Believe as you like, but I'm not finding truth in it and
nature itself does not testify to the validity thereof and rejects this
likeness of a flat planet. Remember that we need to look for simplicity in
theory because, in practice, existence must be simple and self organizing.

It's good to think, but it's bad to be caught up in distractions. Look at
Google Trends and tell me you don't think this is a severe distraction
presently. It's actually sickening to see the differential and attention
that is being pulled into this proverbial black hole. (And just because
something get's attention does not witness in any way to its validity.)

Yes Dean, you're right. I just hate to see folks go down dead ends when
they have so many other things right. Physics frequently falls victim to
this same paradigm vortex. I am, though, going to stop at this point as I
don't have time to debate in these less fruitful discussions.

Soretna & Dean,

The balls on a pool table are spherical, but that does not define the table.

The moon is circular, but may also be more of a disc shape than a sphere based on the shape of the shadow moving across it surface during an eclipse. The moon generates its own light with very different properties from sunlight or reflected sunlight. The eclipse itself proves a third body rotating over the surface world, the Egyptians called it Rahu. Eclipses where the sun and moon are in the sky at the same time dis-prove conclusively the theory of the shadow being caused by the planet earth between the sun and moon.

The often debunked and proven false crackpot theory of a ball spinning in a vacuum put out by the Jesuits and Masons is part of a Satanic mind control agenda. All other major civilizations in history have described the geometry of this worlds surface as flat.

You can have all the emotional attachment to the great delusion you want, enjoy the fantasy. There is actually no factual proof of the bullshit theory! Math is not proof as it is an abstraction of reality. The surface world may be mapped as a sphere, square, cube, etc, it is all just math. The actual geometry is easy to demonstrate in repeatable experiments.

There is a great deal of proof an documentary evidence, throughout history and cultures for subterranean civilizations.

This is not dis-info, it is fact. The bogus ball in a vacuum has NO PROOF!

Saying that you believed the lies and bullshit you were taught is not poof by the way. Neither is "my mommy told me, so it's true".

Ball Earthers need to wake up and learn the meaning of objective analysis. I have designed and engineered very complex data systems. I have been billed out at $140 / hour to perform Objective Analysis. My systems work because the design was based on solid reasoning and logic. You may take that into consideration before dissing me instead of making a logical proof or argument.

Gerry

Not so. You ought to read about really ancient civilizations, not just "major" ones which are relatively recent.

And just who popularized and canonized the flat earth theory? Wasn't it the Catholic church? Not a great track record there, and arguably a lot worse than the groups you mention.

There is no factual proof of yours, either. The most convincing arguments from flat-earthers are just thought-experiments. At the end of the day, the only person who can prove they're right is someone who can ascend high enough above the earth to see what shape it actually is. The only organizations capable of doing that right now are NASA and their ilk. Obviously, they're untrustworthy as all hell, but the point is that neither of us really have empirical proof.

The real question in hollow-earth vs. flat-earth is, "how does physics really work?" In order to find the answer to that question, you have to dig much deeper than a few shallow thought-experiments. You need to think about a much bigger picture.

Nobody said that it was. There are many other facts and models of reality which prove that the earth is not flat. On the same note, thought-experiments are also just an abstraction of reality but you flat-earthers rely on them an awful lot.

Yes, but not for the flat earth.

I don't think many people here buy into the "vacuum" idea that you're railing against. Indeed, the concept of a "vacuum" is ill-understood by all mainstream physics. "Vacuums" don't seem to actually exist. I think that most or many people here believe that.

Nobody here said those things. Although, it was a common mantra during the time wherein the flat earth was widely accepted. In fact, if you did not recite this mantra the Catholics would often have some nasty consequences in store for you.

Most people understand the meaning of that phrase. You seem to have your own interpretation of it.

That does not prove that you're smart; that proves that someone thought you were smart. By this logic, should we listen to Tom Hanks? He makes buckets of money more than that and people seem to think he's smart and successful.

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Keen remarks Ephraimite, but I did want to clarify that the Jesuits are a
part of the Catholic church - although they are essentially a different
church within that church. Rather confusing...

Basically certain orders or sects are given a stamp of approval (or
blessing) by their pope to carry out their own different religious and
social traditions. The Jesuits, in this case, happened to get one of its
members into the Catholic papacy and boom, they were good to go.

They are a VERY powerful sect within the Catholic church and do have a very
"Interesting" history. At any rate, you're not directly wrong in separating
them from the Catholic church, but it's something you kind of have to be
aware of because they're still part of the behemoth conglomerate Catholic
church even though they march to the beat of their own drum and initiatives.

They most definitely are very involved in some of the more "Interesting"
topics that are discussed behind closed doors and in back room circles.

Not so. You ought to read about really ancient civilizations, not just
And just who popularized and canonized the flat earth theory? Wasn't it
That does not prove that you're smart; that proves that someone thought you

Gerry,

What kind of logic is that?????

Dean

Thanks for the clarification, Soretna. I must admit that I'm rusty on the structure of the Catholic church. My point was that the Catholics would punish people severely for questioning the shape of the earth, even though many previous scientists and philosophers had proven beyond doubt that the earth is not flat. The idea that the earth is flat used to be treated as dogma and as superstition until certain things happened that made it no longer a profitable or viable teaching. The powers that be found other ways to control how people viewed the world.

Now they're resurrecting this long-dead idea in order to distract people from the real truth, as you said in earlier posts. Divide and conquer...

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That does not prove that you're smart; that proves that someone thought you were smart. By this logic, should we listen to Tom Hanks? He makes buckets of money more than that and people seem to think he's smart and successful.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐On July 27, 2018 1:46 PM, Gerry Carton [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote: