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Here is a recent news article (4-16-13), regarding the question, did Admiral Byrd really fly over the North Pole? Or did he fall short, as this new research suggests that he did?
Kathy
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/admiral-byrd-north-pole-flight-130416.htm
quote:
But from 1926 onward, not everyone thought that Byrd and Bennett actually made it to the North Pole. The controversy largely rested on whether the plane could have covered the distance in just 15 hours and 44 minutes, as the team recorded, when the flight was expected to take about 18 hours, given the ground speed of the aircraft.
Gerald Newsom, professor emeritus of astronomy at Ohio State, took up the issue when Raimund Goerler, a now-retired archivist at Ohio State, stumbled upon a book with handwritten notes from Byrd's North Pole trip (as well as other excursions) that the Byrd family had given the university at the naming of the university's Byrd Polar Research Center. Goerler turned to Newsom, who taught celestial navigation, for help in interpreting Byrd's navigation notes.
Newsom's research, published in the January 2013 issue of the journal Polar Record, suggests that Byrd fell short of his North Pole goal by as much as 80 miles (130 kilometers), though Newsom doesn't ascribe any nefarious goals to the misreckoning. It could merely be that Byrd was dealing with much less sophisticated equipment than airplanes have today and the task of calculating his position every few minutes for the entire flight.
I did some research on this subject a few years ago, and found to my personal satisfaction that Byrd probably did NOT make it to the North Pole as reported in history books.
Aside from the near impossibility that he traveled so far in such a very slow plane under the most severe weather conditions within the time frame, I have an old book titled Oceans, Poles, and Airmen in which it is reported that Floyd Bennett (Byrd's co pilot), later stated publicly on several occasions that they did NOT make it to the pole!
I'm leaving for an Asian trip in a few minutes or I'd find the references for you. But I think you can find things about Floyd Bennett regarding this if you search around on the internet perhaps.
It was also reported that Byrd may not have always been the squeaky clean person that has been constructed before our eyes. Especially in his younger, agressive, carreer-building days. That is, he was definitely in the race for the fame and fortune.
Also remember that that his flight was reportedly financed by wealthy industrialists. The same sweet people who control our media today...
I'd give better references, but I really have to leave.
This is an interesting subject to research... ; )
Best to all,
BK
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From: Kathy <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 7:30 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not?
Here is a recent news article (4-16-13), regarding the question, did
Admiral Byrd really fly over the North Pole? Or did he fall short, as
this new research suggests that he did?
Kathy
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/admiral-byrd-north-pole-flight-130416.htm
quote:
But from 1926 onward, not everyone thought that Byrd and Bennett
actually made it to the North Pole. The controversy largely rested on
whether the plane could have covered the distance in just 15 hours and
44 minutes, as the team recorded, when the flight was expected to take
about 18 hours, given the ground speed of the aircraft.
Gerald Newsom, professor emeritus of astronomy at Ohio State, took up
the issue when Raimund Goerler, a now-retired archivist at Ohio State,
stumbled upon a book with handwritten notes from Byrd's North Pole trip
(as well as other excursions) that the Byrd family had given the
university at the naming of the university's Byrd Polar Research Center.
Goerler turned to Newsom, who taught celestial navigation, for help in
interpreting Byrd's navigation notes.
Newsom's research, published in the January 2013 issue of the journal
Polar Record, suggests that Byrd fell short of his North Pole goal by as
much as 80 miles (130 kilometers), though Newsom doesn't ascribe any
nefarious goals to the misreckoning. It could merely be that Byrd was
dealing with much less sophisticated equipment than airplanes have today
and the task of calculating his position every few minutes for the
entire flight.
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Kathy,
It seems that Byrd fell short of the Pole because he covered too much ground too quickly, the time factor wouldn't have allowed him to make it there and back.
But this is the same phenomenon that occurred to the explorer Cook and Admiral Peary, i.e., the inward curvature encountered as they approached to opening gave the illusion of having quickly reached the polar axis.
Curvature anomalies: Curvature_Anomalies
Dean
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--- In [email protected], Kathy <getnews1@...> wrote:
Here is a recent news article (4-16-13), regarding the question, did
Admiral Byrd really fly over the North Pole? Or did he fall short, as
this new research suggests that he did?
Kathyhttp://news.discovery.com/adventure/admiral-byrd-north-pole-flight-130416.htm
quote:
But from 1926 onward, not everyone thought that Byrd and Bennett
actually made it to the North Pole. The controversy largely rested on
whether the plane could have covered the distance in just 15 hours and
44 minutes, as the team recorded, when the flight was expected to take
about 18 hours, given the ground speed of the aircraft.Gerald Newsom, professor emeritus of astronomy at Ohio State, took up
the issue when Raimund Goerler, a now-retired archivist at Ohio State,
stumbled upon a book with handwritten notes from Byrd's North Pole trip
(as well as other excursions) that the Byrd family had given the
university at the naming of the university's Byrd Polar Research Center.
Goerler turned to Newsom, who taught celestial navigation, for help in
interpreting Byrd's navigation notes.Newsom's research, published in the January 2013 issue of the journal
Polar Record, suggests that Byrd fell short of his North Pole goal by as
much as 80 miles (130 kilometers), though Newsom doesn't ascribe any
nefarious goals to the misreckoning. It could merely be that Byrd was
dealing with much less sophisticated equipment than airplanes have today
and the task of calculating his position every few minutes for the
entire flight.
BK,
Please excuse me for always being a pest, but how can you make a statement about a slow aircraft making a speedy round trip to the supposed Pole, or not truly making it, without taking curvature anomalies into consideration:
http://www.holloworbs.com/Curvature_Anomalies.htm
I say "supposed" Pole because the actual pole is in the middle of space within the neck of the opening. When explorers reach a point on the inward sloping side that places the Pole Star above their heads, they erroneously imagine that they have reached the Pole.
Dean
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--- In [email protected], BK <bk8driver@...> wrote:
I did some research on this subject a few years ago, and found to my personal satisfaction that Byrd probably did NOT make it to the North Pole as reported in history books.
Aside from the near impossibility that he traveled so far in such a very slow plane under the most severe weather conditions within the time frame, I have an old book titled Oceans, Poles, and Airmen in which it is reported that Floyd Bennett (Byrd's co pilot), later stated publicly on several occasions that they did NOT make it to the pole!
I'm leaving for an Asian trip in a few minutes or I'd find the references for you. But I think you can find things about Floyd Bennett regarding this if you search around on the internet perhaps.
It was also reported that Byrd may not have always been the squeaky clean person that has been constructed before our eyes. Especially in his younger, agressive, carreer-building days. That is, he was definitely in the race for the fame and fortune.
Also remember that that his flight was reportedly financed by wealthy industrialists. The same sweet people who control our media today...
I'd give better references, but I really have to leave.
This is an interesting subject to research... ; )Best to all,
BK________________________________
From: Kathy <getnews1@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 7:30 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not?Â
Here is a recent news article (4-16-13), regarding the question, did
Admiral Byrd really fly over the North Pole? Or did he fall short, as
this new research suggests that he did?
Kathyhttp://news.discovery.com/adventure/admiral-byrd-north-pole-flight-130416.htm
quote:
But from 1926 onward, not everyone thought that Byrd and Bennett
actually made it to the North Pole. The controversy largely rested on
whether the plane could have covered the distance in just 15 hours and
44 minutes, as the team recorded, when the flight was expected to take
about 18 hours, given the ground speed of the aircraft.Gerald Newsom, professor emeritus of astronomy at Ohio State, took up
the issue when Raimund Goerler, a now-retired archivist at Ohio State,
stumbled upon a book with handwritten notes from Byrd's North Pole trip
(as well as other excursions) that the Byrd family had given the
university at the naming of the university's Byrd Polar Research Center.
Goerler turned to Newsom, who taught celestial navigation, for help in
interpreting Byrd's navigation notes.Newsom's research, published in the January 2013 issue of the journal
Polar Record, suggests that Byrd fell short of his North Pole goal by as
much as 80 miles (130 kilometers), though Newsom doesn't ascribe any
nefarious goals to the misreckoning. It could merely be that Byrd was
dealing with much less sophisticated equipment than airplanes have today
and the task of calculating his position every few minutes for the
entire flight.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sure Dean,
Was mainly pointing out that even his co pilot essentially stated publicly they 'did not make it on' several occasions. I believe he even stated essentially that they just 'flew around in a big circle until the time was about right and returned' but please don't pin me on that quote... I'll try to dig the qoutes out and source them when I'm back in the office. And of course, the curvature would have indicated a premature arrival if they had actually gotten that near to the opening.
The plane was probably only flying about 70 -75 knots, which isn't much faster than minimum take-off speed for a Cesna 172! I personally believe there has been a lot of misstatements (intentionla or not) about the pole discovery in general and due to fact that it is actually in the middle of space, that's certainly not surprising 
And... please... Always be a pest To question and re-examine is a GOOD thing!
BK
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________________________________
From: Dean D <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 7:05 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not?
BK,
Please excuse me for always being a pest, but how can you make a statement about a slow aircraft making a speedy round trip to the supposed Pole, or not truly making it, without taking curvature anomalies into consideration:
http://www.holloworbs.com/Curvature_Anomalies.htm
I say "supposed" Pole because the actual pole is in the middle of space within the neck of the opening. When explorers reach a point on the inward sloping side that places the Pole Star above their heads, they erroneously imagine that they have reached the Pole.
Dean
--- In [email protected], BK <bk8driver@...> wrote:
I did some research on this subject a few years ago, and found to my personal satisfaction that Byrd probably did NOT make it to the North Pole as reported in history books.
Aside from the near impossibility that he traveled so far in such a very slow plane under the most severe weather conditions within the time frame, I have an old book titled Oceans, Poles, and Airmen in which it is reported that Floyd Bennett (Byrd's co pilot), later stated publicly on several occasions that they did NOT make it to the pole!
I'm leaving for an Asian trip in a few minutes or I'd find the references for you. But I think you can find things about Floyd Bennett regarding this if you search around on the internet perhaps.
It was also reported that Byrd may not have always been the squeaky clean person that has been constructed before our eyes. Especially in his younger, agressive, carreer-building days. That is, he was definitely in the race for the fame and fortune.
Also remember that that his flight was reportedly financed by wealthy industrialists. The same sweet people who control our media today...
I'd give better references, but I really have to leave.
This is an interesting subject to research... ; )Best to all,
BK________________________________
From: Kathy <getnews1@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 7:30 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not?Â
Here is a recent news article (4-16-13), regarding the question, did
Admiral Byrd really fly over the North Pole? Or did he fall short, as
this new research suggests that he did?
Kathyhttp://news.discovery.com/adventure/admiral-byrd-north-pole-flight-130416.htm
quote:
But from 1926 onward, not everyone thought that Byrd and Bennett
actually made it to the North Pole. The controversy largely rested on
whether the plane could have covered the distance in just 15 hours and
44 minutes, as the team recorded, when the flight was expected to take
about 18 hours, given the ground speed of the aircraft.Gerald Newsom, professor emeritus of astronomy at Ohio State, took up
the issue when Raimund Goerler, a now-retired archivist at Ohio State,
stumbled upon a book with handwritten notes from Byrd's North Pole trip
(as well as other excursions) that the Byrd family had given the
university at the naming of the university's Byrd Polar Research Center.
Goerler turned to Newsom, who taught celestial navigation, for help in
interpreting Byrd's navigation notes.Newsom's research, published in the January 2013 issue of the journal
Polar Record, suggests that Byrd fell short of his North Pole goal by as
much as 80 miles (130 kilometers), though Newsom doesn't ascribe any
nefarious goals to the misreckoning. It could merely be that Byrd was
dealing with much less sophisticated equipment than airplanes have today
and the task of calculating his position every few minutes for the
entire flight.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I choose to believe our north polar opening
was achieved and someone strongly requested
Floyd Bennett (Byrd's co pilot), to voice a
denial whenever opportunities were available.
i suspect ice conditions around the opening
and light eminations have not changed over
the past hundred years.
love - jim
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From: BK <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not?
Sure Dean,
Was mainly pointing out that even his co pilot essentially stated publicly they 'did not make it on' several occasions. I believe he even stated essentially that they just 'flew around in a big circle until the time was about right and returned' but please don't pin me on that quote... I'll try to dig the qoutes out and source them when I'm back in the office. And of course, the curvature would have indicated a premature arrival if they had actually gotten that near to the opening.
The plane was probably only flying about 70 -75 knots, which isn't much faster than minimum take-off speed for a Cesna 172! I personally believe there has been a lot of misstatements (intentionla or not) about the pole discovery in general and due to fact that it is actually in the middle of space, that's certainly not surprising 
And... please... Always be a pest To question and re-examine is a GOOD thing!
BK
________________________________
From: Dean D <mailto:silopanna%40uol.com.br>
To: mailto:allplanets-hollow%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 7:05 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not?
BK,
Please excuse me for always being a pest, but how can you make a statement about a slow aircraft making a speedy round trip to the supposed Pole, or not truly making it, without taking curvature anomalies into consideration:
I say "supposed" Pole because the actual pole is in the middle of space within the neck of the opening. When explorers reach a point on the inward sloping side that places the Pole Star above their heads, they erroneously imagine that they have reached the Pole.
Dean
--- In mailto:allplanets-hollow%40yahoogroups.com, BK <bk8driver@...> wrote:
I did some research on this subject a few years ago, and found to my personal satisfaction that Byrd probably did NOT make it to the North Pole as reported in history books.
Aside from the near impossibility that he traveled so far in such a very slow plane under the most severe weather conditions within the time frame, I have an old book titled Oceans, Poles, and Airmen in which it is reported that Floyd Bennett (Byrd's co pilot), later stated publicly on several occasions that they did NOT make it to the pole!
I'm leaving for an Asian trip in a few minutes or I'd find the references for you. But I think you can find things about Floyd Bennett regarding this if you search around on the internet perhaps.
It was also reported that Byrd may not have always been the squeaky clean person that has been constructed before our eyes. Especially in his younger, agressive, carreer-building days. That is, he was definitely in the race for the fame and fortune.
Also remember that that his flight was reportedly financed by wealthy industrialists. The same sweet people who control our media today...
I'd give better references, but I really have to leave.
This is an interesting subject to research... ; )Best to all,
BK====================================
From: Kathy <getnews1@...>
To: mailto:allplanets-hollow%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 7:30 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Did Admiral Byrd Fly Over the North Pole or Not?Here is a recent news article (4-16-13), regarding the question, did
Admiral Byrd really fly over the North Pole? Or did he fall short, as
this new research suggests that he did?
Kathyhttp://news.discovery.com/adventure/admiral-byrd-north-pole-flight-130416.htm
quote:
But from 1926 onward, not everyone thought that Byrd and Bennett
actually made it to the North Pole. The controversy largely rested on
whether the plane could have covered the distance in just 15 hours and
44 minutes, as the team recorded, when the flight was expected to take
about 18 hours, given the ground speed of the aircraft.Gerald Newsom, professor emeritus of astronomy at Ohio State, took up
the issue when Raimund Goerler, a now-retired archivist at Ohio State,
stumbled upon a book with handwritten notes from Byrd's North Pole trip
(as well as other excursions) that the Byrd family had given the
university at the naming of the university's Byrd Polar Research Center.
Goerler turned to Newsom, who taught celestial navigation, for help in
interpreting Byrd's navigation notes.Newsom's research, published in the January 2013 issue of the journal
Polar Record, suggests that Byrd fell short of his North Pole goal by as
much as 80 miles (130 kilometers), though Newsom doesn't ascribe any
nefarious goals to the misreckoning. It could merely be that Byrd was
dealing with much less sophisticated equipment than airplanes have today
and the task of calculating his position every few minutes for the
entire flight.
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