Accounts from different people seem to indicate that a hollow
interior may in fact be occupied by a variety of nations and types
of beings. This is also borne out by folklore. Some may be quite
friendly, and other inimical to surface humanity.
This same topic about guns came up on Jan Lamprecht's
hollowearth list back in 1999. The rationale is really quite
simple: Polar bears, killer whales, giant feral felines, wolves,
hyenadons, smilodons, and a variety of other predatory creatures
are DEADLY. They don't care about your personal vibrations,
non-meat-eating philosophies, current state of enlightenment, or
karmic state. To them, you are a large monkey with extra nutritive
value. In addition to unexpected encounters with hungry beasts,
one must mention potential encounters (inside or out) with
primitive headhunters, religious fantatics, secret society
saboteurs, operatives of hostile governments, cannibals,
barbarians, or people who may just not want their happy little
corner of reality discovered or revealed to the nations "out here."
This all aside from any "friendlies" who may or may not be there.
A medium or large-calibre handgun, and perhaps a carbine rifle
(some nice 9mm models, fairly lightweight, exist, and could
share ammo with the pistols) would be a wise addition on an
expedition of this type. Don't leave home without it, but hope that
you aren't picked up for some sort of "illegal firearm" transport
violation by a hostile government or their armed forces. And I'm
not just talking about the U.S.A., I'm thinking more about those
jumpy and suspicious communists and pretend-we're-not-still
communists whose territories so closely approach the region.
Go armed if you go, it's just common sense. But go cautiously.
Polar or Kodiac bear? .338 Winchester minimum. .300 Winchester for the
brave. 30-06 for those live on adrenaline rushes.
.223-- a mousegun for bear? I don't think so.
A pistol? ROFL!
I've had brown and black bears on my porch.
They die easy. Not griz. They hunt YOU! A griz sow mauled a dude up by my
cousins place even after the guide put 2 rounds in her at close range with a
.300 Winchester. They were hunting elk.
She then ran 150 yards to some brush where she died.
I think the perfect Kodiak rifle is a .338 Lapua built by Dakota Arms.
Kirk in central Montana.
Frei, Blake wrote:
Well said, Mike.
Blake
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The only difference is the Kodiac are raised on salmon and are much larger
due to excellent nutrition. Genetically the same old ursa horribilis.
They can put your whole head in their mouth and pop it like a grape.
You aren't worth much after that. Need a head to function.
Mean fails to describe them. It is the literal truth when I say they will
hunt you.
Some folks found out the hard way by trailing a griz. It walked around
behind them.
They will also hide and rush you when close.
Stay out of brush (any dense vegetation)if griz are around.
Women during that time of the month will draw them for miles.
I am VERY opposed to reintroducing them in lower 48. They are killing
machines.
Kirk
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Why would you want to shoot a majestic creature like a grizzly bear? Unless
it was threatening your life! If they are encroaching on human habitations
it's because their own enviroment or food sources are diminishing. But then,
I'm not into blood-sports in North London. Cave bears in the hollow earth
are gigantic, you'd need a bazooka to kill them. Hazel
Wow! I didn't know they were that mean. I hope they keep them up north, too.
I cannot imagine how the early settlers and Indian's coped with all these
wild type of creatures. I guess that is why they needed guns at hand back
then.
What happens if you were to fall asleep on your porch? Do people do such a
thing in your neck of the woods? It sounds like you have to be on guard
living where you do.
Griz will more than threaten your life. Once they acquire a taste for "long
pig" (man) you are in a world of hurt.
A house is no protection. They will rip it open like a rotten log for the
"grubs" inside. This will happen again once this re-establishment is
accomplished. Why do you think they were eradicated?
I have lived with animals most of my life and in many ways prefer their
company to mankind.
They keep it simple. So don't think I don't like animals.
Regrettably environmental theories of animal behavior are as full of barn
dust as the explorer club mentality.
I've been there, done that, and have the T shirt and the belt buckle. My
knowledge is not TV or books.
One of the big myths is animals only kill to eat. Utter BS.
I have seen a hawk hit a covey of quail and not stop until they are all
dead. He then eats the lungs of a couple of them, or whatever titbit he is
in the mood for and leaves the rest. Lions like their meat fresh and will
kill a deer and leave most for the bears and yotes. The television model of
nature is lovely but mostly entertainment with little relevance to real day
to day life.
Ever see hawks hunt in a flock? I have. So much for lone territorial
predators. Ever see an eagle kill a deer? My cousin's husband did. Dropped
from the sky and slit her throat in passing. Ever see their feet? And their
beak! Hawks can bite your fingers off let alone eagles.
TV leaves many with the impression the wilds are a petting zoo. NOT SO!
I've seen a bear walk down a trail and then have a whack attack and destroy
a log and bushes. Then calmly shuffle away. I've seen bear eat berries for
several days by a flock of sheep and then one day just walk over and kill a
half dozen of them. Why? and why not before? They are TOTALLY unpredictable.
People get attacked and killed and the papers don't cover it. Why?
The early settlers of the west could have told us much about the behavior of
wild predators unafraid of man but their stories are not in the libraries
for the most part. Not politically correct, just as artifacts of Egypt and
Phoenicia in the Americas are suppressed, Irish Ogham writing, Viking
settlements, Blue eyed red haired indians and so on.
Columbus discovered America dontcha know.
Kirk
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It's a really bad idea to get mauled where you can't call 911.
You need to study the physiology of these animals.
Their teeth and claws are far worse than most people dream.
Their musculature has to be seen to be believed.
K
MOTTIMORPH wrote:
Personally, I would prefer a 30.06 for dealing with LARGE
predators. And a scope.
But that's a lot of extra weight to lug....
A 9mm set-up is better than nothing, though!
--Mike
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Most people keep dogs.
I wouldn't rely on them though.
They are nose oriented so pretty useless upwind. Bear can move real quietly
too.
I am high enough in the mountains that sleeping indoors is usually a good
thing.
I used to think the 2nd storey deck was safe until opening the door and
meeting a bear.
Besides, the bottom level is a daylight basement with poured 8 inch
concrete/steel walls so it is cooler than outside during heat waves in
July/August.
Kirk
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You said a mouthful. Have you ever thought of writing a book? You have a nice
style of writing that is very enjoyable to read and easy to absorb. I think
it is more than just my interest in that area (wilderness, animals, etc.).
Think it over, you have a lot of knowledge that you seem willing to share.
You sound like a modern day "Daniel Boone," or Davie Crocket."
I used to go fishing, hunt for reptiles, etc., in the local state park, when
I was a young kid, and I loved it. Since then everything is too polluted for
much wildlife to survive anywhere in the NYC area.
Once I went up to Maine with some guys from work for a hunting weekend and
saw someone shoot a black bear. Then a few times I saw a couple of Moose too,
but you weren't aloud to shoot them.
After you write it what do you do?
I thought you had to be connected.
Kirk
mm48ny wrote:
Kirk,
You said a mouthful. Have you ever thought of writing a book? You have a
nice
style of writing that is very enjoyable to read and easy to absorb. I think
it is more than just my interest in that area (wilderness, animals, etc.).
Think it over, you have a lot of knowledge that you seem willing to share.
MM
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East is pretty crowded. I can't stand the continual noise and car exhaust.
Wears me out.
When my wife's aunt died we went to New York (Long Island) for the funeral.
Went to a nice restaurant by the water.
Good food and all that, but when I asked the waitress for a double I
realized I needed to pay attention to my feelings. How do you stand the
stress? And if you make eye contact people get real goosey. I think they
anticipate unpleasantness.
Frankly, I don't know why you don't move away from the pollution.
If you die of cancer what good is your retirement and investments?
We have pollution too. But if you rent at first and get into a few
conversations you'll find out where those places are.
I was always amazed at how it was OK to burn coal upwind of you folks and
send the electricity to you when you had such strict laws locally. The
losses in all those miles of wire meant even more coal had to be burned.
The Rockefeller refinery in Billings makes a lot of pollution but the EPA
monitoring station is on the west side of the plant. If weather moves in and
you get an East wind they shut the monitor down. Refinery employees do the
monitoring (real impartial group, right?). A small oil co. In Laurel just
west of that Standard facility has its monitors mounted on the stacks at the
plant. Not much dilution there, or the benefits of measuring upwind.
Corruption is an interesting thing.
Kirk
PS-- As for Boone & Crocket(back when ships were made of wood and men were
made of iron)-- John Johnson was a real western mountain man. They made a
fictional account of him, named it "Jeremiah Johnson." Some of it was true
though, like his one man war with the Crow Nation. Not that it started as
their fault. Kinda complicated-- Rent the movie. It is pretty good.
Where I live is some of his old "stomping grounds."
mm48ny wrote:
You sound like a modern day "Daniel Boone," or Davie Crocket."
I used to go fishing, hunt for reptiles, etc., in the local state park, when
I was a young kid, and I loved it. Since then everything is too polluted for
much wildlife to survive anywhere in the NYC area.
Once I went up to Maine with some guys from work for a hunting weekend and
saw someone shoot a black bear. Then a few times I saw a couple of Moose
too,
but you weren't aloud to shoot them.
MM
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Jerimiah Johnson? Was that the movie with Robert Redford? I thought that was
a great movie. I think I will rent it again. I really enjoyed that movie.
The movie that I taped recently, and keep rewatching, is the Matrix. I didn't
enjoy it when I first saw it, because I didn't realize that it was related to
the hollow earth. It might be worth seeing, even though most of it is based
in an urban environment.
I don't know. I think it might be best to make a few appointments with
publishers, get a feel from them, etc. They might give you some good advice.
They want to make money, if you have something that will sell, you write the
book, they will do the rest.
Matrix is great. 13th floor is OK.
As for JJ may have been Redford. Been quite a while-- I forget.
Was a great movie though.
"When you're through skinnin that one Pilgrim I'll get you another."
Funny bit if you remember it. Funniest part of the film if I remember right.
mm48ny wrote:
Kirk,
Jerimiah Johnson? Was that the movie with Robert Redford? I thought that was
a great movie. I think I will rent it again. I really enjoyed that movie.
The movie that I taped recently, and keep rewatching, is the Matrix. I
didn't
enjoy it when I first saw it, because I didn't realize that it was related
to
the hollow earth. It might be worth seeing, even though most of it is based
in an urban environment.
MM
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