Does anybody know about Barker and Fitch? The following is from
The Hollow Earth by Raymond Bernard.
In his book, " They knew Too Much about Flying Saucers, " Barker
speaks of the " Antarctic Mystery " or the unusual number of flying
saucers seen to ascend and descend in the region of the South Pole,
which strongly supports the theory of a polar opening through which
flying saucers emerge from and enter the hollow interior of the
earth. In this book he mentions an Australian and a New Zealand
investigator, named Bender and Jarrold respectively, who believed
that flying saucers originate and are based in the Antarctic and
tried to trace their course, when they were suddenly stopped in their
research by `three men in black,' who were secret government agents
who apparently wished to suppress such research, just as publicity
concerning Admiral Byrd's 2,300 mile flight to the new unknown
territory not found on any map, that lies beyond the South Pole and
inside the opening that leads to the earth's hollow interior, was
suppressed in the press.
Theodore Fitch is another American writer who believes that flying
saucers come from the hollow interior of the earth. In his book, "Our
Paradise Inside the Earth," he writes:
"Writers of books on flying saucers believe that they come from other
planets. But how can that be? They are too far away. Traveling at
terrific speeds it would take a lifetime to make the trip (especially
from planets of other solar systems) ."
Fitch claims, as does Palmer, that the "spacemen" who come to us in
flying saucers, who pose as visitors from other planets, are really
members of an advanced civilization in the hollow interior of the
earth, who have important reasons for keeping their true place of
origin secret, for which reason they purposely foster the false
belief that they come from other planets. On this point, Fitch
writes: " They say that they come from other planets, but we doubt
it." He considers this a whilte lie in order to prevent militaristic
governments from learning that on the opposite side of the Earth's
crust there exists an advanced civilization far surpass our own,
which is reached by the Polar openings.
" they say that they come from other planets, but we doubt it."
Dean, thank you for pointing these out... So, these books must be older
than 1964.
The real enigma is the Fitch book as I'm having a hard time finding that
one.
Unfortunately neither seems to be listed in the online Library of Congress
search engine, but I was able to find "They Knew Too Much about Flying
Saucers" by Gray Barker from 1956 here:
And it can seemingly purchased from eBay and elsewhere.
So yes, it would be good to find the Theodore Fitch book. This fellow seems
to be a preacher or religious writer (if it's the same fellow).
Spoke too soon: I also found "Our Paradise Inside The Earth" by Theodore
Fitch, 195_(?), Publisher: Council Bluffs, la. 64 pages. OCLC Number:
931793256
You know, there people might even be alive still, but it seems that their message has been lost. It's a shame,
Back in the late 50s and early 60s, the Hollow Earth Theory was in gear, so to speak. Fitch wrote his book; Barker made comments about UFOs coming out of the Poles; or something to that effect; Mary Martin and friends were investigating cave entrances and such, and publishing; and Taymond Bernard (pen name) wrote The Hollow Earth, and he established a commoune in the deep south of Brazil and went off to investigate in the Amazon Jungle (It's a bit late, but say a prayer for his soul!).
And now, except for Bernard's book and some selected Mary Martin articles, nothing is left of their efforts. For one thing, this shows us how substantial Bernard's book The Hollow Earth was.
And for another, it brings to my attention that the digital efforts that we make are all very ephemeral and easily wiped out, and made to disappear. On the other hand, hard copy books just get circulated and reprinting isn't so hard.
About ten years ago I gave a hollow earth talk in person somewhere in the São Paulo, Brazil region, I swear I don't remember where. But a lady came up to me and told me that her mother had belonged to a community of hollow earthers in southern Brazil, and we got to talking! You all can imagine; I don't hear comments like that every day! Anyway, she knew about the Bernard book and told me that when he disappeared, everyone became very disconcerted but kept the community going for a few years before wrapping it up, and it all just disbanded. Not that I ever met the lady, but at least I heard of someone from that group, and this was 35 - 40 years after Bernard disappeared.
The most lasting evidence seems to be hard copy books.
Dean , I have been thinking about this for some time now...what caused the Hollow Earth research work to lose steam in the 20th century...so much so that by the time we entered 21st century, to most people Hollow Earth is little more than a fairy tale .
My take is ,that the following events in succession , collectively served to erase the Hollow Earth concept from people's minds :
I think that the prestige that modern science gained helped to erase the concept of a hollow earth from people's minds, because mdoern science obviously doesn't accept such a theory.
Also the influence of technology. If we have the technology to fly over oceans, and the Arctic has been flown over so many times, but no one has ever reported an opening; then it must not exist.
Finally, the leadership on our planet that knows of the hollow world's existence has steered everyone else away from it.
Yes Dean...in the nineteenth century , people were getting lot closer to the truth about Hollow Earth , especially after the disappearance of William Morgan in 1826 . However , again just when that issue started gaining traction in the public mind , the American Civil War happened and all such ideas went to the back burner of public opinion . Even after Etidorpha got published in 1895 , the idea had already been eclipsed by Jule Verne's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" , published in 1864 .
I think Jules Verne's book was a piece of trash compared to a scientific book like Etidorpha . Sadly , Journey to the Center of the Earth became too popular and also helped permanently trivialise the idea of Hollow Earth into a pure flight of fantasy , which it was not . Nobody who read that book , would ever take the idea of Hollow Earth , seriously after that . If you ask anyone about the best author to write about Hollow Earth , people will say Jules Verne - and that's really unfortunate .
It's almost as though circumstances are conspiring to keep these facts about Hollow Earth hidden , till such time that humanity is ready for such a shocking revelation....
I also beg to differ with you , when you say these old books - there paperback editions are what can bring a turnaround . I feel we need to move with the times and not get too caught up in form over substance .
Millennials and Gen Xers , live in the digital universe . An old library of 100 year old books , will not excite them - it needs to be served upto them in the digital medium that they were born into . It needs to be accessible to them in a digital form ,which they access using their dearest possession - the smartphone , or at least a kindle.
Most leading Universities in the world today are moving towards the digital library instead of the old fashioned "paperback library" .
As a group , we should make every effort to get all the paperback texts we have digitised at the earliest possible and make them accessible to millenials . Else it will serve little more purpose than to adorn a collector's old library . Sorry for putting it that way , but that's the hard truth . If we don't do that , we would become like another one of those echo chambers in society that have become all too common .
As they say "If the game is chess , don't play Chinese checkers" :))
On a different note , I know some members of this group have rather strong views against the role of Hollywood in shaping ideas of society , but I feel cinema can play a constructive role in society if the right kind of movie makers can be roped in . I am talking about James Cameron who created an entire parallel world with his movie Avatar , down to it's physics as well - he's got that sort of capability provided , he could be made to believe in such an idea as Hollow Earth .
**He is the kind of film maker who could do justice to a movie adaptation of "The Smoky God" or "Etidorpha" . A hundred more years of our collective efforts may not yield the same results for popularising the Hollow Earth concept , than a good movie adaptation of these 2 books , by a film maker with that level of expertise in visualisation .
What do you say , what do all other members of this group feel about trying to approach a film maker for making a movie adaptation of these 2 books ?
Regards
deandddd wrote:
Sodhatha,
I think that the prestige that modern science gained helped to erase the concept of a hollow earth from people's minds, because mdoern science obviously doesn't accept such a theory.
Also the influence of technology. If we have the technology to fly over oceans, and the Arctic has been flown over so many times, but no one has ever reported an opening; then it must not exist.
Finally, the leadership on our planet that knows of the hollow world's existence has steered everyone else away from it.
Good night!
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Dear Members of the group,
There is also a book of Bulwer Lytton, The Coming Race. What do you think of it?
Regards,
Em segunda-feira, 22 de julho de 2019 03:38:59 BRT, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> escreveu:
Yes Dean...in the nineteenth century , people were getting lot closer to the truth about Hollow Earth , especially after the disappearance of William Morgan in 1826 . However , again just when that issue started gaining traction in the public mind , the American Civil War happened and all such ideas went to the back burner of public opinion . Even after Etidorpha got published in 1895 , the idea had already been eclipsed by Jule Verne's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" , published in 1864 .
I think Jules Verne's book was a piece of trash compared to a scientific book like Etidorpha . Sadly , Journey to the Center of the Earth became too popular and also helped permanently trivialise the idea of Hollow Earth into a pure flight of fantasy , which it was not . Nobody who read that book , would ever take the idea of Hollow Earth , seriously after that . If you ask anyone about the best author to write about Hollow Earth , people will say Jules Verne - and that's really unfortunate .
It's almost as though circumstances are conspiring to keep these facts about Hollow Earth hidden , till such time that humanity is ready for such a shocking revelation....
I also beg to differ with you , when you say these old books - there paperback editions are what can bring a turnaround . I feel we need to move with the times and not get too caught up in form over substance .
Millennials and Gen Xers , live in the digital universe . An old library of 100 year old books , will not excite them - it needs to be served upto them in the digital medium that they were born into . It needs to be accessible to them in a digital form ,which they access using their dearest possession - the smartphone , or at least a kindle.
Most leading Universities in the world today are moving towards the digital library instead of the old fashioned "paperback library" .
As a group , we should make every effort to get all the paperback texts we have digitised at the earliest possible and make them accessible to millenials . Else it will serve little more purpose than to adorn a collector's old library . Sorry for putting it that way , but that's the hard truth . If we don't do that , we would become like another one of those echo chambers in society that have become all too common .
As they say "If the game is chess , don't play Chinese checkers" :))
On a different note , I know some members of this group have rather strong views against the role of Hollywood in shaping ideas of society , but I feel cinema can play a constructive role in society if the right kind of movie makers can be roped in . I am talking about James Cameron who created an entire parallel world with his movie Avatar , down to it's physics as well - he's got that sort of capability provided , he could be made to believe in such an idea as Hollow Earth .
**He is the kind of film maker who could do justice to a movie adaptation of "The Smoky God" or "Etidorpha" . A hundred more years of our collective efforts may not yield the same results for popularising the Hollow Earth concept , than a good movie adaptation of these 2 books , by a film maker with that level of expertise in visualisation .
What do you say , what do all other members of this group feel about trying to approach a film maker for making a movie adaptation of these 2 books ?
Regards
deandddd wrote:
Sodhatha,
I think that the prestige that modern science gained helped to erase the concept of a hollow earth from people's minds, because mdoern science obviously doesn't accept such a theory.
Also the influence of technology. If we have the technology to fly over oceans, and the Arctic has been flown over so many times, but no one has ever reported an opening; then it must not exist.
Finally, the leadership on our planet that knows of the hollow world's existence has steered everyone else away from it.
Good night!
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The point that I wanted to make about the old books is twofold:
First of all, it is a shame to lose them because they at least make some good comments. The whole idea about the straight-line theory, which is still modern and helpful, is that most UFOs up around the polar areas have a trajectory headed directly towards the poles, which is where the openings are. thisis a good observation.
The other point is that it isn't good to lose those books which helped to develop our awareness. Those two authors, plus Mary Martin's group and Raymond Bernard's work, helped to carry the hollow earth theory to the next generatioin, at a time when it was kind of snuffed out. So why should we lose those books? How did that happen? What were the attitudes that allowed it to happen?
And what does it forebode for the digital evidence that through which we present the current state of the hollow earth theory.
I think that hard copoy books have to be reconsidered.
Just to give you an idea, about 20 years ago a copy of Bernard's The Hollow Earth got reprinted in Brazil in Portuguese. It survived because it was a hard copy book.
On the other hand, web pages can disappear forever in an instant, and the same thing can happen to our hard drives.
You can write a book and no one knows where you are, while, if you do some editing on your hollow earth web page, your position can be immediately traced when you upload.
Dean, you are correct about the Internet rot. Essentially the "library" is
always burning with the Internet and you just never know when you'll lose
things. It has happened way too many times now to me in terms of losing
things.
Sidhartha, I don't think Dean is opposed to having digital copies AS WELL.
I think he's just saying we need to not lose the paper ones "just in case"
and he's absolutely correct in this. We really need to have superior
storage mediums for digital data, but the commercial motivations don't yet
allow that. I heard, about 25 years ago, about crystalline and protein
storage devices that could store data in enormous quantities in very, very
small (1 cm) spaces. A hard drive company (I think Seagate) bought this and
then it disappeared to never be heard of again. That is a huge industry and
it's all about selling consumable storage medium so they can keep selling
replacement drives.
Michael Tellinger (I believe rightly) believes that data can be stored in
"rocks" and crystalline structure and that there are probably enormous
amounts of data stored in such a manner (particularly in South Africa). We
need to research this further for more permanent and much more dense data
storage before we can feel comfortable with shifting entirely away from
books. We need bio-mechanical storage mechanisms that will resist the
failures that our devices are prone to today.
Elizabeth, this is a very, very good and very, very important book. It is
not the racist or Nazi-centric book that people seem to want to believe it
is.
Soretna , Dean , we really need to up our game as a group and evolve with time , if we are to make any impact on the opinion that rest of society has about the Hollow Earth concept . Digitising older books is the best way to preserve the information they contain , to provide easy access for future generations .
Moreover , there are exciting new AI tools now available that can crunch books in a fraction of the time it would take humans . Just see this article on how AI is being used to uncover new insights from old scientific papers that we Humans had missed . Such tools could be a great force multiplier for our Hollow Earth research :
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AI Trained on Old Scientific Papers Makes Discoveries Humans Missed
Scientists used machine learning to reveal new scientific knowledge hidden in old research papers.
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AI Trained on Old Scientific Papers Makes Discoveries Humans Missed
Scientists used machine learning to reveal new scientific knowledge hidden in old research papers.
by Madeleine Gregory
10 July 2019, 9:55amShareTweet
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Using just the language in millions of old scientific papers, a machine learning algorithm was able to make completely new scientific discoveries.
In a study published in Nature on July 3, researchers from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory used an algorithm called Word2Vec sift through scientific papers for connections humans had missed. Their algorithm then spit out predictions for possible thermoelectric materials, which convert heat to energy and are used in many heating and cooling applications.
The algorithm didn’t know the definition of thermoelectric, though. It received no training in materials science. Using only word associations, the algorithm was able to provide candidates for future thermoelectric materials, some of which may be better than those we currently use.
“It can read any paper on material science, so can make connections that no scientists could,” researcher Anubhav Jain said. “Sometimes it does what a researcher would do; other times it makes these cross-discipline associations.”
To train the algorithm, the researchers assessed the language in 3.3 million abstracts related to material science, ending up with a vocabulary of about 500,000 words. They fed the abstracts to Word2vec, which used machine learning to analyze relationships between words.
“The way that this Word2vec algorithm works is that you train a neural network model to remove each word and predict what the words next to it will be,” Jain said. “By training a neural network on a word, you get representations of words that can actually confer knowledge.”
Using just the words found in scientific abstracts, the algorithm was able to understand concepts such as the periodic table and the chemical structure of molecules. The algorithm linked words that were found close together, creating vectors of related words that helped define concepts. In some cases, words were linked to thermoelectric concepts but had never been written about as thermoelectric in any abstract they surveyed. This gap in knowledge is hard to catch with a human eye, but easy for an algorithm to spot.
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After showing its capacity to predict future materials, researchers took their work back in time, virtually. They scrapped recent data and tested the algorithm on old papers, seeing if it could predict scientific discoveries before they happened. Once again, the algorithm worked.
In one experiment, researchers analyzed only papers published before 2009 and were able to predict one of the best modern-day thermoelectric materials four years before it was discovered in 2012.
This new application of machine learning goes beyond materials science. Because it’s not trained on a specific scientific dataset, you could easily apply it to other disciplines, retraining it on literature of whatever subject you wanted. Vahe Tshitoyan, the lead author on the study, says other researchers have already reached out, wanting to learn more.
“This algorithm is unsupervised and it builds its own connections,” Tshitoyan said. “You could use this for things like medical research or drug discovery. The information is out there. We just haven’t made these connections yet because you can’t read every article.”
Regards
There is also a book of Bulwer Lytton, The Coming Race. What do you think of it?
Regards,
Em segunda-feira, 22 de julho de 2019 03:38:59 BRT, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> escreveu:
Yes Dean...in the nineteenth century , people were getting lot closer to the truth about Hollow Earth , especially after the disappearance of William Morgan in 1826 . However , again just when that issue started gaining traction in the public mind , the American Civil War happened and all such ideas went to the back burner of public opinion . Even after Etidorpha got published in 1895 , the idea had already been eclipsed by Jule Verne's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" , published in 1864 .
I think Jules Verne's book was a piece of trash compared to a scientific book like Etidorpha . Sadly , Journey to the Center of the Earth became too popular and also helped permanently trivialise the idea of Hollow Earth into a pure flight of fantasy , which it was not . Nobody who read that book , would ever take the idea of Hollow Earth , seriously after that . If you ask anyone about the best author to write about Hollow Earth , people will say Jules Verne - and that's really unfortunate .
It's almost as though circumstances are conspiring to keep these facts about Hollow Earth hidden , till such time that humanity is ready for such a shocking revelation....
I also beg to differ with you , when you say these old books - there paperback editions are what can bring a turnaround . I feel we need to move with the times and not get too caught up in form over substance .
Millennials and Gen Xers , live in the digital universe . An old library of 100 year old books , will not excite them - it needs to be served upto them in the digital medium that they were born into . It needs to be accessible to them in a digital form ,which they access using their dearest possession - the smartphone , or at least a kindle.
Most leading Universities in the world today are moving towards the digital library instead of the old fashioned "paperback library" .
As a group , we should make every effort to get all the paperback texts we have digitised at the earliest possible and make them accessible to millenials . Else it will serve little more purpose than to adorn a collector's old library . Sorry for putting it that way , but that's the hard truth . If we don't do that , we would become like another one of those echo chambers in society that have become all too common .
As they say "If the game is chess , don't play Chinese checkers" :))
On a different note , I know some members of this group have rather strong views against the role of Hollywood in shaping ideas of society , but I feel cinema can play a constructive role in society if the right kind of movie makers can be roped in . I am talking about James Cameron who created an entire parallel world with his movie Avatar , down to it's physics as well - he's got that sort of capability provided , he could be made to believe in such an idea as Hollow Earth .
**He is the kind of film maker who could do justice to a movie adaptation of "The Smoky God" or "Etidorpha" . A hundred more years of our collective efforts may not yield the same results for popularising the Hollow Earth concept , than a good movie adaptation of these 2 books , by a film maker with that level of expertise in visualisation .
What do you say , what do all other members of this group feel about trying to approach a film maker for making a movie adaptation of these 2 books ?
Sure, old books can be digitalizaed and then widely distributed at any point in time. But hard copy, even if it is a matter of xeroxed books, has to be done hand-in-hand in order to preserve.
And it is so cheap to do so that we don't have to worry about the profit motive. Just think of David LaPoint. He presented a revolution in physics and astrophysics, did it in a more dynamic way than can be done through books, and he obviously wasn't interested in a financial return on his videos, he wanted to spread the word.
laPoint did such a nice job, in fact, that it seems he got tken away. I ponder this aspect of things very much. When you win, you lose. But then we get into a whole other ball of wax.
Yes, and LaPoint's videos, while great, are a huge letdown since there's no
reference material. Videos are burdensome to go back and review since you
can't just flip open the proper page and study an image readily based on an
index or textual find function such as with a PDF, etc.
Soretna , with 5G on the Horizon , speed & quality of data transfer on the net is just going to explode . We need no longer fret about "how burdensome it is to go back to videos" :)) .
Anyhow , this is NOT a technology forum , it's a Hollow Earth forum , so I will limit my comments on tech .
Moreover , our kind of group is the one that epitomises those who are "willing to go beyond the book/textbook/the published word" . None of us in this forum heard about Hollow Earth from the textbooks we were educated with :)) . So each of us in this forum has already gone "beyond the book" , else we would not even be here , discussing Hollow Earth !
Throughout history , mankind has made the greatest progress when a few brave people challenged "what is written in the book" . Buddha , Jesus , Galileo , Tesla , Gandhi , all of them were people who dared to go "beyond the book" and paid the ultimate price for it , in order for humanity to progress . I am not exhorting anyone to pay that "ultimate price" :)) but just highlighting how mankind made progress in the past
In sharp contrast , there are those who "swear by the book" and will not tolerate any deviation from what is "written in the book" . We continue to see how much pain , damage and turmoil they are causing in the world . This is one of the reasons why , I have always been sceptical of having blind faith in ANY book - here I am speaking only for myself .
**On the other hand , in this age of wikipedia (and similar tools) , you can crowdsource/open source knowledge , make incremental improvements to it , using collaboration tools , as and when newer information comes to light . Paperback editions suffer from two main deficiencies :
They are the point of view of just one person - the author
The content of the paperback edition is frozen in time , to the year it was last published/printed . Any subsequent information surfacing at a later date , even if contradictory to what was earlier published (as often happens) , would NOT be "updated" into the paperback edition . Over a period of 40,50 years , this makes older paperback editions on scientific topics largely irrelevant .
The above 2 points are also going to make newspapers irrelevant quite soon , due to the concept of citizen journalist and people reading news from the net , rather than through paper .
Sidhartha,
Cumbersome, yes, because that's the nature of videos.
But I don't know what you mena by reference matrial since his work is all iriginal, demonstrated by experiements and deep space photography.
Dean
Sidhartha,
I agree that newspapers are already outmoded.
Dean
Anyhow , this is NOT a technology forum , it's a Hollow Earth forum , so I will limit my comments on tech .
Moreover , our kind of group is the one that epitomises those who are "willing to go beyond the book/textbook/the published word" . None of us in this forum heard about Hollow Earth from the textbooks we were educated with :)) . So each of us in this forum has already gone "beyond the book" , else we would not even be here , discussing Hollow Earth !
Throughout history , mankind has made the greatest progress when a few brave people challenged "what is written in the book" . Buddha , Jesus , Galileo , Tesla , Gandhi , all of them were people who dared to go "beyond the book" and paid the ultimate price for it , in order for humanity to progress . I am not exhorting anyone to pay that "ultimate price" :)) but just highlighting how mankind made progress in the past
In sharp contrast , there are those who "swear by the book" and will not tolerate any deviation from what is "written in the book" . We continue to see how much pain , damage and turmoil they are causing in the world . This is one of the reasons why , I have always been sceptical of having blind faith in ANY book - here I am speaking only for myself .
**On the other hand , in this age of wikipedia (and similar tools) , you can crowdsource/open source knowledge , make incremental improvements to it , using collaboration tools , as and when newer information comes to light . Paperback editions suffer from two main deficiencies :
They are the point of view of just one person - the author
The content of the paperback edition is frozen in time , to the year it was last published/printed . Any subsequent information surfacing at a later date , even if contradictory to what was earlier published (as often happens) , would NOT be "updated" into the paperback edition . Over a period of 40,50 years , this makes older paperback editions on scientific topics largely irrelevant .
The above 2 points are also going to make newspapers irrelevant quite soon , due to the concept of citizen journalist and people reading news from the net , rather than through paper .