The coming pole shift
The coming pole shift
Posted by ElTonyO3456296
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Can we talk? 
Thundersmoke raised some great issues concerning a poleshift possibility. I have been fascinated by the theory of a cyclic pole shift(s) for a long time, because it explains so many things. And there is ample evidence too. Some say the cycle is every 3600 years, and we are due soon (2003 timeframe), and is caused by a large planet (i.e. planet X), that crosses our orbital plane and causes our earth to re-align. It could have been the cause of the continent shift, and break up, and many other things.... such as:
What happened to Atlantis: I think most of what we know about the lost continent of Atlantis comes from Plato. There are maps of Atlantis reproduced from ancient Egyptian sources by a Jesuit priest (Athanasius Kircher 1601-1680). Kircher placed Atlantis in the North Atlantic Ocean but strangely, put north at the bottom of the page. Ergo, the Kircher map had to be studied up-side-down (hmmmm). The match is pretty good though.
So what does Atlantis, Plato the Goofy Greek, and all the other massive amounts of evidence, including old written and oral histories, and climatic evidence have to do with Pole-Shifts your asking... well... plenty people!
(Ohhhh god I hope I don't babble too much.... Forgive me)
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In Plato's Timaeus he states that the Earth was overtaken by a tempest of winds.... alien fire from without, and with a solid lump of earth... the immense flood which foamed in and streamed out....
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The Greek Solon visited Egypt and an old priest spoke to him as if to one of today's establishment figures:
You are all young in your minds which hold no store of old belief based on long tradition, no knowledge hoary with age. The reason is this. There have been, and will be hereafter, many and divers destructions of mankind, the greatest by fire and water, though other lesser ones are due to countless other causes. Thus the story current also in your part of the world, that Phaethon, child of the Sun, once harnessed his father's chariot but could not guide it on his father's course and so burnt up everything on the face of the earth and was himself consumed by the thunderbolt - this legend has the air of a fable; but the truth behind it is a deviation of the bodies that revolve in heaven round the earth and a destruction, occurring at long intervals, of things on earth by a great conflagration...
Any great or noble achievement or otherwise exceptional event that has come to pass, either in your parts or here or in any place of which we have tidings, has been written down for ages past in records that are preserved in our temples; whereas with you and other peoples again and again life has only lately been enriched... when once more, after the usual period of years, the torrents from heaven sweep down like a pestilence, leaving only the rude and unlettered among you. And so you start again like children, knowing nothing of what existed in ancient times here or in your own country... your people remember only one deluge, though there were many earlier...
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If Atlantas was once Antartica.... something "big" happened baby! Many researchers have found an extremely convincing argument that the location of the lost civilisation of Atlantis is the Antarctic continent. Charles Hapgood (Albert Einstein endorsed his book and thought he was a genius) showed, that during much of the last ice age a large part of North America was under mile-thick glaciers, but a third of Antarctica was not? Hapgood suggested that perhaps the continents were then in different places relative to the poles - that the earth's crust had shifted over the molten layers beneath it. But if Antarctica was once further north and partly ice-free, it also was inhabitable! I am no "Atlantologists" people, but a spectrum of relevant disciplines - geology, paleoclimatology, cartography, astronomy, comparative religion - all contribute to the puzzle, and Hapgood's earth crust displacement theory seems to provide the modus operandi that accounts for the whole, huge, world-wide scenario in a single stroke. By studying ancient maps, Plato's clues to the location of Atlantis and similarities between myths from around the world, most scolars conclude that a civilisation of intelligent seafarers did exist 12,000 years ago. And uh... suddenly disappeared! Hello???
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What could have caused many yet unexplain mysteries such as the frozen mastodons of Siberia, whales found in high mountains, or the apparent water erosion of the Sphinx, which would be in a similar time scale, not to mention all of the ancient flood stories that surround the globe in writings and oral lore of antiquity. Know what I mean people?
Let me provide more detail here (forgive me Will... I will pay for the bandwidth, if need be):
a) In 1797 the body of a mammoth, with flesh, skin, and hair, was found in northeastern Siberia. The flesh had the appearance of freshly frozen beef; it was edible, and wolves and sled dogs fed on it without harm. The ground must have been frozen ever since the day of their entombment; had it not been frozen, the bodies of the mammoths would have putrefied in a single summer, but they remained unspoiled for some thousands of years. In some mammoths, when discovered, even the eyeballs were still preserved. (All) this shows that the cold became suddenly extreme .. and knew no relenting afterward. In the stomachs and between the teeth of the mammoths were found plants and grasses that do not grow now in northern Siberia .. (but are) .. now found in southern Siberia. Microscopic examination of the skin showed red blood corpuscles, which was proof not only of a sudden death, but that the death was due to suffocation either by gases or water.
b) Bones of whale have been found 440 feet above sea level, north of Lake Ontario; a skeleton of another whale was discovered in Vermont, more than 500 feet above sea level; and still another in the Montreal-Quebec area, about 600 feet above sea level. Although the Humphrey whale and beluga occasionally enter the mouth of the St. Lawrence, they do not climb hills.
c) All other theories of the origin of the Ice Age having failed, there remained an avenue of approach which already early in our discussion was chosen by several geologists: a shift in the terrestrial poles. If for some reason the poles had moved, old polar ice would have moved out of the Arctic and Antarctic circles and into new regions. The glacial cover of the Ice Age could have been the polar icecap of an earlier epoch.
The continent of Antarctica is larger than Europe. It has not a single tree, not a single bush, not a single blade of grass. Very few fungi have been found. Storms of great velocity circle the Antarctic most of the year. E.H. Shackleton, during his expedition to Antarctica in 1907 found fossil wood in the sandstone. Then he discovered 7 seams of coal. The seams are each between 3 and 7 feet thick. Associated with the coal is sandstone containing coniferous wood.
Spitsbergen in the Arctic Ocean is as far north from Oslo in Norway as Oslo is from Naples. Heer identified 136 species of fossil plants from Spitsbergen. Among the plants were pines, firs, spruces, and cypresses, also elms, hazels, and water lilies. At the northernmost tip of Spitsbergen Archipelago, a bed of black and lustrous coal 25 to 30 feet thick was found. (Spitsbergen) is buried in darkness for half the year and is now almost continuously buried under snow and ice. At some time in the remote past corals grew and are still found on the entire fringe of polar North America - in Alaska, Canada, and Greenland. In later times fig palms bloomed within the Arctic Circle.
d) Notice also how the sea and land keeps changing roles: (Cuvier) found in the gypsum deposits in the suburbs of Paris marine limestone containing over eight hundred species of shells, all of them marine. Under this limestone there is another - fresh water - deposit formed of clay. Much of France was once under sea; then is was land, populated by land reptiles; then it became sea again and was populated by marine animals; then it was land again, inhabited by mammals. And as it was on the site of Paris, so it was in other parts of France, and in other countries of Europe.
The Himalayas, highest mountains in the world, rise like a thousand mile long wall north of India. Many of its peaks tower over 20,000 feet, Mount Everest reaching 29,000 feet. Scientists of the nineteenth century were dismayed to find that, as high as they climbed, the rocks of the massifs yielded skeletons of marine animals, fish that swim in the ocean, and shells of mollusks. This was evidence that the Himalayas had risen from beneath the sea.
In many places of the world the seacoast shows either submerged or raised beaches. The previous surf line is seen on the rock of raised beaches; where the coast became submerged, the earlier water line is found chiseled by the surf in the rock below the present level of the sea. In the case of the Pacific coast of Chile Charles Darwin observed that the beach must have risen 1300 feet only recently - within the period during which upraised shells have remained undecayed on the surface.
e) Are you getting tired of me yet people? ..... (smile)
- I forgot to mention a genius of a man called Velikovsky.... the scientist who figured most of this out long ago... (and pissed off his peers!). Are the wide spread predictions of a Millennium Comet based on fact? Zecharia Sitchin wrote the book The 12th Planet in 1976, documenting that our Solar System has yet another planet, Nibiru, that make periodic visits in comet fashion approximately every 3,600 years. His books are published by Avon Books, and his theories echoed by many other Authors. Immanuel Velikovsky wrote three controversial books, Worlds in Collision in 1950, Ages in Chaos in 1952, and Earth in Upheaval in 1955. He wrote the last, which documented geological changes, to support his first two books, which met with irrational ridicule that frankly disgusted many including Carl Sagan. Judge for yourself. Visit web sites on Catastrophism and Earth Changes
Excertps from Worlds in Collision, The Red World by Velikovsky, pp 48-49
In the middle of the second millennium before the present era [approximately 3,500 years ago], the earth underwent one of the greatest catastrophes in its history. A celestial body ... came very close to the earth.
The account of this catastrophe can be reconstructed from evidence supplied by a large number of documents. The comet .. touched the earth first with it's gaseous tail. .. Servius wrote, "It was not of a flaming but of a bloody redness." One of the first visible signs of this encounter was the reddening of the earth's surface by a fine dust of rusty pigment. In sea, lake, and river this pigment gave a bloody coloring to the water. Because of these particles of ferruginous or other soluble pigment, the world turned red.
The Manuscript Quiche of the Mayas tells that in the Western Hemisphere, in the days of a great cataclysm, when the earth quaked and the sun's motion was interrupted, the water in the rivers turned to blood.
Ipuwer, the Egyptian eyewitness to the catastrophe, wrote his lament on papyrus, "The river is blood", and this corresponds with the Book of Exodus 7:20: "All the waters that were in the river were turned to blood".
The tail of the comet, so it is said, is composed of lighter material toward the tip, as any heavier substances that far from the great comet's gravitational influence are drawn in other directions at one point or another. Thus, the gases and dust curl toward the Earth, and are first noticeable as a fine red iron dust, turning the water a bitter blood red.
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Hmmm. Could there be a possible coverup? During the 1980's newspapers frankly carried articles about the Historical search for Planet X, also known as Nibiru or Marduk, which became a 1983 Discovery. Infrared Scrutiny continues however, with the Hubble recently outfitted, and a computer Model attests to its existence. Such long Elliptical Orbits, like a recently discovered New Mini-Planet, are not unknown, nor are Wandering brown dwarfs or planets in a Binary System. Sitchin reported Correlations between Planet X and the 12th Planet, and Alford links a passage to The Flood.
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And then there's all those "scary" prophecies that we hate to talk about when we sip our tea and eat our crumpets, and rip each other apart in these forums..... Revelations warns that the rivers will run with blood. (The approaching and cyclic comet that comes every 3600 years and reverses our poles deposits a thick cloud of red dust over everything!). Per written and oral history, the last such cataclysm occurred during the time of the exodus from Egypt, approximately 3,600 years ago. Velikovsky reports on this history and theories (scientifically backed up).... that talk about the "12th" planet of antiquity, that has a period of approximately 3600 years.... due again in year 2003! The Book of Joshua, compiled from the more ancient Book of Jasher, states that the sun stood still over Gibeon and the moon over the valley of Ajalon. This description of the position of the luminaries implies that the sun was in the forenoon position. The Book of Joshua says that the luminaries stood in the midst of the sky. Allowing for the difference in longitude, it must have been early morning or night in the Western Hemisphere.
We go to the shelf where stand books with the historical traditions of the aborigines of Central America. The sailors of Columbus and Cortes, arriving in America, found there literate peoples who had books of their own. In the Mexican Annals of Cuauhtitlan, written in Nahua-Indian, it is related that during a cosmic catastrophe that occurred in the remote past, the night did not end for a long time.
Sahagun, the Spanish savant who came to America a generation after Columbus and gathered the traditions of the aborigines, wrote that at the time of one cosmic catastrophe the sun rose only a little way over the horizon and remained there without moving. The moon also stood still. The biblical stories were not know to the aborigines. Also, the tradition preserved by Sahagun bears no trace of having been introduced by the missionaries.
- If indeed when a pole shift occurs, and the earth temporarily stops spinning due to the very closeness of a passing large comet with different polarity, we would expect the day (or night) to not end for at least one day or until the rotation picks up again. It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report "a long day." Also, Heroditus, a Greek historian, wrote that an account of "a long day" appears in records of Egyptian priests. Others cite records of Mexicans of the sun standing still for an entire day in a year denoted as "Seven Rabits," which is the same year in which Joshua defeated the Philistines and conquered Palestine. (Bible-Science Newsletter, Daily Reading Magazine - Supplement, Vol. VIII - No. 5, May 1978, Caldwell, Idaho.) Additionally, the historical lore of the Aztecs, Peruvians, and Babylonians speak of a "day of twice natural length."
In 1970, a story appeared in The Evening World, a newpaper in Spencer, Indiana, about a consultant to the space program named Harold Hill (deceased) citing that he was told a computer program had found a "missing day." Though the computer program story could never be validated, interesting speculations and studies ensued about what astronomical mechanism might result in the "Earth standing still" for 24 hours.
.... Oh my god... look at the time!
I will shut up now.... criminy... I am sooo sorry Will (I hate long speeches!)
But um.... you may just wanna think about this some more.... as the world heats up at record levels, and we approach another cycle. Possibly. It's just a possibility.... cuz I am just an observer... who notices weird stuff that people never wanna talk about.
Regards, ElTonyO
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