Thanks to all for the Antarctic dinosaur info.
I think a lot of this stuff is rumor, based on Doreal's "Hefferlin
Manuscript," his wars between "ancient Aryans" and "Reptilian
humanoids" or "serpent people" at the South Pole. According to
Doreal, a war between the two groups caused a sudden pole
shift, thrustiing tropical Antarctica into a deep-freeze, and forcing
the reptilians underground....
--Mike
Mike, Old Churchward said, the brahmins utterly persecuted the Nagas
(serpent dieties) after the Nagas had taught the brahmins all the sciences
etc. Maybe this was the war which forced the Nagas to remain underground.
Celtic mythology tells of pillaging from the lower-world by surface
dwellers, who tried to carry off the treasures from this place, like the
suckling pig from which you can eat forever and the dish that never empties
and magic swords and stuff. This resulted in a war of the worlds. D'you
think history might repeat itself? Hazel.
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Thanks to all for the Antarctic dinosaur info.
I think a lot of this stuff is rumor, based on Doreal's "Hefferlin
Manuscript," his wars between "ancient Aryans" and "Reptilian
humanoids" or "serpent people" at the South Pole. According to
Doreal, a war between the two groups caused a sudden pole
shift, thrustiing tropical Antarctica into a deep-freeze, and forcing
the reptilians underground....--Mike
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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Hazel McKinlay"
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Mike, Old Churchward said, the brahmins utterly persecuted
the Nagas
(serpent dieties) after the Nagas had taught the brahmins all
the sciences
etc. Maybe this was the war which forced the Nagas to remain
underground.
Celtic mythology tells of pillaging from the lower-world by
surface
dwellers, who tried to carry off the treasures from this place,
like the
suckling pig from which you can eat forever and the dish that
never empties
and magic swords and stuff. This resulted in a war of the
worlds. D'you
think history might repeat itself? Hazel.
Churchward was indeed a naga/serpent apologist. Even if he
WAS right about Mu, which he might have been in some regards.
Interesting to note that the original Hebrew for the deceptive
serpent in the garden was "Nagash" or "Nahash...."
Not exactly our pals, are they?
--Mike
Mike, A Naga Apologist? That's a new one. Then so am I, because the Nagas,
escorted the Buddha on his descent to Earth from the Mount to teach Darmha
to the World. The Lalitavistara reads:
"On the left, the Bodhisattva stands 'on the large lotus that appeared,
thrusting up through the ground.' Above him are 'Nanda and Upananda, both of
of them Naga kings, displaying their half-(serpent)-bodies in the expanse of
the sky, having brought forth streams of hot and cold water to bathe
him..... In the air, a rare parasol appears and standing on the large lotus,
he looks at the ten points in space with a lion's expression, with the look
of a great man,' Best, Hazel.
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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Hazel McKinlay"
<lunaticfringe@b...> wrote:
> Mike, Old Churchward said, the brahmins utterly persecuted
the Nagas
> (serpent dieties) after the Nagas had taught the brahmins all
the sciences
> etc. Maybe this was the war which forced the Nagas to remain
underground.
> Celtic mythology tells of pillaging from the lower-world by
surface
> dwellers, who tried to carry off the treasures from this place,
like the
> suckling pig from which you can eat forever and the dish that
never empties
> and magic swords and stuff. This resulted in a war of the
worlds. D'you
> think history might repeat itself? Hazel.Churchward was indeed a naga/serpent apologist. Even if he
WAS right about Mu, which he might have been in some regards.Interesting to note that the original Hebrew for the deceptive
serpent in the garden was "Nagash" or "Nahash...."Not exactly our pals, are they?
--Mike
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Mike, Old Churchward said, the brahmins utterly persecuted the Nagas
(serpent dieties) after the Nagas had taught the brahmins all the
sciences
etc. Maybe this was the war which forced the Nagas to remain
underground.
Celtic mythology tells of pillaging from the lower-world by surface
Brahmins (who are characterized by their nonviolence) persecuting anyone
- this sounds highly improbable... Brahmins got their knowledge from the
Vedas and related literature, not from the Nagas (although they have
also access to it).
Does he give any specific references re where does this info come from?
Otherwise anyone can anything, you know.
In my essay on Nagas I mention a Vishnu Purana account of a battle
between
Nagas and Gandharvas (humanoid superhumans). They also take part in
other
"star wars" of Puranic accounts.
Here is what Damis, disciple of Apollonius of Tyana, says on dragons in
India:
http://www.apollonius.net/dragons.html
Jan
Thanks Jan for the Appollonius link, and confirming what I strongly believe,
'mythical' beasts are not mythical, they inhabit the hollow earth.
In the Land of Prester John, "there are stored away stones of flowery
colour, which flash out all kinds of hues, and possess a mystical power if
set in a ring;" these rings render the Sages invisible, allegedly. Hazel.
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> Mike, Old Churchward said, the brahmins utterly persecuted the Nagas
> (serpent dieties) after the Nagas had taught the brahmins all the
sciences
> etc. Maybe this was the war which forced the Nagas to remain
underground.
> Celtic mythology tells of pillaging from the lower-world by surfaceBrahmins (who are characterized by their nonviolence) persecuting anyone
- this sounds highly improbable... Brahmins got their knowledge from the
Vedas and related literature, not from the Nagas (although they have
also access to it).
Does he give any specific references re where does this info come from?
Otherwise anyone can anything, you know.In my essay on Nagas I mention a Vishnu Purana account of a battle
between
Nagas and Gandharvas (humanoid superhumans). They also take part in
other
"star wars" of Puranic accounts.Here is what Damis, disciple of Apollonius of Tyana, says on dragons in
India:
http://www.apollonius.net/dragons.htmlJan
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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Hazel McKinlay"
<lunaticfringe@b...> wrote:
Thanks Jan for the Appollonius link, and confirming what I
strongly believe,
'mythical' beasts are not mythical, they inhabit the hollow earth.
Here's something from another list. Seems pertinent to the
above statement.
Don't know if I believe it or not, and seeing is not always
believing. Hazel, this is a bit closer to your neck of the woods
than to those of us on the western side of the big pond. You
might want to check this out.
Beware of fraudulent taxidermy. Fiji Mermaid Soup, anyone?
--Mike
--------
From: "Craig and Amie" <B>
Date: Wed Apr 25, 2001 4:33 am
Subject: strange creature proposed for natural history museum
in UK
List,
I received this from another list and thought I'd pass it on. Maybe
a case of creative taxidermy?
Craig
From: a
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Subject: [Para-Discuss] strange creature proposed for natural
history museum
in UK
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:26:06 -0000
A friend of mine, who works at a natural history museum in
Newcastle, has told me about a strange new exhibit they have
just received. My friend described the creature as "like nothing he
had seen before" having six limbs including wings whilst being
completly mammal.
He says that its feet are clawed and its head is more of a bird
than a mammal including the sternum, which is vital for birds to
fly. He says his superior has told him to keep it under raps until
they can verify exactly what the creature is, but there has been
some spectulation that it may be the origins of the lengend of the
Gryphons as they have virtually ruled out the possibility of
mutation.
My friend says that they are not quite sure where the creature is
from as it was hand delivered from an anonymous source, but
researchers at the museum seem to think it might be from north
or the islands of Scotland and with it only being roughly 60cm
long by about 50cm tall it is easy to assume that it has escaped
mass attention or scientific discovery.
I am hoping to see the Gryphon/creature for myself soon and I
hope I might be able to take some pictures to show you but that
might be very difficult.
I don't know how important this is but it is something my friend
says nobody has seen before.
--Alan T--
In my essay on Nagas I mention a Vishnu Purana account of a battle
between
Nagas and Gandharvas (humanoid superhumans). They also take part in
other
"star wars" of Puranic accounts.Here is what Damis, disciple of Apollonius of Tyana, says on dragons in
India:
http://www.apollonius.net/dragons.htmlJanJM
Very interesting post. It tells me a lot. If these large reptiles were on
the surface as little ( relatively speaking ) as 2,000 years ago, then they
could have survived. Reptiles live underground, so there might be cavernous
dragon worlds.
Now you all know why I'm not so inclined to go caving in my search for the
hollow Earth.
Mike Mott-
That post on Sandy Cave and the fellow named Floyd was very interesting
today. We've had some good posts today, all around.
DD
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refs
Mike, Old Churchward said, the
brahmins utterly persecuted the Nagas(serpent dieties) after the Nagas had taught the brahmins all
thesciences
etc. Maybe this was the war which forced the Nagas to remain
underground.
Celtic mythology tells of pillaging from the lower-world by
surfaceBrahmins (who are characterized by their nonviolence) persecuting
anyone
- this sounds highly improbable... Brahmins got their knowledge from
theVedas and related literature, not from the Nagas (although they
havealso access to it).
Does he give any specific references re where does this info come
from?Otherwise anyone can anything, you know.
(From Dick Fojut) : Jan... Yes, Churchward does
give references from OTHER writers - with academic credentials -
saying the same about the Brahmin SECT (He stressed the word
SECT) from among the Aryans who came down from the mountains of
the Hindu Koosh.. As I recall reading Churchward, the welcomed
newcomers learned all they could from the "gentle" Nagas, then
(gently or otherwise) later booted them out. In his opinion the
Brahmin Priests invented and injected extravagances, excesses and
fictions into the formerly simple teachings of the Nagas
that made it impossible for ordinary people to understand, making the
people dependent on the Priests for all interpretations. The Priests
also inserted elements that would frighten the ordinary
people, making them fearful and dependent on the well paid
Priests for "protection." The same as the Egyptian Priests
injected into the Osirian religion, and later Priesthoods also have
done similarly over the ages. It will take a little time, finding and
scanning some of the text, but I will try ASAP (Maybe Hazel
already has some of it!). Most of the text I'm thinking about
is in his book "Children of MU."
But his tale of the ORIGIN of the Aryans (and
Brahmin Priests) goes back to the Uighur Empire long existing PRIOR
to 17,000 years ago... stretching from the Pacific, across Asia to
about where Moscow is today. Plus Uighur colonies stretching
westward through Europe all the way to Ireland today. According to
Churchward, the Uighur Empire was an independent (former) Colonial
Empire of MU in the Pacific. Next to MU, it was the largest civilized
Empire in the world before 17,000 years back. (Even exceeding the
Colonial Empire of Atlantis which commenced later) The main Uighur
capital city was where the ruins of Kara Kota were found in the Gobi.
According to Churchward, the Gobi was then a flat, well watered,
verdant plain. And if Churchward was correct, many (but not all) of
the Uighur people were white skinned with flaxen hair.
Half the Uighur Empire was drowned and buried
under boulders, gravel and sand carried by waves from the Pacific,
spilling northward over the plains during the last "magnetic
cataclysm." (The same flood of waves that also dumped Siberian
animals at Llakoff''s island, Dean).
A few thousand years later (mostly between
15,000 and 10,000 years back) the remaining half of the Uighur Empire
was destroyed when the global "gas belt' tunnels developed, and
uplifted mountains and mountain ranges above the plains of Asia and
Europe. Only small remnants of Uighurs survived, lifted up with
high valleys in the mountains. In time most of their civilized
history and technology slipped from their memories, but they
undoubtedly retained some language, some "religion."
Over the next thousands of years the remnants
multiplied and overcrowded the mountain valleys. Small groups
ventured westward and south down from the mountains and found other
people living in the recovered areas. They were tough, uncouth,
rugged mountain men but were welcomed by the Nagas (indicating the
newcomers must have been able to make themselves understood by
language), and settled first in non populated areas. The good news
got back to the mountain valleys. Over subsequent years they poured
down from the Hindu Koosh and eventually displaced the Naga
people..
According to Churchward these were among the
first of MANY separate "Aryan" survivor groups to move out of the
mountains and eventually spread across all of Europe. Through
marriage with other people, the flaxen hair did not remain
predominate. But in some areas it did through intermarriage.
The Nagas (used the seven headed serpent as
their symbol. It was one of the SYMBOLS for the Creator-in-action
used on MU, the motherland). Churchward obviously loved India and
its past, spending 30 years of his life there. He asserted the Aryans
and the Brahmin sect were late comers, and added their own
conceptions (or misconceptions?) to the writings they borrowed from
the Nagas. And, in his opinion, the Brahmin Priests were most
responsible for the subsequent decline of India. Remember, if he was
also correct, India had a high civilization 25,000 years ago and even
much earlier. This was tens of thousands of years BEFORE the Aryans
and their Brahmin Priests left their mountain homes. If Churchward
was alive I'm sure he'd want to debate you about the Brahmin tales
that disparage the Nagas. But perhaps he was wrong. I do not
know.
In conclusion, Churchward's tale described
the Naga Priests eventually later retreating to monasteries in the
mountains of Tibet, along with their Naacal teachings and
histories (commencing on the motherland) engraved on imperishable
tablets of stone. Some of which Tablets Churchward claimed to have
translated that led to his lifelong quest. I will now go read
your URL listed below!
. In my essay on Nagas I mention a
Vishnu Purana account of a battlebetween
Nagas and Gandharvas (humanoid superhumans). They also take part
inother
"star wars" of Puranic accounts.
Here is what Damis, disciple of Apollonius of Tyana, says on dragons
inIndia:
http://www.apollonius.net/dragons.html
Jan
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'Aliens' in India? Here's a link that may interest you:
Mobil, bredband & Tv hos Telenor | Hazel.
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] About Rep refs
> In my essay on Nagas I mention a Vishnu Purana account of a battle
> between
> Nagas and Gandharvas (humanoid superhumans). They also take part in
> other
> "star wars" of Puranic accounts.
>
> Here is what Damis, disciple of Apollonius of Tyana, says on dragons in
> India:
> http://www.apollonius.net/dragons.html
>
> JanJMVery interesting post. It tells me a lot. If these large reptiles were on
the surface as little ( relatively speaking ) as 2,000 years ago, then
they
could have survived. Reptiles live underground, so there might be
cavernous
dragon worlds.
Now you all know why I'm not so inclined to go caving in my search for the
hollow Earth.Mike Mott-
That post on Sandy Cave and the fellow named Floyd was very interesting
today. We've had some good posts today, all around.DD
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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Thanks for the rep refs
Dick,
The Hindu culture has its own historical literature, the Puranas, and that literature is very old. A revision of that literature is said to have taken place 2,000 years ago- give or take a few hundred. Why do they say this? Because parts of that literature appear in the ancient Sanskrit of Vedic times, and some parts appear in the Sanskrit of the post Vedic era. Indology scholars, both in India and the West, at least agree on this.
The Puranic narrations have strong correspondences to the traditions and folklore of other cultures of the world.
Now, in the Puranas you have a body of historical evidence, and there is no indication to support Churchward's idea that the brahmins received knowledge from nagas. The sources of that civilization, as well as its sources of knowledge and info, are given in the Puranas, starting with their celestial origins.
There just doesn't seem to be much support for the idea that brahmins came down into the Indus valley from the Hindu Kush, assimilate knowledge from gentle snakes, then viciously turned on them. Human beings and other mammals are usually the ones with nice, sentimental and maternal instincts, while such instincts are absent in reptiles, so I personally feel that Churchward has it backwards on this particular issue.
IMHO
Dharma/Dean
> Mike, Old Churchward said, the brahmins utterly persecuted the Nagas > (serpent dieties) after the Nagas had taught the brahmins all thesciences
> etc. Maybe this was the war which forced the Nagas to remain
underground.
> Celtic mythology tells of pillaging from the lower-world by surfaceBrahmins (who are characterized by their nonviolence) persecuting anyone - this sounds highly improbable... Brahmins got their knowledge from the Vedas and related literature, not from the Nagas (although they have also access to it). Does he give any specific references re where does this info come from?Otherwise anyone can anything, you know.
(From Dick Fojut) : ** Jan... Yes, Churchward does give references from OTHER writers - with academic credentials - saying the same about the Brahmin SECT** (He stressed the word SECT) ** from among the Aryans who came down from the mountains of the Hindu Koosh.** . As I recall reading Churchward, the welcomed newcomers learned all they could from the "gentle" Nagas, then (gently or otherwise) later booted them out. ** In his opinion the Brahmin Priests invented and injected extravagances, excesses and fictions** into the formerly simple teachings of the Nagas that made it impossible for ordinary people to understand, making the people dependent on the Priests for all interpretations. The Priests also inserted elements that would frighten the ordinary people , making them fearful and dependent on the well paid Priests for "protection." The same as the Egyptian Priests injected into the Osirian religion, and later Priesthoods also have done similarly over the ages. It will take a little time, finding and scanning some of the text, but I will try ASAP (Maybe Hazel already has some of it!). Most of the text I'm thinking about is in his book "Children of MU."
** But his tale of the ORIGIN of the Aryans (and Brahmin Priests) goes back to the Uighur Empire long existing PRIOR to 17,000 years ago... stretching from the Pacific, across Asia to about where Moscow is today** . Plus Uighur colonies stretching westward through Europe all the way to Ireland today. According to Churchward, the Uighur Empire was an independent (former) Colonial Empire of MU in the Pacific. Next to MU, it was the largest civilized Empire in the world before 17,000 years back. (Even exceeding the Colonial Empire of Atlantis which commenced later) The main Uighur capital city was where the ruins of Kara Kota were found in the Gobi. According to Churchward, the Gobi was then a flat, well watered, verdant plain. And if Churchward was correct, many (but not all) of the Uighur people were white skinned with flaxen hair.
** Half the Uighur Empire was drowned and buried under boulders, gravel and sand carried by waves from the Pacific, spilling northward over the plains during the last "magnetic cataclysm."** (The same flood of waves that also dumped Siberian animals at Llakoff''s island, Dean).
** A few thousand years later (mostly between 15,000 and 10,000 years back) the remaining half of the Uighur Empire was destroyed when the global "gas belt' tunnels developed, and uplifted mountains and mountain ranges above the plains of Asia and Europe** . Only small remnants of Uighurs survived, lifted up with high valleys in the mountains. In time most of their civilized history and technology slipped from their memories, but they undoubtedly retained some language, some "religion."
** Over the next thousands of years the remnants multiplied and overcrowded the mountain valleys** . Small groups ventured westward and south down from the mountains and found other people living in the recovered areas. They were tough, uncouth, rugged mountain men but were welcomed by the Nagas (indicating the newcomers must have been able to make themselves understood by language), and settled first in non populated areas. The good news got back to the mountain valleys. Over subsequent years they poured down from the Hindu Koosh and eventually displaced the Naga people..
** According to Churchward these were among the first of MANY separate "Aryan" survivor groups to move out of the mountains and eventually spread across all of Europe.** Through marriage with other people, the flaxen hair did not remain predominate. But in some areas it did through intermarriage.
** The Nagas (used the seven headed serpent as their symbol. It was one of the SYMBOLS for the Creator-in-action used on MU, the motherland)** . Churchward obviously loved India and its past, spending 30 years of his life there. He asserted the Aryans and the Brahmin sect were late comers, and added their own conceptions (or misconceptions?) to the writings they borrowed from the Nagas. And, in his opinion, the Brahmin Priests were most responsible for the subsequent decline of India. Remember, if he was also correct, India had a high civilization 25,000 years ago and even much earlier. This was tens of thousands of years BEFORE the Aryans and their Brahmin Priests left their mountain homes. If Churchward was alive I'm sure he'd want to debate you about the Brahmin tales that disparage the Nagas. But perhaps he was wrong. I do not know.
In conclusion, Churchward's tale described the Naga Priests eventually later retreating to monasteries in the mountains of Tibet, along with their Naacal teachings and histories (commencing on the motherland) engraved on imperishable tablets of stone. Some of which Tablets Churchward claimed to have translated that led to his lifelong quest. I will now go read your URL listed below!
- Dick Fojut