Subterranean mammal/beast discovered

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Dear friends and colleagues, please look at the following correspondence
(list post) along with my reply, then at the attached image.

Looks like proof of a subterranean biosphere DOES exist. I wonder if this
creature was driven out of deep regions due to the quakes which have struck
India, Pakistan, and surrounding areas of late.

Please read and examine. I'm interested in your thoughts.

A special thanks to renowned cryptozoologist Loren Coleman for sharing this
information.

--Mike

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From: Loren Coleman <lcolema1@m...>
Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 2:45pm
Subject: BREAKING NEWS : New animal discovered in Bosnia

Breaking: New (?) Animal claimed from Zenica, Bosnia - Dateline 15 February
2001 // Zenica, Bosnia

Zack Clothier has passed along information he has received from a contact
near Zenica, Bosnia. Please examine the photograph of this animal to see
if any identifying data can be assumed. The report is of an unknown or
newly identified animal that was found in Jalija two days ago. (Jalija is a
historic part of Zenica, an old town in central Bosnia.)

Can anyone add any insights to this "news."

Thank you
Loren Coleman
http://www.lorencoleman.com

Rupture: Nouvel (?) animal réclamé de Zenica, Bosnie - / de Dateline 15
février 2001 / Zenica, Bosnie Le drapier de Zack a passé le long de
l'information qu'il a reçue d'un contact près de Zenica, Bosnie. Veuillez
examiner la photographie de cet animal pour voir si n'importe quelles
données d' identification peuvent être assumées. L'état est d'un inconnu ou
d'un animal nouvellement identifié qui a été trouvé dans Jalija il y a deux
jours. (Jalija est une partie historique de Zenica, d'une vieille ville en
Bosnie centrale.) Le bidon n'importe qui ajoutent toutes les perspicacités à
ces " nouvelles. "

Merci
Loren Coleman
http://www.lorencoleman.com

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The message Zack received was in Croatian. It is followed by his rough
translation
    ----------------
    zenicki "Slucaj X"

    NA JALIJI PRONADENA ZIVOTINJA NEPOZNATE VRSTE Vijest o pronalasku
zivotinje nepoznate vrste u zenickom naselju Jalija uznemirila je ovdasnju
javnost. Zivotinja, koju je pronasao bivsi nogometas Damir Brdarac, u ulici
Jalijski put ispred sportske kladinice «Bet-shop», na nasim prostorima
nikada ranije nije videna.
    «Prema onom sto se vidi, dakle karakteristicnoj glavi, jakim nogama,
repu, te prstima, pretpostavljamo da se radi o nekoj vrsti izmedu vodozemca
i sisavca. Lici na neku vrstu gustera sa kojom se mi dosad nismo sreli.
Zivotinja nije mutant, niti bilo kakva domaca ili divlja zivotinja sa
malformacijama», stav je zenickih veterinara.

    Zivotinja je pronadena u blizini sahta pa i to dodatno uznemiruje
javnost. Uz preporuku da najbolju ocjenu mogu dati strucnjaci sa
Poljoprivrednog, odnosno Veterinarskog fakulteta u Sarajevu, veterinari su
novinarima kazali da ova zivotinja veoma lici na kostur nepoznate zivotinje
pronadene ranije na tavanu jedne kuce u Visokom. /15.02.01/
    ---------------

Zack's translation:

    [zenièki] "time X"

    AT AN JALIJI PRONA<ETH>ENA BEAST UNKNOWN VRSTE

    Message about [pronalasku] [zivotinje] unknown [vrste] into a
    [zenièkom] [naselju] [Jalija] [uznemirila] had [ovdasnju] world.
    Beast, [koju] had [pronasao] sometime soccer player [Damir] [Brdarac],
    into a [ulici] [Jalijski] way leading [sportske] [kladinice]
    [«Bet]-[shop»], at an ours capacity never at an earlier time is not
    worshipful.
    [«Prema] [onom] which does lift up the eyes, hence characteristically
    [glavi], [jakim] leg, [repu], these finger, [pretpostavljamo] yes we
    do does is doing about [nekoj] [vrsti] betwixt [vodozemca] plus
    [sisavca]. [Lièi] at an [neku] the type of lizard from an [kojom]
    does we yet [nismo] [sreli]. Beast is not mutant, ravel whether
    [kakva] home or [divlja] beast from an [malformacijama»], line had
    [zenièkih] veterinarian.

    Beast had [prona<eth>ena] near site shaft then plus this in addition
    [uznemiruje] world. Hard by [preporuku] yes we do [najbolju] [ocjenu]
    [mogu] let experts from an [Poljoprivrednog], relatively [Veterinarskog]
    faculty into a [Sarajevu], veterinarian have been journalist [kazali]
    yes we do this beast highly [lièi] at an carcass unknown [zivotinje]
    [prona<eth>ene] at an earlier time at an attic [jedne] [kuæe] into a
    Highly. 15..0201/
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Some proffesional translators gave this rough translation;

    X-file from Zenica - Unknown Animal Species Found in Jalija

    AN UNKNOWN ANIMAL FOUND IN JALIJA. The news of the finding of an animal
of unknown species in the Jalija district of Zenica has disturbed the
public. The animal, found by an ex-football player Damir Brdarac, in Jalija
road street in front of a sports bet-shop "Bet-shop", has never been seen in
this part of the world.
    "According to what can be seen, which is a characteristic head, strong
legs,
    tail and chest, we suppose it is a species between amphibians and
mammals. It
    looks like a lizard we have never seen before. The animal is not a
mutant, or
    any kind of domestic or wild animal with malformations", claim Zenica
vets.

    The animal was found in the vicinity of a manhole, which additonally
disturbs
    the public. Stating that the best results can be given by experts of the
    Agricultural or Veterinary School of the University of Sarajevo, the
vets told
    the reporters that this animal looked like the skeleton of an unknown
animal
    previously found in the attic of a
    house in Visoko.
    ------------------
UN ANIMAL INCONNU A TROUVÉ DANS JALIJA. Les nouvelles de la conclusion d'un
animal d'espèce inconnue dans la zone de Jalija de Zenica ont dérangé le
public. L'animal, trouvé par un joueur d'ex-football Damir Brdarac, dans la
rue de route de Jalija devant des sports parier-font des emplettes "
Parier-font des emplettes ", n'a été jamais vu dans la présente partie du
monde. " selon ce qui peut être vu, qui est des jambes caractéristiques, une
queue et un coffre principaux et forts, nous supposons que c'est une espèce
entre les amphibies et les mammifères. Il ressemble un lézard que nous
n'avons avant jamais vu. L'animal n'est pas un mutant, ou aucun genre
d'animal domestique ou sauvage avec des malformations ", des vétérinaires de
Zenica de réclamation. L'animal a été trouvé à proximité d'un trou d'homme,
qui dérange additonally le public. Déclarant que les meilleurs résultats
peuvent être donnés par des experts de l'école agricole ou vétérinaire de
l'université de Sarajevo, les vétérinaires ont dit aux journalistes que cet
animal a ressemblé le squelette d'un animal inconnu précédemment trouvé dans
le grenier d'une maison dans Visoko.

Attachment zenicaAnimal.jpg 134k

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From: mott@m...
Date: Fri Feb 16, 2001 9:28pm
Subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS : New animal discovered in Bosnia

--- In chupacabra@y..., Loren Coleman <lcolema1@m...> wrote:

Breaking: New (?) Animal claimed from Zenica, Bosnia -

Dateline 15 February

2001 // Zenica, Bosnia

Zack Clothier has passed along information he has received

from a contact

near Zenica, Bosnia. Please examine the photograph of this

animal to see

if any identifying data can be assumed. The report is of an

unknown or

newly identified animal that was found in Jalija two days ago.

(Jalija is a

historic part of Zenica, an old town in central Bosnia.)

Can anyone add any insights to this "news."

Thank you
Loren Coleman
http://www.lorencoleman.com

This is one of the most fascinating things I have ever seen. Is
there any way to verify that this is a real creature, perhaps by
having a veterniarian or zoologist examine it?

As I've pointed out in THE DEEP DWELLERS and other articles,
and as both the creature's apparent (or assumed) manhole
origin and hairless (yet mostly mammalian, judging by the
physiology) condition, this might be the strongest evidence yet
that a largely unsuspected aspect of our biosphere may lie
underground. Subterranean forms like this exist in both ancient
folklore and contemporary accounts, and this form looks VERY
similar to the the creature "killed" or found in South or Central
America recently (note the shape of skull, teeth, body, haunches,
etc.), which supposedly originated "in a cave."

Loren, please keep us posted on this information as it comes in.
And thanks very much for posting this!

--Mike

CAVERNS, CAULDRONS, AND CONCEALED CREATURES

http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/cartwebtv/item111.html

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--- In chupacabra@y..., mott@m... wrote:

This is one of the most fascinating things I have ever seen. Is
there any way to verify that this is a real creature, perhaps by
having a veterniarian or zoologist examine it?

Excuse my excitement, I see that veterinarians DID examine it.

They state that it is "between amphibian and mammal." This could be what?
A reptile? A mammal-like reptile? A therapsid like "dinogorgon?" It must
be endothermic (warm-blooded), to be considered even partially mammalian by
the vets.

I'd certainly like to see more data on it. I hope they preserve this one
and it doesn't get lost, destroyed, or disappear.

--Mike

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Mike Mott,

About this subterranian beast which they found- this is one reason
why I have lost my enthusiasm for cave exploration and such. I mean,
I never got into it, but I was considering some type of exploration
of the cave in Sao Tomé das Letras in Brazil, which ain´t far from
me. It is a vortex opening like the one in Oregon. But who knows what
kinds of beasts lie below, not only four-legged ones, but the two-
legged variety which you bring up in your book.

I read about a chupacabra once that abruptly disappeared in a flat,
open terrain in Austrailia, so where did it come from? Really down
under, as in down underneath your feet, I guess.

Dharma/Dean

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Mike Mott,

About this subterranian beast which they found- this is one reason
why I have lost my enthusiasm for cave exploration and such. I mean,
I never got into it, but I was considering some type of exploration
of the cave in Sao Tom� das Letras in Brazil, which ain�t far from
me. It is a vortex opening like the one in Oregon. But who knows what
kinds of beasts lie below, not only four-legged ones, but the two-
legged variety which you bring up in your book.

Dean,

What does it take to convince you that most of these things are not material
animals like you want to believe they are. I know of a story of a man who
encountered a black winged creature roosted in a tree on his farm. He shot
it with his shotgun and it dematerialized into a thick black cloud which
stunk worse than anything he had ever smelled before.
I think the Chupacabra is more of this variety of creature. Doubtful there
was a convenient escape hole in the ground for that Chupacabra in flat open
Australian terrain. More likely it dematerialized. If this notion hasn't
taken root in you guys by now I guess it never will.

Sean

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----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 4:25 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Subterranian Beast

I read about a chupacabra once that abruptly disappeared in a flat,
open terrain in Austrailia, so where did it come from? Really down
under, as in down underneath your feet, I guess.

Dharma/Dean

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This reply is to both Dean and Sean.

> Mike Mott,
>
> About this subterranian beast which they found- this is one

reason

> why I have lost my enthusiasm for cave exploration and such.

I mean,

> I never got into it, but I was considering some type of

exploration

> of the cave in Sao Tomé das Letras in Brazil, which ain´t far

from

> me. It is a vortex opening like the one in Oregon. But who

knows what

> kinds of beasts lie below, not only four-legged ones, but the

two-

> legged variety which you bring up in your book.

Dean,

Yes, dangerous encounters of this sort have been described by
many people. "Branton" recounts many of these in his work, and
sometimes touches on the fact that some of types of
subterranean beings seem to have an interchangeability
between physical and ethereal (spiritual) reality. Others,
however do not, such as the creature in the picture. Also,
evidence indicates that El Chupacabras is a VERY PHYSICAL,
probably hybrid (possibly genetically-engineered) being. I
recommend Scott Corrales' excellent book, the best on the topic,
called "Chupacabras and Other Mysteries."

What does it take to convince you that most of these things are

not material

animals like you want to believe they are. I know of a story of a

man who

encountered a black winged creature roosted in a tree on his

farm. He shot

it with his shotgun and it dematerialized into a thick black cloud

which

stunk worse than anything he had ever smelled before.
I think the Chupacabra is more of this variety of creature.

Doubtful there

was a convenient escape hole in the ground for that

Chupacabra in flat open

Australian terrain. More likely it dematerialized. If this notion

hasn't

taken root in you guys by now I guess it never will.

Sean

Sean, if you read my research and that of many other people,
you'll find that such beings run the gamut from a purely animal
physicality, to an ability to change density (perhaps due to an
alternate evolution, or an intentional design, for dealing with
differing pressures between the surface world and various
underworld regions), to the purely spiritual and demonic (this
latter type still capable of being visible to human sight if they
wish, or attaining some sort of temporary physical form). All of
these are the source of many of the legends of fairies, monsters,
demons, etc. which haunt human folklore, history, and religion,
as well as our collective unconscious.

Over two decades ago, I also thought that such things were
purely spiritual in nature. After over twenty years of researching
these manifestations, encounters, folk, victim, and witness
accounts, etc., and noting that physical evidence (like the animal
in the photograph) does come to light upon occasion, I no longer
hold to a view of the "purely physical."

Evidence like the thing in the photo, in my opinion, indicates the
beginning of many strange, horrifying developments which have
all been foretold or prophesied in many traditions.

In addition to the emergence of those things from "the pit" which
has been opened (as described in Revelation, wherein which
PHYSICAL, destructive beings or demons are released), or is
opening (perhaps due to the quakes) into the surface world,
there will be a great increase in earthquakes and storms (due to
the approach of a large, mostly unknown heavenly body called
Nibiru/Planet X, and its electromagnetic effect upon the sun's
outer layers and coronal mass ejections, the electronmagnetic
particle "sea" in which the planets float, etc.). The "heavenly"
things affect earthly events as well as the infernal/subterranean.

Watch for a revival of one of the biggest sins of the
Nephilim/Annunaki, as described in the Apocrypha and hinted at
in the current version of the Bible: genetic engineering which
mixes human and animal DNA. It's already being experimented
with by human scientists and rogue scientists, and it's only a
matter of time (the VIABLE pig-human hybrid embryo created in
Australia a few months ago was supposedly destroyed, but it
could happen again). Richard Shaver talked about this as well,
as having been done in the distant past, by those who are now
"trapped" (like the imprisoned Biblical Nephilim--an obvious
parallel) beneath the surface. Also watch for serious problems,
from human scientists and madmen, with cloning and the
creation of super-strains of old diseases, like smallpox.

Things are about to get weirder than fiction on planet Earth, in
the next few years.

IMO.

--Mike

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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., mott@m... wrote:

This reply is to both Dean and Sean.

Over two decades ago, I also thought that such things were
purely spiritual in nature. After over twenty years of researching
these manifestations, encounters, folk, victim, and witness
accounts, etc., and noting that physical evidence (like the

animal

in the photograph) does come to light upon occasion, I no

longer

hold to a view of the "purely physical."

Of course I meant, "purely spiritual,'' not physical. This is a very
complex phenomenon.

--Mike