PHOENIX FIVE EARTH CHANGE BULLETINS
May 16, 2001 by MW Mandeville
ITEM(S): Atlantis Is Rising!
http://www.sightings.com/general10/pyramidsroads.htm
Rense.com
'Pyramids, Roads And Buildings'
Found At 2200' In Caribbean?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/573489.asp
5-16-1
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Leslee: I checked out these sites. They were very good. I caught a little on TV one day when they were exploring the waters under Cuba. The History channel was airing the old In Search Of program for a while with Leonard Nimoy. They showed the Bimini wall and one Doctor said he retrieved a crystal ball from a pyramid underwater. He demonstrated that a wand with a metal weight would levitate above the ball. A flat topped pyramid under water just off the coast of Florida,was shown on The Jupiter Menace. From: Ralph
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Pyramids, Roads & Building in Caribbean
PHOENIX FIVE EARTH CHANGE BULLETINS
May 16, 2001 by MW Mandeville
ITEM(S): Atlantis Is Rising!
http://www.sightings.com/general10/pyramidsroads.htmRense.com
'Pyramids, Roads And Buildings'Found At 2200' In Caribbean?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/573489.asp5-16-1
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Leslee,
Here is a piece from that article:
" SEARCHING FOR A LOST CITY
Most intriguingly, researchers using sonar equipment have
discovered, at a depth of about 2,200 feet (700-800 meters), a huge
land plateau with clear images of what appears to be urban
development partly covered by sand. From above, the shapes resemble
pyramids, roads and buildings."
Leslee-
You know, this and any other deep, underwater constructions suggests
vertical plate movement, at least in the sense that some undergroud
cavern collapsed and dry land went under. They say that the whole
Gulf of Mexico was above water at one point.
If land masses can drop like this, then this could explain lower sea
levels- when the land mass was higher, the level of the oceans was
higher, too. Have any othe land masses dropped?
According to Cater´s scheme, what would account for plate movement,
vertical or horizontal, would be electrostatic force which builds up
beneath plates and along plate lines in condenser-like fashion,
fueled by soft particle penetration, which breaks up below and
releases the electrical hard particle within.
By the way, that virus got my computer. I´m on somebody elses. If I
have correspondence pending, wait a little. I might have my computerr
up by tonight.
Dharma/Dean
From:
Ralph McCormick
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Pyramids, Roads & Building in Caribbean
<Leslee: I checked out these sites. They were very good. I caught a little on TV one day when they were exploring the waters under Cuba. The History channel was airing the old In Search Of program for a while with Leonard Nimoy. They showed the Bimini wall and one Doctor said he retrieved a crystal ball from a pyramid underwater. He demonstrated that a wand with a metal weight would levitate above the ball. A flat topped pyramid under water just off the coast of Florida,was shown on The Jupiter Menace. From: Ralph>
Ralph: I would love to have that crystal ball that was found. I wonder if the doctor would ever sell in? NOT--but if he did, I wonder what the price for something like that would be.
I thought the finds beneath the Caribbean were interesting. The whole city sounded intriguing. I wonder how long they are going to continue exploring down there.
Leslee
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Deno: They claim there is a lot of evidence of an impact crater in the
Gulf of Mexico, like a comet or meteor hit there. I was thinking of one of
our previous moons may have crashed there. I have one article claiming that
this is what killed the dinosaurs, but what if it happened more recently
like 15 to 20 thousand years ago. The Blue Hole of Belize is a large
circular cave system that was above water, but now under sea. The
stalagtites started growing at a crooked angle roughly that long ago they
said. I do think there was a big impact in the area . From: Ralph
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Sunken Pyramids and Viruses
Leslee,
Here is a piece from that article:
" SEARCHING FOR A LOST CITY
Most intriguingly, researchers using sonar equipment have
discovered, at a depth of about 2,200 feet (700-800 meters), a huge
land plateau with clear images of what appears to be urban
development partly covered by sand. From above, the shapes resemble
pyramids, roads and buildings."Leslee-
You know, this and any other deep, underwater constructions suggests
vertical plate movement, at least in the sense that some undergroud
cavern collapsed and dry land went under. They say that the whole
Gulf of Mexico was above water at one point.If land masses can drop like this, then this could explain lower sea
levels- when the land mass was higher, the level of the oceans was
higher, too. Have any othe land masses dropped?According to Cater�s scheme, what would account for plate movement,
vertical or horizontal, would be electrostatic force which builds up
beneath plates and along plate lines in condenser-like fashion,
fueled by soft particle penetration, which breaks up below and
releases the electrical hard particle within.By the way, that virus got my computer. I�m on somebody elses. If I
have correspondence pending, wait a little. I might have my computerr
up by tonight.Dharma/Dean
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Deno: They claim there is a lot of evidence of an impact crater in the
Gulf of Mexico, like a comet or meteor hit there. I was thinking of one
of
our previous moons may have crashed there. I have one article claiming
that
this is what killed the dinosaurs, but what if it happened more recently
like 15 to 20 thousand years ago.
Ralph,
What if the electrostatic tension holding up the plates ws distrubed,
possibly onpurpose, and that area caved in? talk about weapons of mass
destruction.
Dharma/Dean
I bet you all thought that the entrance to Shambala was in Tibet. Not so- it
is in Brazil. Check out the pics!
# : ^ )
http://www.galebimoveis.com.br
Dean
" Apelike wildmen " have been reported in Central America. Here is section
10.6 from " Forbidden Archaeology " on the subject:
http://nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu/~ghi/fa.html
10.6 CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
Apelike wildmen are also reported in southern Mexico and throughout Central
America. In White Indians of Darien, Richard Oglesby Marsh said a man told
him that in 1920 he had killed a humanlike animal in Central America. In
Buckskin Joe, Edward Jonathan Hoyt reported an encounter he had in 1898 in
Honduras. A large, apelike creature, about 5 feet tall, crawled over the end
of his bunk. Hoyt killed the animal, which resembled a human (Green 1978, p.
133).
From southern Mexico's tropical forests come accounts of beings called the
Sisimite. Wendell Skousen, a geologist, said the people of Cubulco in Baja
Verapaz reported: "There live in the mountains very big, wild men,
completely clothed in short, thick, brown, hairy fur, with no necks, small
eyes, long arms and huge hands. They leave footprints twice the length of a
man's." Several persons said that they had been chased down mountainsides by
the Sisimite. Skousen thought the creatures, which were said to travel
sometimes on two legs and sometimes on all four, may have been bears.
However, upon questioning the natives carefully, he wrote: "it looked like a
bear, but it wasn't from the description that they gave?no conspicuous ears,
no `snout"' (Sanderson 1961, p. 159). Similar creatures are reported in
Guatemala, where, it has been said, they kidnap women and children
(Sanderson 1961, pp. 161?162).
People in Belize (formerly British Honduras) speak of semi?human creatures
called Dwendis, which inhabit the jungles in the southern part of their
country. The name Dwendi comes from the Spanish word Duende, meaning
"goblin." Ivan Sanderson, who conducted research in Belize, wrote ( 1961,
pp. 164-165 ): "Dozens told me of having seen them, and these were mostly
men of substance who had worked for responsible organizations like the
Forestry Department and who had, in several cases, been schooled or trained
either in Europe or the United States. One, a junior forestry officer born
locally, described in great detail two of these little creatures that he had
suddenly noticed quietly watching him on several occasions at the edge of
the forestry reserve near the foot of the Maya Mountains .... These little
folk were described as being between three foot six and four foot six, well
proportioned but with very heavy shoulders and rather long arms, clothed in
thick, tight, close brown hair looking like that of a short?coated dog;
having very flat yellowish faces but head?hair no longer than the body hair
except down the back of the neck and midback." The Dwendis appear to
represent a species different from the large Sasquatch of the Pacific
Northwest of North America.
Most of Sanderson's informants told him that the Dwendis carried what
appeared to be dried palm leaves or some kind of large hatlike object over
their heads. Sanderson (1961, p. 165) observed: "This at first sounds like
the silliest thing, but when one has heard it from highly educated men as
well as from simple peasants, and all over an area as great as that from
Peten [southern Mexico] to Nicaragua, one begins to wonder." He then pointed
out: "There are many Mayan bas?reliefs that show pairs of tiny little men
with big hats but no clothes, standing among trees and amid the vast legs of
demi?gods, priests, and warriors. They are also much smaller than the
peasants bearing gifts to the temples" (Sanderson 1961, p. 166).
From the Guianas region of South America come accounts of wildmen called
Didis. Early explorers heard reports about them from the Indians, who said
they were about five feet tall, walked erect, and were covered with thick
black hair.
In 1931, Nelloc Beccari, an anthropologist from Italy, heard an account of
the Didi from Mr. Haines, the Resident Magistrate in British Guiana.
Heuvelmans gave this summary of what Haines related to Beccari: "Haines told
him that he had come upon a couple of di?di many years before when he was
prospecting for gold. In 1910 he was going through the forest along the
Konawaruk, a tributary which joins the Essequibo just above its junction
with the Potaro, when he suddenly came upon two strange creatures, which
stood up on their hind feet when they saw him. They had human features but
were entirely covered with reddish brown fur .... the two creatures
retreated slowly and disappeared into the forest" (Sanderson 1961, pp.
179?180).
After giving many similar accounts in his book about wildmen, Sanderson
(1961, p. 181) stated: "The most significant single fact about these reports
from Guiana is that never once has any local person?nor any person reporting
what a local person says?so much as indicated that these creatures are just
`monkeys.' In all cases they have specified that they are tailless, erect,
and have human attributes."
From the eastern slopes of the Andes in Ecuador come reports of the Shiru, a
small fur?covered hominidlike creature, about 4 to 5 feet tall (Sanderson
1961, p. 166). In Brazil, people tell of the large apelike Mapinguary, which
leaves giant humanlike footprints and is said to kill cattle (Sanderson
1961, p. 174).
To: List Members
From: Dharma/Dean
Dick,
I just got a post out on our list and earlier I worked on one for
fantasticrealities. I'll respond to you and Scott in the morning, it is off
to look at Mars right now. What a clear night, and there is little wind.
About David Pratt's book, on the whole, I like it, although I disagree with
some ideas he has on Arctic stuff and with some of his ideas on the aurorae.
But that's ok, everyone gets to have their ideas. When you put stuff up, it
has to stand or fall based on its own merit. People are going to make
comments. Discussion on these points is good.
Don't worry if most of the list members don't say much, though. I rarely get
answers, if you think about it. It is only a certain group that responds.
Most people just want to expose themselves to the ideas and take their time,
which is fine, too, I guess. Really, I can't believe how some of the things
I say go without comment, but it's no big deal. I'm on a UFO list which I
appreciate, and I don't comment much.
It's a list forum- you speak your piece. David Pratt is welcome here, too.
Dharma/Dean
Members,
The following is from Pratt's Part One, and is consistent with Cater's idea
that soft particles release harder ones, which have been captured within,
and which give off heat, as they go through the crust of the Earth,
experiencing friction of various kinds.
Dean
David Pratt:
It is generally assumed that temperature increases with depth, reaching
1000�C at a depth of about 80 km, 4800�C at the core-mantle boundary, and
6900�C at the earth's centre. It is certainly true that mine shafts and oil
drilling operations have indicated significant increases of temperature with
depth. Indeed, superdeep drilling has shown that temperature increases with
depth far more rapidly than predicted. In the Kola borehole, the temperature
at 10-km depth was 180�C rather than the expected 100�C. Measurements
revealed significant vertical variations in temperature gradient and
heat-flux density along the borehole. Overall, the rate of temperature
increase rose from 11� to 24�/km down to a depth of nearly 7 km, and then
started to decline.
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Shambhala
access
Dean,
About the size of Mars AND David Pratt's online book....
Commenting about your earlier note to Mike: "...a width of 375
miles would make Olympus Mons about 11 % of the diameter of the
planet..." Amazing! Cater may be very right that Mars - and
other bodies - are actually much larger than popularly
believed.
Dean, YOU alerted us to DAVID PRATT'S latest URL, his online
book: "MYSTERIES OF THE INNER EARTH." Excellent stuff. I
FINALLY printed off and read all 4 chapters. This guy is a first rate
researcher. Voluminos references at the end of each chapter
(including numerous from Mike Mott, Lamprecht and Cater.)
Pratt's first chapter "The Solid Earth Hypothosis"
thoroughly covers most of the beliefs embraced today by orthodox
scientists. And (as he did so well in his earlier excellent piece on
"Gravity"), Pratt "kindly" but effectively dumps many of
their beliefs, "tectonic plates," among them. That first chapter
is a science primer EVERYONE (on list or off) should read. Complete
absence of any comments by others so far, surprises me. Apparently
other list members have not yet read Pratt's online book! But I'm
assuming YOU, Dean, have by now also read all 4 chapters.
Like Chapter One, Pratt's second Chapter "The Hollow Earth
Hypothesis" also "kindly" but effectively dumps many of the
assertions in past HE books, including Etidorpha, but especially
writings by Marshall Gardner. Chapter Two alone will not win
adherents to those authors' HE ideas. Pratt MAY be very disturbing to
the beliefs of some members about the HE. But if we're all honest,
every list member should read the chapter and assess what Pratt has
written, for themselves.
Pratt also "dumps" some HE assertions in Chapter 3, "Polar
Puzzles," but does supports some.
He redeems himself in Chapter 4, "Mythology, Paradise and the
Innner World."
From Thosophical, Buddhist and Hindu writings (all familiar to
Dean) he presents much to enhance the existence of mystical - yet
possibly physically real - lands and peoples in an inner earth.
If anyone has not saved the Pratt URL(s) you gave us, here they
are again...
Mysteries of the Inner Earth
by David Pratt
May 2001 (I listed the
individual URLs for each chapter)...
Part 1: The Solid Earth
Hypothesis
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/inner1.htm
Part 2: The Hollow Earth
Hypothesis
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/inner2.htm
Part 3: Polar Puzzles
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/inner3.htm
Part 4: Mythology, Paradise, and the Inner
World
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/inner4.htm
Also, Dean... Although Pratt is
obviously completely unknowing (like 99+%) about the 5 books of James
Churchward, I was amazed to find his first chapter SUPPORTING (or at
least not contradicting) most of Churchward's Scientific
notions! Since you haven't read them all (and may never) you
have only my word for this. Had Pratt been fully aware of what
Churchward wrote, I think those ideas would have been a part of
Chapter One, pro and possibly con.
Churchward's conceptions on Gravity, Heat, Light, etc,
apparently DIFFER from Cater's. But not as much as both differ with
the currently accepted notions of orthodox science. I haven't yet
reconciled Cater's "soft particles" and "hard particles"
theory with Churchward's "4 primary Forces" regulating the
universe. Maybe they can't be reconciled. What is important is which
man's concepts BETTER explain most of Earth's physical phenomena.
Though admittedly deficient in most of Cater's views, from those YOU
have presented so far, I am still of the opinion that Churchward's
concepts BETTER explain MOST physical phenomena... including
electromagnetic. Had Churchward lived beyond 1936, he surely would
have revised - and enhanced - his earlier beliefs. But BASICS would
still apply.
Possibly "old" Churchward is back now, as some scientist
we've not heard of, aware of his past as Churchward, or not. If he
is, I hope the guy (or gal) surfaces sometime soon, before I depart.
Still one of THE greatest unrecognized scientific minds of the past
century, in my humble opinion.
P.S. The NAGAS (Naacal Priests) were NOT serpent worshippers as
some continue to write. The serpent was only a SYMBOL for the Creator
in action.
Also, in that recent email piece, Childress wrote that the
Indian RAMA civilization dates back 15,000 years. Even so, Dean, you
seem to suggest the Indo Europeans (Aryans?) may have arrived much
earlier. 15,000 years back? Not 2,000 to 3,000 years back? That's a
real stretch.
You probably DIDN'T thoroughly read (or read much at all in)
those two Churchward "Children of MU" historical chapters (India
and the great Uighur Empire) I sent earlier by email. Like Childress
about the RAMAs 15,000 ago, Churchward wrote of India's advanced
civilizations 25,000 years back. And what he termed "Hindu"
literature dated back long before the Uighur (Aryan) remnants arrived
after departing the mountains for the plains of India and other
areas. The Medes and Persians were also OTHER (Aryan) separated
Uighur mountain remnants that came down from the mountains in
different areas, according to Churchward... none of them out of a
hole in the north pole. There may be a populated hollow earth, but it
appears quite unlikely that was where the Aryans came from, in my
opinion.
Churchward, writing of the great Uighur Empire, stretching from
the Pacific to about Moscow today, wrote that they also had outposts
or small sub colonies throughout Europe all the way to Ireland and
Spain (possible ancestors of the Basques). This was long BEFORE the
mountains were uplifted by subterranean gas belts mostly between
15,000 to 12,000 years back. Like half the Asian Uighur Empre that
was earlier drowned at the same time by north moving waves (without
ice), many of those European Uighur outposts may have been wiped out
when the waves of water (with ice), from the last "magnetic
cataclysm," swept down over the pole south onto the western parts
of northern Europe around 17,000 years past. Some obviously
survived.
If Churchward's "history" is correct, the half of the Asian
Uighur people that did not drown from the earlier magnetic cataclysm
waves in Asia, were killed by the millions when the Mountains were
shoved up. Only handfuls survived in valleys uplifted with the
mountains. In austere conditions, over thousands of years those
Uighur Aryans multiplied and eventually came down to the replenished
plains of India, the middle east, and spread westward across all
parts of Europe. If Churchward was right, we now know HOW and from
WHERE most of the "Aryans" originated. - Dick
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Shambhala access
Dick,
Yes, he does this well, but it is more a matte of establishing a positive HE model than dumping the solid planetmodel.
DD
Pratt's first chapter "The Solid Earth Hypothosis" thoroughly covers most of the beliefs embraced today by orthodox scientists. And (as he did so well in his earlier excellent piece on "Gravity"), Pratt "kindly" but effectively dumps many of their beliefs, "tectonic plates," among them. That first chapter is a science primer EVERYONE (on list or off) should read. Complete absence of any comments by others so far, surprises me. Apparently other list members have not yet read Pratt's online book! But I'm assuming YOU, Dean, have by now also read all 4 chapters.
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Shambhala access
People,
Let us put up appropriate titles on our posts.
DD
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Shambhala access
If anyone has not saved the Pratt URL(s) you gave us, here they are again...
** Mysteries of the Inner Earth by David Pratt**
May 2001 (I listed the individual URLs for each chapter)...
** Part 1: The Solid Earth Hypothesis**
List Members-
Here is something that I picked up from David pratt's section # 1:
" The more we learn about the crust and uppermost mantle, the more the models presented in geological textbooks are exposed as simplistic and unrealistic. The outermost layers of the earth have a highly complex, irregular, inhomogeneous structure; they are divided by faults into a mosaic of separate, jostling blocks of different shapes and sizes, generally a few hundred kilometres across, and of varying internal structure and strength. This fact, in conjunction with the existence of deep continental roots and the absence of a global asthenosphere, means that the notion of huge rigid plates moving thousands of kilometres across the earth is simply untenable. Continents are about as mobile as a brick in a wall! "
What he is sayingstrongly supports the idea ofVertical plate movement, up and down, instead of continental drift. I am very open to this idea, personally.
I am thinking that it would actually be good for us to read his Part One. It outlines the solid Earth model, the hollow Earth model, and highlights some differences.
DD
Dean...
The following is odd. From WorldNetDaily this AM is a report that the Red Chinese government is targeting the nearly half million UIGHUR people, as "criminals and separatists." 480 have already been executed for those "crimes."
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22883
Until this I wasn't even aware the UIGHUR name was still in use anywhere. Interesting because James Churchward wrote that some pre-mountains, pre-magnetic-cataclysm (flood) Uighurs in Asia (the Aryans) married certain of the Chinese. Not the yellow coolie types, but those with white skins. (Picky people)
- Dick Fojut.