List Members,
Here is a piece of a conversation that I recently had with someone about the article below.
Dean
Beginning:
"They speak about wobbling and in terms of a Pole shift because they think they don't know what the magnetic pole is. It is an outflow of energies from the interior, through an orifice, a hole. The flow consists of particles from the Sun that were captured inside and which built up inside, until the situation forces a discharge. If you overcharge a battery, the same situation results.
The flow of energy sloshes out. But thanks to the increased activity of the Sun, as evidenced by sunspot activity and solar flares and such, the flow rate has increased. When the flow rate of a river increases, new channels can be carved and some stretches of what previously were riverbeds become dried up.
At this point, the increased flow rate of energies out of thepolar openings have simply seen the current, the outflow, slide over to a different point of the lip of the orifice. Let's say that the flow is sloshing out of a different side now.
The problem is that they misinterpret this as a magnetic pole that is moving and that will go as far as causing a pole shift, such that the planet will go topsy turvy or something. This conclusion is simply the result of their poor fund of information, i.e., they don't know what causes the supposedly magnetic pole. " End
Earth's Magnetic Field Wobbles to the East
Ediotr's Noe: This may be the most important item that ZS Livingstone has ever posted at educate-yourself.org, as the event described below will affect everyone on the planet. If enough people become aware of the impending magnetic pole shift and its ramifications as explained here, we can avoid a great deal of apprehension and fear that will surely follow in the wake of this event. Our Illuminated governments and Doom & Gloom promulgators, in general, will seize upon this event as a sure sign of the 'Wrath of God" or the "End Times" British Israel hoax or an inbound rogue planet, or perhaps assign blame to extraterrestrial forces, a la Project Blue Beam, and use that as an excuse to attempt to consolidate all political power under a single, One World Government nightmare administered by the Illuminated Satanists of Zion in order to "protect" us. But we're not going to allow the fear promoters and government liars to seize this liberating event in order to further promote their control and enslavement agendas. To be forewarned is to be prepared: physically, psychologically, and emotionally. Spread the word. ..Ken Adachi]
By Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/magneticfieldwobble27mar13.shtml
March 27, 2013
Earth's Magnetic Field Wobbles to the East by ZS Livingstone (March 27, 2013)
re. http://www.spaceweather.com/
The Auroral Oval is the truest indicator of where the North Magnetic Pole is from day to day.
Yesterday it was north of Michigan. Last week, it was north of Minnesota. Today it is north of Maine. The actual North Magnetic Pole is 2500 miles beneath the surface of the earth. The wobble is a day to day rotation under the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. At this time it is under Greenland. Tomorrow, it might be under Ellesmere Island.
The few articles I have seen state the North Magnetic Pole is drifting westward towards eastern Siberia. Supposedly the magnetic field lines emerge from the centre of the earth in the Beaufort Sea north of Alaska. This Auroral Oval shows the extrapolated Aurora Borealis a thousand miles to the east.
The huge shift has done nothing towards destabilizing the spin of the earth, nor has it caused crustal slippage and massive earthquakes worldwide. The magnetic energies and the electrical energies of the aurora are huge, but only a tiny fraction of the energy held by the spin of the earth. The earth's magnetic field is about a half of a Gauss (0.5 gauss) and is important for the positioning of the Van Allen Belts in which the lower astral realms reside. When the earth's magnetic field shuts down in the not too distant future, the astral realms will collapse. This will not bring disasters upon the earth as most of the densified aether has been removed in the past few years and the one's who created the dark material are gone too.
The earth's magnetic field will be "off" for a brief time and then reverse with the South Magnetic Field near the North Pole. During the hiatus, aurora will be seen at all latitudes after sunset and before sunrise. The earth's atmosphere will expand slightly and gravity will increase slightly. Many satellites will spiral downward. The International Space station will need extra fuel to stay in orbit. Geosynchronous satellites will drift from their positions. TV broadcast will be affected.
All these events were planned a long time ago. Mother Earth herself is making the changes as smoothly as possible. She has long wanted to rid herself of the parasites. She is shaking off the fleas. Humanity will benefit as the hypnotic thraldom placed upon humanity will be erased. Man and Woman will be able to make their life decisions without interference.
Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone
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From: silopanna <[email protected]>
To: Rasamanjari Devi dasi <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: gold mud
Rasamanjari Mataji,
One thing that Shrila Prabhupad did say about the astronomers, in a recorded lecture, was "They are hardly conversant about the planet that they are living on."
Shrila Prabhupad didn't teach anything except Krishna directly; we didn't even learn much about Shiva, Ganesh, or other avatars, we hardly know other avatar's pastimes; only Krishna, Krishna, Krishna. So what do you expect?
Do I accept Shrila Prabhupad's descriptions about how many miles from Earth the Sun and Moon are? The Bhagavat describes that the Moon is further away, right? I am doubtful about this. TheMoon may have been further away during Vedic times, but now now. Remember, the planets and stars have moved since the Vedic descriptions. And I have seen that small telescopes show good detail of lunar topography, such as mountains and such, while I haven't seen such detail on the Sun. And it seems that the Moon passes in front of the Sun in order to cause eclipses, such that it would have to be closer. I conclude that the Moon occupies a different orbit now than before.
Photons don't pass through the crust into the hollow world; not in their form as photons. But every other type of solar particle passes right through. However, assume that solar particles are composed of photons, that they are photon aggragates. As these photon aggragates/solar particles pass through the Earth's crust, some of them slow down because of resistance and become groggy, so to speak, and get captured in the hollow cavity, where they bounce around; and fragment into their consituent photon particles, thus illuminating the hollow world!
Haven't you seen pictures of the auroras? The aurora comes out of the polar openings when the buildup of particles within becomes intense; there is a discharge. But even at low ebb, so to speak, there is always some slight aurora. Science accepts this, and Arctic explorers have observed and reported this. So if light is always flowing out, how can you speak of darkness within? The Eskimos always spoke of the lands to the North which were always illuminated and which had no horizon, even back in the days of the Vikings they reported this phenomena. Just remember that in the cavity, the larger solar particles break up into their constituent photon particles.
This even happens in cavern worlds within the crust, i.e., before the particles reach the hollow cavity: http://www.holloworbs.com/green_children_wolfpitte.htm At certain depths, the resistance encountered tends to liberate the photons in the green frequency.
Good night!
Dharmapad
From: Rasamanjari Devi dasi
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:13 AM
To: silopanna
Subject: Re: gold mud
Hare Krishna Dharms,
All glories to His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
i enjoyed reading the link re Venus. Question about "Shukra- the predominating regent of the planet Venus." I read this several times but did not understand that he is ruler on Venus. Where is the information to confirm this?
re Sadaputra prabhu, one man on the facebook who knew him quite well claimed ISKCON people, specifically mentioned Danavir and others were against him. He drowned in his swimming pool. i do not know exactly who he was dangerous to, but these days anyone contradicting their disinformation propaganda is seen as a threat. It may have been internal ISKCON. i Do not know what his family has or can do.
Don't you think it strange that there is not one mention of Hollow Earth in Srila Prabhupada's writings, lectures or conversations?
If we accept that planets are hollow or geode shaped, could rotation of the planet, allowing us to view interior which is in shadow account for the waxing and waning of the Moon?
Living inside a planet with no sunshine or moonshine seems contradictory to life to me.
Do you accept Srila Prabhupada's descriptions of how many miles from earth the Sun and Moon are?
i have a hard time with mars info, donno why.
i can try again.
lowly servant in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Rasamanjari Devi dasi
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From: silopanna <[email protected]>
To: Rasamanjari Devi dasi <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: gold mud
Rasabihari Prabhu,
I feel that many of these descriptions correspond to the hollow portions of planets. Have you seen this one: http://www.holloworbs.com/Venus.htm
I do see that there are several quotes about Mars and the Moon. But again, taking into considerration the hollow nature of planets gives possibility to these quotes.
I had been thinking that Sadaputa was killed. Who was he dangerous to, what was he going to do and what did he know? His wife was Brazilian, I have heard. Isn't she doing anything? Any kind of mere debunking of orthodox astronomy is already going on, in some ways far beyond what he ever suggested.
The Skipper mars site and those video clips that I sent to you are very revealing. Have you assimilated some of that stuff?
Dharmapad
From: Rasamanjari Devi dasi
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:13 AM
To: silopanna
Subject: Re: gold mud
Dear Dharmpad das prabhu,
And they killed Sadaputra prabhu.
Thank you for your faithfulness to His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
i don't know much about Mars but i went to this link and typed in Mars. Srila Prabhupada has alot to say.
http://prabhupadabooks.com/ Hare Krishna.
here is another quote about the moon being blazing. from 1975.
Conversations : 1975 Conversations : October, 1975 : Morning Walk -- October 9, 1975, Durban : 751009mw.dur :
Prahupada: So why it is not reflecting to other planets, only to the moon? Why special advantage to the moon? They have no reason. All rascals' philosophy. Why particularly to the moon? Why not others? Simply theories and mental speculation. They have no scientific. And the śāstra definitely gives the distance of the moon from the sun planet-1,600,000 miles. Then similarly [sic:] 1,600 million up, the Mars, then Venus, then..., everything. And moon is specifically mentioned that "It is so brilliant because there is fire, blazing fire. And the blazing fire is so illuminating that even at night it looks white, bright." This is reasonable because... Not that it is being reflected by the sun. The sun can reflect other planets, but it is there, fire. Just like sun there is fire, similarly, moon there is fire. The sun is not covered by cool atmosphere, but the moon is covered by cool atmosphere. Therefore it is pleasing. When there is sunshine and breeze, it is very pleasing. And no sunshine, simply breezing—it is not pleasing. And only sunshine, there is no cool atmo... That is also painful. But sunshine and breezing is very pleasing. So there is, like sunshine, blazing fire and surrounded by cool atmosphere. Therefore the moon is so pleasing.
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From: silopanna <[email protected]>
To: Rasamanjari Devi dasi <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: gold mud
rasamanjari DD,
Yes, I see the ladies in Brazil, all of their jewelry is fake because it's all made out of cheap metals and glass jewels. What a shame.
Did you check out the Mars Anomaly Research site, the one by Ted Skipper? How about this page: http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2000/003/colossal-monuments.htm
And the Bhaktivedanta Institute has done what? Very little, it completely dropped the Apollo debunking issue and started investigating fossils and old bones and things. Prabhupad died and the the bold preaching was run into the ground by our leaders, and book distribution stopped and devotees were run off and now they are changing the books.
What a situation.
Dharmapd Das
From: Rasamanjari Devi dasi
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:15 PM
To: silopanna
Subject: gold mud
Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 5: "The Creative Impetus" : SB 5.16: A Description of Jambudvipa : SB 5.16.20, SB 5.16.21, SB 5.16.20-21 : PURPORT :
By the arrangement of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the rivers on some planets produce gold on their banks. The poor inhabitants of this earth, because of their incomplete knowledge, are captivated by a so-called bhagavān who can produce a small quantity of gold. However, it is understood that in a higher planetary system in this material world, the mud on the banks of the Jambū-nadī mixes with jambū juice, reacts with the sunshine in the air, and automatically produces huge quantities of gold. Thus the men and women are decorated there by various golden ornaments, and they look very nice. Unfortunately, on earth there is such a scarcity of gold that the governments of the world try to keep it in reserve and issue paper currency. Because that currency is not backed up by gold, the paperthey distribute as money is worthless, but nevertheless the people on earth are very proud of material advancement. In modern times, girls and ladies have ornaments made of plastic instead of gold, and plastic utensils are used instead of golden ones, yet people are very proud of their material wealth. Therefore the people of this age are described as mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā hy upadrutāḥ (Bhāg. 1.1.10). In other words, they are extremely bad and slow to understand the opulence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They have been described as sumanda-matayaḥ because their conceptions are so crippled that they accept a bluffer who produces a little gold to be God. Because they have no gold in their possession, they are actually poverty-stricken, and therefore they are considered unfortunate
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From: silopanna <[email protected]>
To: Rasamanjari Devi dasi <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Garuda Purana abd Chinese heaven caves
Rasamanjari DD,
The fact that the Earth was referred to in the plural is simply very telling. What is implicit is that we can't try to fit the descriptions of the different dwipas into our physical, singular Earth planet, and that ethereal worlds are being referred to.
Where does one begin?
That description of the Chinese cave heavens is from Alien Identities. I think that Sadaputa Das knew things that he wasn't able to publish.
Dharmapad
From: Rasamanjari Devi dasi
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 4:18 PM
To: silopanna
Subject: Garuda Purana abd Chinese heaven caves
i look forward to more info..
here is a new one. "If we turn to Chinese folklore, we find a time lapse of hundreds of years. There is a book entitled "The Report Concerning the Cave Heavens and Lands of Happiness in Famous Mountains," by Tu Kuang-t'ing, who lived from 850 to 933 A.D. This book lists ten 'cave heavens' and thirty-six 'small cave heavens' that were supposed to exist beneath the mountains in China. Here are the reported experiences of a man who entered a passageway leading to one of these cave heavens:
After walking ten miles, he suddenly found himself in a beautiful land with a clear blue sky, shining pinkish clouds, fragrant flowers, densely growing willows, towers the color of cinnabar, pavilions of red jade, and far flung palaces. He was met by a group of lovely,seductive women, who brought him to a house of jasper, and played him beautiful music while he drank a ruby-red drink and a jade-colored juice. Just as he felt the urge to let himself be seduced, he remembered his family and returned to the passageway. Led by a strange light that danced before him, he walked back through the cave to the outer world; but when he reached his home village, he did not recognize anyone he saw, and when he arrived at his house, he met his own descendents of nine generations hence. They told him that one of their ancestors had disappeared into a cavern three hundred years before and had never been seen again.
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From: silopanna <[email protected]>
To: Rasamanjari Devi dasi <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: you can post if you want to
Rasamanjari Dasi,
I'm on the run, but I'll get started with you.
Keep in mind that this texts has been translated. And in the Bhagavatam, there is a verse that speaks of the kings from other earthly planets visiting the sacrifice of King Puru. The word earth is used in the plural, so it seems to refer to the planets of the plane of the solar system, hence the idea that the Earth (or "Earths") is/are flat.
Subtle, ethereal "geographies" or existences are probably being referred to; one such existence is described in the Krishna Book, from which the celestial denizens threw flowers.
Any correspondence with geographical places on the face of the Earth are probably correspondences such as York in England and New York, i.e., one place is names after the other.
We'll talk more.
Dharmapad
From: Rasamanjari Devi dasi
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 6:27 AM
To: silopanna
Subject: you can post if you want to
Geography of Earth, Garuda Purana
Geography of earth has been vividly described in Garuda Purana.
Geography of earth in Garuda Purana reveals that earth is divided into seven regions or dvipas. These seven divisions are Plakshadvipa, Jambudvipa, Kushadvipa, Shalmaladvipa, Pushkaradvipa, Krounchadvipa and Shakadvipa. These regions are surrounded by seven seas. The seas are Ikshu, Lavana, Sarpi, Sura, Dadhi, Jala, Dugdha.
Jambudvipa is again categorised into nine parts or varshas. They are Kimpurusha, Nabhi, Ilavrita, Harivarsha, Kuru, Ramya, Bhadrashva, Ketumala.and Hiranvana. Nabhivarsha later came to be known as Bharatavarsha. In the centre of Jambudvipa is Ilavritavarsha. Mount Sumeru lies in the middle of Ilavritavarsha. To the south of Mount Sumeru lie the mountains of Himalaya, Hemakuta and Nishada. To the north of Mount Sumeru lie the mountains of Nila, Shveta and Shringavana. Bhadrashvavarsha Mountain lies to the east of Mount Sumeru. The mountain of Hiranvanavarsha lies to the south-east of Mount Sumeru. Kimpurushavarsha and Bharatavarsha mountain ranges lie to the south of the mountain. The Harivarsha Mountain lies to the south-west, Ketumalavarsha lies to the west, Ramyakavarsha in the north-west and Khruvarsha to the north.
Bharatavarsha is again divided into nine parts. The eight sections are Tamravarna, Nagadvipa, Gabhastimana, Indradvipa, Kasherumana, Kataha, Varuna and Simhala. The ninth division is Sagaradvipa that is surrounded by ocean. The Kiratas live in the east of Bharatavarsha, in the west resides yavana, in the south the Andhras and the Turushkas in the north. Bharata varsha has seven mountain ranges and they are Malaya, Mahendra, Shuktimana, Sahya, Riksha, Paribhadra and Vindhya.
There are few kingdoms situated in the centre of Bharata varsha. They are Kuru, Panchala, Youdheya, Patacchara, Matsya, Kunti and Shurasena, Padma, Kashaya, Suta, Magadha, Chedi, Koshala and Videha are kingdoms of the east. In the south-east of Bharat varsha are the kingdoms of Banga, Pundra, Kalinga, Anga, Vidarbha and Mulaka. In the south west are the kingdoms of Pulinda, Jimuta, Nayarashtra, Ashmaka, Kamboja, Ghata, Karnata, Ambashtha, Daksinapatha, Lata, Dravida, Shaka and Anarta and Strimukha. In the west lie the kingdoms of Yavana, Sindhu, Nishada and Mathura. In the North West are the kingdoms of Tushara, Mandavya, Musha, Khasha, Mulika, Mahakesha and Mahanada. The kingdoms of Stana, Lambaka, Madra, Naga, Gandhara and Vahlika lie in the north. The seven underworlds under the earth are Atala, Nitala, Mahatala, Vitala, Patala Sutala and Gabhastimata. Snakes like daityas and the bhujangas reside there.
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