Video from Pleiadian ALAJE (777ALAJE). 6 Parts
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoPWJtRpLl8
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqJ4KXEQJmI
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J88LtfcjpI
part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L2Xodot0JI
part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoqZUoOeqI
part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqfFOVJA5ms
Hello again Vlad,
Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed, violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
Rama Rama, Hare Hare
Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universe who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube, now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there), and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, have some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he does not appear to mention
a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception up of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he says does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most attractive of all
beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna, is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am not a blind and foolish religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another. Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will easily be able to feed on people who
have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje, has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
The danavas did not think that Krishna was the greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and they were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciples came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained in the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
If Alaje draws you completely into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
Dave (mothman777)
________________________________
From: Vladimir Kudin <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2011, 18:48
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Pleiadian ALAJE
Video from Pleiadian ALAJE (777ALAJE). 6 Parts
part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoPWJtRpLl8
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqJ4KXEQJmI
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J88LtfcjpI
part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L2Xodot0JI
part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoqZUoOeqI
part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqfFOVJA5ms
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hello Dave
And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
I will try to argue Alaje words.
I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
I do not care about his financial issues
information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
Danavas - this is not Elohim,
Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
Atala - retranslated like White.
On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
Hello again Vlad,
Â
Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
Â
However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
Â
Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
Â
I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed, violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
Â
If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
Â
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
Rama Rama, Hare Hare
Â
Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universe who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
Â
I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube, now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there), and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, have some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he does not appear to mention
a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
Â
If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception up of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he says does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most attractive of all
beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
Â
The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna, is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
Â
You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am not a blind and foolish religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another. Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will easily be able to feed on people who
have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje, has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
Â
The danavas did not think that Krishna was the greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and they were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciples came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained in the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
Â
If Alaje draws you completely into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
Â
I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
Â
With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
Â
Dave (mothman777)
Hi all,
I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
Earth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
~Russ
--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Vladimir Kudin <[email protected]>
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
Hello again Vlad,
Â
Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
Â
However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
Â
Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
Â
I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed, violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
Â
If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
Â
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
Rama Rama, Hare Hare
Â
Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universe who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
Â
I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube, now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there), and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, have some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he does not appear to
mention
a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
Â
If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception up of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he says does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most attractive of
all
beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
Â
The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna, is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
Â
You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am not a blind and foolish religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another. Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will easily be able to feed on
people who
have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje, has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
Â
The danavas did not think that Krishna was the greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and they were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciples came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained in the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
Â
If Alaje draws you completely into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
Â
I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
Â
With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
Â
Dave (mothman777)
Hello Dave
And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
I will try to argue Alaje words.
I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
I do not care about his financial issues
information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
Danavas - this is not Elohim,
Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
Atala - retranslated like White.
On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
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 I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
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 It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
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 For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
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 It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
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 Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
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 Earth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
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here video from another (non Alaje) human from Equador
and he also say about white nordic people (on Venus, in Hollow Earth and on others planets)
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixByYSUtI7c
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYUZh7zsn1Q
part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWPx6I3j7U0
part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln9yIi0xdqg
also some another people , and all say about white nordic people (white race)
Hi again Vlad,
Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
What possible genuine reasons can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'. Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.
After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views about Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses, but this is the effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic space after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or another should be looked at
again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documents about Him, look up the book all about Him, Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God? And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon alien from the lower astral.
Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudice towards other species.
Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunately this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend. That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this, and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differs with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.
Of course, sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attacking other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.
Some governments tell terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some Christian talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have not analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I described (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describes even of a rajasic nature, nor confined even to a merely sattvic nature, the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly superior to
all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passion = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, like K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 Sri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
"Lord God of all the gods, whoevever you are, whichever one of you gods is the Lord God of the entire cosmos, please reveal yourself to me and guide me, and teach me how to pray, and to benefit the entire cosmos in all that I do, within You and through You; please do not let any imposter come between me and you, as I only want to be taught by You".
For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway, God will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer. In short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.
For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person, and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the spiritual and
material realms.
Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.
With best regards,
Dave
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From: Russell Viers <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
Hi all,
I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
Earth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
~Russ
--- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Vladimir Kudin <[email protected]>
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
Hello again Vlad,
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Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
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However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
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Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
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I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed, violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
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If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
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Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
Rama Rama, Hare Hare
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Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universe who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
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I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube, now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there), and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, have some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he does not appear to
mention
a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
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If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception up of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he says does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most attractive of
all
beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
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The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna, is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
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You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am not a blind and foolish religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another. Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will easily be able to feed on
people who
have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje, has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
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The danavas did not think that Krishna was the greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and they were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciples came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained in the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
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If Alaje draws you completely into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
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I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
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With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
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Dave (mothman777)
Hello Dave
And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
I will try to argue Alaje words.
I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
I do not care about his financial issues
information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
Danavas - this is not Elohim,
Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
Atala - retranslated like White.
On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
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"The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/Gadarenes.htm
http://www.wake-up-america.net/from_the_jewish_holy_book__the_t.htm
This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of Supreme Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.
"All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha .
"Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
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HI
for really god your prayers are not needed, your singing -
Hare Krishna and Hare Rama also not needed.
If you ask : on whose side I- or Nordic Elohim side, or other races (creatures)Lemurians, and reptiles ?. I would say that I will in any case on the side of the Elohim (Nordic white light gods).
They are white people, race of angels and founders of the white race on earth. In fact, they are our creators, our forefathers.
Do you think that I will bow down to some kind of Krishna (an idol of Rama lost empire and Lemuria?)
Do you really think that I will worship the gods of the Anunnaki reptilian race, or other semi demonic creatures ?
No.
To the Hereby gods do not need your prayers.
Alaje, correctly says. Any worship of gods - makes you slave
the really God- does not need prayer, it does not require the submission and songs, Hare Krishna and Hare Rama.
In ancient times, broke and destroyed the empire of Lemuria and Rama (Harrapa) and not some the pseudo-gods (who are not gods) they did not help.
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
Hi again Vlad,
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Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower ...
Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
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Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
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What possible genuine reasons can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'. Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.Â
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After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views about Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
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Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses, but this is the effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic space after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or another should be looked at
again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
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There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documents about Him, look up the book all about Him, Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God? And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon alien from the lower astral.
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Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudice towards other species.
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Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunately this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
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The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend. That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
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Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this, and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differs with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.Â
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Of course, sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attacking other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.Â
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Some governments tell terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some Christian talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have not analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I described (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describes even of a rajasic nature, nor confined even to a merely sattvic nature, the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly superior to
all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passion = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
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I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
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For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway, God will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer. In short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.Â
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For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person, and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the spiritual and
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Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.Â
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From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJEÂ
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 I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
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 It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
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 For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
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 It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
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 Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
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From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@...>
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AMÂ
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
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> Hello again Vlad,
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> Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
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> However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
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> Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
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> I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed,ÃÂ violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
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> If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
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> Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> Rama Rama, Hare Hare
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> Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universeÃÂ who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
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> I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube,ÃÂ now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there),ÃÂ and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, haveÃÂ some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he does not appear to
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> a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
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> If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception upÃÂ of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he saysÃÂ does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most attractive of
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> beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
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> The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna,ÃÂ is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
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> You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am notÃÂ aÃÂ blind and foolishÃÂ religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another.ÃÂ Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will easily be able to feed on
people who
> have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje,ÃÂ has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
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> The danavas did not think that Krishna was theÃÂ greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and theyÃÂ were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciplesÃÂ came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained inÃÂ the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
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> If Alaje draws you completelyÃÂ into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
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> I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
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> With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
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> Dave (mothman777)
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Hello Dave
And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
I will try to argue Alaje words.
I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
I do not care about his financial issues
information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.Danavas - this is not Elohim,
Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatureslemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
Atala - retranslated like White.
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"The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/Gadarenes.htm
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This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of Supreme Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.Â
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"All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha .
"Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' Â At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Gary,
I agree about not getting preachy. I even wrote a book called Hollow Earth in the Puranas (Vedas), but I don't talk much about it on the list.
http://www.gravedistractions.com/dean-dominic-de-lucia.php
Why? Because I don't want people to think that I am using my position on the list for promulgating my own spiritual perspectives. That would be the downfall of the list. And no matter what the belief, this list is a valuable resource which can only be supportive of one's spiritual life.
For one thing, a person needs to understand that there are card-carrying demons living in the Earth's crust, and that they engage in manipulation of the surface world. Now, take that back to your Christianity, Catholic religion, Latter Day Saints, Jewish religion, Buddhism, transcendental meditation or whatever, but take it back and spread the word!
http://www.holloworbs.com/cavern_worlds.htm
Dean
--- In [email protected], "Gary" <g.fleck@...> wrote:
Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
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> Hi again Vlad,
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> Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
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> What possible genuine reasons can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'. Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.Â
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> After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views about Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
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> Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
> Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
> Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
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> Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses, but this is the effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic space after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or another should be looked at
> again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
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> There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documents about Him, look up the book all about Him, Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God? And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon alien from the lower astral.
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> Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudice towards other species.
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> Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunately this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
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> The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend. That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
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> Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this, and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differs with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.Â
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> Of course, sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attacking other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.Â
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> Some governments tell terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some Christian talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have not analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I described (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describes even of a rajasic nature, nor confined even to a merely sattvic nature, the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly superior to
> all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passion = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
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> Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, like   K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 Sri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
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> I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
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> "Lord God of all the gods, whoevever you are, whichever one of you gods is the Lord God of the entire cosmos, please reveal yourself to me and guide me, and teach me how to pray, and to benefit the entire cosmos in all that I do, within You and through You; please do not let any imposter come between me and you, as I only want to be taught by You". Â
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> For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway, God will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer. In short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.Â
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> For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person, and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the spiritual and
> material realms.Â
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> Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.Â
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> From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
> Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
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>  I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
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>  It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
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>  For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
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> Â It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
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>  Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
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> --- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@> wrote:
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> From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@>
> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
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> --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
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> > Hello again Vlad,
> > ÃÂ
> > Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
> > ÃÂ
> > However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
> > ÃÂ
> > Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
> > ÃÂ
> > I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed,ÃÂ violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
> > ÃÂ
> > If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
> > ÃÂ
> > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> > Rama Rama, Hare Hare
> > ÃÂ
> > Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universeÃÂ who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
> > ÃÂ
> > I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube,ÃÂ now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there),ÃÂ and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, haveÃÂ some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he does not appear to
> mention
> > a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
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> > If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception upÃÂ of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he saysÃÂ does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most attractive of
> all
> > beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
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> > The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna,ÃÂ is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
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> > You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am notÃÂ aÃÂ blind and foolishÃÂ religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another.ÃÂ Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will easily be able to feed on
> people who
> > have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje,ÃÂ has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
> > ÃÂ
> > The danavas did not think that Krishna was theÃÂ greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and theyÃÂ were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciplesÃÂ came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained inÃÂ the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
> > ÃÂ
> > If Alaje draws you completelyÃÂ into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
> > ÃÂ
> > I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
> > ÃÂ
> > With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
> > ÃÂ
> > Dave (mothman777)
> >
> Hello Dave
> And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
> I will try to argue Alaje words.
> I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
> They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
> Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
> Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
> On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
> Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
> you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
> But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
> I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
> Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
> Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
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> On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
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> About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
> I do not care about his financial issues
> information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
> Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
> Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
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> Danavas - this is not Elohim,
> Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
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> lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
> Atala - retranslated like White.
> On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
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> "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
> Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
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> This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of Supreme Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.Â
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> "All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha .
> "Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' Â At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
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Yes, well put. Although there are many references to the hollow Earth in/from many different religions/scriptures, and many of them are mentioned in passing on the group, we don't dwell on them for the most part. If anyone wants to discuss religious beliefs in detail with another member, take it private by email, but, please keep it civil. Gary
--- In [email protected], "Dean D" <silopanna@...> wrote:
Gary,
I agree about not getting preachy. I even wrote a book called Hollow Earth in the Puranas (Vedas), but I don't talk much about it on the list.
http://www.gravedistractions.com/dean-dominic-de-lucia.php
Why? Because I don't want people to think that I am using my position on the list for promulgating my own spiritual perspectives. That would be the downfall of the list. And no matter what the belief, this list is a valuable resource which can only be supportive of one's spiritual life.
For one thing, a person needs to understand that there are card-carrying demons living in the Earth's crust, and that they engage in manipulation of the surface world. Now, take that back to your Christianity, Catholic religion, Latter Day Saints, Jewish religion, Buddhism, transcendental meditation or whatever, but take it back and spread the word!
Dean
--- In [email protected], "Gary" <g.fleck@> wrote:
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> Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary
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> --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
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> > Hi again Vlad,
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> > Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
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> > What possible genuine reasons can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'. Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.Â
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> > After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views about Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
> > Â
> > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
> > Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
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> > Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses, but this is the effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic space after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or another should be looked at
> > again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
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> > There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documents about Him, look up the book all about Him, Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God? And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon alien from the lower astral.
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> > Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudice towards other species.
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> > Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunately this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
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> > The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend. That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
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> > Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this, and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differs with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.Â
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> > Of course, sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attacking other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.Â
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> > Some governments tell terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some Christian talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have not analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I described (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describes even of a rajasic nature, nor confined even to a merely sattvic nature, the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly superior to
> > all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passion = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
> > Â
> > Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, like   K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 Sri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
> > Â
> > I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
> > Â
> > "Lord God of all the gods, whoevever you are, whichever one of you gods is the Lord God of the entire cosmos, please reveal yourself to me and guide me, and teach me how to pray, and to benefit the entire cosmos in all that I do, within You and through You; please do not let any imposter come between me and you, as I only want to be taught by You". Â
> > Â
> > For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway, God will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer. In short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.Â
> > Â
> > For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person, and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the spiritual and
> > material realms.Â
> > Â
> > Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.Â
> > Â
> > With best regards,
> > Â
> > Dave
> > Â
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> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
> > Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> >
> >
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> > Â Hi all,
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> >  I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
> > Â
> >  It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
> > Â
> >  For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
> > Â
> > Â It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
> > Â
> >  Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
> > Â
> > Â Earth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
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> > --- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@>
> > Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
> >
> > Â
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello again Vlad,
> > > ÃÂ
> > > Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed,ÃÂ violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
> > > ÃÂ
> > > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > > Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > > Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> > > Rama Rama, Hare Hare
> > > ÃÂ
> > > Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universeÃÂ who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube,ÃÂ now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there),ÃÂ and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, haveÃÂ some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he does not appear to
> > mention
> > > a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception upÃÂ of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he saysÃÂ does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most attractive of
> > all
> > > beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna,ÃÂ is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am notÃÂ aÃÂ blind and foolishÃÂ religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another.ÃÂ Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will easily be able to feed on
> > people who
> > > have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje,ÃÂ has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > The danavas did not think that Krishna was theÃÂ greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and theyÃÂ were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciplesÃÂ came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained inÃÂ the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > If Alaje draws you completelyÃÂ into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
> > > ÃÂ
> > > Dave (mothman777)
> > >
> > Hello Dave
> > And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
> > I will try to argue Alaje words.
> > I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
> > They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
> > Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
> > Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
> > On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
> > Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
> > you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
> > But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
> > I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
> > Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
> > Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
> >
> > On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
> >
> > About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
> > I do not care about his financial issues
> > information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
> > Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
> > Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
> >
> > Danavas - this is not Elohim,
> > Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
> >
> > lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
> > Atala - retranslated like White.
> > On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
> > Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
> > http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/Gadarenes.htm
> > http://www.wake-up-america.net/from_the_jewish_holy_book__the_t.htmÂ
> > Â
> > This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of Supreme Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.Â
> > Â
> > "All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha .
> > "Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' Â At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Caves of India and mountains are very well known for semigods living inside.
Tibet caves is remembered by T.L.Rampa in the Third Eye.
Some hindu gurus take sick or dead people inside mountains or
caves, in their NDEs and return them healed or alive again. Might be
rumors but I hear about it. The Shiva Cave for one, the rumors that
Arunachala mountain underground and top repppresent Shiva himself, ect.
Alena
--- On Fri, 11/4/11, Dean D <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Dean D <[email protected]>
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, November 4, 2011, 10:30 AM
Gary,
I agree about not getting preachy. I even wrote a book called Hollow Earth in the Puranas (Vedas), but I don't talk much about it on the list.
http://www.gravedistractions.com/dean-dominic-de-lucia.php
Why? Because I don't want people to think that I am using my position on the list for promulgating my own spiritual perspectives. That would be the downfall of the list. And no matter what the belief, this list is a valuable resource which can only be supportive of one's spiritual life.
For one thing, a person needs to understand that there are card-carrying demons living in the Earth's crust, and that they engage in manipulation of the surface world. Now, take that back to your Christianity, Catholic religion, Latter Day Saints, Jewish religion, Buddhism, transcendental meditation or whatever, but take it back and spread the word!
http://www.holloworbs.com/cavern_worlds.htm
Dean
--- In [email protected], "Gary" <g.fleck@...> wrote:
Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
>
> Hi again Vlad,
> Â
> Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
> Â
> What possible genuine reasons can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'. Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.Â
> Â
> After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views about Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
> Â
> Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
> Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
> Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
> Â
> Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses, but this is the effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic space after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or another should be
looked at
> again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
> Â
> There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documents about Him, look up the book all about Him, Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God? And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon alien from the
lower astral.
> Â
> Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudice towards other species.
> Â
> Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunately this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
> Â
> The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend. That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
> Â
> Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this, and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differs with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.Â
> Â
> Of course, sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attacking other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.Â
> Â
> Some governments tell terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some Christian talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have not analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I described (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describes even of a rajasic nature, nor confined even to a merely sattvic nature, the nature of Vaikuntha is
vastly superior to
> all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passion = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
> Â
> Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, like   K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 Sri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
> Â
> I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
> Â
> "Lord God of all the gods, whoevever you are, whichever one of you gods is the Lord God of the entire cosmos, please reveal yourself to me and guide me, and teach me how to pray, and to benefit the entire cosmos in all that I do, within You and through You; please do not let any imposter come between me and you, as I only want to be taught by You". Â
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> For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway, God will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer. In short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.Â
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> For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person, and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the spiritual
and
> material realms.Â
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> Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.Â
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> With best regards,
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> From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
> Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
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>  I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
> Â
>  It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
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>  For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
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> Â It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
> Â
>  Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
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> Â Earth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
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> --- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@> wrote:
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> From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@>
> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
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> --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again Vlad,
> > ÂÂ
> > Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
> > ÂÂ
> > However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
> > ÂÂ
> > Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
> > ÂÂ
> > I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed, violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
> > ÂÂ
> > If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
> > ÂÂ
> > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> > Rama Rama, Hare Hare
> > ÂÂ
> > Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universe who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
> > ÂÂ
> > I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube, now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there), and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, have some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he
does not appear to
> mention
> > a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
> > ÂÂ
> > If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception up of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he says does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most
attractive of
> all
> > beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
> > ÂÂ
> > The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna, is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
> > ÂÂ
> > You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am not a blind and foolish religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another. Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will
easily be able to feed on
> people who
> > have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje, has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
> > ÂÂ
> > The danavas did not think that Krishna was the greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and they were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciples came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained in the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
> > ÂÂ
> > If Alaje draws you completely into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
> > ÂÂ
> > I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
> > ÂÂ
> > With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
> > ÂÂ
> > Dave (mothman777)
> >
> Hello Dave
> And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
> I will try to argue Alaje words.
> I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
> They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
> Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
> Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
> On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
> Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
> you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
> But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
> I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
> Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
> Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
>
> On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
>
> About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
> I do not care about his financial issues
> information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
> Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
> Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
>
> Danavas - this is not Elohim,
> Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
>
> lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
> Atala - retranslated like White.
> On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
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> "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
> Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
> http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/Gadarenes.htm
> http://www.wake-up-america.net/from_the_jewish_holy_book__the_t.htmÂ
> Â
> This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of Supreme Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.Â
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> "All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha .
> "Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' Â At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
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Hi Gary,
This conversation between me and Vlad was initially just private but it seems to have continued in public, with some balanced contribution on this thread by Russell Viers. Another contributor has also intelligently questioned why space beings are coming to this planet also, whether there is some element of a spiritual message of some sort being offered by these visitors, and it does tie in with craft entering the inner earth, through the poles and through sea vortexes etc.
I mentioned space visitor history to this earth 500 years ago, as verifiably documented in the Chaitanya Charitamrita scriptures, to prove Krishna is not dead (Vlad insists Krishna is a dead alien) and that He is not the blue-blooded annunaki demon lower astral reptile or whatever he thinks, and you can see is Vlad is getting pretty hot under the collar about it which was not my intention, and I cannot see why he has these ridiculous ideas, for which he does not present any evidence, false or otherwise to attempt to prove his assertions. He did blow this isue right up by getting so hostile about Krishna without any justification, and I just attempted to present more information before him to attempt to give him a more balanced perspective. It seems Vlad is a little prone to getting quite upset, like I should automatically know his theories in advance, and my attempts to balance his somewhat inappropriate and hasty approach just seem to annoy him, and you
notice this conversation and consider me to be at fault. Ok, you can avoid the issue of God having anything to do with the creation of the hollow earth if you like and stay with a purely material interest without any consideration of anything spiritual in all this, though I find the attitude a little strange, but maybe not so strange after all, if you are just basically a geographical explorer type. If someone is going to belittle me and what I say in public though, I believe I have a right to respond to attempt to present my views properly, and I have attempted, at length, to avoid creating offence. I have been doing the very opposite of trying to create offence here.
And fair enough, you don't have to be a raving Buddha it seems to get there, anyone can live there, especially the Jesus who allegedly visits the inner and outer earth earth according to some who will bring in the extermination of all gentiles according to the Talmud, I do not mean to come on with religion here anyway, as Krishna says to abandon all religion. I just felt compelled to reply to Vlad in as succinct a manner as possible to avoid misunderstanding. I saw his love light spiritual angel thing through the Alaje and other videos he posted and concurred that the spiritual aspect of it all is great, you know, like increased closeness to God in the inner earth and so on, but it seems Alaje and Vlad are very confused people and don't recognise real spiritual kindness and just tear it to pieces, damaging other reader's impressions about what I say as well, and I have never attacked Vlad's views, though he has attacked mine, though I have never
rubbished him privately or publicly, and now I am obliged to respond here too sadly. Basically Vlad is definitely trying to aim for a very confrontational scene after all my attempts for a gentlemanly discussion, he just wants heated conflict, which I have been very much trying to avoid with my diplomacy, so I think you have picked up on this in the wrong way, and at the wrong time, as the debate on this issue has gone on as far as it can anyway, as the man is blind with anger, prejudice and hate, and certainly with his last hot tempered communication, I think our debate is over anyway without you needing to tell me to stop communicating here on this issue.
I picked up too on the idea of differing degrees of spirituality in the inner earth, and thought I could contribute, but got knocked I believe very harshly and very unfairly. So maybe you think I am pressuring Vlad or something and that you have to step in; I trust you have sent a similar message to him about this issue. I think he should have just allowed me to exist in peace without making his ridiculous claims in public, and I believe that I was obliged to respond to show him that I am not mistaken, and to do this in such a manner that is not inflammatory in the interessts of maintaining a good atmosphere. If Vlad had written to me in private, then I would respond to him in a likewise fashion; please check out the chronology of our 'debate', and the nature of the communications from each of us to each other. I put a lot of work into writing to try to be diplomatic and build harmony. All I get in return is raving about demonic reptiles, without the
common courtesy of properly reading what I write and responding in an intelligent manner, which is utterly ignorant. I am very generous, and forbearing, and know that people can change their views many times over the course of their lives, so I don't get hot over people's views, I just wanted to clear the air by attempting to establish at least some common ground that both Vlad and I could occupy.
I believe I have not been offensive in my words to Vlad, yet he has knocked me quite hard, and you also feel the need to speak against what I wrote. That is ok if you are an atheist, I am not here to proselytize, I actually thought I was just chiming in harmoniously with my comments on Vlads videos on the inner earth and on Alaje, rhey are quite big on God you may recognise. But it seems Vlad has a very strange and secretive theology very difficult for the rest of us to grasp, then, pow! I am some demon worshipper it seems, and now also I am bothering you too. Take a look at my comments on Vlad's videos, and on here, my comments are highly positive, harmonious and complementary. Krishna enters into the inner earth equation because of the fact Rama is said to have dwelled here, so it is not a subject that is divorced from this issue. The issue of the inner earth is certainly deeply fascinating yes, I was just trying to be nice thats all, and I would
have thought someone could have offered a little intelligent and positive feedback on the info I provided about the beings coming from all over the universe to visit Krishna Chaitanya 500 years ago, as it involves spacecraft, and probably craft from the inner earth, with all the different creatures there. In accordance with your wishes I will not communicate with Vlad anymore here; he seems incapable of rational thought anyway judging from his last hostile and hot-tempered message which he fired off at me.
Dave
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From: Gary <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 9:59
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
Hi again Vlad,
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Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
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What possible genuine reasons can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'. Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.Â
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After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views about Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
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Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
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Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses, but this is the effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic space after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or another should be
looked at
again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
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There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documents about Him, look up the book all about Him, Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God? And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon alien from the lower
astral.
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Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudice towards other species.
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Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunately this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
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The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend. That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
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Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this, and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differs with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.Â
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Of course, sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attacking other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.Â
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Some governments tell terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some Christian talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have not analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I described (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describes even of a rajasic nature, nor confined even to a merely sattvic nature, the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly
superior to
all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passion = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
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Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, like   K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 Sri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
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For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person, and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the spiritual and
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From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJEÂ
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 I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
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 It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
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 For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
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 It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
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 Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
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From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@...>
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AMÂ
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
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> Hello again Vlad,
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> Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
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> However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
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> Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
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> I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed, violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
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> If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
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> Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> Rama Rama, Hare Hare
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> Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universe who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
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> I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube, now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there), and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, have some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he
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> If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception up of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he says does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most
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> The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna, is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
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> You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am not a blind and foolish religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another. Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will
easily be able to feed on
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> have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje, has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
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> The danavas did not think that Krishna was the greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and they were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciples came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained in the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
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> If Alaje draws you completely into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
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> I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
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> With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
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> Dave (mothman777)
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Hello Dave
And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
I will try to argue Alaje words.
I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
I do not care about his financial issues
information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.Danavas - this is not Elohim,
Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatureslemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
Atala - retranslated like White.
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"The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
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This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of Supreme Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.Â
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"Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' Â At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dave,
Below, you have spoken well. To tell the truth, it has typically been permitted for list members to make a comment or two linking the hollow nature of planets, and linking the existence of cavern worlds, to religious tradition, without others making challenges and forcing defensive postures in kind.
It shouldn't have gotten to the point of Vlad defining what Shree Krishna is or isn't, and defining another's understanding of God, i.e., Krishna, as a "blue-blooded annunaki demon lower astral reptile", if that is what he did. This doesn't have to do with the purpose of the list.
So let's just give a mid-course correction to this thread and concentrate of Alena's post about the caves of India, and Gary's post about Lobsang Rampa.
Here is something I found a while ago about caves in India:
http://holloworbs.com/HinduKush.htm
Dean
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
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This conversation between me and Vlad was initially just private but it seems to have continued in public, with some balanced contribution on this thread by Russell Viers. Another contributor has also intelligently questioned why space beings are coming to this planet also, whether there is some element of a spiritual message of some sort being offered by these visitors, and it does tie in with craft entering the inner earth, through the poles and through sea vortexes etc. Â
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I mentioned space visitor history to this earth 500 years ago, as verifiably documented in the Chaitanya Charitamrita scriptures, to prove Krishna is not dead (Vlad insists Krishna is a dead alien) and that He is not the blue-blooded annunaki demon lower astral reptile or whatever he thinks, and you can see is Vlad is getting pretty hot under the collar about it which was not my intention, and I cannot see why he has these ridiculous ideas, for which he does not present any evidence, false or otherwise to attempt to prove his assertions. He did blow this isue right up by getting so hostile about Krishna without any justification, and I just attempted to present more information before him to attempt to give him a more balanced perspective. It seems Vlad is a little prone to getting quite upset, like I should automatically know his theories in advance, and my attempts to balance his somewhat inappropriate and hasty approach just seem to annoy him, and you
notice this conversation and consider me to be at fault. Ok,  you can avoid the issue of God having anything to do with the creation of the hollow earth if you like and stay with a purely material interest without any consideration of anything spiritual in all this, though I find the attitude a little strange, but maybe not so strange after all, if you are just basically a geographical explorer type. If someone is going to belittle me and what I say in public though, I believe I have a right to respond to attempt to present my views properly, and I have attempted, at length, to avoid creating offence. I have been doing the very opposite of trying to create offence here.
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And fair enough, you don't have to be a raving Buddha it seems to get there, anyone can live there, especially the Jesus who allegedly visits the inner and outer earth earth according to some who will bring in the extermination of all gentiles according to the Talmud, I do not mean to come on with religion here anyway, as Krishna says to abandon all religion. I just felt compelled to reply to Vlad in as succinct a manner as possible to avoid misunderstanding. I saw his love light spiritual angel thing through the Alaje and other videos he posted and concurred that the spiritual aspect of it all is great, you know, like increased closeness to God in the inner earth and so on, but it seems Alaje and Vlad are very confused people and don't recognise real spiritual kindness and just tear it to pieces, damaging other reader's impressions about what I say as well, and I have never attacked Vlad's views, though he has attacked mine, though I have never
rubbished him privately or publicly, and now I am obliged to respond here too sadly. Basically Vlad is definitely trying to aim for a very confrontational scene after all my attempts for a gentlemanly discussion, he just wants heated conflict, which I have been very much trying to avoid with my diplomacy, so I think you have picked up on this in the wrong way, and at the wrong time, as the debate on this issue has gone on as far as it can anyway, as the man is blind with anger, prejudice and hate, and certainly with his last hot tempered communication, I think our debate is over anyway without you needing to tell me to stop communicating here on this issue.
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I picked up too on the idea of differing degrees of spirituality in the inner earth, and thought I could contribute, but got knocked I believe very harshly and very unfairly. So maybe you think I am pressuring Vlad or something and that you have to step in; I trust you have sent a similar message to him about this issue. I think he should have just allowed me to exist in peace without making his ridiculous claims in public, and I believe that I was obliged to respond to show him that I am not mistaken, and to do this in such a manner that is not inflammatory in the interessts of maintaining a good atmosphere. If Vlad had written to me in private, then I would respond to him in a likewise fashion; please check out the chronology of our 'debate', and the nature of the communications from each of us to each other. I put a lot of work into writing to try to be diplomatic and build harmony. All I get in return is raving about demonic reptiles, without the
common courtesy of properly reading what I write and responding in an intelligent manner, which is utterly ignorant. I am very generous, and forbearing, and know that people can change their views many times over the course of their lives, so I don't get hot over people's views, I just wanted to clear the air by attempting to establish at least some common ground that both Vlad and I could occupy.Â
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I believe I have not been offensive in my words to Vlad, yet he has knocked me quite hard, and you also feel the need to speak against what I wrote. That is ok if you are an atheist, I am not here to proselytize, I actually thought I was just chiming in harmoniously with my comments on Vlads videos on the inner earth and on Alaje, rhey are quite big on God you may recognise. But it seems Vlad has a very strange and secretive theology very difficult for the rest of us to grasp, then, pow! I am some demon worshipper it seems, and now also I am bothering you too. Take a look at my comments on Vlad's videos, and on here, my comments are highly positive, harmonious and complementary. Krishna enters into the inner earth equation because of the fact Rama is said to have dwelled here, so it is not a subject that is divorced from this issue. The issue of the inner earth is certainly deeply fascinating yes, I was just trying to be nice thats all, and I would
have thought someone could have offered a little intelligent and positive feedback on the info I provided about the beings coming from all over the universe to visit Krishna Chaitanya 500 years ago, as it involves spacecraft, and probably craft from the inner earth, with all the different creatures there. In accordance with your wishes I will not communicate with Vlad anymore here; he seems incapable of rational thought anyway judging from his last hostile and hot-tempered message which he fired off at me.
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From: Gary <g.fleck@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 9:59
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJEÂ
Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
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> Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
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> What possible genuine reasonsÃÂ can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'.ÃÂ Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.ÃÂ
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> After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views aboutÃÂ Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
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> Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
> Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
> Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
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> Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses,ÃÂ but this is theÃÂ effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic spaceÃÂ after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or another should be
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> again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
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> There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documentsÃÂ about Him, look up the book all about Him,ÃÂ Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025Â written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God?ÃÂ And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon alien from the lower
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> Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunatelyÃÂ this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
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> The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend.ÃÂ That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
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> Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this,ÃÂ and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differsÃÂ with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.ÃÂ
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> Of course,ÃÂ sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attackingÃÂ other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> Some governments tellÃÂ terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some ChristianÃÂ talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have notÃÂ analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I describedÃÂ (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describesÃÂ even of a rajasic nature, nor confinedÃÂ even to a merely sattvic nature, the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly
superior to
> all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passionÃÂ = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
> ÃÂ
> Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, likeÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025Â Sri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
> ÃÂ
> I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
> ÃÂ
> "Lord God of all the gods, whoevever you are, whichever one of you gods is the Lord God of the entire cosmos, please reveal yourself to me and guide me, and teach me how to pray, and to benefit the entire cosmos in all that I do, within You and through You; please do not let any imposter come between me and you, as I only want to be taught by You".ÃÂ ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway,ÃÂ God will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer.ÃÂ In short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person,ÃÂ and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the spiritual and
> material realms.ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> With best regards,
> ÃÂ
> Dave
> ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
>
> ________________________________
> From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
> Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
>
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> ÃÂ
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> ÃÂ Hi all,
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> ÃÂ I'd like to interject an opinion ifÃÂ I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
> ÃÂ
> ÃÂ ItÃÂ has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
> ÃÂ
> ÃÂ For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, byÃÂ displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers,ÃÂ but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
> ÃÂ
> ÃÂ It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
> ÃÂ
> ÃÂ Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the CzechÃÂ republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead,ÃÂ tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
> ÃÂ
> ÃÂ Earth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
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> --- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@> wrote:
>
> From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@>
> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
>
> ÃÂ
>
> --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again Vlad,
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed,Ãâàviolence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> > Rama Rama, Hare Hare
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universeÃâàwho attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube,Ãâànow the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there),Ãâàand the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, haveÃâàsome sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with the communal higher self, but he
does not appear to
> mention
> > a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception upÃâàof what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he saysÃâàdoes not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His qualities, the most
attractive of
> all
> > beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna,Ãâàis the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am notÃâàaÃâàblind and foolishÃâàreligious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another.ÃâàThen you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad propaganda up about Krishna so that he will
easily be able to feed on
> people who
> > have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje,Ãâàhas encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > The danavas did not think that Krishna was theÃâàgreater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and theyÃâàwere all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciplesÃâàcame here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained inÃâàthe link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put it in one of your video comment boxes.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > If Alaje draws you completelyÃâàinto his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Dave (mothman777)
> >
> Hello Dave
> And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
> I will try to argue Alaje words.
> I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
> They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
> Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
> Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
> On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
> Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
> you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
> But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
> I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
> Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
> Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
>
> On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
>
> About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
> I do not care about his financial issues
> information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
> Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
> Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
>
> Danavas - this is not Elohim,
> Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
>
> lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
> Atala - retranslated like White.
> On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
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> "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
> Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
> http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/Gadarenes.htm
> http://www.wake-up-america.net/from_the_jewish_holy_book__the_t.htmÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of SupremeÃÂ Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> "All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-LekhaÃÂ .
> "Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' ÃÂ At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
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Hi Dean,
Many thanks for your considerate reply, which came as a great relief, Vlad initially told me 'Krishna is dead, a demon on the lower astral, nothing more, you must understand this' ( from memory these are his exact words more or less), and was just concerned for his and other readers spiritual welfare, as Krishna has never been presented by anyone as a demon before as far as I know, and I have read very extensively, and the most recent incarnation 500 years ago attracted and won over even His fiercest enemies, the Moslems, who used to destroy temples and roast people alive to force them to convert; when Chaitanya appeared, even top Moslem government ministers converted to become some of His most intimate devotees, and you may appreciate how hard core Moslems are; normally they would fight to the death rather than convert, and here, simply because of the wonderful nature of His love and His revealing to them His cosmic nature as the Lord of all the
gods, and source of all creation, they left the Moslem faith, and many others from a variety of different spiritual persuasions joined Him also.
Many thanks too for the wonderful information you have sent me, Lobsang Rampa was one of my main favourite authors in my late teens.
I will devote my attentions now to the reading matter you have kindly sent me.
Dave G
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From: Dean D <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2011, 9:27
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
Dave,
Below, you have spoken well. To tell the truth, it has typically been permitted for list members to make a comment or two linking the hollow nature of planets, and linking the existence of cavern worlds, to religious tradition, without others making challenges and forcing defensive postures in kind.
It shouldn't have gotten to the point of Vlad defining what Shree Krishna is or isn't, and defining another's understanding of God, i.e., Krishna, as a "blue-blooded annunaki demon lower astral reptile", if that is what he did. This doesn't have to do with the purpose of the list.
So let's just give a mid-course correction to this thread and concentrate of Alena's post about the caves of India, and Gary's post about Lobsang Rampa.
Here is something I found a while ago about caves in India:
http://holloworbs.com/HinduKush.htm
Dean
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
Hi Gary,
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This conversation between me and Vlad was initially just private but it seems to have continued in public, with some balanced contribution on this thread by Russell Viers. Another contributor has also intelligently questioned why space beings are coming to this planet also, whether there is some element of a spiritual message of some sort being offered by these visitors, and it does tie in with craft entering the inner earth, through the poles and through sea vortexes etc. Â
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I mentioned space visitor history to this earth 500 years ago, as verifiably documented in the Chaitanya Charitamrita scriptures, to prove Krishna is not dead (Vlad insists Krishna is a dead alien) and that He is not the blue-blooded annunaki demon lower astral reptile or whatever he thinks, and you can see is Vlad is getting pretty hot under the collar about it which was not my intention, and I cannot see why he has these ridiculous ideas, for which he does not present any evidence, false or otherwise to attempt to prove his assertions. He did blow this isue right up by getting so hostile about Krishna without any justification, and I just attempted to present more information before him to attempt to give him a more balanced perspective. It seems Vlad is a little prone to getting quite upset, like I should automatically know his theories in advance, and my attempts to balance his somewhat inappropriate and hasty approach just seem to annoy him, and
you
notice this conversation and consider me to be at fault. Ok,  you can avoid the issue of God having anything to do with the creation of the hollow earth if you like and stay with a purely material interest without any consideration of anything spiritual in all this, though I find the attitude a little strange, but maybe not so strange after all, if you are just basically a geographical explorer type. If someone is going to belittle me and what I say in public though, I believe I have a right to respond to attempt to present my views properly, and I have attempted, at length, to avoid creating offence. I have been doing the very opposite of trying to create offence here.
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And fair enough, you don't have to be a raving Buddha it seems to get there, anyone can live there, especially the Jesus who allegedly visits the inner and outer earth earth according to some who will bring in the extermination of all gentiles according to the Talmud, I do not mean to come on with religion here anyway, as Krishna says to abandon all religion. I just felt compelled to reply to Vlad in as succinct a manner as possible to avoid misunderstanding. I saw his love light spiritual angel thing through the Alaje and other videos he posted and concurred that the spiritual aspect of it all is great, you know, like increased closeness to God in the inner earth and so on, but it seems Alaje and Vlad are very confused people and don't recognise real spiritual kindness and just tear it to pieces, damaging other reader's impressions about what I say as well, and I have never attacked Vlad's views, though he has attacked mine, though
I have never
rubbished him privately or publicly, and now I am obliged to respond here too sadly. Basically Vlad is definitely trying to aim for a very confrontational scene after all my attempts for a gentlemanly discussion, he just wants heated conflict, which I have been very much trying to avoid with my diplomacy, so I think you have picked up on this in the wrong way, and at the wrong time, as the debate on this issue has gone on as far as it can anyway, as the man is blind with anger, prejudice and hate, and certainly with his last hot tempered communication, I think our debate is over anyway without you needing to tell me to stop communicating here on this issue.
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I picked up too on the idea of differing degrees of spirituality in the inner earth, and thought I could contribute, but got knocked I believe very harshly and very unfairly. So maybe you think I am pressuring Vlad or something and that you have to step in; I trust you have sent a similar message to him about this issue. I think he should have just allowed me to exist in peace without making his ridiculous claims in public, and I believe that I was obliged to respond to show him that I am not mistaken, and to do this in such a manner that is not inflammatory in the interessts of maintaining a good atmosphere. If Vlad had written to me in private, then I would respond to him in a likewise fashion; please check out the chronology of our 'debate', and the nature of the communications from each of us to each other. I put a lot of work into writing to try to be diplomatic and build harmony. All I get in return is raving about demonic reptiles, without
the
common courtesy of properly reading what I write and responding in an intelligent manner, which is utterly ignorant. I am very generous, and forbearing, and know that people can change their views many times over the course of their lives, so I don't get hot over people's views, I just wanted to clear the air by attempting to establish at least some common ground that both Vlad and I could occupy.Â
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I believe I have not been offensive in my words to Vlad, yet he has knocked me quite hard, and you also feel the need to speak against what I wrote. That is ok if you are an atheist, I am not here to proselytize, I actually thought I was just chiming in harmoniously with my comments on Vlads videos on the inner earth and on Alaje, rhey are quite big on God you may recognise. But it seems Vlad has a very strange and secretive theology very difficult for the rest of us to grasp, then, pow! I am some demon worshipper it seems, and now also I am bothering you too. Take a look at my comments on Vlad's videos, and on here, my comments are highly positive, harmonious and complementary. Krishna enters into the inner earth equation because of the fact Rama is said to have dwelled here, so it is not a subject that is divorced from this issue. The issue of the inner earth is certainly deeply fascinating yes, I was just trying to be nice thats all, and I
would
have thought someone could have offered a little intelligent and positive feedback on the info I provided about the beings coming from all over the universe to visit Krishna Chaitanya 500 years ago, as it involves spacecraft, and probably craft from the inner earth, with all the different creatures there. In accordance with your wishes I will not communicate with Vlad anymore here; he seems incapable of rational thought anyway judging from his last hostile and hot-tempered message which he fired off at me.
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Dave________________________________
From: Gary <g.fleck@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 9:59
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJEÂ
Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
>
> Hi again Vlad,
> ÂÂ
> Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
> ÂÂ
> What possible genuine reasons can you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'. Material nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.ÂÂ
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> After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views about Vaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
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> Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
> Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
> Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
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> Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses, but this is the effect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic space after being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or
another should be
looked at
> again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
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> There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documents about Him, look up the book all about Him, Chaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 written by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God? And Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon
alien from the lower
astral.
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> Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudice towards other species.
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> Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunately this is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
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> The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend. That is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
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> Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this, and souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differs with your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.ÂÂ
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> Of course, sometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attacking other almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.ÂÂ
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> Some governments tell terrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some Christian talks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have not analysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I described (in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describes even of a rajasic nature, nor confined even to a merely sattvic nature,
the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly
superior to
> all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passion = rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
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> Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, like   K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025 Sri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
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> I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
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> "Lord God of all the gods, whoevever you are, whichever one of you gods is the Lord God of the entire cosmos, please reveal yourself to me and guide me, and teach me how to pray, and to benefit the entire cosmos in all that I do, within You and through You; please do not let any imposter come between me and you, as I only want to be taught by You". ÂÂ
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> For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway, God will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer. In short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.ÂÂ
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> For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person, and there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the
spiritual and
> material realms.ÂÂ
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> Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.ÂÂ
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> With best regards,
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> Dave
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> ________________________________
> From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
> Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
>
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>  Hi all,
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>  I'd like to interject an opinion if I may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
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>  It has nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
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>  For a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, by displaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers, but include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
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>  It actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
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>  Its just like with these websites that are popping up in the Czech republic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead, tells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
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>  Earth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
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> --- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@> wrote:
>
> From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@>
> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
>
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>
> --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again Vlad,
> > ÂÂÂ
> > Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed, violence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
> > ÂÂÂ
> > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> > Rama Rama, Hare Hare
> > ÂÂÂ
> > Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universe who attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube, now the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there), and the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, have some sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with
the communal higher self, but he
does not appear to
> mention
> > a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception up of what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he says does not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His
qualities, the most
attractive of
> all
> > beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna, is the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am not a blind and foolish religious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another. Then you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad
propaganda up about Krishna so that he will
easily be able to feed on
> people who
> > have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje, has encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > The danavas did not think that Krishna was the greater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and they were all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciples came here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained in the link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put
it in one of your video comment boxes.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > If Alaje draws you completely into his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
> > ÂÂÂ
> > Dave (mothman777)
> >
> Hello Dave
> And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
> I will try to argue Alaje words.
> I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
> They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
> Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
> Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
> On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
> Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
> you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
> But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
> I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
> Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
> Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
>
> On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
>
> About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
> I do not care about his financial issues
> information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
> Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
> Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
>
> Danavas - this is not Elohim,
> Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
>
> lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
> Atala - retranslated like White.
> On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
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> "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
> Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
> http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/Gadarenes.htm
> http://www.wake-up-america.net/from_the_jewish_holy_book__the_t.htmÂÂ
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> This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of Supreme Lord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.ÂÂ
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> "All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha .
> "Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.'  At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
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Hmmm.. so Vlad continues to be vilified, for his opinion, and, Dave continues to preach... most interesting... Am I the only one who sees this??? Gary
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@...> wrote:
Hi Dean,
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Many thanks for your considerate reply, which came as a great relief, Vlad initially told me 'Krishna is dead, a demon on the lower astral, nothing more, you must understand this' ( from memory these are his exact words more or less), and was just concerned for his and other readers spiritual welfare, as Krishna has never been presented by anyone as a demon before as far as I know, and I have read very extensively, and the most recent incarnation 500 years ago attracted and won over even His fiercest enemies, the Moslems, who used to destroy temples and roast people alive to force them to convert; when Chaitanya appeared, even top Moslem government ministers converted to become some of His most intimate devotees, and you may appreciate how hard core Moslems are; normally they would fight to the death rather than convert, and here, simply because of the wonderful nature of His love and His revealing to them His cosmic nature as the Lord of all the
gods, and source of all creation, they left the Moslem faith, and many others from a variety of different spiritual persuasions joined Him also.
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Many thanks too for the wonderful information you have sent me, Lobsang Rampa was one of my main favourite authors in my late teens.
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From: Dean D <silopanna@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2011, 9:27
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJEÂ
Dave,Below, you have spoken well. To tell the truth, it has typically been permitted for list members to make a comment or two linking the hollow nature of planets, and linking the existence of cavern worlds, to religious tradition, without others making challenges and forcing defensive postures in kind.
It shouldn't have gotten to the point of Vlad defining what Shree Krishna is or isn't, and defining another's understanding of God, i.e., Krishna, as a "blue-blooded annunaki demon lower astral reptile", if that is what he did. This doesn't have to do with the purpose of the list.
So let's just give a mid-course correction to this thread and concentrate of Alena's post about the caves of India, and Gary's post about Lobsang Rampa.
Here is something I found a while ago about caves in India:
Dean
--- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
> ÃÂ
> This conversation between me and Vlad was initially just private but it seems to have continued in public, with some balanced contribution on this thread by Russell Viers. Another contributor has also intelligently questioned why space beings are coming to this planet also, whether there is some element ofÃÂ a spiritual message of some sortÃÂ being offered by these visitors, and it does tie in with craft entering the inner earth, through the poles and through sea vortexes etc.ÃÂ ÃÂ
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> I mentioned space visitor history to this earth 500 years ago, as verifiably documented in the Chaitanya Charitamrita scriptures, to prove Krishna is not dead (Vlad insists Krishna is a dead alien) and that He is not the blue-blooded annunaki demon lower astral reptile or whatever he thinks, and you can see is Vlad is getting pretty hot under the collar about it which was not my intention, and I cannot see why he has these ridiculous ideas, for which he does not present any evidence, false or otherwise to attempt to prove his assertions. He did blow this isue right up by getting so hostile about Krishna without any justification, and I just attempted to present more information before him to attempt to give him a more balanced perspective. It seems Vlad is a little prone to getting quite upset, like I should automatically know his theories in advance, and my attempts to balance his somewhat inappropriate and hasty approach just seem to annoy him, and
you
> notice this conversation and consider me to be at fault. Ok,ÃÂ ÃÂ you can avoid the issue of God having anything to do with the creation of the hollow earth if you like and stay with a purely material interest without any consideration of anything spiritual in all this, though I find the attitude a little strange, but maybe not so strange after all, if you are just basically a geographical explorer type. If someone is going to belittle me and what I sayÃÂ in public though, I believe I have a right to respond to attempt to present my views properly, and I have attempted, at length, to avoid creating offence. I have been doing the very opposite of trying to create offence here.
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> And fair enough, you don't have to be a raving Buddha it seems to get there, anyoneÃÂ can live there, especially the Jesus who allegedly visits the inner and outer earth earth according to someÃÂ who will bring in the extermination of all gentiles according to the Talmud,ÃÂ I do not mean to come on with religion here anyway, as Krishna says to abandon all religion.ÃÂ I just felt compelled to reply toÃÂ Vlad in as succinct a manner as possible to avoid misunderstanding.ÃÂ I saw his love light spiritual angel thing through the Alaje and other videos he posted and concurred that the spiritual aspect of it all is great, you know, like increased closeness to God in the inner earth and so on, but it seems Alaje and Vlad are very confused people and don't recognise real spiritual kindness and just tear it to pieces, damaging other reader's impressions about what I say as well, and I have never attacked Vlad's views, though he has attacked mine, though
I have never
> rubbished him privately or publicly, and now I am obliged to respond here too sadly.ÃÂ Basically Vlad is definitely trying to aim for a very confrontational scene after all my attempts for a gentlemanly discussion, he just wants heated conflict, which I have been very much trying to avoid with my diplomacy, so I think you have picked up on this in the wrong way, and at the wrong time,ÃÂ as the debate on this issue has gone on as far as it can anyway, as the man is blind with anger, prejudice and hate, and certainly with his last hot tempered communication, I think our debate is over anyway without you needing to tell me to stop communicating here on this issue.
> ÃÂ
> I picked up too on the idea of differing degrees of spirituality in the inner earth, and thought I could contribute, but got knocked I believe very harshly and very unfairly. So maybe you think I am pressuring Vlad or something and that you have to step in; I trust you have sent a similar message to him about this issue. I think he should have just allowed me to exist in peace without making his ridiculous claims in public, and I believe that I was obliged to respond to show him that I am not mistaken, and to do this in such a manner that is not inflammatory in the interessts of maintaining a good atmosphere.ÃÂ If Vlad had written to me in private, thenÃÂ I would respond to him in a likewise fashion; please check out the chronology of our 'debate', and the nature of the communications from each of us to each other. I put a lot of work into writing to try to be diplomatic and build harmony. All I get in return is raving about demonic reptiles, without
the
> common courtesy of properly reading what I write and responding in an intelligent manner, which is utterly ignorant. I am very generous, and forbearing, and know that people can change their views many times over the course of their lives, so I don't get hot over people's views, I just wanted to clear the air by attempting to establish at least some common ground that both Vlad and I could occupy.ÃÂ
> ÃÂ
> I believe I have not been offensive in my words to Vlad, yet he has knocked me quite hard, andÃÂ you also feel the need to speak against what I wrote. That is ok if you are an atheist, I am not here to proselytize, I actually thought I was just chiming in harmoniously with my comments on Vlads videos on the inner earth and on Alaje, rhey are quite big on God you may recognise. But it seems Vlad has a very strange and secretive theology very difficult for the rest of us to grasp, then, pow! I am some demon worshipper it seems, and now also I am bothering you too. Take a look at my comments on Vlad's videos, and on here, my comments areÃÂ highly positive, harmonious and complementary. Krishna enters into the inner earth equation because of the fact Rama is said to have dwelled here, so it is not a subject that is divorced from this issue. The issue of the inner earth is certainly deeply fascinating yes, I was just trying to be nice thats all, and I
would
> have thought someone could have offered a little intelligent and positive feedback on the info I provided about the beings coming from all over the universe to visit Krishna Chaitanya 500 years ago, as it involves spacecraft, and probably craft from the inner earth, with all the different creatures there. In accordance with your wishes I will not communicate with Vlad anymore here; he seems incapable of rational thought anyway judging from his last hostile and hot-tempered message which he fired off at me.
> ÃÂ
> Dave
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary <g.fleck@>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011, 9:59
> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
>
>
> ÃÂ
> Hi Dave, this is all getting a little preachy to me. This is not what the group is about, and not what most folks are here for. Gary
>
> --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi again Vlad,
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Well, I don't think you risk turning into the creation of a lower astral plane by trying a little meditation as you think, and that is certainly not what I was envisaging for you, but something much much nicer, I insist that I am not trying to poison you with the lower astral, and that you stop considering that I would attempt to put you in such a place. Krishna is the source of the entire cosmos, so He is hardly Indian. Identification with skin colour or nationality is a material tamasic/rajasic quality within sinful material maya, which covers all non-avatars in all the material planets, as they are all criminals in nature, here for a process of reformation, whilst they enjoy what they consider are their pleasures, material sex, cigarettes, intoxicants, meat-eating, identifying with the external material body as the spritual self and all other kinds of stupid mistakes.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > What possible genuine reasonsÃâàcan you have for repeating that Krishna is 'lower astral'.ÃâàMaterial nationality is not entertained by anyone intersted in genuine spiritual life, as we all originate in the topmost spiritual planet, as expansions of Lord Krishna, in Goloka Vrindavana, where there is perfection of eternal youthfulness and beauty, no old age, disease, death or any kind of negativity, or any kind of violence at all, even in thought, and everyone is revealed in their eternal natural spiritual forms, just like Krishna.ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > After all, there are literally trillions of nationalities going up to join the Vaikuntha planetary communities in the spiritual sky, and to qualify they must all leave all petty notions of nationality behind, as the material bodily covering is maya, or karma, something we must cease to identify with. I don't know who has tried to teach you negative views aboutÃâàVaishnava philosophy, but they have taught you nothing but useless and counterproductive negativity on this subject. The mantra I intended to put I seem to have typed poorly last night, it should have been:
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
> > Rama Rama, Hare Hare,
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Certainly all incarnations of Krishna will appear to be mundane flesh and blood by use of the mundane physical senses,Ãâàbut this is theÃâàeffect of the transcendental maya potency of Krishna that He uses to disguise Himself to all people, except those worthy to see Him because of the quality of their love for Him. Intimate devotees of Krishna see Him as the source of the entire cosmos, and the entire cosmos within Him, I have seen the vastness of cosmic spaceÃâàafter being drawn into the lotus eyes of Krishna whilst looking upon his lotus eyed face, the facets of which are immeasurably beautiful, whilst he appeared in front of me as I was standing wide awake after meditation, in full 3D, and I could see his entire body, as well as the forms of Lord Jagannatha, Lady Subhadra, and Lord Baladeva (His brother), and Lord Shiva as a giant cobra made of living jewels, all at the same time. All arguements that Krishna is one thing or
another should be
> looked at
> > again in the light of the teachings of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, an incarnation of Krishna who manifested in Mayapur, West Bengal, India in 1486.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > There are many historical and meticulously maintained historical documentsÃâàabout Him, look up the book all about Him,ÃâàChaitanya Charitamrita, K9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025âàwritten by people who were actually with Him noting down all His words and occurrences as they happened, nothing second or third hand, but direct. What standard in comparison to these are the sources of the teachings of your God?ÃâàAnd Chaitanya validated the previous incarnations of Krishna as incarnations of God. Chaitanya was called the golden avatar, because He was yellow-skinned, just as other incarnations of Krishna are different colours, they are not all blue or even blue-blooded as you claim. Study this book and you will see that Krishna is not dead as you claim, and you will see that He has wonderful transcendental spiritual potencies, to benefit all souls who love Him, which no ordinary soul could possess, most certainly not an ordinary demon
alien from the lower
> astral.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Chaitanya demonstrated here on earth that all types of human species can get along together successfully in spiritual culture even whilst they are living in this material world, and then ascend back to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, after this life, which offered the potential for the end of all war between the worlds and an end to uselessly maintained prejudiceÃâàtowards other species.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Of course if people wish to uselessly maintain such hatred through egotism about how good they are in comparison to other peoples, then this ideal will not be realised, and this problem will continue for each individual until they realise that souls in all species are all originally from the same transcendental position, and that we all belong back there, if we are willing to become cultured enough to return there, but unfortunatelyÃâàthis is something which most people are not prepared to work for, most just want something they think will bring them happiness very cheaply, very quickly, without giving their love to God; they would rather drop atom bombs on people and send others to hell for ever, that is how stupid they are.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > The mission of Krishna is how to reverse all the suffering, and introduce a revival of our original, eternal position of happiness with Krishna as our best friend.ÃâàThat is why He bothers to incarnate here, not to conquer or to steal, as you think, but to reawaken the fallen souls so that they can recover their natural true eternal happiness once again.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Because all souls are free to enjoy as they please, sometimes they choose their pleasures poorly, pleasures which can only be satisfied by living in a world like this,Ãâàand souls fall from eternal happiness again and again in the course of eternity, so Krishna continually incarnates in all species in all dimensions, in all planets, in all universes to remind souls of who they really are, so they can return to eternal happiness once again. The fact that Krishna appears in many places all at once differsÃâàwith your assertion that Krishna is an alien with only one body here, who died a long time ago.ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Of course,Ãâàsometimes diplomacy does not work, and people foolishly want to attack each other, and physical warfare sadly still has to take place, and we can see the lunatics attackingÃâàother almost defenceless peoples today in this world, though this is principally, almost totally, to fulfill the Talmudic idea of exterminating all gentiles (goyim=pig souls) from the face of the earth to fulfil the Talmudic edict of total world domination.ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Some governments tellÃâàterrible lies about who they are attacking and why, and if some ChristianÃâàtalks about Krishna, such a person will say Krishna is a demon and all sorts of other nonsense. You still have notÃâàanalysed the actual nature of the lower astral, which I describedÃâà(in fact you can just use my definition), now if what you and Alaje say was true, then Krishna would be very tamasic, or bad-natured in His teachings and His actions, but He is actually full of very spiritual recommendations for everyone to practice, and the abode of Vaikuntha He describes is certainly not lower astral, or tamasic, as you think (who teaches you this? They have given you a very sick and twisted perspective, could you quote me your references please, and I will read them and let you know what I think), nor is the spiritual reality He describesÃâàeven of a rajasic nature, nor confinedÃâàeven to a merely sattvic nature,
the nature of Vaikuntha is vastly
> superior to
> > all three types of material frequencies (ignorance = tamasic, material passionÃâà= rajas, material goodness, like good angelic qualities = sattvic).
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Seriously, read the literature I give the links to, likeÃâàÃâàÃâàK9Win ✔️ Link Truy Cập Trang Chủ Website Nhà Cái K9Win 2025âàSri Brahma-samhita, then you cannot in all seriousness as a genuine scholar come back to me and tell me that this is tamasic, from the lower astral.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > I am very interested, since you believe in God, what is the identity of your God? I know we are both agreed that Yahweh is pure evil, and all three Abrahamic religions with Him, (after Jesus the messiah comes, the Jews say in the Talmud that all goyim (gentiles) are to be exterminated and sent to eternal hell under the angel Duma, so that is not very nice is it?). Well, Krishna is the God that these devotees of the false god Yahweh rebelled against, so you must tell me the name of your God, His scriptures and teachings, that are so much better than those of Krishna, as I think you will find the teachings of Krishna hard to beat, in fact I think impossible to beat. Like I said, Krishna does not have any name in truth, so if you simply ask the cosmos,
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > "Lord God of all the gods, whoevever you are, whichever one of you gods is the Lord God of the entire cosmos, please reveal yourself to me and guide me, and teach me how to pray, and to benefit the entire cosmos in all that I do, within You and through You; please do not let any imposter come between me and you, as I only want to be taught by You".ÃâàÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > For me, the form of Krishna is manifest when I do that type of prayer, which you can rephrase in whatever words appeal to you the best. There is nothing to differ over here surely, as the true God will manifest, and anyway,ÃâàGod will manifest in many different forms depending on the depth , intent, and sincerity of your prayer.ÃâàIn short, because God is the greater part of you, even without you thinking of the name or form of Krishna, God will try to help you enjoy as wisely as possible whatever pleasures you wish to enjoy whilst holidaying here in this material world.ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > For me the name Krishna is just a short cut, but simply praying to be with the true Lord God of the entire cosmos will still put you in touch with that person,Ãâàand there are many forms of God to be sure. I quite like the Jagannatha form for instance, which is not blue coloured at all. You can choose God in any non blue, non-Indian form you like, there are many eternal forms of God that can satisfy your desire in this regard, and if your prayers are sincerely to be of benefit to the entire cosmos, and you are with some form of the real God, even if it is not blue skinned, how can anyone argue with you, because you would still be with God, not some imposter. But be aware that on the inner planes, there are many imposters who imitate the form of Krishna and all other forms of God; your only protection is your genuine sincerity to serve the real God and to be of some degree of benefit to all other souls thoughout the entire cosmos, in the
spiritual and
> > material realms.ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Perhaps Alaje has encountered some imposter and has not realised this. However, if you pray like this, and God manifects to you in any form at all, and you think He is just some demon from the lower astral, then you must agree that it would be you who is at fault in that instance, and not God; be prepared to recognise God always in your life. He can be extremely intimate in your life, as He is in truth, behind the veil of illusion, the substance of your entire physical and subtle body in this world, as well as the entire world itself.ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > With best regards,
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Dave
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Russell Viers <UNIVERSAL1222@>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 20:52
> > Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> >
> >
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâàHi all,
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâàI'd like to interject an opinion ifÃâàI may. I too, was lured into the possibility that the individual called Alaje was in fact, a real Plejaren during the time he first came out with his videos. I thought this was flawless at first, but then as more and more videos came out, I observed red flags that has now caused a 360 degree turn from the views that I once held for this so called "Pleiadian of the Galactic Federation".
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâàItÃâàhas nothing really to do with his "New Age" information, some of which may be true, other parts which is open to examination and debate, but more with his claims of being an actual extraterrestrial.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâàFor a Pleiadian, he seems to be very slopy in in some of his video presentations, byÃâàdisplaying what we think are real UFOs and flying saucers,Ãâàbut include without discrimination, material from George Adamski, who according to the Meier contact reports was not in contact ant Venusians but instead fooled by German UFO pilots from Brazil who were probably ordered to put on silver foil jump suits, let their harr grow long and impersonate nordic extraterrestrials.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâàIt actually seems as if Alaje is doing the same thing now, in impersonating a Pleiadian. He speaks German or English with a German accent, (the way the so called ET called Orthon did) yet people are fooled by his sweet calm voice and itellectual information. I would not at all be surprised if Alaje turns out to be a fraud because this would not be the first time that a German has pretended to be a nordic ET with long blonde hair.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâàIts just like with these websites that are popping up in the CzechÃâàrepublic called by various titles such as universe-people.com, which are probably disinformation designed to look authentic. The latter website promotes a thinly vieled doom and gloom Bible scenario and by the same token, Alaje talks about an imminent Reptilian take over if people don't embrace his overused philosophy of love. Of course, recent information coming from the bibliotecapleyades website refutes such claims and instead,Ãâàtells us that the Reptilian/Grey control over earth is at an end, caused by the Andromeda council's use of sonic weapons to destroy underground bases in D.C. and Denver (this is the cause for the mysterious quakes in those areas).
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâàEarth is supposed to enter into a 4th dimensional sate of vibration, a golden age, not a manufactured Biblical end times period. This is why one needs to be cautious of any ET claiming to promote doom and gloom prophecies rather than the fact, that we can by our own thoughts create our own realities.
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > Ãâà~Russ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> > ÃâÃÂ
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/3/11, Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Vladimir Kudin <vlkudin@>
> > Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Pleiadian ALAJE
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:10 AM
> >
> > ÃâÃÂ
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Dave Glover <funloki777@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello again Vlad,
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > Thankyou for all the angel videos, this one I find very good, Angelic Race Elohim 1/5, and your other videos about flying saucers connected with Germany and the inner earth, these I find genuine.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > However I was sad to see that the Alaje guy speaks about Krishna on his English site and states Krishna is just from the lower astral. That meanst that Alaje is an egotistical fraud, and anyway, he sounds very Jewish to me, like many other psy ops manipulators, there are quite a few Israeli guys with his accent speaking regularly here in London, teaching that they have become God, and asking for lots of money to teach people how to become God. Yet they cannot speak English very well, and certainly not many other languages, and when you question them, they say that God is just some kind of energy who does not get involved with thses things.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > Becoming God is something that Jews like to imagine because of their jealous and demonic nature.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > I would sincerely not get involved with him if I were you, as I think he is making a fool of you by the fact of your seeking to popularise him. The fact that he sees thinks Krishna is on the lower astral, which is pure hatred, jealousy, evil, greed,ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàviolence and ignorance, typified with addiction to lazinesss, drugs, meat eating, excessive sleeping etc is pathetic, no one who has any real experience of Krishna could possibly talk such rubbish. Only one type of person talks like this, and that is demonic people who consider themselves more spiritual than everybody else.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > If you want to experince Krishna, He is not able to be experienced with ordinary earth vibration senses, this is why you have no seen Him, because you have not done yoga, you say so yourself in one of your comments. Krishna is not so cheap that we can say if He is not here right now in front of us with our ordinary eyes, that he simply does not exist, please try a little mantra yoga, this is the best of all mantras you can chant:
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
> > > Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare,
> > > Hare Hare Rama, Rama Rama
> > > Rama Rama, Hare Hare
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > Anyway the danavas, led by King Maya Danava, from Talataloka (second ssystem of planets up from the lowest of 14 successively higher spiritually aware material planets in this material universeÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàwho attacked Harappa in ancient India with nuclear weapons are linked with this. Krishna was attacked by nuclear weapons during His reign upon this earth, and there are many accounts of similar demons who think Krishna is just an ordinary person, and are surpprised to find that He is much more than they expected, and Krishna is so merciful that He liberates the demons who fight against Him personally (though not those who fight against His devotees) so they come to live in the heavenly spiritual world.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > I see you have done an immense amount of research on ancient India and interplanetary conflict, which is very interesting reading, thankyou for presenting that on Youtube,ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâànow the danavas have settled all over the globe as ordinary human beings, and the daityas, and they sided with Sukracarya, a guru who sided with the demons against Lord Krishna, I think with all this Jesus bullshit that Alaje talks of, you will eventually find that Jesus and the Yahweh side, (Jesus is after all predicted only in Jewish Yahweh scripture, think about it-if Jesus is really nothing to do with Yahweh, how come all the evil Abramanic religions claim Jesus as their own? There is something very bad there),ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàand the Venusians, with their Jesus, predicted in the evil Yahweh religion, haveÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàsome sinister connection together that they will not want you to know about. Alaje will talk about guardian angels that merge with
the communal higher self, but he
> does not appear to
> > mention
> > > a personal God with eternal form, which Krishna has.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > If we were just formless energy, why would we all be in bodies to evolve? And if we were all just one energy, how could we ever separate into individual consciousness, it would simply not be possible. If Alaje believes in God, I think he is making some false conception upÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàof what God is, bullshit rainbows and white light. What he saysÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàdoes not make sense. The truth is that we have eternal individual spiritual forms, and so does Krishna, and He is actually part of us too, not in a metaphorical sense, but quite literally, so that our senses are many times more awake in connection with God, and only in connection with God. Smaller individual souls like us, tiny compared to His cosmic dimension in comparison, cannot spiritually sustain even one other soul, but Krishna is big enough to give all souls love and keep them awake in the spiritual world. Krishna has no name in truth, the name is just a description of His
qualities, the most
> attractive of
> > all
> > > beings, just like the sun in this solar system attracts everyones's attention, but on a much larger scale.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > The journey as I am sure you will appreciate is ultimately nothing to do with spaceships or extended lifespans anywhere in the material world. The supreme dimension is Krishna Himself, and to return to completeness as a great community of awakened individual spiritual souls in Vaikuntha, in Krishna,ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàis the ultimate purpose of life, it is true existence.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > You would get a lot of good spiritual knowledge by actually reading my essay 'metanoia', not dismissing it so quickly, and studying the links I provide in there to books like Sri Brahma-samhita, as I am notÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàaÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàblind and foolishÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàreligious believer like you might think, I have a very scientific mind and dismiss anything that cannot be perceived directly by me as reality in one dimension or another.ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâàThen you will see that Krishna is nothing to do with the lower astral; study also the definition of the lower astral in occult works, it is a truly dark, violent nasty place filled with fear and hate. That Alaje thinks Krishna is there says to me that he has a lot of evil demonic prejudice for sinister reasons, and that he can only see such badness in Krishna because he is part of a race that has been attacking Him through jealousy, as the danavas did, and also wants to make bad
propaganda up about Krishna so that he will
> easily be able to feed on
> > people who
> > > have no spiritual protection because he, Alaje,ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàhas encouraged them to stay away from Him. What business does Alaje have with people, does he think he himself is god maybe, or a high priest of the 'energy' god? His real duty should be not to build up his own followers, but to encourage people to accept God, maybe Alaje charges a lot of money for his fancy trips to Sedona and so on and takes gullible rich people for as much money as he can, the idle rich with plenty of spare time and money on their hands who just like to be pampered; ask Alaje how much it costs to go with him on a pilgrimage.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > The danavas did not think that Krishna was theÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàgreater part of themselves, but just an ordinary individual who they should fight and steal from, because they had not bothered to meditate properly to recognise Him as who He actually is. Yet Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is recorded 500 years ago as having met with examples of all types of human beings ( there are 400,000 types of human species in this material universe) from all 14 material planetary systems in this particular universe, and theyÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàwere all convinced He was God, (He incarnates in all species all over all the universe, in each of the billions of universes, regularly, and His disciplesÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàcame here from all over this particular material universe for a very special meeting to dance and chant with him). The evidence for this is contained inÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàthe link in my essay I gave to you, 'metanoia', at the bottom of the essay, I also put
it in one of your video comment boxes.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > If Alaje draws you completelyÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàinto his circle, he will be able to feed off your life force like a vampire, like all the other false gurus here today, and this is what all beings in the material world do who can only conceive of even higher consciousness, as 'energy'. Krishna is not energy, and neither are we, we are eternal souls, and so is Krishna, He cannot be absorbed in little pieces like electrons like dog food; He is all one piece.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > I can assure you Vlad, Alaje is nothing but an imposter and a fraud, no matter where he comes from, Israel or the Pleiades. The destination of Alaje is the lower astral with all the demons if he carries on attacking Krishna like that, as Krishna lives within the centre of every soul, like a string threaded through pearls, He is within everyone, and knows all their loves and all their hates. He will not like it if Alaje continues to give out false teaching that causes hostility towards Him, as it will prevent the spiritual completion of many souls within Krishna, as they will not want to link up with Him.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > With best regards, and good wishes for your continued spiritual progress; I want you to have some wide awake experince of Krishna so you will know He is not just some lower astral entity or merely some dream.
> > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ÃâÃÂ
> > > Dave (mothman777)
> > >
> > Hello Dave
> > And can be truly Indian gods ---> the creation of a lower astral plane!
> > I will try to argue Alaje words.
> > I have information that Indian gods were blue blood.
> > They fought many wars against the Asuras, they stole the drink of immortality Myrtha.
> > Blue blood gods - were created by Anunnaki and have 50% of the genes Anunnaki.
> > Gods of India (the ancient empire of Rama or Ram Raj) or Lemuria (Mu) Lumer (Lumer denotes those from Nibiru) waged war against the White Island Atlantis (Atala). They called the Atlanteans - Ashwins.
> > On Nibiru (in the cavity of the planet inhabited by the Anunnaki - demons reptiles)
> > Lemurians - a humanoid form OF the Anunnaki - where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and 50% of the genes human.
> > you're talking about the attack on the empire Rama (Harrapa) - nuclear the crater all over India
> > But the craters, not only in India - there is in Ireland. In Africa and other continents. The war was waged around the world. And not only on earth but on Mars and Venus, and the satellites of Saturn and Jupiter. And in the cavities of the planets and satellites.
> > I will say more - it was a war of Atlantis or the Nephilim- against the Lemurians (Rama or Ram Raj).
> > Maybe on the side of Atlantis were inhabitants of Sirius, Orion - which are also considered to be bad)
> > Maybe on the side of the Atlanteans were also part of the Elohim.
> >
> > On the side of the Lemurians were probably Sauri (where 50% of the genes Anunnaki and terrestrial dinosaurs), and Anunnaki themselves and Gray. And other creatures.
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> > About the Alaje - yes it is only human....
> > I do not care about his financial issues
> > information about the war between the Atlanteans and Lemurians was obtained not from him
> > Atlantis - they were tall people - Nordic.
> > Lemurians - too high but with red skin or blue blood and blue skin.
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> > Danavas - this is not Elohim,
> > Daiti and Danavas(sons of Diti and Danu) - it's demons, demonistic creatures
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> > lemurians (or Rama) called nordic people from atala island - Ashvin
> > Atala - retranslated like White.
> > On this island in Atlantean ocean lived white (nordic ) people
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> > "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
> > Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
> > http://jcsm.org/biblelessons/Gadarenes.htm
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> > This Yahweh religion comes from the egotistical idiots and fraudsters who would try to con us into believing that someone other than God is actually God, some person that they elected themselves. This was a big split from Vedic culture under Krishna and His incarnations on this earth, as the earth was at one time, in a more sattvic era, under the peaceful and happy Kingship of SupremeÃâàLord Krishna in a world wide kingdom known as Bharata Varsha.ÃâÃÂ
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> > "All Israelites will have a part in the future world - The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell". Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-LekhaÃâà.
> > "Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: ''Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh, they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.' ÃâàAt the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: ' 'The Lord alone will appear great on that day! ...'" Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
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