On Topic

[deandddd]

People,

Let´s keep the messages on topic, or somehow related. Astronomy
relates. UFOs, crop circles, and rods also relate in that their origin
is largely from beneath the surface of this planet.

Dean

[ange_baldacci]

Refering to another post: Would you please remove me from all the Hollow Earth mailing lists.
There are a lot of out of topic posts and I am unfortunately beginning to think the same way.
Ange

@deandddd

People, Let´s keep the messages on topic, or somehow related. Astronomy relates. UFOs, crop circles, and rods also relate in that their origin is largely from beneath the surface of this planet. Dean

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[deandddd]

Ange,

I am moderating the list again.

That one person went a little overboard with the posting, huh? I am
sorry that we lost a member because of that. Not everyone wants to
hear what we have to say. They signed up for on-topic stuff, and you
can´t ram other things down people´s throats.

Ok, we all learn, no problem. But from now on, we are moderated again.

Dean

@ange_baldacci

Refering to another post: Would you please remove me from all the Hollow Earth mailing lists. There are a lot of out of topic posts and I am unfortunately beginning to think the same way. Ange …

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[Judith_Hedden]

Thanks so much DD to you and List. The introductory material you post
and repost for newbies is great but it never goes on to a new level of
learning, just seems to hang there and be all there is.
L&L, Lea.

[deandddd]

Yes, Judith- it is just like you say. It has been like this for years
and it is hard to take it to the next level. I mean, what are you
supposed to do? It is rather difficult to go there, it is not as if you
could just drive your car. Or should you just overthrow the NWO order
firs because they are hiding all his or, if not overthrow, then at
least expose them. But what do you do? Go to the street corner, tug at
someone´s sleeve and then explain the whole thing to them?

"I tell ya- Life ain´t easy for a boy named Sue."

Dean

[ange_baldacci]

So what do you mean by the next level of learning?If you want this indicate clearly what are these upper level teachings.Otherwise the debate will be always the same.I joined that list to discuss of hollow planets,consequently of astronomy, geology,geomagnetism and so on from a non conventional point of view.But it seems nobodys is inclined to do so.Only are posts from twilighted self publishers and book sellers.And it is very sad for the so called hollow earth.
Ange

@deandddd

Yes, Judith- it is just like you say. It has been like this for years and it is hard to take it to the next level. I mean, what are you supposed to do? It is rather difficult to go there, it is not …

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[deandddd]

Ange,

Next level? Nobody inclined to take it to that level? Exactly. Some
people are attracted to the Tibetan folklore part of the Hollow Earth
Theory (HET), some to the political conspiracy side, some to the
scientific geology point of view, some to the alternative astronomy
side, some to the Arctic body of evidence, some the underground UFO
side, some to cavern worlds within the crust- how to get everyone on
the same page?

One thing is for sure- most people won´t talk about physics too much,
and don´t care to. If you bring up and thread and carry it, though,
more than a few will get involved.

What is important is that the HET survive and that we cultivat new
blood with, yes, the same evidence that veterans of the list have
already seen over the last year or two.

I think that "next level" means trained HET presenters who can make
presentations and defend the theory without get trapped. One has to
know the arguments.

Dean

@ange_baldacci

So what do you mean by the next level of learning?If you want this

indicate clearly what are these upper level teachings.Otherwise the
debate will be always the same.I joined that list to discuss of
hollow planets,consequently of astronomy, geology,geomagnetism and so
on from a non conventional point of view.But it seems nobodys is
inclined to do so.Only are posts from twilighted self publishers and
book sellers.And it is very sad for the so called hollow earth.

Ange

@ange_baldacci

Yes, Judith- it is just like you say. It has been like this for
years
and it is hard to take it to the next level. I mean, what are you
supposed to do? It is rather difficult to go there, it is not as if
you
could just drive your car. Or should you just overthrow the NWO
order
firs because they are hiding all his or, if not overthrow, then at
least expose them. But what do you do? Go to the street corner, tug
at
someone´s sleeve and then explain the whole thing to them?

"I tell ya- Life ain´t easy for a boy named Sue."

Dean

@ange_baldacci

Thanks so much DD to you and List. The introductory material you
post
and repost for newbies is great but it never goes on to a new
level of
learning, just seems to hang there and be all there is.
L&L, Lea.

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[ange_baldacci]

Dean
I dont want to extend that argumentation but my question was for the first post author.She seems to complain about that introductory material you post indefinitively and which never goes to an °newer level of learning°.Hence she seems to know what IS that level of learning and would have appreciated her answer.
Anyway your post doesnt respond directly to my question and bring it to another lets say °level°.Gardner s book,famous explorators such as Nansen and Etidorpha are masterpieces of HET.They give real scientific evidences as you say of HET or at least another conception of our planet and consequently our universe.And here there is no speculative imagination nor manipulation involved.They never talk about UFOs,conspiracy or Tibetan folklore '(they did with the esquimos and thats understandable) crops circles or ascencion.(If this is the new blood you are talking then I strongly disagree)Thats why we are still refering to them today.And today there are also abondant real materials for the HET.Contrary to what you say there is only one page.Those who are not on it doesnt speak the same language and doesnt refer to HET.Its a big confusion which confuse the first readers.
Now I understand you need posts to fill in your list but you should emphasize on the physic and sound science side which should be the majority of the posts
Ange

@deandddd

Ange,

Next level? Nobody inclined to take it to that level? Exactly. Some
people are attracted to the Tibetan folklore part of the Hollow Earth
Theory (HET), some to the political conspiracy side, some to the
scientific geology point of view, some to the alternative astronomy
side, some to the Arctic body of evidence, some the underground UFO
side, some to cavern worlds within the crust- how to get everyone on
the same page?

One thing is for sure- most people won´t talk about physics too much,
and don´t care to. If you bring up and thread and carry it, though,
more than a few will get involved.

What is important is that the HET survive and that we cultivat new
blood with, yes, the same evidence that veterans of the list have
already seen over the last year or two.

I think that "next level" means trained HET presenters who can make
presentations and defend the theory without get trapped. One has to
know the arguments.

Dean

@deandddd

So what do you mean by the next level of learning?If you want this

indicate clearly what are these upper level teachings.Otherwise the
debate will be always the same.I joined that list to discuss of
hollow planets,consequently of astronomy, geology,geomagnetism and so
on from a non conventional point of view.But it seems nobodys is
inclined to do so.Only are posts from twilighted self publishers and
book sellers.And it is very sad for the so called hollow earth.

Ange

@deandddd

Yes, Judith- it is just like you say. It has been like this for
years
and it is hard to take it to the next level. I mean, what are you
supposed to do? It is rather difficult to go there, it is not as if
you
could just drive your car. Or should you just overthrow the NWO
order
firs because they are hiding all his or, if not overthrow, then at
least expose them. But what do you do? Go to the street corner, tug
at
someone´s sleeve and then explain the whole thing to them?

"I tell ya- Life ain´t easy for a boy named Sue."

Dean

@deandddd

Thanks so much DD to you and List. The introductory material you
post
and repost for newbies is great but it never goes on to a new
level of
learning, just seems to hang there and be all there is.
L&L, Lea.

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[deandddd]

Ange,

This list used to be principally a hollow earth, alternative science
list. And hardly a soul really took up on it, and
scientific "beliefs" caused so much polemics that others became
alienated from the list.

I came to the conclusion that most people just don´t pay so much
attention to astronomers "a la NASA", and could care less; that they
pay about as much attention to the astronomers as they do to the
politicians. They take it for granted that the scientists should be
taken with a grain of salt without going into specifics, and then
they want to know what you know about the opening, the Arctic
evidence, the Tibetan folklore about Shamballa, a satellite image,
ect.

But it always helps to do some scientific posting now and then, so
you certainly are welome to carry a thread.

Dean

@ange_baldacci

Now I understand you need posts to fill in your list but you should
emphasize on the physic and sound science side which should be the
majority of the posts
Ange

@ange_baldacci

Ange,

Next level? Nobody inclined to take it to that level? Exactly. Some
people are attracted to the Tibetan folklore part of the Hollow
Earth
Theory (HET), some to the political conspiracy side, some to the
scientific geology point of view, some to the alternative astronomy
side, some to the Arctic body of evidence, some the underground UFO
side, some to cavern worlds within the crust- how to get everyone
on
the same page?

One thing is for sure- most people won´t talk about physics too
much,
and don´t care to. If you bring up and thread and carry it, though,
more than a few will get involved.

What is important is that the HET survive and that we cultivat new
blood with, yes, the same evidence that veterans of the list have
already seen over the last year or two.

I think that "next level" means trained HET presenters who can make
presentations and defend the theory without get trapped. One has to
know the arguments.

Dean

@ange_baldacci

So what do you mean by the next level of learning?If you want

this

@ange_baldacci

indicate clearly what are these upper level teachings.Otherwise the
debate will be always the same.I joined that list to discuss of
hollow planets,consequently of astronomy, geology,geomagnetism and
so
on from a non conventional point of view.But it seems nobodys is
inclined to do so.Only are posts from twilighted self publishers
and
book sellers.And it is very sad for the so called hollow earth.

Ange

@ange_baldacci

Yes, Judith- it is just like you say. It has been like this for

years

and it is hard to take it to the next level. I mean, what are you
supposed to do? It is rather difficult to go there, it is not as

if

@ange_baldacci

you

could just drive your car. Or should you just overthrow the NWO

order

firs because they are hiding all his or, if not overthrow, then
at
least expose them. But what do you do? Go to the street corner,

tug

@ange_baldacci

at

someone´s sleeve and then explain the whole thing to them?

"I tell ya- Life ain´t easy for a boy named Sue."

Dean

@ange_baldacci

Thanks so much DD to you and List. The introductory material

you

@ange_baldacci

post

and repost for newbies is great but it never goes on to a new

level of

learning, just seems to hang there and be all there is.
L&L, Lea.

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[Crenshawdg]

Fellow Insiders:

I started researching the Hollow Earth Enigma over 30 years ago. Early in
my search for the truth about the make-up of our planet I came to the
realization that "staying on topic," as some see it, is impossible.

If the earth is hollow then there is a conspiracy to keep it that way. To
think any other way is asinine. How can you understand [what?] and [why?] ...
without knowing who?

Realizing that, the next steps leads into the murky world of Controlled
Scientific Knowledge and government cover-ups ... Mad Scientists & Men in Black.

During my years of studying the Hollow Earth enigma I followed Admiral Byrd
to both poles and learned of the secrecy of his scientific research and his
financing by the Rockerfellers and their pals which naturally lead to studies
of the NWO movement.

My Polar search for evidence of a hole-at-the-pole led me into a world of
Nazi's, Nordic legends and scientific mystery, and once again ... Admiral Byrd.

Looking for historical leads led me into ancient history and America's early
civilizations ....

As one can see from the above few examples of the threads of study on this
topic there is more to the subject than just proving the fact that the earth
is hollow (if it is).

If you are serious about studying the ENTIRE Hollow Earth Enigma then you
need to study all the connecting topics. Otherwise you'd be better off
dropping the subject after reading "The Hollow Earth" by Raymond Bernard and start
reading the Harry Potter books.

Your hollow headed friend,
Dennis Crenshaw
Editor
www.thehollowearthinsider.com (http://www.thehollowearthinsider.com)

[June_Black]

Hi Dean and all
I have a message of an interview from Lacerta whos is a reptilian being from underground with a human. I am not sure if it was posted on this site but if anyone is interested I will forward the post to the group.
June

[ange_baldacci]

Dennis
I understand very well your stance.If you are a Truth seeker of any kind any event in life could lead you to IT through different stages provided you dont loose your reason.All you described in your post are real facts.But since a few weeks there were allowed some posts which have nothing to do with HET but with hoax and manipulation.And I feel much better with Harry Potter.
I would not make any comment of Bernard who for me enter in the first category.
Ange

[ange_baldacci]

Dean
I wasnt talking about scientifics beliefs and I distrust myself official appointed a la Nasa or whatever astronomers or scientists.There are now sufficiently official materials which could be interpreted for the HET as the old explorators did in the past but also private researchers of all kind who have a good deal of evidence related to what could be the hollow activity of planets.
When I said sound science I meant non conventional science which for me encompass conventional science.Orthodox devices no matter how sophisticated they might be give datas which could lead to any kind of concept provided your open mindedness.
Now to carry a thread well I dont think I can or want an Diogene like attitude( not presomptuous from my part) unless I find some counterparts.
Ange

@deandddd

Ange,

This list used to be principally a hollow earth, alternative science
list. And hardly a soul really took up on it, and
scientific "beliefs" caused so much polemics that others became
alienated from the list.

I came to the conclusion that most people just don´t pay so much
attention to astronomers "a la NASA", and could care less; that they
pay about as much attention to the astronomers as they do to the
politicians. They take it for granted that the scientists should be
taken with a grain of salt without going into specifics, and then
they want to know what you know about the opening, the Arctic
evidence, the Tibetan folklore about Shamballa, a satellite image,
ect.

But it always helps to do some scientific posting now and then, so
you certainly are welome to carry a thread.

Dean

@deandddd

Now I understand you need posts to fill in your list but you should
emphasize on the physic and sound science side which should be the
majority of the posts
Ange

@deandddd

Ange,

Next level? Nobody inclined to take it to that level? Exactly. Some
people are attracted to the Tibetan folklore part of the Hollow
Earth
Theory (HET), some to the political conspiracy side, some to the
scientific geology point of view, some to the alternative astronomy
side, some to the Arctic body of evidence, some the underground UFO
side, some to cavern worlds within the crust- how to get everyone
on
the same page?

One thing is for sure- most people won´t talk about physics too
much,
and don´t care to. If you bring up and thread and carry it, though,
more than a few will get involved.

What is important is that the HET survive and that we cultivat new
blood with, yes, the same evidence that veterans of the list have
already seen over the last year or two.

I think that "next level" means trained HET presenters who can make
presentations and defend the theory without get trapped. One has to
know the arguments.

Dean

@deandddd

So what do you mean by the next level of learning?If you want

this

@deandddd

indicate clearly what are these upper level teachings.Otherwise the
debate will be always the same.I joined that list to discuss of
hollow planets,consequently of astronomy, geology,geomagnetism and
so
on from a non conventional point of view.But it seems nobodys is
inclined to do so.Only are posts from twilighted self publishers
and
book sellers.And it is very sad for the so called hollow earth.

Ange

@deandddd

Yes, Judith- it is just like you say. It has been like this for

years

and it is hard to take it to the next level. I mean, what are you
supposed to do? It is rather difficult to go there, it is not as

if

@deandddd

you

could just drive your car. Or should you just overthrow the NWO

order

firs because they are hiding all his or, if not overthrow, then
at
least expose them. But what do you do? Go to the street corner,

tug

@deandddd

at

someone´s sleeve and then explain the whole thing to them?

"I tell ya- Life ain´t easy for a boy named Sue."

Dean

@deandddd

Thanks so much DD to you and List. The introductory material

you

@deandddd

post

and repost for newbies is great but it never goes on to a new

level of

learning, just seems to hang there and be all there is.
L&L, Lea.

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[deandddd]

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allplanets-hollow wrote:

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Fellow Insiders:

I started researching the Hollow Earth Enigma over 30 years ago. Early in
my search for the truth about the make-up of our planet I came to the
realization that "staying on topic," as some see it, is impossible.

If the earth is hollow then there is a conspiracy to keep it that way. To
think any other way is asinine. How can you understand [what?] and [why?]
... without knowing who?

Realizing that, the next steps leads into the murky world of Controlled
Scientific Knowledge and government cover-ups ... Mad Scientists & Men in
Black.

Dennis,

I realize this and agree. This is why we have always dabbled in UFOs,
conspiracies, alternative astronomy, ect. You can´t just always look at the
Hollow Earth evidence directly.

But we even ended up getting posts on Edgar Caycee´s new reincarnation, and
one lady in Australia said good-bye.

Dean

During my years of studying the Hollow Earth enigma I followed Admiral Byrd
to both poles and learned of the secrecy of his scientific research and his
financing by the Rockerfellers and their pals which naturally lead to
studies of the NWO movement.

My Polar search for evidence of a hole-at-the-pole led me into a world of
Nazi's, Nordic legends and scientific mystery, and once again ... Admiral
Byrd.

Looking for historical leads led me into ancient history and America's early
civilizations ....

As one can see from the above few examples of the threads of study on this
topic there is more to the subject than just proving the fact that the earth
is hollow (if it is).

If you are serious about studying the ENTIRE Hollow Earth Enigma then you
need to study all the connecting topics. Otherwise you'd be better off
dropping the subject after reading "The Hollow Earth" by Raymond Bernard and
start reading the Harry Potter books.

Your hollow headed friend,

Dennis Crenshaw

Editor

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