Lead spheres

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At 10:19 3/7/01 +0000, Jan Lamprecht wrote:

Mike has asked me to come and answer questions relating to the hollow
earth/hollow planets. I'm told there are some people here with a serious
scientific background who have questions to ask.

That would be me. :slight_smile:

My big sticking point on the proposed alternatives to gravity that
I've seen is that they don't account well for a lot of basic phenomena,
like the attraction of lead spheres in the classic experiment for
measuring G, let alone the weird things that happen when Newtonian
gravity breaks down and you need to use Einsteinian gravity.
General relativity has proved to be an astonishingly accurate
predictor of the outcome of experiments, so I'm inclined to doubt
theories that can't replicate its results.

Max,

You mentioned that “ My big sticking point on the proposed alternatives to
gravity that
I've seen is that they don't account well for a lot of basic phenomena, like
the attraction of lead spheres ...”

All you have done is catch a few lay explanations, of Cater’s HE model, from
me, so I am disappointed that you now define to the group that these other
explanations don’t account for a certain gravitational phenomnena.

I think that one problem with getting Cater's model across is that you
already have such a science background. It is hard to come along to a
physicist and tell him that everything that he has learned is wrong ( of
course, I am exagerrating in order to make my point ). But really, so many
of the theories, like big bang, depend on gravity as determined by the
density of mass. When you pull out the carpet, a lot comes tumbling down and
the king has no clothes. So it is hard to get a person who already has such
a background to be objective. For this reason, it is good to have somebody
from outside the area, like me, to come in and start poking his nose around.
He ( I ) may be oversimplistic about things in some ways, but he can readily
accept other points because he has no previous attachments.

On my side, I am still looking for something in Newtonian gravity which
accounts for the paucious effect of the Sun on the tides- according to its
mass, it should have a much more significant effect. I was hoping that you
might feel that enough had been presented to you to warrant further
investigation of Mr. Cater’s presentation, i.e., enough to go on. When I
brought up this observation on the sun’s lack of effect, you just replied
that the sun must exert the gravity due to its mass because of a certain
anomaly in Mercury’s orbit, and the bending of light around the sun. Do you
see what I mean? I bring up a very good piece of evidence- the sun is the
largest object that we can see in the sky and the ocean is the largest body
on the face of the earth- but you have other ideas because you have been
schooled already by conventional science. The effects which you mention can
have other explanations, of course; Frode gave one or two to you.

About the lead sphere experiments- you already know that the Cavendish-type
experiments are the ones involving the attraction between lead spheres, of
course. Mr. Cater gives an explanation of this in Chapter four.

He’ll explain that the agitation of ethers by the thermal agitation of
electrons produces low frequency particles which are easily transformed to
the gravity-inducing range. I think that one idea is that the heat used in
the Cavendish experiments doesn’t mimic true conditions, such that the
results are different.

Another point is that the gravity inducing that takes place in a small
sphere will not mimic the conditions throughout a large globe, one of at
least 150 miles in diameter. This is because the production of
gravity-inducing radiation is not uniform throughout a globe of that size,
although it is throughout the lead spheres used in the Cavendish
experiments.

Anyway, these are my lay interpretations of Cater. Here is the piece from
Chapte four:

AN EXPLANATION FOR THE MAGNITUDES OF EARTH AND MOON GRAVITY

All matter continuously radiates soft particles of many different kinds due
to the interactions of the fundamental particles. These radiated particles
undergo a transformation effect, according to the redistribution law, when
passing through large concentrations of matter. When this occurs, some of
the radiation is transformed into gravity-inducing radiations. This is the
source of some of the earth and moon surface gravity. The greatest
contributing factor to earth and moon gravity is the transformation of
radiation resulting from the thermal agitation of atoms and molecules. The
particles resulting from this activity are comprised of lower frequency
photons. Such radiation is more readily transformed into gravity-inducing
radiations, because it is closer to this frequency band to begin with. A
significant portion of such radiation, originating miles below the surface,
is transfered into gravity-producing energies by the time it reaches the
surface. Most of the earth and moon gravity radiations are created in the
first fifty miles of their crusts. Below that level, much of the energy from
the sun has been transformed into softer particles, and the material of the
earth and moon is permeated with them.

These soft particles will screen out gravity radiations more effectively
than solid matter, because the ethers they are associated with, are closer
in frequency to those of the gravity radiations. The reason moon gravity
is nearly equal to earth gravity now becomes apparent. AT THE SAME TIME, IT
IS CLEAR WHY THE FAMED CAVENDISH EXPERIMENT FOR DETERMINING THE SO-CALLED
GRAVITATIONAL CONSTANT WAS MISLEADING. THERE WASN’T ENOUGH MATERIAL IN THE
BODIES USED IN THE EXPERIMENT TO PRODUCE AND TRANSFORMATION OF RADIATIONS.
[ In other words, not enough material for the redistribution of energy to
come about ]. The gravitational effects produced by the bodies were due
entirely to the thermal agitation of the molecules without transformations.
The thermal agitation of molecules produces infrared frequencies and only an
infinitesimal portion of this radiated energy is in the gravity-producing
frequency range.

The force that the gravitating body used in the Cavendish experiments
exerted on the other body was the result of these same gravity radiations
emanating from the body. The well-known gravitational constant was derived
from the known mass of the gravitating body, and the force as exerted on the
other body of known mass. This constant, and the idea of unlimited gravity
penetration, required the earth to have tremendous mass in order to account
for the gravitational force it produces. Scientists assumed the earth must
have an iron core 4000 miles in diameter to account for such a mass.

It is significant that some of the Cavendish experiments indicated gravity
effects varied with the termperature. When the large gravitating sphere used
in the experiments was heated, the attracted smaller sphere had a greater
tendency to move toward the large sphere. When the larger sphere was cooled,
the smaller sphere receded. This was explained away by convection currents,
although they failed to explain how convection currents could produce such
an effect. A detailed account of this can be found in the 11th edition of
Encyclopedia Britannica within the subject "Gravity."

As mentioned before, matter produces infrared radiations which are partially
transformed into gravity radiations. In the case of mountain ranges, there
is not enough matter to transform significant portions of such radiations
into the gravity radiations. Much of the radiation will escape from the tops
and slopes of the mountains before they can be transformed since their
average heights are generally small compared to their horizontal extension.
The gravity radiations produced deep in the interior of the mountains are
partially dispersed by the overlying mass. This is the cause of the plumb
bob enigma, a source of annoyance to conventional physicists. The plumb bobs
are not pulled out of line by the mountains to the extent the Newtonian law
demands.

Jens and Olaf hit land in the HE
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Speaking of the Devil- Hey Norlan! What would you say about this stretch of
Olaf's story? Any interpolation here?

Dharma/Dean

We sailed for three days along the shoreline, then came to the mouth of
fjord or river of immence size. It seemed more like a great bay, and into
this we turned our fishing-craft, the direction being slightly northeast of
south. By the assistance of a fretful wind that came to our aid about twelve
hours out of every twenty-four, we continued to make our way inland, into
what afterward proved to be a mighty river, and which we learned was called
by the inhabitants Hiddekel. We continued our journey for ten days
thereafter, and found we had fortunately attained a distance inland where
ocean tides no longer affected the water, which had become fresh. The
discovery came none to soon, for our remaining cask of water was well-nigh
exhausted. We lost no time in replenishing our casks, and continued to sail
farther up the river when the wind was favourable. Along the banks great
forests miles in extent could be seen stretching away on the shore-line. The
trees were of enormous size. We landed after anchoring near a sandy beach,
and waded ashore, and were rewarded by finding a quantity of nuts that were
very palatable and satisfying to hunger, and a welcome change from the
monotony of our stock of provisions. It was about the first Sepetember, over
five months, we calculated, since our leave-taking from Stockholm. Suddenly
we were frightened almost out of our wits by hearing in the far distance the
singing of people. Very soon thereafter we discovered a huge ship gliding
down the river directly toward us. Those aboard were singing in one mighty
chorus that, echoing from bank to bank, sounded like a thousand voices,
filling the whole universe with quivering melody. The accompaniment was
played on stringed instruments not unlike our harps. It was a larger ship
than any we had ever seen, and was differently constructed[Footnote].
[Footnote begin, Italic] Asiatic Mythology, - page 240, "Paradise Found" -
from translation by Sayce, in a book called "Records of the Past", we were
told of a "dwelling" which "the gods created for" the first human beings, -
a dwelling in which they "become great" and "increased in numbers", and the
location of which is described in words exactly corresponding to those of
Iranian, Indian, Chinese, Eddaic and Aztecan literature; namely, "in the
center of the earth". - Warren. [Footnote end, No Italic] At this particular
time our sloop was becalmed, and not far from the shore. The bank of the
river, covered with mammoth trees, rose up several hundred feet in beautiful
fashion. We seemed to be on the edge of some primeval forest that doubtless
stretched far inland. The immence craft paused, and almost immediately a
boat was lowered and six men of gigantic stature rowed to our little
fishing-sloop. They spoke to us in a strange language. We knew from their
manner, however, that they were not unfriendly. They talked a great deal
among themselves, and one of them laughed immoderately, as though in finding
us a queer discovery had been made. One of them spied our compass, and it
seemed to interest them more than any other part of our sloop. Finally, the
leader motioned as if to ask whether we were willing to leave our craft to
go on board their ship. "What say you, my son?" asked my father. "They
cannot do any more than kill us." "They seem to be kindly disposed," I
replied, "although what terrible giants! They must be the select six of the
kingdom's crack regiment. Just look at their great size." "We may as well go
willingly as be taken by force," said my father, smiling, "for they are
certainly able to capture us." Thereupon he made known, by signs, that we
were ready to accompany them. Within a few minutes we were on board the
ship, and half an hour later our little fishing-craft had been lifted bodily
out of the water by a strange sort of hook and tackle, and set on board as a
curiousity. There were several hundred people on board this, to us, mammoth
ship, which we discovered was called "The Naz," meaning, as we afterward
learned, "Pleasure," or to give a more proper interpretation, "Pleasure
Excursion" ship. If my father and I were curiously observed by the ship's
occupants, this strange race of giants offered us an equal amount of
wonderment. There was not a single man aboard who would not have measured
fully twelve feet in height. They all wore full beards, not particularly
long, but seemingly short-cropped. They had mild and beautiful faces,
exceedingly fair, with ruddy complexions. The hair and beard of some were
black, others sandy, and still others yellow. The captain, as we designated
the dignitary in command of the great vessel, was fully a head taller than
any of his companions. The women averaged from ten to eleven feet in height.
Their features were especially regular and refined, while their complexion
was of a most delicate tint heightened by a healthful glow

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Members,

The Arctic reading is probably some of the most enjoyable HE reading that
there is. From Bernard's Book:

Hayes' observations of insect life in the extreme north were confirmed by
Greely, in his book " Three Years of Arctic Service," describing his
observations in the Arctic, begun in 1881. In the preface to his book,
Greely tells us that the wonders of the Arctic regions are so great that he
was forced to modify his actual notes made at the time, and understated them
rather than lay himself open to the suspicion of exaggerating. That the
Arctic regions are so full of life and strange evidence of life farther
north, that an explorer cannot describe it without being accused of
exaggerating is surely a very strange thing if these regions only lead to a
barren land of ever-lasting ice, as according to older geographical
theories.

Greely reports birds of an unknown species, butter-flies, flies and
temperatures of 47 to 50 degrees, also plenty of willow to make fires, and
much fresh driftwood. He found two flowers different from any that he had
ever seen.

You can get some of these books at Health Research, although I really
recommend that you all read Mike Mott's book; it is definitely the book of
the hour.

Late,

Dharma/Dean

http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/categories/hollowearth.htm

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Original subject: Gravity conmeasurate to mass-Lead spheres!

The nonlinear correlation would only occur in the case of small
spheres. Under Cater's theory, gravity saturates at the 50 mile
depth. Based on what I've heard here, it seems that you'd get
different values of G in the Cavendish experiment depending on
the size of test mass you use.

Max,

It occurred to me that you might be hinting that gravity is conmeasurate
with mass. Actually, after all this conversation, I admit that you are
right!
# ; ^ ) [ Don't trust me ]

At the end of chapter four, cater says that within limits gravity will be
proportional to increases in mass and size. Up to, that is, a globe with a
diamter of 150 miles. From that point onwards, an increase in size will not
generate increased gravity as the gravity inducing radiation will still only
penetrate down through a 50 mile strata and then diminish. The particles of
the matter further within from this sphere of gravity-inducing radiation
will not carry the gravity-inducing charge.

Cater:

"At this stage it may be advantageous to show how the gravity effects around
a body changes with the size and mass starting with a small body of
laboratory dimensions. It will also promote a better understanding of the
plumb bob enigma. Within certain limits the gravity effects will be directly
proportional to the mass as the size and mass increases with only very
slight deviations. As the mass and size continues to increase, the outer
gravity effects will for a certain increase, become less per unit mass than
that of a smaller mass because the screening effect of the outer layers will
more than compensate for the amount of infrared radiations generated within
the body being transformed into gravity inducing radiations. This tendency
will continue until the body reaches a diameter of several miles. This is
the main reason for the plumb bob enigma. Beyond this. stage the body
becomes large enough for a significant proportion of infrared produced
within the body to be transformed into gravity radiations. From this point
onward the gravity effects will increase rapidly with increase in size since
far more infrared is transformed than is screened out by the outer layers of
mass.
This tendency will continue until the body becomes about 150 miles in
diameter. Beyond this size there would be scarcely any increase in surface
gravity as the size increases. The outer layers become thick enough such
that the screening effect keeps pace with the rate of increase of the
transformation of infrared into gravity radiations. This means that all
planets have practically the same surface gravity."

Think about an atom. The fundamental particles by themselves have less
matter, but exhibit more inertia than the atom as a whole, as the atom has a
neutral charge according to conventional science, a slight charge only
according to Cater, but much less than the fundamental particles. This tells
us right off the bat that inertia is a matter of charge, not mass.

Dharma/Dean

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Ralph,

I've been thinking about the location of the Antartic opening a bit more.
Keep in mind that the magnetic pole is a point along the extended rim, where
the curvature of the bowl-like entrance begins to change.

Think about this. The magnetic pole in the North is at 82*, close to the
pole. Peary's speed/sledding anomalies and Cook's approaching from the
Greenland side mark another such point along the rim. Nansen experienced
curvature anomalies just as he began to descend from near the pole, at
around 86*. I'll verify the nature of the anomaly later on today, but we can
assume that 86* running down from the pole towards Franz Josef Land marks
another such point, the beginning of the rim because, right after that,
things began to jive correctly. When he was above the New Siberian Islands,
Nansen experienced more curvature anomalies, and how! So we can trace the
outer rim of the opening from the pole on the Greenland side, on the Franz
Josef land side, from above the New Siberian Islands and from the magnetic
pole.

But in the Southern hemisphere, we don't have so much info. The only point
of reference that we know of is the South magnetic pole. The magnetic pole
in the South is around 65*, not so close. But if we compare the perimeter of
the North, given its magnetic pole at 82* latutide, with the Southern
magnetic pole at 65* latitude, then we get two impressions: That the opening
must be larger by comparison and that it must be further in, as the Northern
opening is further in from the magnetic pole. Do you see what I am saying?
Even furthe in and farther as the Southern magnetic pole is further out.

Rod's Radasat image could be just about right.

Dharma/Dean

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Members,

By the way, I've been reading Mike Mott's book about inner-earth,
inner-shell goings-on. It is a very special book, the best on the subject.

Dharma/Dean

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Thanks, Dean. My skull is swelling painfully!

I believe that you have accumulated and created enough
excellent material for a book of your own, btw!

--Mike

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Yeah, but that and bringing a book to fruition are two different things.

DD

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From: Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures:

" This treatise would not be complete without an examination of another
mysterious player from the depths, the MIB or Men In Black. These cool cats
figure prominently in both UFO and conspiracy literature. Thanks to the
excellent work of researchers and writers John Keel and the late Jim Keith,
as well as to the work of a host of others, many small and seemingly
inconsequential facts have been obtained from witnesses and preserved.

"Men in Black" seem to fall into two categories: the standard men in black,
whom may be actual agents of secret government or military
investigative/disinformation groups; and the MIB, whom Keel indicates are
somehow in league with, or originating from, the unseen forces behind the
various cryptid or creature sightings, as well as the UFO phenomenon. It is
the latter category, the MIB, which has bearing here.

These "mystery men" are usually described as of varying height and build,
but more often than not they are on the thin side; they generally wear dark
or black business-like clothing, dark hats, and sunglasses (again, the eye
protection from the sun!). They are either "olive-skinned" and vaguely
"oriental" or "asiatic;" or they are "nordic" or "Scandinavian" in
complexion, hair color, and physique.

From the basic template of these two forms, strange variations have been
reported, such as total hairlessness (not even having eyebrows or
eyelashes); overly-large, protruding eyes (a "non-mammalian" trait, for the
most part, or perhaps due to an unaccustomed lack of atmospheric pressure);
wheezing and other trouble breathing, as if unused to earthly (or surface?)
air pressure (aeroembolism); unnatural joint movement and locomotion;
"reptilian" or "frog-like" cast of skin texture and facial features; webbed
fingers; sulphurous or "metallic" odor; and a host of additional oddities of
physical configuration.

Add to all of this the fact that they are often ignorant or in amazement of
the most ordinary surface-world activities--trying to drink gelatin,
refusing food and taking a pill instead, stealing or asking for small common
objects (like writing pens) as apparently prized souvenirs--and they become
even less human through their behavior. They often exhibit a strong interest
in the sexuality or sexual habits of those they confront, and the longer
they remain on the surface, the more erratic, disoriented, lethargic, or
"drunk" they seem to become (a side-effect of rapid de-pressurization, or
aeroembolism).

With cryptic statements they have sometimes identified themselves to their
unwilling visitants as being citizens of "the Nation of the Third Eye," an
occult or secret society reference still widely utilized in symbology and
ritual today by some "brotherhoods" of "enlightened" human beings, but which
hearkens back to the "third eye" of the Naga, or the "skull-pearl" of
Chinese dragons. Any relationship this "Nation of the Third Eye" might have
to modern-day secret societies is debatable, but the parallel exists.
Another clue lies in the fact that they arrive to their victim's doorsteps
in shiny, black cars which are in pristine condition--i.e., "like new." The
puzzling thing is that these vehicles are almost always decades out of date,
and sometimes seem to be composites of several different makes of cars
(still out of date). To remain unravaged by the passage of time--oxidation,
dry-rot of tires, and so forth--they would have to be warehoused and
maintained in an environment of constant temperature and low humidity, away
from weather, sun, and extreme changes in temperature. Add to this the
manner in which both the cars and the men suddenly and inexplicably vanish,
as if swallowed up by the Earth--but by now the premise is obvious. Some
caverns are damp, but many others are exceedingly dry, and all remain
constant in temperature, year 'round, after a certain depth."

List Members,

This last remark of Mike Mott's really caught my attention, about different
underground environments. The book Etidorhpa also describes such
environments and atmospheres- deep underground caverns containing oceans, no
less, forests of giant mushrooms, dry areas, too. Etidorhpa even mentions
that the inner shell has regions inhabited by reptiles. Anyone who has read
Mike Mott's book will understand something about that.

" Of course he could guide the boat, in what was to the a trackless waste of
water, but you err in asserting that I had said lie did not have a guide,
even if it were not a compass. Many details concerning this journey have not
been explained to you; indeed, I have acquainted you with but little that I
experienced. Near surface earth we passed through caverns filled with
creeping reptiles; through others we were surrounded by flying creatures,
neither beast nor bird; we passed through passages of ooze and abyrinths of
apparently interminable intra-earth structures; to have disported on such
features of my journey would have been impracticable. From time to time I
experienced strains of melody, such as never before had I conceived,
seemingly choruses of angels were singing in and to my very soul. From empty
space about me, from out the crevices beyond and behind me, from the depths
of my spirit within me, came these strains in notes clear and distinct, but
yet indescribable. Did I fancy, or was it real? I will not pretend to say.
Flowers and structures beautiful, insects gorgeous and inexplicable were
spread before me. Figures and forms I can not attempt to indicate in word
descriptions, ever and anon surrounded, accompanied, and passed me by. The
canvas conceptions of earth-bred artists bring to mind no forms so strange
and weird and yet so beautiful as were these compound beings. Restful beyond
description was it to drink in the indescribable strains of poetry of motion
that I appreciated in the movements of fair creatures I have not mentioned,
and it was no less soothing to experience the soul relief wrought by the
sounds about me, for musicians know no notes so sweet and entrancing.

There were also, in side caverns to which I was led, combinations of sounds
and scenes in which floating strains and
fleeting figures were interwoven and interlaced so closely that the senses
of both sight and hearing became blended into a single sense, new, weird,
strange, and inexpressible. As flavor is the combination of odor and taste,
and is neither taste nor odor, so these sounds and scenes combined were
neither scenes' nor sounds, but a complex sensation, new, delicious.
Sometimes I begged to be permitted to stop and live forever 'mid those
heavenly charms, but with as firm a hand as when helping me through the
chambers of mire, ooze, and creeping reptiles, my guide drew me onward."

Gravity induced by an electromagnetic radiation, not dependent on the
density of matter, is about the only concept of gravity which accomodates a
netherworld as described in Etidorhpa. Gravity strictly related to mass
would cause the shell of the planet to cave in, and certainly would not
permit the rooves of deep caverns to exist- they, too, would cave in.In
order to justify the type of testimony of underground existences which we
have run across, not only in Etidorhpa, but also by means of abductee
testimony, it is practically necessary to familiarize oneself with the soft
particle physics of Joseph H. Cater.

http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/Authors/joseph_cater.htm

Dharma/Dean

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Max,

I realize that, the other day, my definition for soft particles was rough. I
think that I have paid more attention to the process rather than the exact
nature of the particle in the sense that the aggragate nature of the
particle escaped me.

Hard particles are in the gamma frequency and above. Soft particles
correspond to the frequencies below, but they are defined as aggragates of
photons in the frequencies below.

They capture hard particles Pacman style, as Frode likes to say. cater says:
" Two particles differring greatly in the frequency range of photons of
which they are comprised have little tendency to repel or attract each
other. Therefore, they tend to interpenetrate."

This process accounts for the penetration of hard particles through matter:
" The capturing process tends to nullify the electrostatic field effect of
the captured partilces. Electrostatic forces are the result of a disruption
of the random movements of ether particles. The combination described above
partially restores this randomness in the vicinity of the particles. ..."

The hard particles, with their electrostatic forces ameliorated, pass
through the Earth's shell encased in photon aggragates, i.e., soft
particles. The more unstable of these soft particles break apart due to
friction with other particles and release the hard particles. This provides
a source of heat and power deep within; for example, Cater attributes
earthquakes to this basic process.

When the soft particles break up deep within, at varying depths, they break
up into their constituent light bands. The deeper one goes, the more they
have broken up, the brighter it gets. This graded brightening is well
documented in Etidorhpa:

" CHAPTER XV.

A ZONE OF LIGHT DEEP WITHIN THE EARTH

" Oh! for one glimpse of light, a ray of sunshine!"

In reply to this my mental ejaculation, my guide said: " Can not you
perceive that the darkness is becoming less intense ?"

" No," I answered, " I can not; night is absolute."

" Are you sure?" lie asked. " Cover your eyes with your hand, then uncover
and open them." I did so and fancied that by contrast a faint gray line was
apparent.

" This must be imagination."

" No; we now approach a zone of earth light; let us hasten on."

" A zone of light deep in the earth! Incomprehensible! Incredible!" I
muttered, and yet as we went onward and time passed the darkness was less
intense. The barely perceptible hue became gray and somber, and then of a
pearly translucence, and although I could not distillgttish the outline of
objects, yet I unquestionably perceived light.

" I am amazed! What can be the cause of this phenomenon ? What is the nature
of this mysterious halo that surrounds us?" I held my open hand before my
eyes, and perceived the darkness of my spread fingers.

" It is light, it is light," I shouted; " it is really light!" And from near
and from far the echoes of that subterranean cavern answered back joyfully,
" It is light, it is light!"

I wept in joy, and threw my arms about my guide, forgetting in the ecstasy
his clammy cuticle, and danced in hysterical glee and alternately laughed
and cried. How vividly I realized then that the imprisoned miner would give
a world of gold, his former god, for a ray of light.

" Compose yourself; this emotional exhibition is all evidence of weakness;
an investigator should neither become depressed over a reverse, nor unduly
enthusiastic over a fortunate discovery."

But we approach the earth's surface ? Soon I will be back in the sunshine
again."

" Upon the contrary, we have been continually descending into the earth, and
we are now ten miles or more beneath the level of the ocean."

I shrank back, hesitated, and in despondency gazed at his hazy outline,
then, as if palsied, sank upon the stony floor; but as I saw the light
before me, I leaped up and shouted:
" What you say is not true; we approach daylight, I can see your form."

" Listen to me," he said. " Can not you understand that I have led you
continually down a steep descent, and that for hours there has been no step
upward? With but little exertion you have walked this distance without
becoming wearied, and you could not, without great fatigue, have ascended
for so long a period. You are entering a zone of inner earth light; we are
in the surface, the upper edge of it. Let us hasten on, for when this cavern
darkness is at an end- and I will say we have nearly passed that limit- your
courage will return, and then we will rest."

" You surely do not speak the truth; science and philosophy, and I am
somewhat versed in both, have never told me of such a light."

" Can philosophers more than speculate about that which they have not
experienced if they have no data from which to calculate? Name the student
in science who has reached this depth in earth, or has seen a man to tell
him of these facts?"

" I can not."

" Then why should yon have expected any of them to describe our
surroundings? Misguided men will torture science by refuting facts with
theories; but a fact is no less a fact when science opposes."

I recognized tile force of his arguments, and cordially grasped his hand in
indication of submission. We continued our journey, and rapidly traveled
downward and onward. The light gradually increased in intensity, until at
length the cavern near about us seemed to be as bright as diffused daylight
could leave made it. There was apparently no central point of radiation; the
light was such as to pervade and exist in tile surrounding space, somewhat
as the vapor of phosphorus spreads a self-luminous haze throughout the
bubble into which it is blown. The visual agent surrounding us had a
permanent, self-existing luminosity, and was a pervading, bright,
unreachable essence that, without an obvious origin, diffused itself equally
in all directions. It reminded me of the form of light that in previous
years I had seen described as epipolic dispersion, and as I refer to the
matter I am of the opinion that man will yet find that the same cause
produces both phenomena. I was informed now by the sense of sight, that we
were in a cavern room of considerable size. The apartment presented somewhat
the appearance of the usual underground caverns that I had seen pictured in
books, and yet was different. Stalactites, stalagmites, saline
incrustations,
occurring occasionally reminded me of travelers' stories, but these objects
were not so abundant as might be supposed. Such accretions or deposits of
saline substances as I noticed were also disappointing, in that, instead of
having a dazzling brilliancy, like frosted snow crystals, they were of a
uniform gray or brown hue. Indeed, my former imaginative mental creations
regarding underground caverns were dispelled in this somber stone temple,
for even the floor and tile fragments of stone that, in considerable
quantities, strewed the floor, were of the usual rock formations of upper
earth. The glittering crystals of snowy white or rain bow tints ( fairy
caverns ) pictured by travelers, and described as inexpressibly grand and
beautiful in other cavern labyrinths, were wanting here, and I saw only
occasional small clusters of quartz crystals that were other than of a dull
gray color. Finally; after hours or perhaps days of travel, interspersed
with restings, conversations, and arguments, amid which I could form no idea
of the flight of time, my companion seated himself on a natural bench of
stone, and directed me to rest likewise. He broke the silence, and spoke as
follows:"

...

CHAPTER XVI

" The child ignorant of letters wonders at the resources of those who can
spell and read, and, in like manner, many obscure natural phenomena are
marvelous to man only because of his ignorance. You do not comprehend the
fact that sunlight is simply a matter-bred expression, an outburst of
interrupted energy, and that the modification this energy undergoes makes it
visible or sensible to man. What, think you, becomes of the flood of light
energy that unceasingly flows from the sun? For ages, for an eternity, it
has bathed this earth and seemingly streamed into space, and space it would
seem must have long since have been filled with it, if, as men believe,
space contains energy of any description. Man may say the earth casts the
amount [ of light ] intercepted by it back into space, and yet does not your
science teach that the great bulk of the earth is an absorber, and a poor
radiator of light and heat? What think you, I repeat, becomes of the torrent
of light and heat and other forces that radiate from the sun, the flood that
strikes the earth? It disappears, and, in the economy of nature, is not
replaced by any known force or ally known motion of matter. Think you that
earth substance really presents an obstacle to the passage of the sun's
energy? Is it not probable that most of this light producing essence, as a
subtle fluid, passes through the surface of the earth and into its interior,
as light does through space, and returns thence to the sun again, in a
condition not discernible by man?" He grasped my arm and squeezed it as
though to emphasize the words to follow. "You have used the term sunshine
freely; tell me what is sunshine? Ah! you do not reply; well, what evidence
have you to show that sunshine ( heat and light ) is not earth-bred, a
condition that exists locally only, the result of contact between matter and
some unknown force expression? What reason have you for accepting that, to
other forms unknown and yet transparent to this energy, your sunshine may
not be as intangible as the ether of space is to man? What reason have you
to believe that a force torrent is not circulating to and from the sun and
earth, inappreciable to man, excepting the mere trace of this force which,
modified by contact action with matter appears as heat, light, and other
force expressions? How can I, if this is true, in consideration of your
ignorance, enter into details explanatory of the action that takes place
between matter and a portion of this force, whereby in the earth, first at
the surface, darkness is produced, and then deeper down an earth light that
man can perceive by the sense of sight, as you now realize? I will only say
that this luminous appearance about us is produced by a natural law, whereby
the flood of energy, invisible to man, a something clothed now under the
name of darkness, after streaming into the crust substance of the earth, is
at this depth, revivified, and then is made apparent to mortal
eye, to be modified again as it emerges from the opposite earth crust, but
not annihilated. For my vision, however, this central light is not a
necessity; my physical and mental development is such that the energy of
darkness is communicable; I can respond to its touches on my nerves, and
hence I can guide you in this dark cavern. I am all eye."

" Ah!" I exclaimed, " that reminds me of a remark made by my former guide
who, referring to the instinct of animals, spoke of that as a natural power
undeveloped in man. Is it true that by mental cultivation a new sense can be
evolved whereby darkness may become as light ?"

" Yes; that which you call light is a form of sensible energy to which the
faculties of animals who live on the surface of the earth have become
adapt°d, through their organs of sight. The sun's energy is modified when it
strikes the surface of the earth; part is reflected, but most of it passes
onward into the earth's substance, in an altered or disturbed condition."

This last sentence caps the explanation which Cater gives about soft
particles passing through the shell and breaking up into visible light
further down. I've been saying that Cater's book is the natural commentary
to Etidorhpa. Etidorhpa smacks of a fairy tale unless you read Cater's
explanation for the phenomena described. Neither Pellucidar nor Journey to
the Center of the Earth correspond like that.

About the Sun and the Moon and their respective gravitational forces. It
seems that there is some of what cater calls reasoning in a circle. It is
caused by a false basis given by the Cavendish experiment. If you mistakenly
correspond a given mass to the gravitational pull of the Earth, then measure
the gravitational pull of the Sun, you then correspond a mass to the Sun,
right? So of course the Sun's mass is going to correspond to the gravity
ascribed to it. The Cavendish experiment is the basis for everything. If
somebody pulls the carpet ...

Keep in mind that a tremendous mass is ascribed to the sun and that " Their
[ the Sun and the Moon ] apparent diameters are inversely proportional to
the distance; therefore, their apparent surface areas also vary inversely as
the square of the distance Since the moon is a greater factor in producing
tides, the conclusion that the Moon has a greater surface gravity than the
Sun is inescapable! To the orthodox mind this produces insurmountable
paradoxes. The time has come for these to be resolved. This can only be
accomplished by probing deeper into basic causes."

The Sun may be further away than the Moon, but its mass is supposed to be
tremendous. Since their apparent diameters are the same, the Moon should not
beat the pants off the Sun when it comes to gravitational effect on the
tides. Their effect should be similar. This is why Cater says " the
conclusion that the Moon has a greater surface gravity than the Sun is
inescapable!" Of course, if you are going to allow the cavendish experiment
to establish an artificial mass for the sun, you are off on the wrong foot
to begin with.

I don't want to really get preachy with you, but if you want to see how
Cater's soft particle physics works, then I have to give you some feedback
as best as I can.

Well, that's all for now. It is getting late here!

later,

Dharma/Dean