King of the World - a Vedic concept

Namaskars,

in many accounts of HE is mentioned "King of the World".
This may sound strange to modern people as there is no known king
of the whole world in recorded Western history. None of the ancient
Sumerian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Roman, Christian, Muslim or other
emperors were ruling over the whole earth.

The idea of a king ruling over the whole world comes from more
ancient times, from the Vedic point of view from before the beginning
of Kali-yuga. In previous yugas the Vedic emperors ruled over lesser
kings (who were paying tribute to them) and in this way over the whole
earth.

Vedas describe the earth as "bhu-mandala", or earthly circle, a system
of seven concentric islands (sapta dvipa) and seven oceans. Dr. R.
Thompson equates it with the whole solar system on the basis of
comparison of sizes of those islands with orbits of neighboring planets.
He elaborates on this concept in his latest book "Mysteries of the
Sacred Universe" ( www.sacreduniverse.com ).

But even if we go by the traditional interpretation, then the "seven
islands" may refer to seven continents on earth, thus making the Vedic
rulers kings of the whole earth.

Probably first of them mentioned is Svayambhuva Manu, partriarch of the
whole human race. He descended to earth from higher regions and made
his capital in a region somewhere between river Ganges and Yamuna in
India: "The Emperor Svayambhuva Manu, the son of Lord Brahma, who
is well known for his righteous acts, has his seat in Brahmavarta and rules
over the earth with its seven oceans." (Bhagavata Purana 3.21.25). This
capital was called Barhishmati (BhP 3.22.29 etc.).

Later Shri Rama, divine avatar, ruled the world, as described in the epic
Ramayana.

Bhagavata Purana mentions other such kings.

Verse 4.3.11 says: "... Thus his younger brother, named Vatsara, the son
of Bhrami, was elevated to the royal throne, and he became king of the
world [bhu-pati]."

Another great ruler of the world was Maharaja Prithu described extensively
in the 4th skanda of the Bhagavata Purana.

4.19.1: "The great sage Maitreya continued: My dear Vidura, King Prthu
initiated the performance of one hundred horse sacrifices at the spot where
the River Sarasvati flows towards the east. This piece of land is known as
Brahmavarta, and it was controlled by Svayambhuva Manu."

(Modern satellite archeological research found the dried-up riverbed of
Sarasvati. It dried up between 2000-1500 BCE based on the age of
townships alongside its banks.)

BhP 9.1.42: "Thereafter, when the time was ripe, when Sudyumna,
the king of the world [pratishthana-pati], was sufficiently old, he
delivered the entire kingdom to his son Pururava and entered the forest."

9.23.6: "By the semen of Dirghatama in the wife of Bali, the emperor
of the world [mahi-kshitah], six sons took birth, namely Anga, Vanga,
Kalinga, Suhma, Pundra and Odra."

Last kings of the (surface) world who ruled just around the beginning of
Kali-yuga, were Maharaja Yudhisthira, his grand-nephew Maharaja
Parikshit and his son Maharaja Janamejaya. Yudhisthira is one of the
prominent characters in the Mahabharata.

Afterwards the power of kings continued to decrease and nowadays it is
practically nil. Yet if there is an ancient culture (according to one of its
few witnesses, Olaf Jansen, resembling Vedic culture) in the HE then the
idea of "king of the world" immediately makes sense. Especially when he
says that the ruler he met was a priestly king. All the Vedic kings were
called "raja-rishis", or wise, saintly kings.

Jan

JanJM,

Yes, there were various emperors which the Puranas say ruled the entire
Earth.

The head of state of the hollow Earth could at least rule over the entire
hollow earth at one time, as a whole. I don't imagine the place being broken
up into separate kingdoms, and the Tibetan lore never depicts it that way.

Dharma/Dean

Probably first of them mentioned is Svayambhuva Manu, partriarch of the
whole human race. He descended to earth from higher regions and made
his capital in a region somewhere between river Ganges and Yamuna in
India: "The Emperor Svayambhuva Manu, the son of Lord Brahma, who
is well known for his righteous acts, has his seat in Brahmavarta and

rules

over the earth with its seven oceans." (Bhagavata Purana 3.21.25). This
capital was called Barhishmati (BhP 3.22.29 etc.).

Later Shri Rama, divine avatar, ruled the world, as described in the epic
Ramayana.

Bhagavata Purana mentions other such kings.

Verse 4.3.11 says: "... Thus his younger brother, named Vatsara, the son
of Bhrami, was elevated to the royal throne, and he became king of the
world [bhu-pati]."

Another great ruler of the world was Maharaja Prithu described extensively
in the 4th skanda of the Bhagavata Purana.

4.19.1: "The great sage Maitreya continued: My dear Vidura, King Prthu
initiated the performance of one hundred horse sacrifices at the spot

where

the River Sarasvati flows towards the east. This piece of land is known as
Brahmavarta, and it was controlled by Svayambhuva Manu."

(Modern satellite archeological research found the dried-up riverbed of
Sarasvati. It dried up between 2000-1500 BCE based on the age of
townships alongside its banks.)

BhP 9.1.42: "Thereafter, when the time was ripe, when Sudyumna,
the king of the world [pratishthana-pati], was sufficiently old, he
delivered the entire kingdom to his son Pururava and entered the forest."

9.23.6: "By the semen of Dirghatama in the wife of Bali, the emperor
of the world [mahi-kshitah], six sons took birth, namely Anga, Vanga,
Kalinga, Suhma, Pundra and Odra."

Last kings of the (surface) world who ruled just around the beginning of
Kali-yuga, were Maharaja Yudhisthira, his grand-nephew Maharaja
Parikshit and his son Maharaja Janamejaya. Yudhisthira is one of the
prominent characters in the Mahabharata.

Afterwards the power of kings continued to decrease and nowadays it is
practically nil. Yet if there is an ancient culture (according to one of

its

···

few witnesses, Olaf Jansen, resembling Vedic culture) in the HE then the
idea of "king of the world" immediately makes sense. Especially when he
says that the ruler he met was a priestly king. All the Vedic kings were
called "raja-rishis", or wise, saintly kings.

Jan

Hi Jan,

The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
Christians who
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in a
duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy Blood,
Holy Grail.

Nikki

···

----- Original Message -----
From: janjm <[email protected]>
To: aph <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:25 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] King of the World - a Vedic concept

Namaskars,

in many accounts of HE is mentioned "King of the World".
This may sound strange to modern people as there is no known king
of the whole world in recorded Western history. None of the ancient
Sumerian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Roman, Christian, Muslim or other
emperors were ruling over the whole earth.

The idea of a king ruling over the whole world comes from more
ancient times, from the Vedic point of view from before the beginning
of Kali-yuga. In previous yugas the Vedic emperors ruled over lesser
kings (who were paying tribute to them) and in this way over the whole
earth.

Vedas describe the earth as "bhu-mandala", or earthly circle, a system
of seven concentric islands (sapta dvipa) and seven oceans. Dr. R.
Thompson equates it with the whole solar system on the basis of
comparison of sizes of those islands with orbits of neighboring planets.
He elaborates on this concept in his latest book "Mysteries of the
Sacred Universe" ( www.sacreduniverse.com ).

But even if we go by the traditional interpretation, then the "seven
islands" may refer to seven continents on earth, thus making the Vedic
rulers kings of the whole earth.

Probably first of them mentioned is Svayambhuva Manu, partriarch of the
whole human race. He descended to earth from higher regions and made
his capital in a region somewhere between river Ganges and Yamuna in
India: "The Emperor Svayambhuva Manu, the son of Lord Brahma, who
is well known for his righteous acts, has his seat in Brahmavarta and

rules

over the earth with its seven oceans." (Bhagavata Purana 3.21.25). This
capital was called Barhishmati (BhP 3.22.29 etc.).

Later Shri Rama, divine avatar, ruled the world, as described in the epic
Ramayana.

Bhagavata Purana mentions other such kings.

Verse 4.3.11 says: "... Thus his younger brother, named Vatsara, the son
of Bhrami, was elevated to the royal throne, and he became king of the
world [bhu-pati]."

Another great ruler of the world was Maharaja Prithu described extensively
in the 4th skanda of the Bhagavata Purana.

4.19.1: "The great sage Maitreya continued: My dear Vidura, King Prthu
initiated the performance of one hundred horse sacrifices at the spot

where

the River Sarasvati flows towards the east. This piece of land is known as
Brahmavarta, and it was controlled by Svayambhuva Manu."

(Modern satellite archeological research found the dried-up riverbed of
Sarasvati. It dried up between 2000-1500 BCE based on the age of
townships alongside its banks.)

BhP 9.1.42: "Thereafter, when the time was ripe, when Sudyumna,
the king of the world [pratishthana-pati], was sufficiently old, he
delivered the entire kingdom to his son Pururava and entered the forest."

9.23.6: "By the semen of Dirghatama in the wife of Bali, the emperor
of the world [mahi-kshitah], six sons took birth, namely Anga, Vanga,
Kalinga, Suhma, Pundra and Odra."

Last kings of the (surface) world who ruled just around the beginning of
Kali-yuga, were Maharaja Yudhisthira, his grand-nephew Maharaja
Parikshit and his son Maharaja Janamejaya. Yudhisthira is one of the
prominent characters in the Mahabharata.

Afterwards the power of kings continued to decrease and nowadays it is
practically nil. Yet if there is an ancient culture (according to one of

its

few witnesses, Olaf Jansen, resembling Vedic culture) in the HE then the
idea of "king of the world" immediately makes sense. Especially when he
says that the ruler he met was a priestly king. All the Vedic kings were
called "raja-rishis", or wise, saintly kings.

Jan

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Nikki,

I wasn't aware of any European, middle ages book which talks of the hollow
Earth. Does it offer any information, or just a mention or two?

Dharma/Dean

···

Hi Jan,

The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
Christians who
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in a
duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy Blood,
Holy Grail.

Nikki

From:
janjm To: aph

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 5:25 AM

Subject: [allplanets-hollow] King of the World - a Vedic concept

`Jan wrote:

<But even if we go by the traditional interpretation, then the "seven
islands" may refer to seven continents on earth, thus making the Vedic
rulers kings of the whole earth.>`

``
Hi--

``

This may be a bit naive, but could the seven islands be the 7 original planets (earth included), before the plant Neptune and Pluto were discovered? Lights being discounted (Sun & Moon). Their power for the UFO's could come from the Sun, a charge of some sort, perhaps they are able to fly close to the Sun for some type of power. I am only a little familiar with Vedic teaching, so this is just a guess of mine. But, if this is a plausible translation, then could the King of the World have ruled over us from the beginning of Vedic history, and still rule, traveling by UFO, thus keeping tabs on all the planets, especially with life (close to what we know) considered on at least Mars. Is there a master plan that runs throughout the solar system? Also, could the abductions people report have more to do with a Master Ruler than Martians? Because, the more I read Cater's book, the more I am convinced that life on Mars is probably very similar to ours on Earth.

``

With the little Vedic understanding that I do have, it seems this could be what's happened. Especially when they mention other islands (as planets could be considered islands in space), and if I am correct, they could disappear and reappear anywhere with their mystic and scientific knowledge.

``

Also, it would seem to me that something along this scenario could be responsible for unexplainable Earth events, going clear back to Noah and the flood---as Cater says, where did all the water come from to cover the land in 40 days? From what I have read, even with a torrential downpour, there would not have been enough water coverage to cause the magnitude of that flood. So perhaps an intelligence caused it, I will say though, that even with this explanation, I can see Vedic Rulers in control.

``

A student for now, Leslee

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Dean,

The rumour that there is a tunnel into the HE from Rennes-le-Chateau is
something I read about separately from the Cathars story. However, the
Cathars were known to have a great treasure, which supported them through 40
years of persecution by Simon de Montfort's army, which had been
commissioned by the Pope. Could it be that the treasure was excavated or
gathered from an exploration into the hollow earth?

A priest who apparently uncovered this treasure in the 1700s spent millions
(no exaggeration) on renovating his parish and other eccentricities. It's a
long tale so I will paste my summary of the first 2 chapters that I sent to
a friend here. I'm afraid the mystery has never been solved, but so many
European nobility seemed to befriend this lowly priest who uncovered
whatever he did that his discovery warrants interest. Further, the Cathars
who dwelt in the whole area of southern France were so fiercely convinced of
an alternative view of God and defended their secrets to the death. It
naturally inclines one to believe they had some kind of verification from an
authoritative source.

Here is my pasted summary of the 1st 2 chapters of Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
"
What is most interesting is that the Cathars, who
inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were believers, but
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They preferred a
direct relationship with God and rejected intermediaries eg vatican
appointed priests. They also refused to pay tithes, which is another reason
the Pope detested them. They believed in a duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, the god of evil, who was responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness.

The Cathars were so passionate about their beliefs that they were wiped out
by the Pope in what is called the Albigensian crusade. 30 000 Christians
were wiped out by a Vatican approved North European army led by Simon de
Montfort. The pillage of the Languedoc region lasted 40 years. I have
reached Chapter Two, where it tells of the final assault on Montsegur a
mountain fortress where the remaining Cathars held out against the enemy for
10 months. At the very end, refusing to confess their sins (heresies) in
order to be granted amnesty and life, 200 "parfaits" (equivalent of priests,
though with no hierarchy) were burned in a single wooden cage. This, despite
the fact that 50 years earlier St Bernard, at the time orthodox
Chrisatianity's foremost spokesman, had journeyed to Languedoc intending to
preach against the heretics. When he arrived, he was less appalled by the
Cathars than by the corruption of his own Church. Instead he was impressed
by the heretics: "No sermons are more Christian than theirs," he declared,
"and their morals are pure."

This whole investigative story revolves around the Rennes-le-chateau links
to the Christ trail, "holy grail", ark of the covenant. What is intriguing
is that the Cathars obviously knew something we don't and that has been kept
secret all these years. A priest called Sauniere, who was appointed as a
priest in Rennes-le-chateau, eventually uncovered a secret, most likely from
the Cathars, which initially made the Vatican treat him with kid gloves. The
Cathars who had holed up at Montsegur had smuggled out a huge treasure in
January 1244 and then history records that on March 16th, the night after
200 of their fellows had been killed, 4 Cathar parfaits who had been
smuggled out by sympathetic enemy troops (sympathetic because they were
locals) made an escape down the mountainside by rope, with something else
they wanted to hide from the enemy. It could not have been heavy, due to the
perilous journey.

Sauniere uncovered ancient parchments with coded messages during his term in
Rennes-le-chateau, which he showed to the Priory of Sion in Paris.
Thereafter, this lowly poor priest spent several MILLIONS renovating his
parish and the whole village, building a luxurious country home, received
the Archduke of Hapsburg at his church and began to erect weird statues and
inscriptions in his church. Important other dignitaries began to visit him
and when the Vatican tried to relocate him, he refused! And they backed
down. Which is amazing.

What is really eerie is that Sauniere met a great artist called Nicolas
Poussin who thereafter painted a famous picture that depicts a tomb with
encrypted words inscribed on it ET IN ARCADIA EGO. The anagram has been
deciphered to read I TEGO ARCANA DEI - Begone! I conceal the secrets of God.

In 1656 Poussin was visited by the Abbe Fouquet, brother of Nicolas Fouquet,
superintendent of finances to Louis XIV of France.Abbe Fouquet wrote about
this meeting with Poussin to his brother Nicolas: "He and I discussed
certain things... things which shall give you, through Monsieur Poussin,
advantages which even Kings would have great pains to draw from him, and
things which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever
rediscover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these things are so
difficult to discover that nothing now on this Earth can prove of better
fortune, nor be their equal."

Well, shortly after receiving this letter, Nicolas Fouquet was imprisoned
for life and held incommunicado. Meanwhile, the whole of his correspondence
was confiscated by Louis XIV who inspected it personally. In the following
years the king went out of his way to obtain the original painting by
Poussin - "Les Bergeres d'Arcadie" - and placed it in his private apartments
at Versailles. This painting depicts 3 shepherds and a sheperdess
surrounding a tomb, contemplating the inscription ET IN ARCADIA EGO. In the
background looms a rugged mountainscape. In the 1970s an actual tomb was
discovered in a village called Arques, just 6 miles from Rennes-le-Chateau.
The setting, proportions etc are an exact match to the one in the painting,
even to the replication of a rocky outcrop on which one shepherd rests his
foot. If there was an inscription, it has been weathered away. The villagers
stated that the tomb had been there in their parents' and grandparents'
times and its presence was recorded in a memoir dated 1709.

What is really weird is that after flighting a BBC documentary about this
matter, The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem in 1972, the three authors received a
letter from an Anglican priest who stated that the "treasure" was not
monetary, but consisted of "incontrovertible proof" that the Crucifixion was
a fraud and Jesus was alive as late as 45 A.D. (Interestingly, the Cathars
did not believe in the Crucifixion, but practised some mysterious recorded
ceremony on March the 14th. When the attacking army gave them an ultimatum
at Montsegur on March 1st, 1244, they were told they could live if they
recanted their beliefs. The Cathars asked for 2 weeks to consider the offer.
It seems that whatever was smuggled out on March the 16th was needed for the
14th to practise their religious ceremony. Else they would have removed it
in January. After holding their ceremony they were prepared to die. When all
they had to do was renounce their faith.

The story comes full circle, with the Anglican priest's reluctance to
elaborate on his shocking statement to the authors, but he finally admitted
that he was told the "incontrovertible proof" by another Anglican cleric,
Canon Alfred Leslie Lilley. When the authors investigated Lilley's
background they discovered he had maintained close ties with the Catholic
Modernist movement at Saint Sulpice, Paris. (the feast day of Saint Sulpice
coincidentally is January 17th - St Anthony's Day too - and it was on this
day that Sauniere suffered a stroke, although his housekeeper had ordered
his coffin on January 12th. This sounds like Cludo!!!!!) Saint Sulpice was
where Sauniere had taken his discovery and admitted it to the inspection of
Abbe Bieil and Emile Hoffet. In his youth Canon Lilley had worked in Paris
and had made an aquaintance with Emile Hoffet.

That's as far as I have read. The next chapter (3) deals with the Knights
Templar, who apparently play a significant role in this story. "

Nikki

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----- Original Message -----
From: Dean De Lucia <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Nikki,

I wasn't aware of any European, middle ages book which talks of the hollow
Earth. Does it offer any information, or just a mention or two?

Dharma/Dean

> Hi Jan,
>
> The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
> Christians who
> departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in

a

> duality of existence and two
> Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and

another

> called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
> responsible for material creation
> and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
> between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
> gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
> area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy

Blood,

> Holy Grail.
>
> Nikki

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List Members,

On Mike Mott's list we just had a nice exchange on the existence of the
ether bunny. ( Those might be ether bunnies in the Arctic- they are white,
ten feet tall, growl, have big teeth and have long black snouts ).

The existence of soft particles are a lynchpin to Mr. Cater's *congruent* HE
model, and they are comprised of ether particles. Get informed.

> It has already been shown that all space occupied by
> the
> material universe is permeated with soft and hard particles of all
> kinds that have been radiated by planetary systems for countless ages.
>

This sounds like the ol' theory of space being filled with "ether",
dressed up in new clothes.
Cyndy

PS: It's mid-May, and the Ether Bunny has come and gone!

Cyndy,

Cater defines the soft particle medium as nothing but the cosmic rays, so
you can look at it that way. There might be more to the cosmic rays than
suspected, they are still being studied. He has his logic for stating that
the belts, such as the Van Alllen Belt, are composed of soft particles.

About ether- the Michaelson-Morely experiment only substantiated that we
have no means of measuring ether or perceiving it with the instruments and
matte at out disposal, but that doesn't mean that there isnot an even
subtler medium in space in the form of an ether flow. Here are Mr. Cater's
comments:

" Before the advent of Einstein and the theory of relativity, the transverse
wave theory of light was universally accepted. Waves cannot exist without a
medium to transmit them, or in other words, a medium which vibrates in some
manner. Therefore, physicists postulated the existence of a subtle medium
which permeates all space. They called it the ether. It follows that if
light is a result of transverse waves transmitted through an ether, then,
since the earth travels through this ether in its path about the sun, an
ether drift should be detected. It's a situation analogous to sound waves
being transmitted through a stationary atmosphere and an observer moving
through or relative to this atmosphere. His motion relative to the
atmosphere would result in a wind, or atmosphere drift, according to his
observations. Similarly, the Earth's motion through the ether should produce
an ether wind. Experiments were devised to detect this ether wind, or drift,
and its velocity. They are known as the Michelson-Morely experiments. A
light ray was split in two parts, each traveled different but identical
length paths, and then they recombined. The apparatus was mounted on a
platform that could be rotated in any direction. It was correctly reasoned
that if light were transmitted in the assumed manner, then at the point the
rays were recombined, interference fringes should be observed. Negative
results were always obtained, to the consternation and amazement of the
physicists.

Some explained away such results by assuming the earth carried some of the
ether along with it. If. such were the case, it would certainly account for
the negative results of the experiments. It was accepted by some of the
famous physicists ot the day but was rejected by the majority, though no
sound arguments against it were proposed. Evidently, they failed to realise
that the idea was contradictory. They were all aware of the fact that a body
can travel through free space at a constant velocity and encounter no
resistance. This means matter has no measurable attraction or affinity for
this hypothetical ether. Light couldn't be transmitted through this medium
in the manner assumed, without interactions taking place within the ether.
It follows that no part of the ether can be displaced from the rest of it
without encountering resistance. Therefore, the Earth could not carry ether
along with it, and not experience the same kind of resistance. This would
deaccelerate the Earth, and bring it to a stop. Likewise, no material body
could travel through free space without requiring a steady application of
force to counteract this resistance. Consequently, the orbiting of planets
and other bodies would be an impossibility. Evidently, none of the
scientists involved recognized this serious flaw in the above idea. One
might have expected more from such a collection of dlstinguished intellects.
It is not surprising in view of subsequent mental lapses concerning the
interpretation of the experiment

The Michelson-Morely experiments actually proved that the assumption that
light is propagated as transverse waves through an all-pervading medium is
not valid. He could, therefore, have concluded the transverse wave concept
is not necessary to account for the difraction and interference effects of
light. The physicists [ of the day ] were unable to reject the transverse
wave concept. Therefore, the only way out or the dilemma created by the
results of the Michelson-Morely experiments was the absurd conclusion that
the observed velocity of light was independent of the velocity of the source
or that of the observer. In other words, that the velocity of light is a
universal constant. This idea, of course, violates the principle of relative
velocities encountered in all our experiences. This is clearly a case of
doublethink.

...

The fact that a body can travel through space at a constant velocity and
encounter no measureable resistance simply means that no attraction by
matter for ether was perceived.

...

But rather than arriving at such honest and straight-forward conclusions,
the absurd conclusion that the velocity of light is independent of the
velocity of its source, or that of the observer, was invented. This violates
the principle of relative velocities which we encounter in all of our
existence." "

Dr. James Demeo has done some interesting research into the existence of
ether. The following introduction is from a critique by Dr. by James DeMeo,
Ph.D., of the Orgone Biophysical Research Lab, ( [email protected] ), which
strongly supports the positive conclusions of the Dayton Miller ether-drift
experiments.

" Dayton Miller's work on ether drift (1933) is nearly unknown today in
large measure due to a 1955 critique by Shankland, et al (1955) published
after Miller's death. Miller's interferometer fringe-shifts showed
sidereal-cosmic variations at all times of day and seasons of the year,
along the same cosmological axis. Shankland acknowledged the systematic
patterns in Miller's data, but explained them away as the consequence of
temperature artifacts. My review of the subject suggests this dismissal was
not well-supported. Shankland misrepresented the background history (ie.,
only Miller obtained positive results for ether) and displayed a strong bias
against ether -- only passing reference was given to Miller's
counter-critique to the temperature argument, which he had addressed in
control experiments and successfully rebutted while alive. Selected sets of
Miller's interferometer data, with minimal variations most easily supporting
the temperature argument, were dissected and criticized, while other sets of
higher magnitude fringe-shift data were apparently ignored. Shankland, et
al, did not provide a serious challenge to Miller, and the entire subject of
dynamic ether-drift begs for renewed open discussion and experimental
evaluation."

Cyndy- I don't want to get preachy, I just wanted to give you some food for
thought.

Dharma/Dean

Hi Nikki,

You are the 4th person who has mentions this book within 2 weeks time. This post is so intriguing I will have to purchase Holy Blood, Holy Grail. If you are on the Fantasiticreality group, Brian, who is an investigator of strange phenomenon, knows the authors of this book. He was the first one to recommend me reading it. I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest?

Best, Leslee

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:58 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

`Dean,

The rumour that there is a tunnel into the HE from Rennes-le-Chateau is
something I read about separately from the Cathars story. However, the
Cathars were known to have a great treasure, which supported them through 40
years of persecution by Simon de Montfort's army, which had been
commissioned by the Pope. Could it be that the treasure was excavated or
gathered from an exploration into the hollow earth?

A priest who apparently uncovered this treasure in the 1700s spent millions
(no exaggeration) on renovating his parish and other eccentricities. It's a
long tale so I will paste my summary of the first 2 chapters that I sent to
a friend here. I'm afraid the mystery has never been solved, but so many
European nobility seemed to befriend this lowly priest who uncovered
whatever he did that his discovery warrants interest. Further, the Cathars
who dwelt in the whole area of southern France were so fiercely convinced of
an alternative view of God and defended their secrets to the death. It
naturally inclines one to believe they had some kind of verification from an
authoritative source.

Here is my pasted summary of the 1st 2 chapters of Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
"
What is most interesting is that the Cathars, who
inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were believers, but
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They preferred a
direct relationship with God and rejected intermediaries eg vatican
appointed priests. They also refused to pay tithes, which is another reason
the Pope detested them. They believed in a duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, the god of evil, who was responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness.

The Cathars were so passionate about their beliefs that they were wiped out
by the Pope in what is called the Albigensian crusade. 30 000 Christians
were wiped out by a Vatican approved North European army led by Simon de
Montfort. The pillage of the Languedoc region lasted 40 years. I have
reached Chapter Two, where it tells of the final assault on Montsegur a
mountain fortress where the remaining Cathars held out against the enemy for
10 months. At the very end, refusing to confess their sins (heresies) in
order to be granted amnesty and life, 200 "parfaits" (equivalent of priests,
though with no hierarchy) were burned in a single wooden cage. This, despite
the fact that 50 years earlier St Bernard, at the time orthodox
Chrisatianity's foremost spokesman, had journeyed to Languedoc intending to
preach against the heretics. When he arrived, he was less appalled by the
Cathars than by the corruption of his own Church. Instead he was impressed
by the heretics: "No sermons are more Christian than theirs," he declared,
"and their morals are pure."

This whole investigative story revolves around the Rennes-le-chateau links
to the Christ trail, "holy grail", ark of the covenant. What is intriguing
is that the Cathars obviously knew something we don't and that has been kept
secret all these years. A priest called Sauniere, who was appointed as a
priest in Rennes-le-chateau, eventually uncovered a secret, most likely from
the Cathars, which initially made the Vatican treat him with kid gloves. The
Cathars who had holed up at Montsegur had smuggled out a huge treasure in
January 1244 and then history records that on March 16th, the night after
200 of their fellows had been killed, 4 Cathar parfaits who had been
smuggled out by sympathetic enemy troops (sympathetic because they were
locals) made an escape down the mountainside by rope, with something else
they wanted to hide from the enemy. It could not have been heavy, due to the
perilous journey.

Sauniere uncovered ancient parchments with coded messages during his term in
Rennes-le-chateau, which he showed to the Priory of Sion in Paris.
Thereafter, this lowly poor priest spent several MILLIONS renovating his
parish and the whole village, building a luxurious country home, received
the Archduke of Hapsburg at his church and began to erect weird statues and
inscriptions in his church. Important other dignitaries began to visit him
and when the Vatican tried to relocate him, he refused! And they backed
down. Which is amazing.

What is really eerie is that Sauniere met a great artist called Nicolas
Poussin who thereafter painted a famous picture that depicts a tomb with
encrypted words inscribed on it ET IN ARCADIA EGO. The anagram has been
deciphered to read I TEGO ARCANA DEI - Begone! I conceal the secrets of God.

In 1656 Poussin was visited by the Abbe Fouquet, brother of Nicolas Fouquet,
superintendent of finances to Louis XIV of France.Abbe Fouquet wrote about
this meeting with Poussin to his brother Nicolas: "He and I discussed
certain things... things which shall give you, through Monsieur Poussin,
advantages which even Kings would have great pains to draw from him, and
things which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever
rediscover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these things are so
difficult to discover that nothing now on this Earth can prove of better
fortune, nor be their equal."

Well, shortly after receiving this letter, Nicolas Fouquet was imprisoned
for life and held incommunicado. Meanwhile, the whole of his correspondence
was confiscated by Louis XIV who inspected it personally. In the following
years the king went out of his way to obtain the original painting by
Poussin - "Les Bergeres d'Arcadie" - and placed it in his private apartments
at Versailles. This painting depicts 3 shepherds and a sheperdess
surrounding a tomb, contemplating the inscription ET IN ARCADIA EGO. In the
background looms a rugged mountainscape. In the 1970s an actual tomb was
discovered in a village called Arques, just 6 miles from Rennes-le-Chateau.
The setting, proportions etc are an exact match to the one in the painting,
even to the replication of a rocky outcrop on which one shepherd rests his
foot. If there was an inscription, it has been weathered away. The villagers
stated that the tomb had been there in their parents' and grandparents'
times and its presence was recorded in a memoir dated 1709.

What is really weird is that after flighting a BBC documentary about this
matter, The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem in 1972, the three authors received a
letter from an Anglican priest who stated that the "treasure" was not
monetary, but consisted of "incontrovertible proof" that the Crucifixion was
a fraud and Jesus was alive as late as 45 A.D. (Interestingly, the Cathars
did not believe in the Crucifixion, but practised some mysterious recorded
ceremony on March the 14th. When the attacking army gave them an ultimatum
at Montsegur on March 1st, 1244, they were told they could live if they
recanted their beliefs. The Cathars asked for 2 weeks to consider the offer.
It seems that whatever was smuggled out on March the 16th was needed for the
14th to practise their religious ceremony. Else they would have removed it
in January. After holding their ceremony they were prepared to die. When all
they had to do was renounce their faith.

The story comes full circle, with the Anglican priest's reluctance to
elaborate on his shocking statement to the authors, but he finally admitted
that he was told the "incontrovertible proof" by another Anglican cleric,
Canon Alfred Leslie Lilley. When the authors investigated Lilley's
background they discovered he had maintained close ties with the Catholic
Modernist movement at Saint Sulpice, Paris. (the feast day of Saint Sulpice
coincidentally is January 17th - St Anthony's Day too - and it was on this
day that Sauniere suffered a stroke, although his housekeeper had ordered
his coffin on January 12th. This sounds like Cludo!!!!!) Saint Sulpice was
where Sauniere had taken his discovery and admitted it to the inspection of
Abbe Bieil and Emile Hoffet. In his youth Canon Lilley had worked in Paris
and had made an aquaintance with Emile Hoffet.

That's as far as I have read. The next chapter (3) deals with the Knights
Templar, who apparently play a significant role in this story. "

Nikki

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean De Lucia [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Nikki,

I wasn't aware of any European, middle ages book which talks of the hollow
Earth. Does it offer any information, or just a mention or two?

Dharma/Dean

Hi Jan,

The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
Christians who
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in
a
duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and
another
called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy
Blood,
Holy Grail.

Nikki

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In his book A Journey to the Earth's Interior, Gardner quotes Nordenskiold in relation to the wildlife which exists in the Arctic Circle, around 82*. One point that he makes keeps coming out, that in the higher degrees ( closer to the opening, right? ) there exists an abundence and quantity of wioldlife which is not found immediately adjacent to the South. It seems that only in more or less proximity to the actual opening is such wildlife supported.

Dean

Hi Leslee,

Not through reading this book, but other investigations of the Rennes-le-chateau story, I have learned that the Priory de Sion in Paris is some sort of graduate class for all French presidents. They have all been members or initiates and each has in turn erected some weird monument during his term of office. Mitterand's "gift" to France was the ghastly occult black glass pyramid in Paris. David Icke also deals with this subject in The Biggest Secret and of course, the occultic symbolism around Diana's death is rather extraordinary. It seems from all I've read that the European nobility and government rulers form some kind of illuminati circle of knowledge that is hidden from the public. Interestingly, the priest Sauniere was refused the last sacrament by another priest on his deathbed after confessing the whole story. Maybe the knowledge they found wasn't terrible, but they used it in an occult manner. I prefer to think so. I think we can safely assume that all powerful leaders are initiated into the "mysteries" just as most US presidents and UK prime ministers become 33rd degree masons.

Nikki

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
AstroCafe

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Hi Nikki,

You are the 4th person who has mentions this book within 2 weeks time. This post is so intriguing I will have to purchase Holy Blood, Holy Grail. If you are on the Fantasiticreality group, Brian, who is an investigator of strange phenomenon, knows the authors of this book. He was the first one to recommend me reading it. I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest?

Best, Leslee

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:58 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

`Dean,

The rumour that there is a tunnel into the HE from Rennes-le-Chateau is
something I read about separately from the Cathars story. However, the
Cathars were known to have a great treasure, which supported them through 40
years of persecution by Simon de Montfort's army, which had been
commissioned by the Pope. Could it be that the treasure was excavated or
gathered from an exploration into the hollow earth?

A priest who apparently uncovered this treasure in the 1700s spent millions
(no exaggeration) on renovating his parish and other eccentricities. It's a
long tale so I will paste my summary of the first 2 chapters that I sent to
a friend here. I'm afraid the mystery has never been solved, but so many
European nobility seemed to befriend this lowly priest who uncovered
whatever he did that his discovery warrants interest. Further, the Cathars
who dwelt in the whole area of southern France were so fiercely convinced of
an alternative view of God and defended their secrets to the death. It
naturally inclines one to believe they had some kind of verification from an
authoritative source.

Here is my pasted summary of the 1st 2 chapters of Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

"
What is most interesting is that the Cathars, who
inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were believers, but
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They preferred a
direct relationship with God and rejected intermediaries eg vatican
appointed priests. They also refused to pay tithes, which is another reason
the Pope detested them. They believed in a duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, the god of evil, who was responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness.

The Cathars were so passionate about their beliefs that they were wiped out
by the Pope in what is called the Albigensian crusade. 30 000 Christians
were wiped out by a Vatican approved North European army led by Simon de
Montfort. The pillage of the Languedoc region lasted 40 years. I have
reached Chapter Two, where it tells of the final assault on Montsegur a
mountain fortress where the remaining Cathars held out against the enemy for
10 months. At the very end, refusing to confess their sins (heresies)  in
order to be granted amnesty and life, 200 "parfaits" (equivalent of priests,
though with no hierarchy) were burned in a single wooden cage. This, despite
the fact that 50 years earlier St Bernard, at the time orthodox
Chrisatianity's foremost spokesman, had journeyed to Languedoc intending to
preach against the heretics. When he arrived, he was less appalled by the
Cathars than by the corruption of his own Church. Instead he was impressed
by the heretics: "No sermons are more Christian than theirs," he declared,

"and their morals are pure."

This whole investigative story revolves around the Rennes-le-chateau links
to the Christ trail, "holy grail", ark of the covenant. What is intriguing
is that the Cathars obviously knew something we don't and that has been kept
secret all these years. A priest called Sauniere, who was appointed as a
priest in Rennes-le-chateau, eventually uncovered a secret, most likely from
the Cathars, which initially made the Vatican treat him with kid gloves. The
Cathars who had holed up at Montsegur had smuggled out a huge treasure in
January 1244 and then history records that on March 16th, the night after
200 of their fellows had been killed, 4 Cathar parfaits who had been
smuggled out by sympathetic enemy troops (sympathetic because they were
locals) made an escape down the mountainside by rope, with something else
they wanted to hide from the enemy. It could not have been heavy, due to the

perilous journey.

Sauniere uncovered ancient parchments with coded messages during his term in
Rennes-le-chateau, which he showed to the Priory of Sion in Paris.
Thereafter, this lowly poor priest spent several MILLIONS renovating his
parish and the whole village, building a luxurious country home, received
the Archduke of Hapsburg at his church and began to erect weird statues and
inscriptions in his church. Important other dignitaries began to visit him
and when the Vatican tried to relocate him, he refused! And they backed
down. Which is amazing.

What is really eerie is that Sauniere met a great artist called Nicolas
Poussin who thereafter painted a famous picture that depicts a tomb with
encrypted words inscribed on it ET IN ARCADIA EGO. The anagram has been
deciphered to read I TEGO ARCANA DEI - Begone! I conceal the secrets of God.

In 1656 Poussin was visited by the Abbe Fouquet, brother of Nicolas Fouquet,
superintendent of finances to Louis XIV of France.Abbe Fouquet wrote about
this meeting with Poussin to his brother Nicolas: "He and I discussed
certain things... things which shall give you, through Monsieur Poussin,
advantages which even Kings would have great pains to draw from him, and
things which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever
rediscover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these things are so
difficult to discover that nothing now on this Earth can prove of better
fortune, nor be their equal."

Well, shortly after receiving this letter, Nicolas Fouquet was imprisoned
for life and held incommunicado. Meanwhile, the whole of his correspondence
was confiscated by Louis XIV who inspected it personally. In the following
years the king went out of his way to obtain the original painting by
Poussin - "Les Bergeres d'Arcadie" - and placed it in his private apartments
at Versailles. This painting depicts 3 shepherds and a sheperdess
surrounding a tomb, contemplating the inscription ET IN ARCADIA EGO. In the
background looms a rugged mountainscape. In the 1970s an actual tomb was
discovered in a village called Arques, just 6 miles from Rennes-le-Chateau.
The setting, proportions etc are an exact match to the one in the painting,
even to the replication of a rocky outcrop on which one shepherd rests his
foot. If there was an inscription, it has been weathered away. The villagers
stated that the tomb had been there in their parents' and grandparents'
times and its presence was recorded in a memoir dated 1709.

What is really weird is that after flighting a BBC documentary about this
matter, The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem in 1972, the three authors received a
letter from an Anglican priest who stated that the "treasure" was not
monetary, but consisted of "incontrovertible proof" that the Crucifixion was
a fraud and Jesus was alive as late as 45 A.D. (Interestingly, the Cathars
did not believe in the Crucifixion, but practised some mysterious recorded
ceremony on March the 14th. When the attacking army gave them an ultimatum
at Montsegur on March 1st, 1244, they were told they could live if they
recanted their beliefs. The Cathars asked for 2 weeks to consider the offer.
It seems that whatever was smuggled out on March the 16th was needed for the
14th to practise their religious ceremony. Else they would have removed it
in January. After holding their ceremony they were prepared to die. When all
they had to do was renounce their faith.

The story comes full circle, with the Anglican priest's reluctance to
elaborate on his shocking statement to the authors, but he finally admitted
that he was told the "incontrovertible proof" by another Anglican cleric,
Canon Alfred Leslie Lilley. When the authors investigated Lilley's
background they discovered he had maintained close ties with the Catholic
Modernist movement at  Saint Sulpice, Paris. (the feast day of Saint Sulpice
coincidentally is January 17th - St Anthony's Day too - and it was on this
day that Sauniere suffered a stroke, although his housekeeper had ordered
his coffin on January 12th. This sounds like Cludo!!!!!) Saint Sulpice was
where Sauniere had taken his discovery and admitted it to the inspection of
Abbe Bieil and Emile Hoffet. In his youth Canon Lilley had worked in Paris
and had made an aquaintance with Emile Hoffet.

That's as far as I have read. The next chapter (3) deals with the Knights
Templar, who apparently play a significant role in this story. "

Nikki

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean De Lucia [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

> Nikki,

I wasn't aware of any European, middle ages book which talks of the hollow
Earth. Does it offer any information, or just a mention or two?

Dharma/Dean

Hi Jan,

The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
Christians who
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in
a
duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and
another
called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy
Blood,
Holy Grail.

Nikki

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Leslee wrote:.

<I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest??

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:52 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Hi Leslee,

Not through reading this book, but other investigations of the Rennes-le-chateau story, I have learned that the Priory de Sion in Paris is some sort of graduate class for all French presidents. They have all been members or initiates and each has in turn erected some weird monument during his term of office. Mitterand's "gift" to France was the ghastly occult black glass pyramid in Paris. David Icke also deals with this subject in The Biggest Secret and of course, the occultic symbolism around Diana's death is rather extraordinary. It seems from all I've read that the European nobility and government rulers form some kind of illuminati circle of knowledge that is hidden from the public. Interestingly, the priest Sauniere was refused the last sacrament by another priest on his deathbed after confessing the whole story. Maybe the knowledge they found wasn't terrible, but they used it in an occult manner. I prefer to think so. I think we can safely assume that all powerful leaders are initiated into the "mysteries" just as most US presidents and UK prime ministers become 33rd degree masons.

Nikki


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Leslee,

How do i get onto the fantasticreality mailing list?

Nikki

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
AstroCafe

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Hi Nikki,

You are the 4th person who has mentions this book within 2 weeks time. This post is so intriguing I will have to purchase Holy Blood, Holy Grail. If you are on the Fantasiticreality group, Brian, who is an investigator of strange phenomenon, knows the authors of this book. He was the first one to recommend me reading it. I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest?

Best, Leslee

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:58 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

`Dean,

The rumour that there is a tunnel into the HE from Rennes-le-Chateau is
something I read about separately from the Cathars story. However, the
Cathars were known to have a great treasure, which supported them through 40
years of persecution by Simon de Montfort's army, which had been
commissioned by the Pope. Could it be that the treasure was excavated or
gathered from an exploration into the hollow earth?

A priest who apparently uncovered this treasure in the 1700s spent millions
(no exaggeration) on renovating his parish and other eccentricities. It's a
long tale so I will paste my summary of the first 2 chapters that I sent to
a friend here. I'm afraid the mystery has never been solved, but so many
European nobility seemed to befriend this lowly priest who uncovered
whatever he did that his discovery warrants interest. Further, the Cathars
who dwelt in the whole area of southern France were so fiercely convinced of
an alternative view of God and defended their secrets to the death. It
naturally inclines one to believe they had some kind of verification from an
authoritative source.

Here is my pasted summary of the 1st 2 chapters of Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

"
What is most interesting is that the Cathars, who
inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were believers, but
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They preferred a
direct relationship with God and rejected intermediaries eg vatican
appointed priests. They also refused to pay tithes, which is another reason
the Pope detested them. They believed in a duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, the god of evil, who was responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness.

The Cathars were so passionate about their beliefs that they were wiped out
by the Pope in what is called the Albigensian crusade. 30 000 Christians
were wiped out by a Vatican approved North European army led by Simon de
Montfort. The pillage of the Languedoc region lasted 40 years. I have
reached Chapter Two, where it tells of the final assault on Montsegur a
mountain fortress where the remaining Cathars held out against the enemy for
10 months. At the very end, refusing to confess their sins (heresies)  in
order to be granted amnesty and life, 200 "parfaits" (equivalent of priests,
though with no hierarchy) were burned in a single wooden cage. This, despite
the fact that 50 years earlier St Bernard, at the time orthodox
Chrisatianity's foremost spokesman, had journeyed to Languedoc intending to
preach against the heretics. When he arrived, he was less appalled by the
Cathars than by the corruption of his own Church. Instead he was impressed
by the heretics: "No sermons are more Christian than theirs," he declared,

"and their morals are pure."

This whole investigative story revolves around the Rennes-le-chateau links
to the Christ trail, "holy grail", ark of the covenant. What is intriguing
is that the Cathars obviously knew something we don't and that has been kept
secret all these years. A priest called Sauniere, who was appointed as a
priest in Rennes-le-chateau, eventually uncovered a secret, most likely from
the Cathars, which initially made the Vatican treat him with kid gloves. The
Cathars who had holed up at Montsegur had smuggled out a huge treasure in
January 1244 and then history records that on March 16th, the night after
200 of their fellows had been killed, 4 Cathar parfaits who had been
smuggled out by sympathetic enemy troops (sympathetic because they were
locals) made an escape down the mountainside by rope, with something else
they wanted to hide from the enemy. It could not have been heavy, due to the

perilous journey.

Sauniere uncovered ancient parchments with coded messages during his term in
Rennes-le-chateau, which he showed to the Priory of Sion in Paris.
Thereafter, this lowly poor priest spent several MILLIONS renovating his
parish and the whole village, building a luxurious country home, received
the Archduke of Hapsburg at his church and began to erect weird statues and
inscriptions in his church. Important other dignitaries began to visit him
and when the Vatican tried to relocate him, he refused! And they backed
down. Which is amazing.

What is really eerie is that Sauniere met a great artist called Nicolas
Poussin who thereafter painted a famous picture that depicts a tomb with
encrypted words inscribed on it ET IN ARCADIA EGO. The anagram has been
deciphered to read I TEGO ARCANA DEI - Begone! I conceal the secrets of God.

In 1656 Poussin was visited by the Abbe Fouquet, brother of Nicolas Fouquet,
superintendent of finances to Louis XIV of France.Abbe Fouquet wrote about
this meeting with Poussin to his brother Nicolas: "He and I discussed
certain things... things which shall give you, through Monsieur Poussin,
advantages which even Kings would have great pains to draw from him, and
things which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever
rediscover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these things are so
difficult to discover that nothing now on this Earth can prove of better
fortune, nor be their equal."

Well, shortly after receiving this letter, Nicolas Fouquet was imprisoned
for life and held incommunicado. Meanwhile, the whole of his correspondence
was confiscated by Louis XIV who inspected it personally. In the following
years the king went out of his way to obtain the original painting by
Poussin - "Les Bergeres d'Arcadie" - and placed it in his private apartments
at Versailles. This painting depicts 3 shepherds and a sheperdess
surrounding a tomb, contemplating the inscription ET IN ARCADIA EGO. In the
background looms a rugged mountainscape. In the 1970s an actual tomb was
discovered in a village called Arques, just 6 miles from Rennes-le-Chateau.
The setting, proportions etc are an exact match to the one in the painting,
even to the replication of a rocky outcrop on which one shepherd rests his
foot. If there was an inscription, it has been weathered away. The villagers
stated that the tomb had been there in their parents' and grandparents'
times and its presence was recorded in a memoir dated 1709.

What is really weird is that after flighting a BBC documentary about this
matter, The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem in 1972, the three authors received a
letter from an Anglican priest who stated that the "treasure" was not
monetary, but consisted of "incontrovertible proof" that the Crucifixion was
a fraud and Jesus was alive as late as 45 A.D. (Interestingly, the Cathars
did not believe in the Crucifixion, but practised some mysterious recorded
ceremony on March the 14th. When the attacking army gave them an ultimatum
at Montsegur on March 1st, 1244, they were told they could live if they
recanted their beliefs. The Cathars asked for 2 weeks to consider the offer.
It seems that whatever was smuggled out on March the 16th was needed for the
14th to practise their religious ceremony. Else they would have removed it
in January. After holding their ceremony they were prepared to die. When all
they had to do was renounce their faith.

The story comes full circle, with the Anglican priest's reluctance to
elaborate on his shocking statement to the authors, but he finally admitted
that he was told the "incontrovertible proof" by another Anglican cleric,
Canon Alfred Leslie Lilley. When the authors investigated Lilley's
background they discovered he had maintained close ties with the Catholic
Modernist movement at  Saint Sulpice, Paris. (the feast day of Saint Sulpice
coincidentally is January 17th - St Anthony's Day too - and it was on this
day that Sauniere suffered a stroke, although his housekeeper had ordered
his coffin on January 12th. This sounds like Cludo!!!!!) Saint Sulpice was
where Sauniere had taken his discovery and admitted it to the inspection of
Abbe Bieil and Emile Hoffet. In his youth Canon Lilley had worked in Paris
and had made an aquaintance with Emile Hoffet.

That's as far as I have read. The next chapter (3) deals with the Knights
Templar, who apparently play a significant role in this story. "

Nikki

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean De Lucia [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

> Nikki,

I wasn't aware of any European, middle ages book which talks of the hollow
Earth. Does it offer any information, or just a mention or two?

Dharma/Dean

Hi Jan,

The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
Christians who
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in
a
duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and
another
called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy
Blood,
Holy Grail.

Nikki

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It is an interesting group. Eventually I will get back on once I get some work things taken care of.

Enjoy, Leslee

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] fantasticreality

Leslee,

How do i get onto the fantasticreality mailing list?

Nikki

----- Original Message -----

From:
AstroCafe

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Hi Nikki,

You are the 4th person who has mentions this book within 2 weeks time. This post is so intriguing I will have to purchase Holy Blood, Holy Grail.  If you are on the Fantasiticreality group, Brian, who is an investigator of strange phenomenon, knows the authors of this book.  He was the first one to recommend me reading it.  I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest?

Best, Leslee

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:58 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

`Dean,

  The rumour that there is a tunnel into the HE from Rennes-le-Chateau is
  something I read about separately from the Cathars story. However, the
  Cathars were known to have a great treasure, which supported them through 40
  years of persecution by Simon de Montfort's army, which had been
  commissioned by the Pope. Could it be that the treasure was excavated or
  gathered from an exploration into the hollow earth?

  A priest who apparently uncovered this treasure in the 1700s spent millions
  (no exaggeration) on renovating his parish and other eccentricities. It's a
  long tale so I will paste my summary of the first 2 chapters that I sent to
  a friend here. I'm afraid the mystery has never been solved, but so many
  European nobility seemed to befriend this lowly priest who uncovered
  whatever he did that his discovery warrants interest. Further, the Cathars
  who dwelt in the whole area of southern France were so fiercely convinced of
  an alternative view of God and defended their secrets to the death. It
  naturally inclines one to believe they had some kind of verification from an
  authoritative source.

  Here is my pasted summary of the 1st 2 chapters of Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

"
What is most interesting is that the Cathars, who
inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were believers, but
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They preferred a
direct relationship with God and rejected intermediaries eg vatican
appointed priests. They also refused to pay tithes, which is another reason
the Pope detested them. They believed in a duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, the god of evil, who was responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness.

  The Cathars were so passionate about their beliefs that they were wiped out
  by the Pope in what is called the Albigensian crusade. 30 000 Christians
  were wiped out by a Vatican approved North European army led by Simon de
  Montfort. The pillage of the Languedoc region lasted 40 years. I have
  reached Chapter Two, where it tells of the final assault on Montsegur a
  mountain fortress where the remaining Cathars held out against the enemy for
  10 months. At the very end, refusing to confess their sins (heresies)  in
  order to be granted amnesty and life, 200 "parfaits" (equivalent of priests,
  though with no hierarchy) were burned in a single wooden cage. This, despite
  the fact that 50 years earlier St Bernard, at the time orthodox
  Chrisatianity's foremost spokesman, had journeyed to Languedoc intending to
  preach against the heretics. When he arrived, he was less appalled by the
  Cathars than by the corruption of his own Church. Instead he was impressed
  by the heretics: "No sermons are more Christian than theirs," he declared,

"and their morals are pure."

  This whole investigative story revolves around the Rennes-le-chateau links
  to the Christ trail, "holy grail", ark of the covenant. What is intriguing
  is that the Cathars obviously knew something we don't and that has been kept
  secret all these years. A priest called Sauniere, who was appointed as a
  priest in Rennes-le-chateau, eventually uncovered a secret, most likely from
  the Cathars, which initially made the Vatican treat him with kid gloves. The
  Cathars who had holed up at Montsegur had smuggled out a huge treasure in
  January 1244 and then history records that on March 16th, the night after
  200 of their fellows had been killed, 4 Cathar parfaits who had been
  smuggled out by sympathetic enemy troops (sympathetic because they were
  locals) made an escape down the mountainside by rope, with something else
  they wanted to hide from the enemy. It could not have been heavy, due to the
  perilous journey.

  Sauniere uncovered ancient parchments with coded messages during his term in
  Rennes-le-chateau, which he showed to the Priory of Sion in Paris.
  Thereafter, this lowly poor priest spent several MILLIONS renovating his
  parish and the whole village, building a luxurious country home, received
  the Archduke of Hapsburg at his church and began to erect weird statues and
  inscriptions in his church. Important other dignitaries began to visit him
  and when the Vatican tried to relocate him, he refused! And they backed
  down. Which is amazing.

  What is really eerie is that Sauniere met a great artist called Nicolas
  Poussin who thereafter painted a famous picture that depicts a tomb with
  encrypted words inscribed on it ET IN ARCADIA EGO. The anagram has been
  deciphered to read I TEGO ARCANA DEI - Begone! I conceal the secrets of God.

  In 1656 Poussin was visited by the Abbe Fouquet, brother of Nicolas Fouquet,
  superintendent of finances to Louis XIV of France.Abbe Fouquet wrote about
  this meeting with Poussin to his brother Nicolas: "He and I discussed
  certain things... things which shall give you, through Monsieur Poussin,
  advantages which even Kings would have great pains to draw from him, and
  things which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever
  rediscover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these things are so
  difficult to discover that nothing now on this Earth can prove of better

fortune, nor be their equal."

  Well, shortly after receiving this letter, Nicolas Fouquet was imprisoned
  for life and held incommunicado. Meanwhile, the whole of his correspondence
  was confiscated by Louis XIV who inspected it personally. In the following
  years the king went out of his way to obtain the original painting by
  Poussin - "Les Bergeres d'Arcadie" - and placed it in his private apartments
  at Versailles. This painting depicts 3 shepherds and a sheperdess
  surrounding a tomb, contemplating the inscription ET IN ARCADIA EGO. In the
  background looms a rugged mountainscape. In the 1970s an actual tomb was
  discovered in a village called Arques, just 6 miles from Rennes-le-Chateau.
  The setting, proportions etc are an exact match to the one in the painting,
  even to the replication of a rocky outcrop on which one shepherd rests his
  foot. If there was an inscription, it has been weathered away. The villagers
  stated that the tomb had been there in their parents' and grandparents'
  times and its presence was recorded in a memoir dated 1709.

  What is really weird is that after flighting a BBC documentary about this
  matter, The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem in 1972, the three authors received a
  letter from an Anglican priest who stated that the "treasure" was not
  monetary, but consisted of "incontrovertible proof" that the Crucifixion was
  a fraud and Jesus was alive as late as 45 A.D. (Interestingly, the Cathars
  did not believe in the Crucifixion, but practised some mysterious recorded
  ceremony on March the 14th. When the attacking army gave them an ultimatum
  at Montsegur on March 1st, 1244, they were told they could live if they
  recanted their beliefs. The Cathars asked for 2 weeks to consider the offer.
  It seems that whatever was smuggled out on March the 16th was needed for the
  14th to practise their religious ceremony. Else they would have removed it
  in January. After holding their ceremony they were prepared to die. When all
  they had to do was renounce their faith.

  The story comes full circle, with the Anglican priest's reluctance to
  elaborate on his shocking statement to the authors, but he finally admitted
  that he was told the "incontrovertible proof" by another Anglican cleric,
  Canon Alfred Leslie Lilley. When the authors investigated Lilley's
  background they discovered he had maintained close ties with the Catholic
  Modernist movement at  Saint Sulpice, Paris. (the feast day of Saint Sulpice
  coincidentally is January 17th - St Anthony's Day too - and it was on this
  day that Sauniere suffered a stroke, although his housekeeper had ordered
  his coffin on January 12th. This sounds like Cludo!!!!!) Saint Sulpice was
  where Sauniere had taken his discovery and admitted it to the inspection of
  Abbe Bieil and Emile Hoffet. In his youth Canon Lilley had worked in Paris
  and had made an aquaintance with Emile Hoffet.

  That's as far as I have read. The next chapter (3) deals with the Knights
  Templar, who apparently play a significant role in this story. "

Nikki

  ----- Original Message -----

From: Dean De Lucia [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

  > Nikki,

I wasn't aware of any European, middle ages book which talks of the hollow
Earth. Does it offer any information, or just a mention or two?

Dharma/Dean

Hi Jan,

The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
Christians who
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in
a
duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and
another
called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy
Blood,
Holy Grail.

Nikki

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Leslee,

Your post about the Stewarts is riveting! Thank you.

Nikki

···

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From:
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To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:53 PM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Nikki-I think you are right!

Leslee wrote:.

<I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest??

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:52 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Hi Leslee,

Not through reading this book, but other investigations of the Rennes-le-chateau story, I have learned that the Priory de Sion in Paris is some sort of graduate class for all French presidents. They have all been members or initiates and each has in turn erected some weird monument during his term of office. Mitterand's "gift" to France was the ghastly occult black glass pyramid in Paris. David Icke also deals with this subject in The Biggest Secret and of course, the occultic symbolism around Diana's death is rather extraordinary.  It seems from all I've read that the European nobility and government rulers form some kind of illuminati circle of knowledge that is hidden from the public. Interestingly, the priest Sauniere was refused the last sacrament by another priest on his deathbed after confessing the whole story. Maybe the knowledge they found wasn't terrible, but they used it in an occult manner. I prefer to think so. I think we can safely assume that all powerful leaders are initiated into the "mysteries" just as most US presidents and UK prime ministers become 33rd degree masons.

Nikki


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Nikki--you are very welcome for both.

Time for me to click off until later tonight. Take care, Leslee

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:24 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Nikki-I think you are right!

Leslee,

Your post about the Stewarts is riveting! Thank you.

Nikki

----- Original Message -----

From:
AstroCafe

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:53 PM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Nikki-I think you are right!

Leslee wrote:.

<I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest??

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:52 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Hi Leslee,

  Not through reading this book, but other investigations of the Rennes-le-chateau story, I have learned that the Priory de Sion in Paris is some sort of graduate class for all French presidents. They have all been members or initiates and each has in turn erected some weird monument during his term of office. Mitterand's "gift" to France was the ghastly occult black glass pyramid in Paris. David Icke also deals with this subject in The Biggest Secret and of course, the occultic symbolism around Diana's death is rather extraordinary.  It seems from all I've read that the European nobility and government rulers form some kind of illuminati circle of knowledge that is hidden from the public. Interestingly, the priest Sauniere was refused the last sacrament by another priest on his deathbed after confessing the whole story. Maybe the knowledge they found wasn't terrible, but they used it in an occult manner. I prefer to think so. I think we can safely assume that all powerful leaders are initiated into the "mysteries" just as most US presidents and UK prime ministers become 33rd degree masons.

Nikki


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Leslee,

Thanks again.

Nikki

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
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To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:49 PM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] fantasticreality

Nikki,

I think it is [email protected]

It is an interesting group. Eventually I will get back on once I get some work things taken care of.

Enjoy, Leslee

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] fantasticreality

Leslee,

How do i get onto the fantasticreality mailing list?

Nikki

----- Original Message -----

From:
AstroCafe

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:07 PM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Hi Nikki,

  You are the 4th person who has mentions this book within 2 weeks time. This post is so intriguing I will have to purchase Holy Blood, Holy Grail.  If you are on the Fantasiticreality group, Brian, who is an investigator of strange phenomenon, knows the authors of this book.  He was the first one to recommend me reading it.  I know you are only in the beginning, but does this book allude to what we would call today The New World Order? I am asking because of the vast sums of money and the powerful who befriended this priest?

Best, Leslee

----- Original Message -----

From:
Nikki
To: [email protected]

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:58 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

`Dean,

    The rumour that there is a tunnel into the HE from Rennes-le-Chateau is
    something I read about separately from the Cathars story. However, the
    Cathars were known to have a great treasure, which supported them through 40
    years of persecution by Simon de Montfort's army, which had been
    commissioned by the Pope. Could it be that the treasure was excavated or
    gathered from an exploration into the hollow earth?

    A priest who apparently uncovered this treasure in the 1700s spent millions
    (no exaggeration) on renovating his parish and other eccentricities. It's a
    long tale so I will paste my summary of the first 2 chapters that I sent to
    a friend here. I'm afraid the mystery has never been solved, but so many
    European nobility seemed to befriend this lowly priest who uncovered
    whatever he did that his discovery warrants interest. Further, the Cathars
    who dwelt in the whole area of southern France were so fiercely convinced of
    an alternative view of God and defended their secrets to the death. It
    naturally inclines one to believe they had some kind of verification from an
    authoritative source.

    Here is my pasted summary of the 1st 2 chapters of Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

"
What is most interesting is that the Cathars, who
inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were believers, but
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They preferred a
direct relationship with God and rejected intermediaries eg vatican
appointed priests. They also refused to pay tithes, which is another reason
the Pope detested them. They believed in a duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and another
called REX MUNDI, the god of evil, who was responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness.

    The Cathars were so passionate about their beliefs that they were wiped out
    by the Pope in what is called the Albigensian crusade. 30 000 Christians
    were wiped out by a Vatican approved North European army led by Simon de
    Montfort. The pillage of the Languedoc region lasted 40 years. I have
    reached Chapter Two, where it tells of the final assault on Montsegur a
    mountain fortress where the remaining Cathars held out against the enemy for
    10 months. At the very end, refusing to confess their sins (heresies)  in
    order to be granted amnesty and life, 200 "parfaits" (equivalent of priests,
    though with no hierarchy) were burned in a single wooden cage. This, despite
    the fact that 50 years earlier St Bernard, at the time orthodox
    Chrisatianity's foremost spokesman, had journeyed to Languedoc intending to
    preach against the heretics. When he arrived, he was less appalled by the
    Cathars than by the corruption of his own Church. Instead he was impressed
    by the heretics: "No sermons are more Christian than theirs," he declared,
    "and their morals are pure."

    This whole investigative story revolves around the Rennes-le-chateau links
    to the Christ trail, "holy grail", ark of the covenant. What is intriguing
    is that the Cathars obviously knew something we don't and that has been kept
    secret all these years. A priest called Sauniere, who was appointed as a
    priest in Rennes-le-chateau, eventually uncovered a secret, most likely from
    the Cathars, which initially made the Vatican treat him with kid gloves. The
    Cathars who had holed up at Montsegur had smuggled out a huge treasure in
    January 1244 and then history records that on March 16th, the night after
    200 of their fellows had been killed, 4 Cathar parfaits who had been
    smuggled out by sympathetic enemy troops (sympathetic because they were
    locals) made an escape down the mountainside by rope, with something else
    they wanted to hide from the enemy. It could not have been heavy, due to the
    perilous journey.

    Sauniere uncovered ancient parchments with coded messages during his term in
    Rennes-le-chateau, which he showed to the Priory of Sion in Paris.
    Thereafter, this lowly poor priest spent several MILLIONS renovating his
    parish and the whole village, building a luxurious country home, received
    the Archduke of Hapsburg at his church and began to erect weird statues and
    inscriptions in his church. Important other dignitaries began to visit him
    and when the Vatican tried to relocate him, he refused! And they backed
    down. Which is amazing.

    What is really eerie is that Sauniere met a great artist called Nicolas
    Poussin who thereafter painted a famous picture that depicts a tomb with
    encrypted words inscribed on it ET IN ARCADIA EGO. The anagram has been
    deciphered to read I TEGO ARCANA DEI - Begone! I conceal the secrets of God.

    In 1656 Poussin was visited by the Abbe Fouquet, brother of Nicolas Fouquet,
    superintendent of finances to Louis XIV of France.Abbe Fouquet wrote about
    this meeting with Poussin to his brother Nicolas: "He and I discussed
    certain things... things which shall give you, through Monsieur Poussin,
    advantages which even Kings would have great pains to draw from him, and
    things which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever
    rediscover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these things are so
    difficult to discover that nothing now on this Earth can prove of better
    fortune, nor be their equal."

    Well, shortly after receiving this letter, Nicolas Fouquet was imprisoned
    for life and held incommunicado. Meanwhile, the whole of his correspondence
    was confiscated by Louis XIV who inspected it personally. In the following
    years the king went out of his way to obtain the original painting by
    Poussin - "Les Bergeres d'Arcadie" - and placed it in his private apartments
    at Versailles. This painting depicts 3 shepherds and a sheperdess
    surrounding a tomb, contemplating the inscription ET IN ARCADIA EGO. In the
    background looms a rugged mountainscape. In the 1970s an actual tomb was
    discovered in a village called Arques, just 6 miles from Rennes-le-Chateau.
    The setting, proportions etc are an exact match to the one in the painting,
    even to the replication of a rocky outcrop on which one shepherd rests his
    foot. If there was an inscription, it has been weathered away. The villagers
    stated that the tomb had been there in their parents' and grandparents'
    times and its presence was recorded in a memoir dated 1709.

    What is really weird is that after flighting a BBC documentary about this
    matter, The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem in 1972, the three authors received a
    letter from an Anglican priest who stated that the "treasure" was not
    monetary, but consisted of "incontrovertible proof" that the Crucifixion was
    a fraud and Jesus was alive as late as 45 A.D. (Interestingly, the Cathars
    did not believe in the Crucifixion, but practised some mysterious recorded
    ceremony on March the 14th. When the attacking army gave them an ultimatum
    at Montsegur on March 1st, 1244, they were told they could live if they
    recanted their beliefs. The Cathars asked for 2 weeks to consider the offer.
    It seems that whatever was smuggled out on March the 16th was needed for the
    14th to practise their religious ceremony. Else they would have removed it
    in January. After holding their ceremony they were prepared to die. When all

they had to do was renounce their faith.

    The story comes full circle, with the Anglican priest's reluctance to
    elaborate on his shocking statement to the authors, but he finally admitted
    that he was told the "incontrovertible proof" by another Anglican cleric,
    Canon Alfred Leslie Lilley. When the authors investigated Lilley's
    background they discovered he had maintained close ties with the Catholic
    Modernist movement at  Saint Sulpice, Paris. (the feast day of Saint Sulpice
    coincidentally is January 17th - St Anthony's Day too - and it was on this
    day that Sauniere suffered a stroke, although his housekeeper had ordered
    his coffin on January 12th. This sounds like Cludo!!!!!) Saint Sulpice was
    where Sauniere had taken his discovery and admitted it to the inspection of
    Abbe Bieil and Emile Hoffet. In his youth Canon Lilley had worked in Paris
    and had made an aquaintance with Emile Hoffet.

    That's as far as I have read. The next chapter (3) deals with the Knights
    Templar, who apparently play a significant role in this story. "

Nikki

    ----- Original Message -----

From: Dean De Lucia [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Euro HE literature?

Nikki,

I wasn't aware of any European, middle ages book which talks of the hollow
Earth. Does it offer any information, or just a mention or two?

Dharma/Dean

Hi Jan,

The Cathars, who inhabited the Langudoc region of Southern France, were
Christians who
departed from strict adherence to the Catholic Church. They believed in
a
duality of existence and two
Gods: a kind God representing love or AMOR as they called Him; and
another
called REX MUNDI, (King of the World in latin) the god of evil, who was
responsible for material creation
and power. They believed a perpetual war was waged throughout creation
between good and evil, light and darkness, the forces of the 2 opposing
gods. The Cathars are linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-chateau and the
area is rumoured to be an entrance into the HE. Read the book, Holy
Blood,
Holy Grail.

Nikki

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The party next entered Lomme Bay and after landing found a grassy terraced slope on which they killed three deer. The party could hardly believe them to be the same species of deer that they had seen at Treurenbery Bay four weeks before. Then they were as lean as if they had consisted entirely of skin, bones, and sinew; these, on the contrary, might have competed as fat stock . . . . "

  VOYAGE AFTER VOYAGE CONFIRMS

OBSERVATIONS

  How it is interesting to note that these observations were confirmed and extended by Nordenskiold's further researches, and eleven years later we find him making similar discoveries and having this to say about them (this observation being made when he was on Parry Island)

  "Numerous traces and remains showed that even these islands lying in the neighborhood of 81 degrees are inhabited in great numbers by very large animals, which, if the facility of procuring the necessaries of life were the only condition of their choice of habitat, ought to betake themselves to tar more southerly regions. Numerous foot‑prints of bears, often following the traces of the reins [ reindeer ] for long distances, showed that a dangerous enemy to the reindeer lives in this neighborhood."

  A little later the explorer notices that the reindeer they shoot are, as he had once noticed before, much

        fatter than those shot in his             southerly journeyings.             Now those facts are sufficiently remarkable, but we will not dwell upon them now because we have further evidence along the same line that will be developed later in this book and that simply explains once and 'for all the reason of these observations which puzzled this great scientist.

        More in line with the sort of evidence which we are now particularly considering are Nordenskiold's observations upon the actual character of the northern lands. We first note that his views coincide with the other authorities we have quoted as to the ice only reaching to a certain latitude and then ending.

Members,

Here is a Freedom of Information Act document about Roswell from the FBI.

http://www.iuser.iwarp.com/main/foia.htm

Notice that it say: " The government has a very high-powered radar set-up in that area, and it is believed that the radar interfered with the controlling mechanism of the saucers."

What really happened is that the anti-gravity ability of the craft was interefered with by the radar. The gravity-inducing frequency which Cater talks about is between the radar band and infrared. So the radar in the area was close enough in frequency do interfere. Actually, I have heard of this hypothesis before, that some radar was turned on all of the sudden nearby and the craft spun out of control.

Dean

Leslee,

This may be a bit naive, but could the seven islands be the 7 original

planets (earth

included), before the plant Neptune and Pluto were discovered?

This is Dr. Thompson's explanation. The orbits of 7 planets should be the
"islands".
The measures fit quite well. The 7 continents of earth seem to be much more
improbable explanation.

But, if this is a plausible translation, then could the King of the World

have ruled over

us from the beginning of Vedic history, and still rule, traveling by UFO,

thus keeping

tabs on all the planets, especially with life (close to what we know)

considered on at

least Mars. Is there a master plan that runs throughout the solar system?

I don't wanna speculate much. The Vedic rulers were on the surface. About the
underworld (caverns & HE) we have quite little info. The seven underworld
lokas
are said to be inhabited mainly by demoniac beings, yet it is also said that
Maharaja
Prahlada and later his grandson Maharaja Bali ruled there for a long time,
even at the
beginning of Kali-yuga (when the Vedic literature was put into writting).
Although they hailed from demoniac lineages, they were great devotees of
Vishnu
and protectors of dharma. As the scriptures don't mention their death, they
may be
still there. But to equate them with the "King of the World" of
Roerich/Ossendowski's
accounts would be too far-fetched.

Also, could the abductions people report have more to do with a Master Ruler

than

Martians?

Who knows? But the King of the World seems to me more benevolent than
malevolent
figure so I'd say "no". If he has such powers he could communicate with
surface
humans without abducting them.

Especially when they mention other islands (as planets could be considered

islands in

space), and if I am correct, they could disappear and reappear anywhere with

their

mystic and scientific knowledge.

Yeah.

Also, it would seem to me that something along this scenario could be

responsible

for unexplainable Earth events, going clear back to Noah and the flood---as

Cater

says, where did all the water come from to cover the land in 40 days? From

what I

have read, even with a torrential downpour, there would not have been enough

water coverage to cause the magnitude of that flood. So perhaps an

intelligence

caused it, I will say though, that even with this explanation, I can see

Vedic Rulers in

control.

The Vedas say that the floods of various size come regularly due to torrential
rains.
Hard to say from where the water comes. It could be from the cosmic Garbhodaka

ocean. And there is definitely a higher order behind all this. There may not
be proper
rulers on this earth now but there are devas on higher planets who are in
charge.
But in Kali-yuga the demoniac forces are given more or less free hand, save
for
their ultimate destruction at the end of the age (by Kalki avatara). Then the
dharma
is restored again and earth is repopulated by descendants of two Vedic kings
who
are now said to be waiting (maybe in HE) for the beginning of new yuga cycle.

Jan

What is really weird is that after flighting a BBC
documentary about this matter, The Lost Treasure
of Jerusalem in 1972, the three authors received a
letter from an Anglican priest who stated that the
"treasure" was not monetary, but consisted of
"incontrovertible proof" that the Crucifixion was
a fraud and Jesus was alive as late as 45 A.D.

Btw, this is also mentioned by Church Father Irenaues
(see attachment).

Jan

irenaeusonjesus.txt (2.04 KB)