King of the Surface!!!

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People,

Please notice this comment by Shri Krishna in the Vedic classic The Mahabharat. To my mind, this book is something like the Vedic version of the Greek The Odyssey and The Holy Bible all rolled into one.

http://www.holloworbs.com/Krishna_Comments.htm http://www.holloworbs.com/Krishna_Comments.htm

Notice that Shree Krishna uses the term The middle portion. I have seen the term used in the Bhagavat Purana "madhyastan". It means "the middle place", more or less. Similar to Afghanistan.

In relation to the comments above, there is a bit of a geographical description in The Bhagavat Purana of where Shri Krishna met Jarasandha, and it doesn't correspond to anything that exists on the surface of the planet. An eighty mile hig mountain is mentioned. This makes me think that The Earth is similar to an amethyst, which is rough and has some some rumples on the outside; but inside, it is exaggeratedly different, having jagged points, relatively much higher than anything on the surface. It is the way of nature.

More recently, I have run across a comment in The Bhagavat Gita, which is an excerpt from the same Mahabharat. It ocurrs in the first chapter wherein all the warriors are blowing the conch shells, texts 16 - 18. The guide of the blind King Dhritarashta; the King is addressed as Prithivi-Pate. The word pate is simply translated as "king", and it does mean to be the king or to be the lord over something.

But the part about "pritivi" is simply left out. It means "the surface"!!! So when I compare this comment by The blind King's guide, and Shri Krishna's comment in The Mahabharat about the middle portion, I get the definite impression that the warfare depicted in The Bhagavat Gita was between the warrior clans of the hollow earth and the ones on the surface.

There is justification for this because it is much noted in the vedic literature that the incarnation Parasuram met certain warrior clans of the hollow earth and fought with them and exiled them to what I once saw was translated as "the unwanted lands".
Well, the lands on the surface as compared to the lands in the hollow portion are certainly unwanted, and since the Aryan migration was obviously from North to South, and since much archaeology and artifacts support the existence of a Vedic culture in the Arctic, I interpret - without stretching things - that the Vedic races that we see in Europe came from the Arctic, such as the Germans/Huns, the Scots and the Celtics, the Romans, Atlanteans and Etruscans, the original Greeks, et cetera; and that in the ultimate issue they came from the hollow earth. But they settled on the surface and generations and generations passed in this way after Parasurama, with this separation. The Vedic races passed into Central Asia, northern India and Bangladesh, too, and they mixed.
So the Bhagavad Gita war was very much a war between the inside and the outside. Notice that almost all of the hollow earth was united behind Jarasandha and was united with the blind king and his son, who opposed Krishna and Arjuna. So much was this so that the blind King's guide addresses him as the King of Pritivi, the outside, the forces from the surface.

Comments?

When it comes to the Vedic side of things, I have actually come up with a few original perspectives over the years.

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I tend to agree.

I would like to raise a possible meaning of Middle World or Middle
Kingdom, not necessarily applicable in this case, but:

In some concepts of this world, we live on the surface, with vast
subterranian worlds, but within the circle of what we call Antarctica.
Using the actually maps with the north pole in the center, the south
pole along the outer rim.

It is alleged that an ancient map was found in China over a
thousand years ago which curiously matches so many mandalas depicting an
abstract of this world. It has the inner circle within a much larger
square. It depicted vast ocean and thirty more continent sized land
masses within the square, outside of the circle.

So is it may also be possible to interpret Middle world as the surface
world within the circle, within the square. If this model of the world
is valid, and I actually tend to think it is, then the vast worlds below
the surface land an now even larger oceans is not really in the middle
of a globe.

It is easy to see how we on the surface are in the outcast lands with
all the evidence of vast scale warfare, technology caused desolations
like the Sahara and Gobi. I believe this world, the part we live on,
has been completely raped, pillaged, plunder, destroyed and the cycle
repeated. We live with extremes of temperature and lethal weather.

I would suggest that at least some of the vast subterranean worlds are
very nice, paradise like places with everything self luminescent, large
populations, technology, longevity, peace and prosperity. Stable
climate without storms or lightning, tornadoes, monsoons, typhoons, etc.
They may still have earthquakes and war with other civilizations though.

I base all of this on years of reading and looking for information on
the subject. This is just my opinion though.

Gerry Carton

middle place", more or less. Similar to Afghani_stan_.

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I though Kakudmi travelled to Brahma Loka to meet BrahmaReturn to earth hundreds of years in the future.
I was under the impression the bartles took place in the sky?
I am about to tackle the mahabharata and Vimana for a story I am writing.
Can you show me more details of how it relates to inner earth I would appreciate it.
The Hyperborea were meant to be the first in those Ice regions according to Mythology and they guarden an entrance to the centre of the earth which is why Hitler ended up there. His army believeed him to be Shiva bringing in distruction to clear the way for the Golden age which is why they did not question him but obeyed him. I guess much like Trump
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deandddd wrote:

People,

Please notice this comment by Shri Krishna in the Vedicclassic The Mahabharat. To my mind, this book is something like the Vedic version of the GreekThe Odyssey and The Holy Bible all rolled into one.
http://www.holloworbs.com/Krishna_Comments.htm
Notice that Shree Krishna uses the term The middle portion.I have seen the term used in the Bhagavat Purana "madhyastan". Itmeans "the middle place", more or less. Similar to Afghanistan.
In relation to the comments above, there is a bit of ageographical description in The Bhagavat Purana of where Shri Krishna metJarasandha, and it doesn't correspond to anything that exists on the surface ofthe planet. An eighty mile hig mountain is mentioned. This makes me think thatThe Earth is similar to an amethyst,which is rough and has some some rumples on the outside; but inside, it isexaggeratedly different, having jagged points, relatively much higher thananything on the surface. It is the way of nature.
More recently, I have run across a comment in The BhagavatGita, which is an excerpt from the same Mahabharat. It ocurrs in the first chapterwherein all the warriors are blowing the conch shells, texts 16 - 18. The guideof the blind King Dhritarashta; the King is addressed as Prithivi-Pate. Theword pate is simply translated as "king", and it does mean to be theking or to be the lord over something.
But the part about "pritivi" is simply left out.It means "the surface"!!! So when I compare this comment by The blindKing's guide, and Shri Krishna's comment in The Mahabharat about the middleportion, I get the definite impression that the warfare depicted in TheBhagavat Gita was between the warrior clans of the hollow earth and the ones onthe surface.
There is justification for this because it is much noted inthe vedic literature that the incarnation Parasuram met certain warrior clansof the hollow earth and fought with them and exiled them to what I once saw wastranslated as "the unwanted lands". Well, the lands on the surface as compared to the lands inthe hollow portion are certainly unwanted, and since the Aryan migration wasobviously from North to South, and since much archaeology and artifacts supportthe existence of a Vedic culture in the Arctic, I interpret - without stretchingthings - that the Vedic races that we see in Europe came from the Arctic, suchas the Germans/Huns, the Scots and the Celtics, the Romans, Atlanteans andEtruscans, the original Greeks, et cetera; and that in the ultimate issue theycame from the hollow earth. But they settled on the surface and generations andgenerations passed in this way after Parasurama, with this separation. TheVedic races passed into Central Asia, northern India and Bangladesh, too, andthey mixed. So the Bhagavad Gita war was very much a war between theinside and the outside. Notice that almost all of the hollow earth was unitedbehind Jarasandha and was united with the blind king and his son, who opposedKrishna and Arjuna. So much was this so that the blind King's guide addresseshim as the King of Pritivi, the outside, the forces from the surface.
Comments?
When it comes to the Vedic side of things, I have actuallycome up with a few original perspectives over the years.

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Very interesting Dean. It would be nice to see a compilation of such
observations from these texts that you've made here in a central
aggregation.

Gerry, are you able to pull up some of these sample mandalas and text that
you reference for us to review?

place", more or less. Similar to Afghanistan.

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Hi Gerry , Dean , being a Hindu with a moderate understanding of Sanskrit , let me chip in .

Let me just state here , that both the epics Ramayana and Mahabharata clearly refer to inner Earth (Patal Loka) though none of the principal characters of either epic are from inner Earth. Some of the peripheral characters of the epics , for example in Ramayan , Ahiravan , one of Ravan's brothers was from inner Earth - an interesting subplot in the Ramayan .

There are some well known sages , who are supposed to be meditating in inner Earth , such as the great Kapil Muni - Buddha himself was born in the city of Kapilavastu, founded by Kapil Muni's followers , thousands of years before Buddha's birth . Buddha's beliefs were strongly influenced by the teachings of the great Kapil Muni . No wonder , even the Buddhist texts , talk a lot about inner Earth .

The sacred Meru mountain (Mount Olympus to the Greeks) is supposed to be located at "Bhu Madhya" the Earth's center or navel of the Earth , as some describe it . "Madhyatah" or Middle Earth is another of the descriptions of inner earth.
The most intriguing word in the Sanskrit language is "Bhoogarbhveta" . The meaning of this complex word , a real tongue twister :
One who knows what lies hidden inside the womb of the Earth

Now isn't this word just loaded with meaning ?? I wanted to know if there an equivalent word in any other ancient language ?

Regards

Gerry, are you able to pull up some of these sample mandalas and text that you reference for us to review?

deandddd wrote:

People,

Please notice this comment by Shri Krishna in the Vedicclassic The Mahabharat. To my mind, this book is something like the Vedic version of the GreekThe Odyssey and The Holy Bible all rolled into one.
http://www.holloworbs.com/ Krishna_Comments.htm
Notice that Shree Krishna uses the term The middle portion.I have seen the term used in the Bhagavat Purana "madhyastan". Itmeans "the middle place", more or less. Similar to Afghanistan.
In relation to the comments above, there is a bit of ageographical description in The Bhagavat Purana of where Shri Krishna metJarasandha, and it doesn't correspond to anything that exists on the surface ofthe planet. An eighty mile hig mountain is mentioned. This makes me think thatThe Earth is similar to an amethyst,which is rough and has some some rumples on the outside; but inside, it isexaggeratedly different, having jagged points, relatively much higher thananything on the surface. It is the way of nature.
More recently, I have run across a comment in The BhagavatGita, which is an excerpt from the same Mahabharat. It ocurrs in the first chapterwherein all the warriors are blowing the conch shells, texts 16 - 18. The guideof the blind King Dhritarashta; the King is addressed as Prithivi-Pate. Theword pate is simply translated as "king", and it does mean to be theking or to be the lord over something.
But the part about "pritivi" is simply left out.It means "the surface"!!! So when I compare this comment by The blindKing's guide, and Shri Krishna's comment in The Mahabharat about the middleportion, I get the definite impression that the warfare depicted in TheBhagavat Gita was between the warrior clans of the hollow earth and the ones onthe surface.
There is justification for this because it is much noted inthe vedic literature that the incarnation Parasuram met certain warrior clansof the hollow earth and fought with them and exiled them to what I once saw wastranslated as "the unwanted lands". Well, the lands on the surface as compared to the lands inthe hollow portion are certainly unwanted, and since the Aryan migration wasobviously from North to South, and since much archaeology and artifacts supportthe existence of a Vedic culture in the Arctic, I interpret - without stretchingthings - that the Vedic races that we see in Europe came from the Arctic, suchas the Germans/Huns, the Scots and the Celtics, the Romans, Atlanteans andEtruscans, the original Greeks, et cetera; and that in the ultimate issue theycame from the hollow earth. But they settled on the surface and generations andgenerations passed in this way after Parasurama, with this separation. TheVedic races passed into Central Asia, northern India and Bangladesh, too, andthey mixed. So the Bhagavad Gita war was very much a war between theinside and the outside. Notice that almost all of the hollow earth was unitedbehind Jarasandha and was united with the blind king and his son, who opposedKrishna and Arjuna. So much was this so that the blind King's guide addresseshim as the King of Pritivi, the outside, the forces from the surface.
Comments?
When it comes to the Vedic side of things, I have actuallycome up with a few original perspectives over the years.

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What are the Sanskrit characters for this word Sidhartha?

deandddd wrote:

People,

Please notice this comment by Shri Krishna in the Vedic classic The
Mahabharat. To my mind, this book is something like the Vedic version of
the Greek The Odyssey and The Holy Bible all rolled into one.

http://www.holloworbs.com/ Krishna_Comments.htm
http://www.holloworbs.com/Krishna_Comments.htm

Notice that Shree Krishna uses the term The middle portion. I have seen
the term used in the Bhagavat Purana "madhyastan". It means "the middle
place", more or less. Similar to Afghanistan.

In relation to the comments above, there is a bit of a geographical
description in The Bhagavat Purana of where Shri Krishna met Jarasandha,
and it doesn't correspond to anything that exists on the surface of the
planet. An eighty mile hig mountain is mentioned. This makes me think that
The Earth is similar to an amethyst, which is rough and has some some
rumples on the outside; but inside, it is exaggeratedly different, having
jagged points, relatively much higher than anything on the surface. It is
the way of nature.

More recently, I have run across a comment in The Bhagavat Gita, which is
an excerpt from the same Mahabharat. It ocurrs in the first chapter wherein
all the warriors are blowing the conch shells, texts 16 - 18. The guide of
the blind King Dhritarashta; the King is addressed as Prithivi-Pate. The
word pate is simply translated as "king", and it does mean to be the king
or to be the lord over something.

But the part about "pritivi" is simply left out. It means "the surface"!!!
So when I compare this comment by The blind King's guide, and Shri
Krishna's comment in The Mahabharat about the middle portion, I get the
definite impression that the warfare depicted in The Bhagavat Gita was
between the warrior clans of the hollow earth and the ones on the surface.

There is justification for this because it is much noted in the vedic
literature that the incarnation Parasuram met certain warrior clans of the
hollow earth and fought with them and exiled them to what I once saw was
translated as "the unwanted lands".
Well, the lands on the surface as compared to the lands in the hollow
portion are certainly unwanted, and since the Aryan migration was obviously
from North to South, and since much archaeology and artifacts support the
existence of a Vedic culture in the Arctic, I interpret - without
stretching things - that the Vedic races that we see in Europe came from
the Arctic, such as the Germans/Huns, the Scots and the Celtics, the
Romans, Atlanteans and Etruscans, the original Greeks, et cetera; and that
in the ultimate issue they came from the hollow earth. But they settled on
the surface and generations and generations passed in this way after
Parasurama, with this separation. The Vedic races passed into Central Asia,
northern India and Bangladesh, too, and they mixed.
So the Bhagavad Gita war was very much a war between the inside and the
outside. Notice that almost all of the hollow earth was united behind
Jarasandha and was united with the blind king and his son, who opposed
Krishna and Arjuna. So much was this so that the blind King's guide
addresses him as the King of Pritivi, the outside, the forces from the
surface.

Comments?

When it comes to the Vedic side of things, I have actually come up with a
few original perspectives over the years.

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So aside from being curious of the Sanskrit for that, let me also chime in
for Hebrew:

Sheol (she'ol) or שְׁאוֹל (without voels: שאול) is the underworld so to
speak - a place of darkness to which all the dead go. This word is composed
of letters that mean (from Egyptian / rabbinical kabalistic traditions):

  • S(h)in: womb; or children of man (those born of womb)
  • Alef: first father (Adam) / God
  • Vav: divine decree; promises
  • Lamed: driven forth; whip/flail; sceptre of justice

Interesting: The word "Ah-L-ish" (name of the first being) would be "one or
first - driven forth - man" or first man to come forth from "the womb".
Again we see that the man was driven forth from the "womb" - but from WHAT
WOMB? Interesting that Sheol is where the dead go... and the first man came
from such a similarly composed place. As in all Hebrew, there are multiple
levels of meaning and understanding and therefore when we see the S(h)in or
womb references, it can most assuredly point to the womb of the world, like
we're seeing in Sanskrit.

I wonder if we can get some understanding from Sumerian? I guess in
Sumerian it is Ki-Gal or Irkalla (?) is the "Sheol" equivalent...

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the Buddhist texts , talk a lot about inner Earth

Yes they claim the gypsies are from the centre of the earth and will wonder until they return.
The sacred Meru mountain
They said that Mount Meru's slopes were studded with glittering gemstones and were thick with trees heavy with delicious fruit. Its peaks were rimmed with gold and a huge lake encircled it.
Or is it Mount Kailash
5 Aug 1927 Rorich saw Giant oval moving at high speed glowing like the sun changing direction from South to South West disappeared. Hindu Pilgrams have reported UFO going into the mountain. Underground UFO base UFO coming from Sky and disappearing at ground level.

“In the silence of the night, there often were strange gasping sounds in the belly of the mountain,” Muldashev, author of ‘Where Do We Come From?,’ wrote in an academic paper. “One night both my colleagues and I distinctly heard the noise of a falling stone that undoubtedly came from the interior (of the mountain).” He suggested that some beings lived inside the pyramid.
Is this the Extra-terrestrial home of Shiva? Not just a mythological home. Its apex resembles a man-made pyramid.
The dazzling dome of Kailas, the Jewel of the Snows, as the Tibetans call the holy mountain. He who realises its truth is t to worship the awe-inspiring Master of Kailas, whether he sees him in the form of Shiva, the destroyer of this world of illusion.

Mt Kailash source of three great rivers and is also the mythical source of the Ganges. the most important pilgrimage destinations for Buddhists and Hindus

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Soretna,

This page is basically a compilation, it is where I have most all of the Vedic quotes that I know of:

http://www.holloworbs.com/HE_Puranas_Home.htm

See the one called Sons of Sagara. It is an entire chapter from the brahmanda purana.

Dean