Jambhavan and His Underground Dwelling

People,

Here is something from the Puranas of India, about a run-in which The Krishna Avatar had with a giant simian-like creature called Jambavan. He is called the gorilla king here.

It is interesting to note that this narration comes to us from the Hindus, who weren't exactly ignorant people; the Hindus had a developed calendar system, were developed in mathematics, astronomy, and spoke and wrote a language which was/is so sophisticated that the modern Indo European languages are but a
simpler fragmentation of it. In this text which I have culled, you will see that the "gorilla king" lived in an underground home accessed through a tunnel, that he had a child to whom he gave the stolen jewel as a toy, that there was a nurse-maid watching over the child, and that the gorilla king was religious, participating in the religious system of the Hindus because he was a devotee of Rama.

The Yowie and big foot seem to have some intelligence, too, because they systematically avoid detection and live underground.

Remember also, that when this incident took place, the Kali Yuga had not begun yet, and men were described as having photographic memories and a duration of life up towards 1,000 years. So how would the simian creatures of the day have been?

Dean

The narration:

After this incident, Satrajit's younger brother, in order to display the
opulence of the family, took the jewel, put it on his neck and rode on
horseback into the forest, making a show of his material opulence. While the brother of Satrajit, who was known as Prasena, was moving here and there in the forest, a big lion attacked him, killing both him and the horse on which he was riding, and took away the jewel to his cave. The news was received by the gorilla king, Jambavan, who then killed that lion in the cave and took
away the jewel. Jambavan had been a great devotee of the Lord since the time of Lord Ramacandra, so he did not take the valuable jewel as something he very much needed. He gave it to his young son to play with as a toy.

In the city, when Satrajit's younger brother Prasena did not return from the forest with the jewel, Satrajit became very upset. He did not know that his brother had been killed by a lion and that the lion had been killed by Jambavan. He was thinking instead that because Krsna wanted that jewel and it had not been delivered to Him, Krsna might have therefore taken the jewel away from Prasena by force and killed him. This idea grew into a rumor which was being spread by Satrajit in every part of Dvaraka.

The false rumor that Krsna had killed Prasena and had taken away the jewel was spread everywhere like wildfire. Krsna did not like to be defamed in that way, and therefore He decided that He would go to the forest and find the Syamantaka jewel, taking with Him some of the inhabitants of Dvaraka.

Along with important men of Dvaraka, Krsna went to search out Prasena, the brother of Satrajit, and He found him dead, killed by the lion. At the same time, Krsna also found the lion which had been killed by Jambavan, who is generally called by the name Rksa. It was found that the lion had been killed by the hand of Rksa without the assistance of any weapon. Krsna and the citizens of Dvaraka then found in the forest a great tunnel, said to be the path to Rksa's house. Krsna knew that the inhabitants of Dvaraka would be afraid to enter the tunnel; therefore He asked them to remain outside,
and He Himself entered the dark tunnel alone to find Rksa, Jambavan. After entering the tunnel, Krsna saw that the very valuable jewel known as Syamantaka had been given to the son of Rksa as a toy, and in order to take the jewel from the child, He went there and stood before him. When the nurse who was taking care of Rksa's child saw Krsna standing before her, she was afraid, thinking the valuable Syamantaka jewel might be taken away by Him.
She began to cry loudly out of fear.

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Dean , thanks . You have highlighted a very interesting point - that anthropologists just do not accept...modern humans continued to coexist with various types of humanoid species till fairly recent times (last few thousand years)...both the Hindu epics Ramayana and Mahabharata have described many humanoid tribes (some of them subterranean) in vivid detail . Even the Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh has a humanoid creature (Enkidu) playing an important role.

The other strange link this 5,000 year old story has to modern times is the mysterious Syamantaka jewel itself . It was said to be cursed such that , whoever possessed this huge diamond , would be ruined . Some years after Krishna retrieved this jewel , he himself died and his Dwarka kingdom got submerged beneath the sea (off the West coast of India).

In later times , several Muslim invaders of India acquired this "cursed" jewel and fought bloody battles to acquire it...the Persians renaming it as the "Kohinoor" (mountain of light) diamond . Even the Muslim rule over India did not last . Finally , the British empire acquired this diamond from India...and even their mighty empire crumbled .

Presently , this Kohinoor diamond is housed in a museum at London...the Indian government keeps following up with Britain to return that ancient jewel to India - I sometimes wonder though (in case the stories about that curse are really true) , if it might be such a good idea to bring that diamond back to India :))

Regards

deandddd wrote:

People,

Here is something from the Puranas of India, about a
run-in
which The Krishna Avatar had with a giant simian-like
creature called
Jambavan. He is called the gorilla king
here.

It is interesting to note that this narration comes to
us
from the Hindus, who weren't exactly ignorant people;
the Hindus had a
developed calendar system, were developed in
mathematics, astronomy, and
spoke and wrote a language which was/is so sophisticated
that the modern
Indo European languages are but a

simpler fragmentation of it. In this text which I have
culled, you will see that the "gorilla king" lived
in an
underground home accessed through a tunnel, that he
had a child to whom
he gave the stolen jewel as a toy, that there was a
nurse-maid watching
over the child, and that the gorilla king was religious,
participating
in the religious system of the Hindus because he was a
devotee of Rama.

The Yowie and big foot seem to have some intelligence,
too,
because they systematically avoid detection and live
underground.

Remember also, that when this incident took place, the
Kali
Yuga had not begun yet, and men were described as having
photographic
memories and a duration of life up towards 1,000
years. So how would the
simian creatures of the day have been?

Dean

The narration:

After this incident, Satrajit's younger brother,
in order to
display the

opulence of the family, took the jewel, put it on his
neck
and rode on

horseback into the forest, making a show of his
material
opulence. While the brother of Satrajit, who was known as
Prasena, was
moving here and there in the forest, a big lion
attacked him, killing
both him and the horse on which he was riding, and took away
the jewel
to his cave. The news was received by the gorilla
king, Jambavan, who then killed that lion in the cave and
took

away the jewel. Jambavan had been a great devotee of
the Lord
since the time of Lord Ramacandra, so he did not take the
valuable jewel
as something he very much needed. He gave it to his
young son to play
with as a toy.

In the city, when Satrajit's younger brother
Prasena did not
return from the forest with the jewel, Satrajit became very
upset. He
did not know that his brother had been killed by a
lion and that the
lion had been killed by Jambavan. He was thinking instead
that because
Krsna wanted that jewel and it had not been delivered to
Him, Krsna
might have therefore taken the jewel away from Prasena by
force and
killed him. This idea grew into a rumor which was being
spread by
Satrajit in every part of Dvaraka.

The false rumor that Krsna had killed Prasena and had
taken
away the jewel was spread everywhere like wildfire. Krsna
did not like
to be defamed in that way, and therefore He decided
that He would go to
the forest and find the Syamantaka jewel, taking with Him
some of the
inhabitants of Dvaraka.

Along
with important men of Dvaraka, Krsna went
to search out Prasena, the brother of Satrajit, and
He found him dead,
killed by the lion. At the same time, Krsna also found the
lion which
had been killed by Jambavan, who is generally called by the
name Rksa.
It was found that the lion had been killed by the hand of
Rksa without
the assistance of any weapon. Krsna and the citizens of
Dvaraka then
found in the forest a great tunnel, said to be the path to
Rksa's house.
Krsna knew that the inhabitants of Dvaraka would be afraid
to enter the
tunnel; therefore He asked them to remain outside,

and He Himself entered
the dark tunnel alone to find Rksa,
Jambavan. After entering the tunnel, Krsna saw that
the very valuable jewel
known as Syamantaka had been given to the son of Rksa
as a toy, and in
order to take the jewel from the child, He went there
and stood before
him. When the nurse who was taking care of Rksa's child
saw Krsna
standing before her, she was afraid, thinking the valuable
Syamantaka
jewel might be taken away by Him.

She began to cry loudly
out of fear.

Sidhartha,

You are welcome!

Yes, I think that before the cloud mantle fell/before the Kaliyuga began, there was communication between man and animals. Solomon knew the language of the birds, right?

There was a female Alma caputured in the Cacausus region, who was domesticated and lived with a family in a home for several years. They dressed her in lady's garb.

http://www.holloworbs.com/Almas_of_Asia.htm http://www.holloworbs.com/Almas_of_Asia.htm

Dean

Yes Dean , in fact I've long suspected that some folks in Hollywood are indeed aware of this secret (basis of "classified" information from the Smithsonian Institution perhaps ?) .

In this regard , you may recall the humanoid character of Chewbacca , Han Solo's loyal friend (seemed inspired from Hanuman of the Ramayana epic) in the Star Wars trilogy , or for that matter , "The Planet of the Apes" , which is probably the longest running movie series in history - it started way back in the 1950s and sequels are being made till today !

Regards

Dean

Joseph Cater, very clearly, outlines human-animal communication. He doesn't
do it directly, but he does it with regards to human-spirit interaction
which can then be cleanly extrapolated to this. I actually believe we have
the means to accomplish this right now with just a modicum of research and
experimentation as it appears that, technologically, we're already well set
in this regard.

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The other strange link this 5,000 year old story has to modern times is the mysterious Syamantaka jewel itself . It was said to be cursed such that , whoever possessed this huge diamond , would be ruined . Some years after Krishna retrieved this jewel , he himself died and his Dwarka kingdom got submerged beneath the sea (off the West coast of India).

In later times , several Muslim invaders of India acquired this "cursed" jewel and fought bloody battles to acquire it...the Persians renaming it as the "Kohinoor" (mountain of light) diamond . Even the Muslim rule over India did not last . Finally , the British empire acquired this diamond from India...and even their mighty empire crumbled .

Presently , this Kohinoor diamond is housed in a museum at London...the Indian government keeps following up with Britain to return that ancient jewel to India - I sometimes wonder though (in case the stories about that curse are really true) , if it might be such a good idea to bring that diamond back to India :))

Regards

Soretna,

Right you are on Cater.

This human-spirit interaction that you mention is also described in the Mahabhat's accoun of The Abdiction of Duryodhana: http://www.holloworbs.com/abduction_of_duryodhana.htm http://www.holloworbs.com/abduction_of_duryodhana.htm

In other words, possession by demoniac spirits, something that we have all heard of before.

I remember years ago watching a video account of a man who had friendly relations with his in-laws, but woke up one night, got into the car, went to their house and killed the. The psycgoanalysts would have their nebulous explanations, but possession by spirits makes more sense. It is a matter of occupying the soul center. The Duryodhana narration speaks of the effects of the demoniac spirits upon the soul, and how they will actually do the fighting for Duryodhana's on the battlefield.

And our politicians?

Dean

Dean , since you brought up this topic on Duryodhana , the main villain of the Mahabharata epic , I recall the story of his birth...it was said that the moment Duryodhana was born , hyenas , jackals and all sorts of fearsome predatory animals could be heard...this was a very evil omen that the wise men of the royal family rightly saw as foreboding great destruction & death for their family members as well as people of their kingdom .

Duryodhana's uncle and the King's chief adviser , Vidura , immediately suggested that the infant Duryodhana be put to death to save the entire royal clan and their kingdom from massive destruction . However the Kuru elder , the invincible warrior Bhishma (who had a boon that he could not die unless he wanted to) & grandsire of both Kauravas and Pandavas , advised against the killing of infant Duryodhana . He believed in Karma and destiny and said that if the royal family's karma entailed destruction and their destiny was to suffer , the new born cannot be blamed for it - moreoever it is the duty of family members to bring up a child with the right values...at various points in the epics of Ramayana and Mahabharata , the calls of animals are shown as harbingers of major events.

Regards

Sidhartha,

Very interesting about Duryodhana. I would not want his karma on my shoulders, he ganged up with actual demons from the underworld and fought against the civilization of the followers of the celestials on the Earth, and other planets.

Dean