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I'd deal with someone else.

--Mike

Dick,

Soft particles formed of photons. Photons themselves don´t penetrate
so far.

And I continue to be unable to reconcile posted

Cater views with views on the same subjects presented by BOTH
Churchward - AND by Pratt in Pratt's several revealing Earth and
Gravity web analyses.

Prat puts up a lot of Cater, his views on gravity are a summary on
Cater. When I first read it, I thought that he was working with
Cater, getting tutored by the guy or something.

Slower vibration, longer wave-length and vice versa, so both.

The lion´s share. Gravity is also involved, I believe, but even
gravity is induced by the radiation of soft particles. That it why it
is not so readily perceived.

No. Photons cause light, either directly or as a disintegrated soft
particle. Soft particles also arrive in the Sun´s rays. The soft
particles begin to break up and release photons of light as they
strike the atmosphere.

Heat comes from hard particles, the electrons recognized by science.
These hard particles lie within soft ones and get released upon
sufficient agitation and friction.

Dean,.as you explained below, Photons from the Sun

collide and stick together in aggregates, forming "soft particles,"
or "light, that's all."

Soft particles are not light and do not execute the function of
light. A photon can be compared to a brick and a soft
particle/orgone, to a house. You can´t use a brick in the same way
that you use a house. They function differently.

  • The Sun's Photons become Earth's "Source of Gravity?" At
    one
    depth (50 miles or whatever) and a different "frequency," the
    Photon
    "soft particles" INDUCE GRAVITY EFFECTS.

Soft particles, the fundamental particles of matter within the Earth
and ether flow all combine to produce a negatively-charged radiation
which attracts positively charged matter. All atoms vibrate and
radiate, the atoms within the Earth emit the gravity inducing
radiation.

(Dean, that SEEMS a giant

deviation from Newton's thinking about masses and gravity - and a
deviation from Churchward's "central" magnet in the crust being the
source of gravity for earth's elemental particles.)

You said a mouthful. It disconnects gravity from mass in many
environments, such that mass can exhibit little gravity deep within.

  • "Gravity shielding." Going deeper and at
    another "frequency"
    of the Photon "soft particles," Gravity diminishes.

Yes, because that gravity-inducing radiation doesn´t penetrate 100%.

  • "Omnipresent luminosity." Further down the Photon "soft

Ø particles" get broken up and release LGHT.

Yes, they release the photons of which they are made just as a house
can break up into individual bricks, and then function like a brick.
They do this after a lot of penetration, i.e., a lot of friction and
a lot of breaking up.

No, there is a type of volcanic eruption described in Etidorhpa which
is different. It is caused by the interaction of water and certain
elements, Potassium, I believe.

Dick,

Yes, this is his model. You are mixing up some of my summarising, but
no harm, I am just explaining him.

  • The Sun. Apparently as a authoritative statement of fact,
    not as his hypothetical theory, Cater explains conditions inside
    the
    Sun and the cause of Sunspots. Leslee posted a paragraph from P.

224

Basically, yes. He wrote a whole book, you have to read the whole
thing. Remember that he uses the word " relatively " when he
describes temperature differences between the interior and exterior
of the Sun.

------------------------------

Here are some I'd like to know about. From reading his
books,
can you briefly describe his OTHER broad beliefs and his
explanations
about the following...

  • Has Cater described in detail, THE BIRTH OF THE EARTH?

How

In relation to the above two, I don´t think that he delineates much
on this part of things.

  • Does Cater believe similar hollows exist in other planets
    (obviously not the Sun from his above earlier statements) and if so
    did they result from similar causes that formed Earth's hollow?

Yes, and that the Sun is hollow, too. He talks quite a bit about the
hollow nature of Mars. I quote him in my Mars article, Truths About
Hollow Mars. When he talks of temperature differences at different
strata of the Sun, this doesn´t mean that the Sun is solid.

  • How were Earth's primary unstratified granite rock
    layers,
    overlaid with stratified Gneiss rocks layers formed?

He doesn´t specifically address this issue, but he does address the
transmutation of elements caused by ether and/or soft particle
radiation through the Earth´s shell. Thus, he says that deposits, at
least deposits such as gold deposits, were not deposited but that
they were " cultivated."

He doesn´t present this specific logic, but it corresponds well to
his other points.

He doesn´t specifically address this issue in his book. ( See my
next comment )

  • What does Cater believe beginning earth looked like?

After

He doesn´t enter much into the formation of the Earth, mostly he
dwells on geo processes as brought about by soft particles. It is a
book on soft particle physics, it is not specifically a geology book.

  • Does Cater dismiss Churchward's explanation of giant
    bubbles
    of explosive non-solidifying gases (mentioned above) having formed

Ø within earth's granite rock crust at Earth's beginning?
Ø
Ø
Ø As I said, since it is not a geology book, he didn´t dwell on
the actual creation.
Ø
Ø

Since he is probably completely unaware of Churchward, does Cater
have any OTHER
explanation for the vast volumes of such explosive volcanic gases
existing in earth's crust now and in far greater volumes in past
millions of years?

I doubt that he is unaware of Churchward.

Again, as it is not confined to geology, Cater doesn´t address this.

  • Does Cater have any comparable concept of a LIFE or
    VITAL
    FORCE existing IN earth's atmosphere? And that this LIFE FORCE

powers
Ø the elemental chemical compounds of living creatures and
plant life?

Yes! Soft particles are none other than prana, life force. The way in
which soft particles drive geo processes is analagous to the prana in
our bodies. Now you are touching on the thread of his book.

Ø ---------------------------

I have done this, I think.

Ø with Cater's definition of Photon as used in your email
above, if at all?

Dick,

Cater´s soft particle physics does not disagree on any of the
definitions below. It just adds on the other half, i.e., particles
which form from light. I.e., prana and orgone, and how they function.
DD

  • PHOTON: "Electromagnetic ENERGY in its particle form."

Machoarm,

The HET probably strikes them as something very strange and fanatic.
They probably think that it is the worst of kook stuff.

DD

There is also often a Nazi connection to HET mentioned. And when ppl.
hear "Nazi", they tend to dismiss the whole thing. Therefore the best
lump-in method is to lump something in with Nazis. Controlled media
use it often.

Jan

Yeah I guess your right!Hey didnt they say Einstien was a kook too!

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Isnt this strange

Good Point.

DD

Controlled media

Dean,

Also recall that, by the time they got through distorting it, the
Nazis held a "Koreshian" view of the Hollow Earth: They ended
up BELIEVING that our surface world is an optical illusion, and
we are in fact living ON THE INSIDE already. They went to great
mathematical and scientific lengths, even involving top rocket
scientists, to prove this to be the case, and that "the cosmos"
above us was actually an immense emptiness in the middle of
the sphere! They thought that the "coming race" was therefore
coming from under the ground, but from outside the hollow earth
that we surface people mistakenly thought of as a surface
world....

More info on this in the books Arktos by Jocelyn Godwin, and
Subterranean Worlds by Walter Kafton-Minkel.

--Mike

Members-

Attached above are some informative comments from Sadek Adams' book about
warmth in the Arctic.

DD

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Dean... thanks for your immediate answers - and comments. I've read all, but am printing this off to digest more thoroughly. About Pratt, he did mention Cater directly in a favorable manner on at least one point, but Pratt's several analyses of conflicting scientific beliefs of OTHERS, though not addressing Cater specifically, seemed to conflict with some general Cater ideas you've posted. Can't be specific at this moment, have to re-read Pratt to recall accurately.

About BIOLOGICAL history, I am completely surprised to learn that Cater believes "SOFT PARTICLES" are also Prana or Life Force! The "thread of his book."

"Soft Particles" seem to be THE universal "energy" or THE universal "quality" responsible for most physical and biological phenomena. In his books, does he assign qualities beyond the preceding? Does he assign qualities of "Universal Mind" (choosing Frode's favorite label) to "soft particles?" In other words, are "soft particles" endowed with the intelligence and purposes of "The Universal Mind?"

I'm attempting (if possible) to compare Cater's universal "soft particles" with Churchward's concept of the Creator, "God," (or Universal Mind) being THE One Primary (intelligent) "Force" that has created Secondary Forces, His "agents," which carry out His purposes throughout the physical universe.

Obviously each of these Seconday "Forces" are also "Spiritual" (in a sense), and must be endowed with "portions" of the "Universal Mind's" intelligence. They've been assigned specific MOTIVES and PURPOSES in physical creation. They purposefully operate the "elemental" universe's parts and set them in motion, from the smallest particle to the largest celestial body... Attracting, Repelling, Combining, Separating, etc., etc. Never by chance or accident.

Dean, from what you have so far described about Cater's universal conception of "soft particles," they seem to be THE most important Secondary emanation from the Universal Mind. Because "soft particles" appear to affect and be responsible for most physical universe phenomena, they seem to me to (nearly?) be The Universal Mind "Himself" - in action. The "God" Force in action. What is Cater's view on this? And yours? Does Cater assign "Universal Mind" intelligence to "soft particles?"

Universally responsible as they seem described, I can't conceive of Cater assigning just "mechanical" physical universe properties or qualities to them. Which leads to another question, what is Cater's general concept of "God" or "The Universal Mind?" Similar to yours? Nathan writes Cater believes "The Elders" created Earth. What does he mean by "Elders?"

BUT, Dean, having said all above, I have some criticisms...
I am TERRIBLY disappointed in your report about Cater's apparent UNCONCERN for the GEOLOGY of Earth and apparent lack of knowledge about orthodox and unorthodox explanations of past geological events. I admire Pratt for including Earth's geology throughout his thorough analyses. Haven't you? I expected to hear Cater's views on the important questions (especially geological ones) that I posed to you. Aside from non-geological comments, what you've communicated to me, is that his book is not concerned with geology. He doesn't discuss geology. What about in his PRIOR books?

How can Cater have ignored Geology? He regularly makes assertions about GEOLOGICAL phenomena (earthquakes, mountains, volcanoes, what happens in Earth's geologically formed caverns and central hollow, etc.) in relation to his theory of "soft particle" physics. AND about what happens in the "geological" body of the Sun. Dean, this doesn't make sense to me. It seems a giant gap in his awareness. If Cater lacks knowledge of Geology (as you imply), or doesn't understand Geology in general, how can he be sure his "soft particles" theory is not flawed? Or wrong? How can you be sure he isn't as off-base as other physicists you've doubted?

Surely Cater has SOME opinion about the ICE AGE (real or a myth)? That "event" is paramount in Geological history. If he has ignored earth's geological rock strata, and how they (and the entire crust and the Hollow) were formed, how can he be certain "soft particles" "transmute" anything in earth's crust? Where are his proofs, consistent evidence in physical phenomena to support his ideas

According to explorer and self-taught historian, geologist, biologist, mineralogist, physicist, astronomer, Steel manufacturer and mystic, James Churchward, there were TWO MAJOR causes of earth's past catastrophic events. You can examine the history of past geological changes and compare them with his explanations and come to your own conclusions. Churchward claims those two major causes are the following...

(1) The constant movement of hot, explosive VOLCANIC gases as earth's centrifugal force drove them upward, emptying them from earth's original gas-filled center and from deep pockets in the crust (resulting in earthquakes, submersions and emersions of land areas, later uplifting of mountains - and countless tidal waves caused by the former that wiped out many past populations)., Volcanic actions were the cause of MOST past catastrophes.

and (2) MAGNETIC CATACLYSMS, periodically occurring since earth formed, after the Sun's magnetic forces tipped the super magnetized north polar area toward the Sun, beyond the normal extreme mean position.
Earth's centrifugal force and GYROSCOPIC force eventually regained control and, like the rebound of a rubber band, sent the pole back toward mean, a re-balancing,... each time causing the loose ocean waters to continue rotating in the former direction, spilling over land areas, drowning all on them.
Until the last (and he thought final) magnetic cataclysm, only waters spilled over the lands. The last one, sometime since 20,000 years past, collected newly accumulated ice at the north pole and as the giant waves with carried ice and rocks swept over the pole down onto Canada and the upper United States, they ground to a pulp all life and vegetation in the path... and scratched the stationery rocks over which they traveled.
Those "scratches" on the stationery rocks and the signs of melted ice, are THE "evidence" that convinced orthodox geologists that a giant ice age glacier, miles thick, covered the entire northern top of the earth (and another equal one covered the South pole) It is the mythical ice age, a freezing ice box condition on earth, lasting thousands of years. If you can still believe it!

Now how could Cater have ignored the above GEOLOGICAL volcanic and ice age catastrophes and not have formed some opinions, some explanations for himself, about them? Surely, Dean, Cater must OTHER writings about such known phenomena that you are presently unknown to you!

Had Churchward not provided solid PROOFS about the above (and many other of his assertions), I would never have come to hold him in high esteem.

No matter how fascinating a theory may appear, without real-world proofs and evidence, it remains just a fascinating theory. Many physicists, like Michio Kaku, today present "string" theories and "alternate universe" theories that are fascinating but have absolutely not a shred of evidence to support his fascinating conclusions. Guess that's why he is labeled a (Great, in his opinion) "THEORETICAL PHYSICIST," who is never pressed to "prove" anything he has "theorized." Who cares about Proof?

I DO, Dean! I demanded it, when reading Churchward (or ANY other books that pretending authoritative knowledge). I demand it of prophetic "Seers" who predict global catastrophes and economic, political events. And so far, over nearly 72 years, have found most of such Seers lacking. (There are exceptions). And I must demand similar real-world proofs and evidence that support Cater's theory about "soft particles" being universally responsible for most physical phenomena, gravity, lightning, biological life, and on and on. If you have such proofs and evidence, I'd appreciate you advising me about them.

Dean, perhaps you are correct that Cater is aware of James Churchward. But I personally doubt Cater has ever earnestly read any of Churchward's 5 books. Near total Ignorance about Churchward seems "universal" among nearly all physicists, geologists, biologists and astronomers - orthodox and unorthodox - of the present. Cater, with his apparent disinterest in the diverse (but intimately connected) important subjects explored by Churchward, seems to be in the ranks with the majority of unaware scientists.

  • Dick Fojut

I've

About

Dick,

The Error of Mass, by Pratt, is heavily Cater, even things that he
doesn´t directly attribute to Cater are Cater.

His Arctic stuff isn´t very Cater.

Oh yes, he difines them as such, and says that orgone is yet another
term for the same thing.

Yes, but remember that soft particles are formed of wether particles.

In his books, does he assign qualities beyond the

He does so in relation to ether.

Well, Cater does talk about a hierarchy of beings and he refers often
to " Logos."

Because "soft

This is assigned by Cater to ether. ETHER forms PHOTONS which go on
to form PARTICLES, including soft ones.

I think that I could accept ether particles, and their energy, as
being God´s energy in action. I don´t know if I can acept them as
being God´s mental force in action because ether is used by the
living entities and we are small, God is great, so how can we " use "
his mind, i.e., make his mind subservient to us? But his energy, his
agency in action, yes.

Cater refers to more advanced souls who live in an ethereal or astral
plane as " elders." I guess that they would corespond to celestial
beings, or the demigods of the Hindus.

Cater has one similarity to my thoughts. He speaks of God as Logos,
God in a personal form. I see God as the Supreme Person more than as
a being, or Light, or energy. I feel that his personal form is
outstanding.

But hey, let´s not get into religion or else we will open a can of
worms on this list! I just wanted to answer your question to be
polite.

2> I am TERRIBLY disappointed in your report about Cater's

Dick,

Remember, it is a book on soft particles. Cater is a physicist. He
went into geological processes as they are related to soft particles,
he described the power behind those processes. I mean, if you talk
about continental drift, what DRIVES plate movement? That is what is
important an not understood. How does lava form, what heats the rock,
what causes earthquakes to explode, what generates gravity, how could
the walls of the planet hold out against the supposed superior
weight, ect. The rest might just be considered details, or at least
something more applied, remote from the cause.

He hasn´t been able to write, nor experiment at will. He has been
ostricized by the mainstream scientific community and " hassled,"
too.

I expected to hear

He is not inaccessible. He lives in Portland. He can be phoned, and
maybe visited. Tuscan once said something about seeing him, Leslee,
too.

Aside from non-geological comments, what you've

In chapter six he discusses geo processes. I have put some of it in
my Hollow Earth Science site, especially that article about a
Comprehensive, HE Model.

Clouds Don´t Fall presents Cater on gravity. Gravity is a part of
geology. You can´t have cavern worlds if you accept Newtonian
gravity, at least it becomes hard to reconcile things if you do. And
again, that a hollow shell can hold the superior weight from above is
hard to explain to a Newtonian, too. Gravity has much to do with
geology. Your concept of gravity can almost give permission to or
deny your concept in terms of the planet´s configuration.

How far into straight geology do you expect a book on particles to
go? He covers the HET in terms of soft particles, he doesn´t get much
into the Arctic stuff, for example, only to define his auroral model
and explain where the opening is and to talk about the magnetic lines
of force. Along soft particle lines, and only along these lines, he
talks about astronomy, Relativity, gravity, mysticism, time, health,
biology, cancer, etc.

He used to publish articles before and write letters, but this was
his first book. The Ultimate Reality and the previous The Awesome
Life Force are the same book. Right now he has one out about UFOs, or
else it is pending.

I don´t really know if Churchwards both principal forces, as you
explain below, are mutually exclusive of Cater´s presentation.

I really suggest that you write him. Or call him quickly and arrange
a visit. If I were in the States, I would have spent a weekend in
Portland by now to visit him.

Come to think of it, get his book first. What´s $25 plus shipping?
Get The Awesome Life Force from Health Reasearch. If you have read
his book, he will have some basis of discussion with you. You can´t
really question him without reading the book. It wouldn´t be a hard
book for you.

Keep in touch.

Dean