Gravity and clouds

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Frode,

Back to that ever-present topic for Hollow Earthers- gravity.

Clouds are composed ofmicroscopic water particles and are much heavier than
the surrouning atmosphere. It is a mystery that they don't fall. Orthodox
science attributes the flotation of clouds to the idea that the microscopic
water particles of which they are composed are always fluxing between a
gaseous and watery state.

Mr. Cater has a very different explanation for the flotation of clouds based
on his presentation of gravity as an electromagnetic radiation. The
microscopic water droplets in clouds actually carry a negative charge which
brings about repulsion in relationto the Earth's electromagnetic,
gravity-inducing radiation. ( They float )

" Now back to the example of clouds to study exactly how they are imbued
with negative charges- Remember that Mr. Cater presents the idea of a
gravitational field being characterized by a negative charge. " A paradox
seems to exist with regards to clouds. They consist of small water droplets
that do not fall. From the standpoint of the properties of water just
presented, they should fall. Every water droplet is attached to a dust
particle. This dust particle absorbs a high concentration of negative
charges from the water. The particle would levitate upward, were it were not
for the water droplet holding it down. [ The droplet now bereft of its
negative charge, and simply exhibiting the natural, positive charge of
matter ] If the amount of water around this dust particle exceeds the
critical amount, the droplet will fall as rain. Outer space is permeated
with fine dust that continually replaces the dust taken out of the
atmosphere by precipitation. Ths dust is vital to sustaining life on a
planet. Without it, there would be little or no precipitation.

Under certain conditions, water can lose weight and even levitate.
Experiments have shown that water, when ejected in the form of fine jets,
will start to levitate after falling a certain distance. Also, the fine
spray resulting from waterfalls often has a tendency to levitate upwards.
This phenomenon has puzzled many observers. By now, the reason is obvious.
[ for the reader of his book ] Such conditions cause the water droplets to
be impregnated with an inordinate concentration of soft electrons " [ of a
negative charge ]. ( Page 171 of The Awesome Life Force ) "

What I would like to know is this- Does the orthodox explanation account for
the phenomenon, or is it simply a non-sequitur? What drives the flux? What
is the source of heat? Why don't clouds freeze in freezing temperatures?

Does Mr. Cater's explanation fit in with the orthodox explanation, reinforce
it, exist as a remote cause, orare they simply mutually exclusive?

In spite of a lack of electricity for my computer ( Brazil! ), I would like
to get to the bottom of this mystery.

Dharma/Dean

Black, White and Bleach
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Hi Dean,

I wrote a reply earlier, but it did not show up on the list for some
reason. I basically said that I was intrigued by your dialog with
Dick regarding heat and that I wanted to look into that before I
looked into your question regarding clouds and gravity.

There are more to heat then the disintegration of soft-electrons
who then release the harder ones. Besides that I am a little
confused with what Cater means when he say that black and
white contains all the colors. What do you think about that in
connection to heat absorption?

I thought that I did understand this, but now I can't get it.

Frode

PS! I'll keep the private mail you sent me as a reminder to
answer your questions later.

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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Gravity and clouds

Hi Dean,

I wrote a reply earlier, but it did not show up on the list for some
reason.

Frode,

Is it in the message area. I do not feel comfortable about losing messages.

I basically said that I was intrigued by your dialog with

Dick regarding heat and that I wanted to look into that before I
looked into your question regarding clouds and gravity.

There are more to heat then the disintegration of soft-electrons
who then release the harder ones.

Besides that I am a little

confused with what Cater means when he say that black and
white contains all the colors. What do you think about that in
connection to heat absorption?

Well, black does because it contains all the colors. White is the absense of
colors and reflects all colors.

Well, white must also reflect soft particles if it reflects all colors,
which is why there is no heat absorbtion. In fact, it is reflecting hard
particles, too.

Black, of course, is absorbing light, hard particles and soft ones, too. The
soft particles must absorb some of the hard ones, anda lotofparticles must
pass rightthrough.

What don't you understand?

DD

I thought that I did understand this, but now I can't get it.

Frode

PS! I'll keep the private mail you sent me as a reminder to
answer your questions later.

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 00:15:45 -0300 "Dean De Lucia" [email protected]
writes:

Dean,

I think there is a lack of definition in your statements above.
I realize that in the way you are looking at things you are correct
but on the other hand I think you have it backwards. "Black" certainly
does not contain all of the colors although you are correct that it
absorbs
all the colors. As proof for this I refer you to a high school physics
experiment with a spinning disk. The disk has the primary colors of the
rainbow which is usually red, green and blue. All colors are indeed
formed
from this as proven in the way a computer color screen displays 16777215
different color combinations which is the capacity in color distinction
of
true color hi resolution mode on a computer monitor.
My proof that you have misstated the situation is in the fact of
the
spinning three color wheel in this high school physics experiment. These
three colors when rotated on a disk at high speed turns the disk white.
"White" is actually the proper color that combines all primary colors
together to form its pure white color. Another perfect example of the
way
white light is the combination of the three primary colors and by
association,
all other color combinations is when white sunlight passes through a
prism
and splits into the red, green and blue colors of the rainbow.
You will never take "black" light and pass it through a prism and
produce
the same three primary colors. Black as a color is actually a misnomer
and
denotes an absence of all colors, not the presence of all three colors.
As an interesting aside to this correction on my part, I was
watching
a program on satellite TV about the formation of rainbows. Because
raindrops
act as prisms the various angles by which individual colors are discerned
is why they form rainbows. Red has a particular range of refraction
angle
being bounced around on the inner portion of a raindrop. Green and blue
both have their own distinctive angles of refraction as the pure white
light
containing all three primary colors is split. They reflect backwards out
of
the raindrops and back to the eye of all viewers forming the rainbow.
A white colored object indeed appears that way as you state due
to the
fact that all primary colors are not absorbed but reflected. All colors
then must
reach our eyeballs to be recognized as white light.
Your statement about black having all of the colors is totally
wrong!
My proof that white light is composed or has all the colors has been made

above. I believe that once you think it over you will see I am right.

Scott

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Scott and Dean,

I once had a "dream". I was standing in an empty blackness, I at
least thought that it was empty until I discovered that it actually
contained all the colors of the rainbow. This was a profound
experience, it changed something inside of me. I don't know why
I mention this. maybe I just wanted to know if some of you have
had a similar experience.

Anyway. Here is some of what Cater says about black, white and
colors:

The experiment (referring to an color experiment done by Edwin
Land) also show that it requires subtle combinations of
frequencies for the eye to perceive color, when the light isn't in a
narrow frequency band. Otherwise, the eye will see things in
various shades of black and white. Shades of black and white
contains all the colors, but in the wrong combinations to be seen
as colors. This has its parallel and analogy in sound. The black
and white or shades of gray correspond to dissonance and
noise, while the colors correspond to harmonies and tones. The
ratios of frequencies producing colors in light are the same as in
the realm of sound which produce the tones and harmonies in
music. This is just another demonstration of the 2nd Hermetic
Axiom. This is why certain musicians, composers of the past,
and connoisseurs of music experience music in terms of color.
This is natural, since the same consciousness and awareness
is involved in the interpretation of each medium. (end excerpt)

I find it strange that the color black should contain no colors
when black hair or linen is made white by bleaching; taking away
something. Also when I buy a box of black paint they start off with
a base of white and add colors to that to make it black. Do any of
you understand what Cater means with dissonance and noise in
the context of colors? I have heard about white noise, but I would
associate black with silence, any thoughts?

Frode

Because

Green and blue

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losing messages.

I am not sure what went wrong. I thought that the same thing
was about to happen again, but it didn't. That is why the last mail
appeared twice.

Frode

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People,

About missing posts, pay attention. If you post something, keep a
loose eye out to see if it actually made it to the list.

Let me know about these things, either on or off list.

As always, remember that we have a daily digest so that the list
member doesn´t have to receive the e-mails individually, and remeber
to make your posting titles appropriate so that people know what your
posting topic is.

DD

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Scott,

A " lack of defionition?" You got that right! You have properly
corrected me by saying that black absorbs all colors but that what
we " see " is the absense of color in black. Black material heats up
because it absorbs the Sun´s radiations.

And yes, white reflects all colors.

I cheerfully stand corrected!

The rest of your post had some nice examples, I won´t reproduce it
all here.

DD

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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Gravity and clouds

Frode,

The colors are all there in black in the sense that they are latent. The
colors/photon particles become formed into soft particles which are not
visible, hence darkness, the absence of visible photons.

And bleaching does what- it causes the soft particles already present to
reflect the light photons instead of having the light photons form into soft
particles.

How does bleaching do this? Bleach adjusts the speed of the electrons such
that the ether passing in between forms itself into photons which are then
"emitted " by the atom as light, right?

First paragraph of Cater's chapter 13:

" Great fluctuations occur in the velocity of electrons in their orbits
when materials are subjected to high temperatures. This, in turn, creates
interactions and interference effects between electrons moving in opposite
directions inside atoms and between electrons in adjacent atoms. These
interactions generate changes in the electrostatic field effects of the
electrons, which will cause regular and distinct changes in their orbits.
This is because the charge on the electron varies with its velocity. Abrupt
changes in a particle disrupts the ethers which, in turn, results in the
formation of photons. In one respect, the theorists did make a lucky
assumption, but the " quantum jumps " of the electrons were the effects,
along with the light produced, and not the cause of the spectral lines."

What do you think, Frode?

DD

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Mike Mott,

About the injured hollow earther Branton, where can we get his books?

DD

Branton has been a tireless and daring researcher. He has
written and compiled a number of valuable books on ufology,
subterranean phenomena, conspiracies, and secret societies,
and the connections between these topics. Now, all of his
valuable knowledge is "gone out the window," so to speak, and
only exists in the form of the works he has completed. I urge any
or all of you to go to Amazon.com, do a search on "Branton," and
pick up his books WHILE YOU STILL CAN. "Secrets of the
Mojave" and "The Dulce Wars" are particularly excellent pieces of
research. Get the in-stock copies BEFORE THEY ARE
UNAVAILABLE.

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Members,

I invite everybody to download stuff from my sites. Cavern Worlds has some
linksright atthe top.

Etidorhpa would be a good one to download, just for safe keeping and ease of
referral. I have proof-read every last word!

Actually, I haven't been able to cut and paste it because the print is white
on a black background. White print doesn't show up on my Word program. How
do we deal with this- anybody?

Dean

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Dean: I just purchased two of Branton's books before I ever found out about
his accident. One was on Germans at the S. Pole and the other was the
Dulce Wars. I purchased both fromAmason.com. I posted a site that gave
Branton's Testimony and nobody seemed to make a remark. It was on World of
the Strange. The testimony was No. 2. I thought this was strange since he
was listed as a sleeper for the CIA and received most of his info in a
trancelike state. I read this before he had the accident or hit and run or
what ever. From: Ralph

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Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Injured Branton

Ralph,

Don't go to pieces, the list members don't usually engage in chatter. It's
a lurker thing.

I'll go look at it, I am gettingmore interested in this guy. If he's a
targe,there must be a reason.

DD

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List Members,

Here are some comments on the aurora from Joseph H. Cater. I am sure that
we can all agree on his last comment at the bottom.

" The diameter of the ring will fluctuate. It will vary from approximately
the diameter of the opening, to several thousand miles. The particles which
hit the atmosphere, when ejected from the openings usually travel
considerable distance beyond the opening, before many of them disintegrate
into their constituent light. This distance will vary according to their
concentration, and the velocity at which they are ejected. They are forced
outward in all directions by a continuous flow of particles from the
interior. Resistance produced by atmosphere and the particles it already
contains, tends to slow them down. This causes a backup of particles. The
backup of particles will often concentrate close to the lip of the opening
during periods of normal solar activity, when the velocity of particles
ejected from the interior is relatively low. The resultant disintegration of
particles will produce a ring approximately the diameter of opening. It has
been found that during this period, the rings measure 600-700 miles across.
Interestingly enough, a close examination of early satellite pictures
indicate that the north polar opening about 600 miles in diameter. Since the
above-mentioned flat in the outline of the Earth is about 1,600 miles or
more across, it can be concluded that the Earth's shell is about 1,000 miles
thick!

It is interesting to note how our obtuse physicists account for the above
phenomenon. They claim to have located a huge egg-shaped power source, that
helps create the northern and southern lights. The power source" is
allegedly an invisible zone, 30-40 times the size of Earth, located about
400,000 miles distance, always on the side of Earth away from the Sun. It
uses magnetic forces to trap electrically charged particles from the " Solar
Wind." Supposedly, satellite photos of the most detailed ultra violet and
visible light of the north-and southern lights, allowed these " ingenious "
individuals to caIculate the location of the power source in the Earth's
magnetic tail." The tail is supposedly, the 4-million mile long part of the
Earth's magnetic field, blown away by the solar wind.

They are candid enough to admit the photos do not actually show the power
supply that created the lights, but by studying the photographed variations
in the light, physicists were allegedly able to caIculate its location and
they were also a bit vague as to the nature of this phantom " power source,"
and why it has to be always on the side of Earth away from the Sun. Often,
in their futile attempts to explain away certain phenomena, they drag in a
monstrosity that poses a greater mystery than the one they are trying to
explain away. "

Have you alseen the broken auroral ring pic?

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Was the " real reason for the mission " to investigatethe hollow Earth
opening in the Arctic?

Dharma/Dean

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Dean... When I run into white type on black (or color type) that prints as is on my laser, I COPY the text (all or most) to a little App I have called "Style," a shareware I found on the web. But I found a couple other TEXT type shareware and Freeware similar little Apps that also seem useful to copy and CHANGE text in color.

Another method I've used is to COPY the text (part or all) to my EUDORA Email program, then change color etc. Then Email it to myself or copy it our of there to any text program like Nisus, etc. (Probably work copied to IE or Netscape's Email programs as well. Not sure about them as I don't use either for email.

I have to CONVERT most of your Word PC text file docs to other formats anyway. I don't have Word on my Mac. Don't know if the "Style" App is available for PCs, but I find it very useful on my Mac.

Any help?

  • Dick
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Dick,

Since Etidorhpa is so, so long, it would be a lot of work to break it
up and send it back to myself.

I´ll look for a similar function on Word 2000 as you have mentioned
in relation to your Mac. The thing that would be easiest is a Word
function. There must be one but I can´t imagine which it is.

DD

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Members-

I put in counters and guest books to all of those new sites which I
recently put up. This doesn´t change things for most of you,
obviously. It is mostly something for new visitors.

Dallas-

Bravenet worked just fine, easy to use.

DD

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People,

By the way, that Franklin Expedition was big, what happened to them is a big
mystery, the people who went after them left some " big " observations, like
Hayes and Kane, and this new book which is out with some new research info
is big, too.

Somebody in the States go out and pop $23 bucks for the thing and let us
know about it, ok?

I'm going to order it in Brazil, but it will take a while to get to me.

Dharma/Dean

Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Franklin Expedition

Was the " real reason for the mission " to investigate the hollow Earth
opening in the Arctic?

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Dharma/Dean

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Dino, give me more info on it and I will order from Iterlibrary loan (ILL)
here at our local college. They have ordered me many hard to find books.
If I use ILL I can read it and report to you all on it without first buying
the book.

Will "Argyll" Rhea