Grandfather Frost a Vedic God

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List Members,

I got this from the vedica list. Notice that the writer mentions that
Northern Russia is the cradle of indo-europen culture. Northern Europe, of
course, is only a hop, skip and a jump from the opening.

DD

Grandfather Frost is a Vedic God
DADAN UPADHYAY

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MOSCOW, DECEMBER 30: A Russian scholar says red Russia's fairy tale
Grandfather Frost, or Ded Moroz, is none other than Varuna, the god
of seas in Hindu mythology.

Grandfather Frost, who is currently taking rest at his Moscow
residence,gives children presents just as Santa Claus does but is
associated with New Year's, the most universally observed Russian
holiday. He flew to the capital from the northern Vologda region town
of Veliky Ustyug, his official hometown, 800 kms east of Moscow,
along with his assistant Snegurochka, or the Snow Maiden, as the
festivities kicked off on the Christmas.

In the year 2003, which marks the beginning of the astrological age
ofAquarius, Grandfather Frost is expected to shed his dear-old-man
mask andallow the people of the world to see him as he truly is
Varuna, the supremeVedic god of water.

According to Vologda State University ethnologist, Svetlana
Zharnikova,the Frost legend originated in the Russian north, the
cradle ofIndo-European civilization.

``All the original paradigms of Indo-European culture grew out of
PolarEurope, and one of them is the image of Grandfather Frost,''
claims Zharnikova. ``Because the Indo-European peoples originated
within the Arctic circle, which was 30 degrees further south at the
end of the Stone Age,'' she said. Characters related to cold and
winter became an integral part of Vedic mythologies.

Varuna was both the source of life and death, and was described in
Vedicwritings as holding the tree of life, an image reminiscent of
GrandfatherFrost standing next to a Christmas tree, says the
ethnologist.

The mythical hero of Russian children's New Year celebrations is said
to emerge from the forest, deliver presents, then disappear to some
uncertaindestination.

Grandfather Frost's two homes, built last year in the traditional
Russianstyle, were subsidized by the influential Moscow mayor Yury
Luzhkov. Hisnew house at the Izmailovsky Park in Moscow, is expected
to serve a variety of purpose. According to the Moscow government
plans, it will be a venue of for children's parties, exhibitions, and
contests.

Also, it will house a cafe, and children's crafts shop and studio.
Future plans include the opening of a Grandfather Frost and Snow
Maiden Museumthat will display items highlighting the history.

Copyright © 2000 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.

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in the World's Ancient Vedic Culture, with a focus on its historical,
archeological and scientific aspects. Also topics about India, Hinduism,
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DD,

It is true to this day that many Russians use/have Vedic first names.

MM

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List Members,

You all might find the following genetic information, from Mike Mott's book,
to be interesting with
regards to the Aryan Invasion Theory. It suggests that there wasn't a
continuous migratory stream from Northern Europe to India. Of course, the
simple fact that the Caucasians in Northern Europe are blond haired and
blue-eyed
also suggests that the Caucasians did not migrate from an area where they
had darker pigmentation to an area where they became sun bleached, IMHO. But
the fact that the original European stock had a distinct gene pool also
points in this direction, that the origin of Caucasians in India, the Middle
East and Europe was not exactly the same.

I think that this fact is very congruent with the Hollow Earth Theory and
the idea that the hollow portion is the origin of the race on the surface of
the Earth. The opening is suspected of being in the vicinity above the New
Siberian Islands in the Arctic basin, so you all can see how easy it would
be for an interior people to spill out and down- maybe by way of Franz Josef
Land- into Europe. Other migrations, at different points in time, could
account for the Cacasian presence on the Steppes of Central Asia through to
India. This could also explain differences in chromosomes.

Sincerely,

Dharma/Dean

From Caverns, Caldrons and Concealed Creatures:

" According to these reports, a group of geneticists at Trinity College in
Dublin, led by Daniel Bradley, have determined that the oldest "pure" racial
bloodline in Europe still exists in the West of Ireland, the furthermost
western edge of Europe. According to the report (March 22, 2000), Bradley
and his colleagues have used surnames along with the male Y chromosome in
order to reconstruct a 1,000-year-old genetic map of Ireland, demonstrating
that the Irish are truly representative of a ' race ' which is distinct from
other Europeans-- a race apart.

Bradley stated to the press that ' When you look at this old genetic
geography of Ireland what you find is that in the West (of the Emerald Isle)
we are almost exclusively of one type of Y chromosome.'

The Y chromosome, passed down exclusively from father to son, is an object
of interest and study to geneticists, as it accentuates differences between
populations. According to Bradley:

"It is inherited as a unit so the information you get from it is of a
special type."

The researchers examined the Y chromosomes of men with Gaelic surnames from
the western-most province of Connaught, finding that 98.3 percent had a
group of genes on the Y chromosome known as haplogroup 1.

Bradley observed, ' When you look at Gaelic surnames they are different in
frequency of Y chromosome types from non-Gaelic surnames.'

Furthermore, more than 98 percent of men with Gaelic names in the western
half of the island had haplogroup 1, but numbers dropped significantly on
the eastern side of Ireland, whereas there's a gradient of haplogroup 1
across Europe which starts at almost zero in the Far East and grows to
almost 100 percent in the west of Ireland. According to Bradley and his
team, this gives a snapshot of what the original ancient racial type of
Europe once looked like, before successive invasions and influxes by other
racial or genetic groups."

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Dean, I'll cross post my other reply to you, since it is pertinent.

--M.

Dean De Lucia wrote:

Mike Mott,

Check this one out: Mapping the Icelandic Genome

http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/biotech/iceland/

Click on What's New, and try not to fall out of your chair.

Dharma/Dean

This is very interesting.

There are many folkoric parallels between certain isolated
islands and island groups, including the motif of subterranean
humanoids who torment, trick, mystify, kidnap and mate with
humans. These island groups are specifically Ireland, Britain
(Wales, Scotland, England) in an earlier time, Japan, and
Iceland.

One reason for this may be the desire of a parasitical race or
species to maintain certain genetic characteristics among a
local and easily-accessible group. It will be interesting to see if
the findings in Iceland will be as singularly distinct as were
those in aboriginal Irish blood-types recently.

--Mike

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Where was Iceland settled from, Denmark?

Dharma/Dean

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Scandinavian, and primarily Norwegian, with a large and
somewhat continuous influx of Celtic slaves and intermarriage
from Ireland, Scotland, the Orkneys, etc. Most of the slave caste
was brought from Ireland, so a mostly Norwegian-Irish mix is the
original matrix from which the Icelanders sprang. At least
according to the Sagas.

--Mike

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Dharmaji,

I got this from the vedica list.

This is interesting. It confirms the Santa Claus info I posted here last year.

Can you specify which "vedica list" do you mean? There seems to be no such
group on yahoo, neither vedica.net has this article.

Thanx Jan

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JanJM,

Here is the site that the Vedica list is connected to. To get in, you have
to click on " Vedic " on the left on the bar at the bottom:

But the article was on the list, not the site. The site for the list is at:

They are interested in tracing the common root of Indo-European culture.

DD