Flying with artificial wings?

Hi Blake,

I have been thinking about ways for your character to get into the
Hollow Earth. More specifically about ways to deal with a crack or
opening similar to the one they jumped into in Etidorpha. I think it
is quite likely that cracks and openings in the crust, that is not
reaching the surface, are as common as mountain structure on
the surface. There is a nice picture in «The Land of No Horizon»
on page 91 that explain why.

If you use Etidorpha and Cater's work as a model you would get
a good frame for building up an environment inside the crust and
inner surface. Especially the rapidly diminishing gravity in the
first 25 miles. This diminished gravity will give you options that
you would not have on the surface. Like greater leaps and
jumps. But to jump into a big «nothing» with no return ticket, at
least not the same way, would in my opinion be a little to much
unless you have a guide like the one in Etidorpha. You character
might not even have then knowledge needed to be sure that it is
a safe jump, and how is he going to avoid floating in mid air
when he reach the zone of weightlessness?

One way of getting more control over the situation would be to
use a parachute for para gliding or a hang glider. I personally
would thing that the best idea would be to have some artificial
wings. When the influence of gravity then are getting close to
zero you would have no problem flying around like a bird. What
kind of life would live in a weightless environment like that? By
flapping around your character could explore that. Like divers on
the surface that swim along with wales your character could
maybe fly around with dragon like creatures. What about floating
cities on big floating stones?

Before your character jumps into the hole he could use some
kind of small probes that he throws into the hole to see what is
down there. This probes could contain a miniature camera and a
gravity meter. Through some VR-goggles and radio
communication with the probe he could then see what is down
there before entering.

Just some thoughts,

Frode

Related thread: Any Ideas on Traversing the Crust??? — Answers Blake's question about traversing the crust

Subject: Re: Flash-frozen mammoth

I think 'frozen in ice' is not precisely correct friend - the remains are
always found frozen in 'muck', rather than 'straight' water. The creature
would have likely become enmired or fallen into a crevasse - but the
percentage of the Mammoth population so preserved was no greater than the
typical attrition rate of any other herding species (according to
palæo-biologists).

Anthony,

Again, my sources are contradicting you. Gardner presents the history of
atleastonemammoth encased in ice:

" In J. W. Buel's " The World's Wonders " we read:
" The farther north we penetrate, in greater abundance are found vestiges of
elephants, tortoises, crocodiles, and other beasts and reptiles of a
tropical climate. These are found in greatest abundance along the banks of
rivers flowing from the north, seeming to prove that there is, somewhere
beyond the frozen belt not yet penetrated by man, a warm country, with
climate and productions similar to those of the tropics. Along the borders
of Siberia, the remains of tropical animals are so commonly found as to
constitute a considerable source of commerce. In Asiatic Russia there is not
a single stream or river on the banks or in the bed of which are not found
bones of elephants, or other animals equally strange to that climate. In
1799, a fisherman of Tongoose, named Schumachoff, discovered a tremendous
elephant- as perfect as when thousands of years
before, death had arrested its breath- encased in a huge block of ice, clear
as crystal. This man, like his neighbors, was accustomed, at the end of the
fishing season, to employ his time in hunting for elephant tusks along the
banks of the Lena River, for the sake of the bounty offered by the
government; and while so employed, in the ardor of his pursuit, he passed
several miles beyond his companions when suddenly there appeared before his
wondering eyes the miraculous sight above alluded to. But this man was
ignorant and superstitious, and instead of
hastening to announce his wonderful discovery for the benefit of science, he
stupidly gazed upon it in awe and wonder, not daring to approach it. For
several successive seasons from the time when he first discovered it, did
Schumachoff make stealthy journeys to his crystallized monster, never
finding courage sufficient to approach it closely, but simply standing at a
distance, once more to feast his eyes on the wonder, and to carry away in
his thick head enough of terror to guarantee him a nightmare for a whole
month of nights. At last he found the
imprisoned carcass stranded on a convenient sand-bank, and boldly attacked
it, broke the glittering casing, and roughly despoiling the great beast of
its splendid tusks, hurried home and sold them for fifty roubles, leaving
the well preserved bulk of elephant meat, thousands of years old, yet juicy
and without taint, to be devoured by wolves and bears or hacked to bits by
natives as food for their dogs."

IN PERFECT PRESERVATION

We next turn to Dr. H. D. Northrop's "Earth, Sky, and Sea", where we find
some later information about this same case. It seems that after the
fisher-man had left the mammoth carcass he told of its whereabouts and a
party set out to examine it:

" For some time the flesh of this animal was cut off for dog-meat by people
around, and bears, wolves, gluttons, and foxes, fed upon it till the
skeleton was nearly cleared of its flesh. About three-fourths of the skin,
which was of a reddish-gray color, and covered with reddish wool and black
hairs about eight inches long, was saved, and such was its weight, that it
required ten men to remove it; the bones of the head, with the tusks,
weighed four hundred and sixteen pounds. The skeleton was taken to St.
Peters-burg, where it may still be seen in the Museum of Natural History.
The animal must have been twice the ordinary size of the existing elephant,
and it must have weighed at least twenty-thousand pounds."

Gardner on the mammoth: http://skywebsite.com/hollow/arctic/id9.html

The quick-frozen Mammoth does not provide evidence for polar shift, sudden
change of climate, or any other widespread catastrophe.

I think that the existence of well-preserved mammoth remains, with grass in
its teeth and undigested food in its stomach, does not have an explanation
according to any orthodox thought. Hollow Earthers interpret the existence
of such remains to the existence of an opening to the warmer, hollow portion
of the Earth somewhere above the New Siberian Islands; that the mammoth fell
into the ice recently while still in the hollow portion, and that they
floated out.

Dharma/Dean

Dean Answered Anthony...

I think that the existence of well-preserved mammoth remains, with grass in
its teeth and undigested food in its stomach, does not have an explanation
according to any orthodox thought. Hollow Earthers interpret the existence
of such remains to the existence of an opening to the warmer, hollow portion
of the Earth somewhere above the New Siberian Islands; that the mammoth fell
into the ice recently while still in the hollow portion, and that they
floated out.

Dharma/Dean

Dean... I simply can't let your comment above stand unchallenged. You, Dean, seem to be the MAIN "Hollow Earther" that "interprets" the existence of such remains as having floated up through the polar hole. True, "orthodox thought" does not have another explanation. But James Churchward in his ":Cosmic Forces of MY" books, did... and a damned reasonable explanation it is, no matter how much you refuse to give it any credence. I've written of it time after time in prior months. Seems completely forgotten by you - and some others.

FINALLY BUY HIS books and read them!. Perhaps then you might not be so totally self-convinced the remains of large animals (some well preserved, most not) at the mouth of the Lena River MUST HAVE floated out of a polar hole! Possibly there have been vast herds of such surface extinct animals inside the hollow in recent times and even now, as you want to believe,

But the re-balancing "lurch" (back to mean position) of the north pole during the "last" (he thought) MAGNETIC CATACLYSM before 17,000 years ago, described by Churchward, better explained the phenomena.

Earth's gyroscopical force regained control of the polar surface that had been gradually drawn out of mean from the Sun's powerful magnetic attraction for the magnetically super charged north polar area. "Pulled" free, the polar surface (and rest of earth) "lurched" away from the Sun back toward mean. But the looser surface waters continued in the former direction, the earth's surface passing UNDER the waters. Same result... The waters of the northern Pacific poured over the nearby (then still mountainless) lands; a north moving flood of great waves swept over the Gobi (wiping out and burying much of the Uighur empire), parts of Asia and Russia. The Lena DEPRESSION "guided" much of the water toward the Arctic ocean.

The Arctic ocean waters at the same time were "moving" OVER the polar north, down onto Canada, the United States and western parts of northern Europe, the waves carrying with them accumulated polar ice, which with picked up rocks, pulverized into a mash, all vegetable matter, animal life - and man - in the path of the SOUTH moving wave.

The NORTH moving waves (WITHOUT ICE) of the same MAGNETIC "lurch" moving over Asia picked up the vast herds of animals, large AND small, that roamed the verdant plains of Asia and Russia. MOST of them were tumbled apart by the waters and pieces of their remains are scattered from MANY HUNDREDS of miles south of the mouth of the Lena. Your polar hole as "source" is inadequate to explain how those vast quantities of remains over vast surface areas, came to be deposited. Churchward's MAGNETIC CATACLYMIC "lurch," suddenly sending large waves northward toward the Arctic, DOES explain how they may have been deposited.

A FEW of those large beasts, grazing NEARER Llakoff's Island, found with fresh plants still in their mouths and stomachs, were drowned and probably carried in the upper depths of the waves, and deposited relatively intact on top of the mass of animals forming the main Llakoff Island (and a few minor "islands" nearby) They were the exception. Most of the other beasts picked up by the waves were tumbled about, on to the surface rocks and broken into pieces. On the other side of the world, the waters carried ICE (plus rocks) which pulverized similar animal life into "fertilizer," leaving few traces.

Othodoxy still wants to believe that a great multi-mile high FROZEN ICE CAP (that had mysteriously built up gradually over thousands of years and then persisted for many thousands of years more, during a GLOBAL FREEZE) sat on top of the entire northern hemisphere. And at the same time another similarly imposing mass of ice covered the southern latitude of earth, between them temporarily seeming to encase most of water on the planet. Orthodox thinkers today refuse to think about the necessary multi-mile high mountain chain that HAD to exist in the north UPON which snow could accumulate to the depth of many thousands of additional feet to form such a glacier. That theoretical, necessary range of high mountains they once labeled the "LABRADOR MOUNTAINS," somehow later disappeared, swallowed up by the earth, without a trace they ever existed! Since their disappearance could not be explained, yet their former existence was necessary to build the ice cap, all mention of "Labrador Mountains" was conveniently deleted from published text books and "scientific" discussions. If any mention had remained, people MIGHT question the theory of a ice age, ice cap. Very upsetting to orthodox Professors and textbook publishers.

The major PHENOMENA orthodox thinkers point to in fundamental support of their theory that a GLACIER OF ICE moving (slowly too, they theorized) southward over Canada and much of the northern United States (large parts of it moving toward the east coast), and over Europe, are the traces of ICE SCRATCHINGS on the stationary rocks traveled over. The rocks were scratched by ice, therefore it must have been a giant, multi-mile high glacier of ice moving over them! Sounds reasonable IF one cannot think of ANOTHER way the phenomena could also be produced. Churchward DID think of another way...

Churchward claimed there was NO ICE AGE. It is a poorly supported myth he regularly produced ample evidence to demolish. No ice cap built up and covered large parts of the northern hemisphere for thousands of years. The evidence of ICE SCRATCHING the stationary rocks was accomplished by vast waves of water, moving south from the pole, carrying masses of polar ICE, as well as chunks of picked up rocks (which were rolled and rounded into boulders of various sizes). It was a catastrophic event lasting DAYS, not thousands of years!

You can choose to reject his theory. BUT it does explain HOW vast herds of Asian plains beasts were suddenly "moved" further north toward the Arctic where SOME of the bodies of the larger animals were collected to form Llakoff's island off the mouth of the Lena. Obviously, this catastrophic event was probably accompanied by apparently suddenly INCREASED colder temperatures near the Arctic as well, quick freezing most of the remains, the pieces, and the intact animal carcasses. His explanation (accepted or not) is reasonable for the animal-depositing phenomena. Your polar hole explanation, though a FEW beasts MAY also have come up from the HE, does not support the overall phenomena. Sorry.

  • Dick

2 Oct 2001 21:39:34 -0300 "0108 wrote:

->> Subject: Re: Flash-frozen mammoth
Hi. I'm reading your conversation for a few weeks already.
Want say somewords regarding the mammoth.
I eat once this meat. Not very tasty. But competely
feedable. Also ubsolutely right that the "yakuti" -native
people, lives at Northen part of Russia, gives that meat to
dogs. And they eat it too.
Very sad that you can't read in Russian. I foynded one
interesting source http://www.necromancers.com where have
the best Earth continent shift theory for today, I guess.
Also have some interesting (based on researchers database)
information about the other animals, frozen in the ice.

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Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Another neat-o cross post

Dean Answered Anthony...

I think that the existence of well-preserved mammoth remains, with grass in
its teeth and undigested food in its stomach, does not have an explanation
according to any orthodox thought. Hollow Earthers interpret the existence
of such remains to the existence of an opening to the warmer, hollow portion
of the Earth somewhere above the New Siberian Islands; that the mammoth fell
into the ice recently while still in the hollow portion, and that they
floated out.

Dharma/Dean

Dean... I simply can't let your comment above stand unchallenged. You, Dean, seem to be the MAIN "Hollow Earther" that "interprets" the existence of such remains as having floated up through the polar hole.

  • Dick,

  • In his turn-of-the-century book from the turn-of-the-century 100 years ago, Marshall Gardner wrote a whole chapter of the significance of the mammoth remains in relation to the Hollow Earth Theory ( HET ). I have it up: http://skywebsite.com/hollow/arctic/id9.html

True, " orthodox thought " does not have another explanation. But James Churchward in his ": Cosmic Forces of MY" books, did... and a damned reasonable explanation it is, no matter how much you refuse to give it any credence. I've written of it time after time in prior months. Seems completely forgotten by you - and some others.

  • No, I didn't forget his explanation, that a pole shift and resultant tidal waves brought the Arctic and the mammoth to the top of the Earth from a tropical zone. I think that such a shift would have been tumultuous, the wash from the tidal waves would have mangled their bodies, but what has been found are well-preserved mammoth, one at least in pristine condition.

  • The temperate or even tropical past of the Arctic could be accounted for by the existence of a cloud canopy like Venus has- it wouldhavedistributed the warmth of the planet more uniformly.

FINALLY BUY HIS books and read them!. Perhaps then you might not be so totally self-convinced the remains of large animals (some well preserved, most not) at the mouth of the Lena River MUST HAVE floated out of a polar hole! Possibly there have been vast herds of such surface extinct animals inside the hollow in recent times and even now, as you want to believe,

But the re-balancing "lurch" (back to mean position) of the north pole during the "last" (he thought) MAGNETIC CATACLYSM before 17,000 years ago, described by Churchward, better explained the phenomena.

  • The Tangoose mammoth, whose findingis described on that Marshall Gardner page, was not 17,000 years old. I am sure, though, that back when the Arctic was warmer, that the mammoth used to roam around on the surface.

Earth's gyroscopical force regained control of the polar surface that had been gradually drawn out of mean from the Sun's powerful magnetic attraction for the magnetically super charged north polar area. "Pulled" free, the polar surface (and rest of earth) "lurched" away from the Sun back toward mean. But the looser surface waters continued in the former direction, the earth's surface passing UNDER the waters. Same result... The waters of the northern Pacific poured over the nearby (then still mountainless) lands; a north moving flood of great waves swept over the Gobi (wiping out and burying much of the Uighur empire), parts of Asia and Russia. The Lena DEPRESSION "guided" much of the water toward the Arctic ocean.

The Arctic ocean waters at the same time were "moving" OVER the polar north, down onto Canada, the United States and western parts of northern Europe, the waves carrying with them accumulated polar ice, which with picked up rocks, pulverized into a mash, all vegetable matter, animal life - and man - in the path of the SOUTH moving wave.

  • Dick-

  • Again, the mammoth which have been found have been found in good state of preservation, at least with their skeletons intact. A huge wave carrying them across geographical regions would not have left them in such a condition.

The NORTH moving waves (WITHOUT ICE) of the same MAGNETIC "lurch" moving over Asia picked up the vast herds of animals, large AND small, that roamed the verdant plains of Asia and Russia. MOST of them were tumbled apart by the waters and pieces of their remains are scattered from MANY HUNDREDS of miles south of the mouth of the Lena. Your polar hole as "source" is inadequate to explain how those vast quantities of remains over vast surface areas, came to be deposited. Churchward's MAGNETIC CATACLYMIC "lurch," suddenly sending large waves northward toward the Arctic, DOES explain how they may have been deposited.

A FEW of those large beasts, grazing NEARER Llakoff's Island, found with fresh plants still in their mouths and stomachs, were drowned and probably carried in the upper depths of the waves, and deposited relatively intact on top of the mass of animals forming the main Llakoff Island (and a few minor "islands" nearby) They were the exception. Most of the other beasts picked up by the waves were tumbled about, on to the surface rocks and broken into pieces. On the other side of the world, the waters carried ICE (plus rocks) which pulverized similar animal life into "fertilizer," leaving few traces.

  • Dick,

  • You can say that, but a wave like that wouldn't have to drag you along the ocean floor to mangle you up, and why would the mammoth float along the top layers of the charging tidal wave?

  • If Churchward were still around, he might have evolved and incorporated newer points of view. You seem to be adamant about one interpretation by one man. I take what's good from Gardner and move one, I take what is good and what stands from Cater and move on- you do not seem to be able to do that. You can't just sware by Churchward and not be flexible. I bet he himself was more flexible about his theories than you are about his theories.

  • That's all for now,

  • Dharma/Dean

Othodoxy still wants to believe that a great multi-mile high FROZEN ICE CAP (that had mysteriously built up gradually over thousands of years and then persisted for many thousands of years more, during a GLOBAL FREEZE) sat on top of the entire northern hemisphere. And at the same time another similarly imposing mass of ice covered the southern latitude of earth, between them temporarily seeming to encase most of water on the planet. Orthodox thinkers today refuse to think about the necessary multi-mile high mountain chain that HAD to exist in the north UPON which snow could accumulate to the depth of many thousands of additional feet to form such a glacier. That theoretical, necessary range of high mountains they once labeled the "LABRADOR MOUNTAINS," somehow later disappeared, swallowed up by the earth, without a trace they ever existed! Since their disappearance could not be explained, yet their former existence was necessary to build the ice cap, all mention of "Labrador Mountains" was conveniently deleted from published text books and "scientific" discussions. If any mention had remained, people MIGHT question the theory of a ice age, ice cap. Very upsetting to orthodox Professors and textbook publishers.

The major PHENOMENA orthodox thinkers point to in fundamental support of their theory that a GLACIER OF ICE moving (slowly too, they theorized) southward over Canada and much of the northern United States (large parts of it moving toward the east coast), and over Europe, are the traces of ICE SCRATCHINGS on the stationary rocks traveled over. The rocks were scratched by ice, therefore it must have been a giant, multi-mile high glacier of ice moving over them! Sounds reasonable IF one cannot think of ANOTHER way the phenomena could also be produced. Churchward DID think of another way...

Churchward claimed there was NO ICE AGE. It is a poorly supported myth he regularly produced ample evidence to demolish. No ice cap built up and covered large parts of the northern hemisphere for thousands of years. The evidence of ICE SCRATCHING the stationary rocks was accomplished by vast waves of water, moving south from the pole, carrying masses of polar ICE, as well as chunks of picked up rocks (which were rolled and rounded into boulders of various sizes). It was a catastrophic event lasting DAYS, not thousands of years!

You can choose to reject his theory. BUT it does explain HOW vast herds of Asian plains beasts were suddenly "moved" further north toward the Arctic where SOME of the bodies of the larger animals were collected to form Llakoff's island off the mouth of the Lena. Obviously, this catastrophic event was probably accompanied by apparently suddenly INCREASED colder temperatures near the Arctic as well, quick freezing most of the remains, the pieces, and the intact animal carcasses. His explanation (accepted or not) is reasonable for the animal-depositing phenomena. Your polar hole explanation, though a FEW beasts MAY also have come up from the HE, does not support the overall phenomena. Sorry.

  • Dick

Dimitry,

Thanks for your comments. One school of hollow earth thought feels
that the extinct, large and tropical animals found along the Arctic
basin originated in the hollow portion of the Earth and that they
were frozen at some point and wandered out.

Olaf Jansen claims to have followed his father into the polar opening
above the Newe Siberian Islands in the Arctic ocean ( Do you know
anyone from the New Siberian Islands? ) He made the following
statements about animal life within which suggest that some of the
prehistoric animals still exist within the hollow portion:

I hesitate to state the size of these great creatures. They were from
twenty-five to thirty feet in width and fully seven feet in height.
When one of them projected its head it had the appearance of some
hideous sea monster. The strange conditions "within" are favorable
not only for vast meadows of luxuriant grasses, forests of giant
trees, and all manner of vegetation life, but wonderful animal life
as well. One day we saw a great herd of elephants. There must have
been five hundred of these thunder-throated monsters, with their
restlessly waving trunks. They were tearing huge boughs from the
trees and trampling smaller growth into dust like so much hazel-
brush. They would average over 100 feet in lenght and 75 to 85 in
height. It seemed, as I gazed upon this wonderful herd of giant
elephants, that I was again living in the public library at
Stockholm, where I had spent much time studying the wonders of the
Miocene age.

Dimitry-

The New Siberian Islands would be a wonderful point from which to
begin exploration of the hollow earth. Can you tell us anything about
those islands? Is travel to them permitted? What is the weather like
there?

Thanks again for the comments,

Dharma/Dean

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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Another neat-o cross post
If the solar winds don't arrive to the outer planets with any force to speak of, then how can they cause auroras? Take a look, auroras are generated from within the planets.

http://skywebsite.com/hollow/thehollowearthandauroras/id12.html

Dharma/Dean