Eden

Falling down from the skies,
Into the exposed abyss.

We have also found, as a surplus, the Garden of Eden, the
Island of Avalon, the Garden of the Hesperides, the hideout of the New
Jerusalem, as well as the Holy Land and Paradise that has been promised us all
from the dawn of time.

So do traditions such as the Grail Cycle and the myth of the Wandering
Hero in search of Paradise. Indeed, the Primordial Paradise, which was the
source from where the gods and angels brought the Gospels and the seeds of knowledge
in the dawn of times.

It is clear to any keen observer that the Egyptian hypostyle
hall represents a heavily forested underground realm with its subterranean
"heaven" (or canopy) forming the ground floor of our own world. We
shall see below that this subterranean world represents, rather literally at
that, the subterranean realm. Moreover, the lotus, palm and papyrus capitals of
such hypostyle halls are closed and budding, as they would be at night or
before they are a button ready to open.

Only in the sections usually exposed to sunlight are the
pillars, in contrast, decorated with open flowers and fronds. Among the
constellations represented in the roof of the hypostyle chamber the Celestial
Nile is represented, with the gods navigating across them in their barques.
Clearly, the chamber represents a dual of Egypt, Celestial, though extremely
beautiful and pleasurable.

Most Egyptians temples had a pair of monolithic obelisks
planted just in front of the pylons of the inner gateway, these pillars again
marked the entrance into Hades, Nut, the Sky is shown decked with stars which
represent the night sky. The gods navigate along her body. At the rear pylons —
the ones corresponding to the Gateway of Paradise — are posted the gigantic
statues of the Twin Guardians. These often change into lions, sphinxes or some
other terrifying creatures. They correspond to the Cherubins that guard the
Gates of Paradise in just about all mythologies. In Greece they are Cerberus
and Orthrus; in Babylon, the Karibus, in China the Twin Lions; in Angkor and
Indonesia, the Nagas. In India, they are the Lokapalas or Dvarapalas
("Guardians"). In reality they are the Twins we encounter everywhere
and who are indeed Atlas and Hercules in Greece or Krishna and Balarama in
Indian myths.

The shape of the pylons of the Egyptian temples roughly
recall the one of certain churches and cathedrals such as Notre Dame and Reims,
which have two blunted towers flanking the central gateway, which is far lower
than the other two side towers. Clearly, the same conception guided the hands
that built those cathedrals and the temples of Egypt. The semi-obscurity of the
hypostyle hall was intended to convey the idea of a nocturnal, gloomy realm
like Hades and Cimmeria. This darkness is further enhanced by the decoration on
the roof, which depicts the starry night sky. The same symbolism is also
encountered in tombs such as the tholoi
of Minoan Crete and the tumuli of Etruscan Rome, or even in the domes and
crypts of certain early Christian churches. If we look again at our discussion
of Fig.3, we see that this gloomy sky represents the belly of Nut, the
Celestial goddess in Egyptian tradition.

This dark abode of the dead corresponds, as we said there,
to the region of Paradise, enclosed between the four Pillars of the World. But
the Egyptian Paradise, their land ancestral, was Punt, the Land of the Gods.

And it was there, in Punt, where the Egyptians fetched their
"wood from Meru", which they indeed never obtained from Lebanon,
despite the contrary affirmations of some Egyptologists. The name of Punt (Puanit in Egyptian) is, as we saw above,
precisely the same as that of Phoenicia, the primordial Phoenicia that was both
the "Land of the Phoenix" and the "Land of the Palm-Trees"

In Egyptian, the radix per
is connected with the idea of motion and, more precisely, of crossing into
Paradise inside the naos of the
Solar Boat. It also forms the name of the aa
(or pharaoh), who is indeed the alias of Osiris as the ferrier of the Solar
Barque of Paradise. Moreover, the word also designated the pylons (or gateway)
of the Egyptian temples, which represented the similar ones of Paradise, as
depicted in certain Egyptian iconographies. In other words, the Pharaoh (per-aa) was indeed "the great one (aa) in the ship (per)"

The title of the Egyptian
Book of the Dead
— indeed called Reu
Nut Pert Em Heru
(or "Spells for [Safely] Crossing into the
Realm of Light")This mysterious book of the Egyptians is in reality a
recipe for crossing safely into Paradise (Duat or Amenti, the Egyptian Realm of
the Dead). And the trip is done in the Solar Barque, which safely crosses
through the mysterious place after passing the Gateway (or Pylon) that
corresponds to the Pillars in Egyptian myth. The soul of the deceased joins the
company of the gods under the figure of Osiris, with whom he becomes identified
after death.

image001.gifMany vignettes of the Egyptian Book of the Dead show in detail
the perils of the crossing into the Sekhet-Hetepet
(or "Fields of Peace"), the Egyptian equivalent of the Elysian
Fields, where the worthy spend their eternal life hunting, fishing and
"banqueting in cakes and beer". One such is Fig. 6, which shows the
deceased in the Solar Boat crossing into the Sequet-hetepet in the company of
two gods, Ra and the Benu bird. The deceased is pushing the boat with a pole.
Here, the deceased explicitly represents the Pharaoh in his role of Osiris as
the Barger of Paradise; as Canopus, the Pilot of the Argos Ship (the Ark). In
Fig. 7 is shown the arrival of the deceased in the Sekhet-hetepet, in the
manner of a "comic strip". In the upper strip, the deceased and his
wife are before two gods. Next, they ride the Solar Boat, crossing into the
Field of Peace. In the second strip, they get into the place, characterized by
the enormous reeds that give it its other name of Field of Reeds (Sekhet-aaru).
Next, the deceased ploughs the two sides of a field crossed by a river. The
final strip shows the Solar Boat anchored in a canal.

The region is divided in three sections by two further
canals. In one of these are the gods, crouching. The two pairs of omphaloi
represent the two pylons or gates of Paradise. The four ovals in the extreme
right correspond to four lakes; the two birds are Benus. The boat carries a
staircase with seven stairs. The seven stairs and the seven sections of the
region, wholly surrounded by canals confirms the identity with the seven
Islands of the Blest (or Elysium) of Greek traditions. The boat is the one in
which the deceased couple crossed into the paradisial place.

Said otherwise, the hieroglyph of the name of P'R-AA variously represents the Solar Boat
itself, its shrine or cabin, the Barger and the Gate of Paradise that is to be
crossed by the deceased in his role of Pharaoh, as an alias of Osiris. All
these imply an idea of "crossing", "coming forth", that is,
of "coming forth to Light", into Paradise, the Realm of Light where
the Sun indeed resides and from where he starts his daily journey. The name of P'R-AA is indeed written in hieroglyphs as
two Aat symbols connected by the Cow's Belly that represents the Sky (the womb
of Nut). The message is crystal clear and unequivocal: "the Gates of
Paradise are linked across the Skies by Pharaoh, the Celestial Barger".

In still other words, the Book
of Coming Forth (or Crossing) to Light
is the recipe for
successfully crossing into Paradise, that is no other than Meru, another name
of Punt.

The Egyptians embodied, in their eschatological rituals —
the ones sacralized in their wonderful temples and their spells of the Book of
the Dead — the very passage into Paradise, and even gave the recipe of the
wonderful news: the one that we can indeed be saved by divine grace and return
to our Lost Paradise in the company of the gods, by being identified with
Osiris and Pharaoh. Indeed a beautiful message, the same one as that of the Gospels,

The Greeks would flock to sacred sites such as Eleusis and
Delphi, often in quest of initiation into the secrets of the Mysteries. Their
traditions, and those of the Romans, tell of the long pilgrimage of the soul to
remote regions such as the Islands of the Blest, which lay in the most extreme
regions of the world.

Ancient Egyptian texts such as The Book of the Dead describe in detail the long pilgrimage
and the perils of the soul in the beyond, in its quest for the site of
Paradise. The Egyptians too placed Paradise beyond the seas and the place where
the Sun rises everyday. The Bardo Thodol,
the Tibetan Book of the Dead, also tell at length the long pilgrimage and the
perils of the soul in its pilgrimage to Paradise, its temporary abode, where it
awaits reincarnation.

The Muslims have, as one of their most sacred duties, the
obligation to emprehend a pilgrimage to Mecca, their Holy Land, at least once
in their lifetimes.

Mt. Kailasa, in the Trans-Himalayas of Tibet, is one of the
most sacred spots of the Shivaites. The Holy Mountain is identified with Mt.
Meru, the mountain of Paradise. All these are considered holy sites, connected
with the sacred Paradise. But their most holy spots are Lake Manasarowar, near
Mt. Kailasa, and Lanka in Ceylon, the sites of their two extremal Paradises.
However, all seven sacred spots correspond to the Seven Dvipas (or
Paradises),which are the archetypes of the Seven Islands of the Blest of the
Greeks and Romans, as well as the Paradises of other nations. It is from these
Seven Islands that all other sacred septenaries ultimately issue.

As we see, all nations have rituals similar to the above,
which entail a return to Paradise in a pilgrimage that simulates the wanderings
of the soul after death. Even the Occultists have similar traditions. They
quest initiation in the ancient arcanes, except that in a context of actuality
and magic, rather than in that of the beyond. Christ, Buddha, Pythagoras,
Plato, Solon, Zoroaster, Mani, Apollonius of Tyana, and most other great
initiates are said to have gone to India, in their quest for Initiation in the
arcanes of the Mysteries.

We see then that the ritual of Extreme Unction is connected
with a return to Paradise and the obtaining of the Elixir of Life either in
reality or in the netherworld. The Greek-Roman belief derives from a similar
one of the Egyptians. According to this people, the dead, on their way to
Amenti, had to cross an immense lake or river which ringed the region. The only
way to do it was the barge of Kharun, the sinister ferryman of Hell. Kharun is
the same as the Greek Charon, the barger of the Styx, the river that encircled
Hades. So, we see that the ritual of Extreme Unction is connected with
Paradisial traditions down from Neolithic times, at least.

The idea is that the dying are anointed for the same reason
that were the meriahs of the
Gonds and Konds, in preparation for a return to Paradise, where they would
enjoy abundance and peace. Kukulkan, the fiery, winged serpent of the Toltecs
and Mayas, was both a corn-god and a fish. He is all god of resurrection and
reincarnation.

Arysio Nunes dos Santos, thinks this is all allegory and relates
only to Atlantis, an Island Paradise obliterated in a cataclysm, which lies
beneath the sea. What do you think?

Hazel

Hazel,

I've read so much today that my mind has become mush :-), but I wanted
you to know that I am enjoying this website immensely! I like what he
says and connects and I agree with you...much of it can pertain to HE.
Today I looked at alchemy sites to see if there was mention of HE
(that's where I found City of the Sun) and now I want to look at not
only Egyptian and also Native American.... (grin) and more to see if
it is mentioned.

Thanks again!
MaTa

Ma Ta, There's just so much to read and not enough hours in a day...

But here's a Pawnee story of how Mother Corn led the first men up to the
earth's suface:

Before the World was we were all within Earth,
Mother Corn caused movement. She gave life.
Life being given we moved towards the surface;
We shall stand erect as men!
The being is become human! He is a person!

I'm sure you'll find many references to HE, in Native American traditions,
happy reading.

Hazel

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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:26 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Eden

Hazel,

I've read so much today that my mind has become mush :-), but I wanted
you to know that I am enjoying this website immensely! I like what he
says and connects and I agree with you...much of it can pertain to HE.
Today I looked at alchemy sites to see if there was mention of HE
(that's where I found City of the Sun) and now I want to look at not
only Egyptian and also Native American.... (grin) and more to see if
it is mentioned.

Thanks again!
MaTa

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Ma Ta, An interesting Navaho tale:

'TRIBAL MEMORIES OF THE FLYING SAUCERS'
                           BY OGA-MAKE
(The author of this story is a Navaho Indian. He tells us this
tribal secret of the Paiutes in appreciation for the story of the
Navaho which appeared in the Spring, 1948 issue of FATE
magazine).
     "Most of you who read this are probably white men of a blood
only a century of two out of Europe. You speak in your papers of
the Flying Saucers or Mystery Ships as something new, and
strangely typical of the twentieth century. How could you but
think otherwise? Yet if you had red skin, and were of a blood
which had been born and bred of the land for untold thousands of
years, you would know this is not true. You would know that your
ancestors living in these mountains and upon these prairies for
numberless generations, had seen these ships before, and had
passed down the story in the legends which are the unwritten
history of your people. You do not believe? Well, after all,
why should you? But knowing your scornful unbelief, the
storytellers of my people have closed their lips in bitterness
against the outward flow of this knowledge.
     "Yet, I have said to the storytellers this: now that the
ships are being seen again, is it wise that we, the elder race,
keep our knowledge to ourselves? Thus for me, an American
Indian, some of the sages among my people have talked, and if you
care to, I shall permit you to sit down with us and listen.
     "Let us say that it is dusk in that strange place which you,
the white-man, calls "Death Valley." I have passed tobacco...to
the aged chief of the Paiutes who sits across a tiny fire from me
and sprinkles corn meal upon the flames...
     "The old chief looked like a wrinkled mummy as he sat there
puffing upon his pipe. Yet his eyes were not those of the
unseeing, but eyes which seemed to look back on long trails of
time. His people had held the Inyo, Panamint and Death Valleys
for untold centuries before the coming of the white-man. Now we
sat in the valley which white-man named for Death, but which the
Paiute calls Tomesha--The Flaming Land. Here before me as I
faced eastward, the Funerals (mountains forming Death Valley's
eastern wall) were wrapped in purple-blue blankets about their
feet while their faces were painted in scarlet. Behind me, the
Panamints rose like a mile-high wall, dark against the sinking
sun.
    "The old Paiute smoked my tobacco for a long time before he
reverently blew the smoke to the four directions. Finally he
spoke.
     "'You ask me if we heard of the great silver airships in the
days before white-man brought his wagon trains into the land?'
     "'Yes grandfather, I come seeking knowledge.' (Among all
tribes of my people, grandfather is the term of greatest respect
which one man can pay to another.)
     "'We, the Paiute Nation, have known of these ships for
untold generations. We also believe that we know something of
the people who fly them. They are called The Hav-musuvs.'
     "'Who are the Hav-musuvs?'
     "'They are a people of the Panamints, and they are as
ancient as Tomesha itself.'
     "He smiled a little at my confusion.
     "'You do not understand? Of course not. You are not a
Paiute. Then listen closely and I will lead you back along the
trail of the dim past.
     "'When the world was young, and this valley which is now
dry, parched desert, was a lush, hidden harbor of a blue water-
sea which stretched from half way up those mountains to the Gulf
of California, it is said that the Hav-musuvs came here in huge
rowing-ships. They found great caverns in the Panamints, and in
them they built one of their cities. At that time California was
the island which the Indians of that state told the Spanish it
was, and which they marked so on their maps.
     "'Living in their hidden city, the Hav-musuvs ruled the sea
with their fast rowing-ships, trading with far-away peoples and
bringing strange goods to the great quays said still to exist in
the caverns.
     "'Then as untold centuries rolled past, the climate began to
change. The water in the lake went down until there was no
longer a way to the sea. First the way was broken only by the
southern mountains, over the tops of which goods could be
carried. But as time went by, the water continued to shrink,
until the day came when only a dry crust was all that remained of
the great blue lake. Then the desert came, and the Fire-God
began to walk across Tomesha, The Flaming-Land.
     "'When the Hav-musuvs could no longer use their great
rowing-ships, they began to think of other means to reach the
world beyond. I suppose that is how it happened. We know that
they began to use flying canoes. At first they were not large,
these silvery ships with wings. They moved with a slight
whirring sound, and a dipping movement, like an eagle.
     "'The passing centuries brought other changes. Tribe after
tribe swept across the land, fighting to possess it for awhile
and passing like the storm of sand. In their mountain city still
in the caverns, the Hav-musuvs dwelt in peace, far removed from
the conflict. Sometimes they were seen in the distance, in their
flying ships or riding on the snowy-white animals which took them
from ledge to ledge up the cliff. We have never seen these
strange animals at any other place. To these people the passing
centuries brought only larger and larger ships, moving always
more silently.'
     "'Have you ever seen a Hav-musuv?'
     "'No, but we have many stories of them. There are reasons
why one does not become too curious.'
     "'Reasons?'
     "'Yes. These strange people have weapons. One is a small
tube which stuns one with a prickly feeling like a rain of cactus
needles. One cannot move for hours, and during this time the
mysterious ones vanish up the cliffs. The other weapon is
deadly. It is a long, silvery tube. When this is pointed at
you, death follows immediately.'
     "'But tell me about these people. What do they look like
and how do they dress?'
     "'They are a beautiful people. Their skin is a golden tint,
and a head band holds back their long dark hair. They dress
always in a white fine-spun garment which wraps around them and
is draped upon one shoulder. Pale sandals are worn upon their
feet...'
     "His voice trailed away in a puff of smoke. The purple
shadows rising up the walls of the Funerals splashed like the
waves of the ghost lake. The old man seemed to have fallen into
a sort of trance, but I had one more question.
     "'Has any Paiute ever spoken to a Hav-musuv, or were the
Paiutes here when the great rowing-ships first appeared?'
     "For some moments I wondered if he had heard me. Yet as is
our custom, I waited patiently for the answer. Again he went
through the ritual of the smoke-breathing to the four directions,
and then his soft voice continued:
     "'Yes. Once in the not-so-distant-past, but yet many
generations before the coming of the Spanish, a Paiute chief lost
his bride by sudden death. In his great and overwhelming grief,
he thought of the Hav-musuvs and their long tube-of-death. He
wished to join her, so he bid farewell to his sorrowing people
and set off to find the Hav-musuvs. None appeared until the
chief began to climb the almost unscaleable Panamints. Then one
of the men in white appeared suddenly before him with the long
tube, and motioned him back. The chief made signs that he wished
to die, and came on. The man in white made a long singing
whistle and other Hav-musuvs appeared. They spoke together in a
strange tongue and then regarded the chief thoughtfully. Finally
they made signs to him making him understand that they would take
him with them.
     "'Many weeks after his people had mourned him for dead, the
Paiute chief came back to his camp. He had been in the giant
underground valley of the Hav-musuvs, he said, where white lights
which burn night and day and never go out, or need any fuel, lit
an ancient city of marble beauty. There he learned the language
and the history of the mysterious people, giving them in turn the
language and legends of the Paiutes. He said that he would have
liked to remain there forever in the peace and beauty of their
life, but they bade him return and use his new knowledge for his
people.'
     "I could not help but ask the inevitable.
     "'Do you believe this story of the chief?'
     "His eyes studied the wisps of smoke for some minutes before
he answered.
     "'I do not know. When a man is lost in Tomesha, and the
Fire-God is walking across the salt crust, strange dreams like
clouds, fog through his mind. No man can breathe the hot breath
of the Fire-God and long remain sane. Of course, the Paiutes
have thought of this. No people knows the moods of Tomesha
better than they.
     "'You asked me to tell you the legend of the flying ships.
I have told you what the young men of the tribe do not know, for
they no longer listen to the stories of the past. Now you ask me
if I believe. I answer this. Turn around. Look behind you at
that wall of the Panamints. How many giant caverns could open
there, being hidden by the lights and shadows of the rocks? How
many could open outward or inward and never be seen behind the
arrow-like pinnacles before them? How many ships could swoop
down like an eagle from the beyond, on summer nights when the
fires of the furnace-sands have closed away the valley from the
eyes of the white-man? How many Hav-musuvs could live in their
eternal peace away from the noise of white-man's guns in their
unscaleable stronghold? This has always been a land of mystery.
Nothing can change that. Not even white-man with his flying
engines, for should they come too close to the wall of the
Panamints a sharp wind like the flying arrow can sheer off a
wing. Tomesha hides its secrets well even in winter, but no man
can pry into them when the Fire-God draws the hot veil of his
breath across the passes.
     "'I must still answer your question with my mind in doubt,
for we speak of a weird land. White-man does not yet know it as
well as the Paiutes, and we have ever held it in awe. It is
still the forbidden 'Tomesha--Land-Of-The-Flaming-Earth.'"

Hazel

···

I've read so much today that my mind has become mush :-), but I wanted
you to know that I am enjoying this website immensely! I like what he
says and connects and I agree with you...much of it can pertain to HE.
Today I looked at alchemy sites to see if there was mention of HE
(that's where I found City of the Sun) and now I want to look at not
only Egyptian and also Native American.... (grin) and more to see if
it is mentioned.

Thanks again!
MaTa

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List Members,

Below is some info on gravity from " Clouds Don't Fall " :
http://skywebsite.com/hollow/hollowearthscience/id6.html
The comment about negative charges being repelled by a gravitational field
are at the crux of it all; this suggests that gravity is a radiation of
negatively charged particles. Therefore, when other negatively charged
particles are exposed to it, those particles experience repulsion, just as
the same pole of two different magnets repulse each other.

Gravity as a radiation opens the door to the hollow planets theory. The
concept of gravity related to the density of mass closes the door on the
HET, because such gravity would tend to collapse the walls of a hollow orb,
and wouldn't allow for the existence of cavern worlds- they would collapse,
too.

So the nature of gravity is something that definitely interests us as hollow
Earthers.

Dharma/Dean

" The nature of gravity, as we are led to understand it, is certainly one of
these incongruent areas. By exposing the shortcomings of the Newtonian
concept of gravity as a force exerted in relation to mass, we lay the
groundwork for confirmation of the subtle sciences which we see depicted in
the Puranic literature, such as the levitation of yogis and the flight
characteristics of some of the crafts described in that literature, such as
vimanas.

A good example for our examination are clouds. Gravity seems to discriminate
in the case of clouds because clouds dont fall. Keep in mind that clouds are
not exactly gaseous. They consist of water droplets many times denser than
the atmosphere which surrounds them.

A person could argue that clouds are maintained aloft by the viscosity of
air or air resistence, but these could only diminish the rate of fall; there
is nothing in the atmosphere which should maintain clouds afloat. Clouds
defy the law of floating bodies.

Is the behavior of clouds hard to understand? Maybe not. On page 144 of The
Awesome Life Force by Joseph H. Cater, Mr. Cater successffully argues in
favor of the hyposthesis that gravity effects are principally caused by a
electromagnetic radiation and that clouds float due to repulsion in relation
to the gravity-inducing radiation of the Earth's crust. Mr. Cater:

It has been stated that a gravitational field repels negative charges. This
has been shown to be the case. The RCA laboratories in Princeton, New
Jersey, allegedly demonstrated this in 1959. They supposedly discovered that
negative charges tend to fall upward instead of downward, as had been
expected. It is readily apparent why nothing more has been heard about it.
Some of Reichenbach's experiments ... also indicate that such is the case.
This effect was predicted on purely theoretical grounds by the author prior
to the knowledge of these confirmations. A well-known phenomenon also
demonstrates the fact that negative charges are repelled by a gravitational
field. When the hair on one's head is given a strong negative charge it will
have a tendency to stand straight up. This becomes especially prounced if
one stands near a powerful Van de Graf generator when it is throwing out
high concentrations of electrons. Many of the electrons become attached to
the hair and tend to carry the hair with them as they are repelled upward.
Static electricity, the kind which a household fabric softener sheet can
remove, is an example of an negative gravity charge."

Members,

I would like to remind you all that we do have a list summary which comes
out each day and which puts all the postings in one, big e-mail. It also has
titles at the beginning so that you can quickly skim through it without
havingto physically scroll down through each e-mail in order to see if you
like it or not.

Also, do put appropriate titles in the title area.

Sometimes we talk about scientific things and other things which don't seem
to be directly related to the HET, but they usually relate back to the
hollow Earth theory in somne way or the other. For example, we talk about
astronomy and orthodox vs. alternative models of planets and such, but it is
so that we can understand the fallacy of certain info that we are fed and so
that we can break the mold, so to speak, of false, orthodox understandings.
Otherwise, we do want to stay on topic, don't we kiddies?

# ; ^ )

Dharma/Dean

Thank you again Hazel!

I really like these. Yes, not enough time in the day.

I met a man a couple of years ago that has dedicated his life to
finding and talking to the elders of all indigenous people on all the
continents. He and his wife sold everything and do nothing but travel
to talk with the elders. Oh how I wish I could talk to him now!
Although he might not be willing or able to tell about such things,
who knows! He had some interesting tales to tell...he told me that he
really never knew where he was going, while meeting with one elder, a
messenger would come to take him to meet with another. Many times he
may sit in ceremony for maybe 2 days with an elder before they would
begin to talk. It was quite a pleasure to talk to this most humble
man. There is a website: http://www.worldcouncilofelders.com/ that
explains his purpose. Hopefully it will be updated soon.

MaTa

People,

I can't read attached text because I don't have Notepad.

DD

Ma Ta, What a wonderful life's pursuit, gleaning wisdom from the elders of
ancient tribes, I'm sure they have waited a long time to find someone worthy
to tell their secrets too. They learned quickly not to trust colonists! I
will check out the URL. It's enough to make you want to grab a machete and
don your khaki suit, and head for the Amazon! Hazel

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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:15 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Eden

Thank you again Hazel!

I really like these. Yes, not enough time in the day.

I met a man a couple of years ago that has dedicated his life to
finding and talking to the elders of all indigenous people on all the
continents. He and his wife sold everything and do nothing but travel
to talk with the elders. Oh how I wish I could talk to him now!
Although he might not be willing or able to tell about such things,
who knows! He had some interesting tales to tell...he told me that he
really never knew where he was going, while meeting with one elder, a
messenger would come to take him to meet with another. Many times he
may sit in ceremony for maybe 2 days with an elder before they would
begin to talk. It was quite a pleasure to talk to this most humble
man. There is a website: http://www.worldcouncilofelders.com/ that
explains his purpose. Hopefully it will be updated soon.

MaTa

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It's enough to make you want to grab a
machete and

don your khaki suit, and head for the Amazon! Hazel

Hazel,

We must not forget our pith (sp) helmets!! I just had to because it's
a funny word! pithe? pyth?

Silly MaTa

Are you taking the pyth, Ma Ta? I want to follow Colonel Fawcett's trail in
the Matto Grosso, he found an entrance to the hollow earth, and stayed. Can
you blame him? No-one would have believed him anyway. They would have locked
him up! Hazel

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----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:07 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Eden

It's enough to make you want to grab a
machete and
> don your khaki suit, and head for the Amazon! Hazel

Hazel,

We must not forget our pith (sp) helmets!! I just had to because it's
a funny word! pithe? pyth?

Silly MaTa

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Although he might not be willing or able to tell about such things,
who knows! He had some interesting tales to tell...he told me that

he

really never knew where he was going, while meeting with one elder,

a

messenger would come to take him to meet with another. Many times

he

may sit in ceremony for maybe 2 days with an elder before they

would

begin to talk. It was quite a pleasure to talk to this most humble
man. There is a website: http://www.worldcouncilofelders.com/ that
explains his purpose. Hopefully it will be updated soon.

MaTa

MaTa,

The Hopi have a tradition in regards to the underground, cavern
worlds. I imagine that they could offer someinteresting info, but
would they?

Dharma/Dean

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Hazel" <lunaticfringe@b...> wrote:

Are you taking the pyth, Ma Ta? I want to follow Colonel Fawcett's

trail in

the Matto Grosso, he found an entrance to the hollow earth, and

stayed. Can

you blame him? No-one would have believed him anyway. They would

have locked

him up! Hazel

Hazel,

Colonel Fawcett really did go to Matto Grosso in Brazil, but that
doesn't mean that he was given easy access to the caves. There are
indians in the Serra Roncador who gueard the entrancesand it is not
safe to go wandering out there.

I saw a film clip once of a logger who approached an Indian in the
jungle area, not quite Matto Grosso; the indian pulled a hammer-like
weapon on the fellow and bashed his head in, just like that. No fore-
warning at all, really.

The Mayans and Aztecs were supposed to have disappeared underground.
I believe that they did, there are reasons to believe so. But they
were tribes that practiced human sacrifice and such.

In fact, I imagine that they were just surface representatives fora
larger, underground culture in luminous cavern worlds, along the
lines of Etidorhpa. Maybe their task was agricultural production in
favor of the cavern worlds.

Anyway, let's say that they still exist in underground cavern worlds.
If you were granted access, what would become of you? Would you end
up being some kind of human sacrifice?

Dharma/Dean

Dean, Colonel Fawcett travelled in the Amazon in his capacity as an
explorer, long before loggers began to wreak havock on their environment,
the rumour goes that he met a 'non-indigenous' people with fair skin,
possibly red hair, who led him to a cave entrance. Hollow earth-dwellers
permit entry to whom they see fit. Geraldine Cummins claimed to be in
telepathic communication with him and said, he had discovered Atlantis and
wished a team of archaeologists could come, to see the cities he had
discovered. However, there's every possibility he was clubbed by nasty
cavern-dwelling entities. The Maya, I don't believe were originally a
culture of blood sacrifice, they had much wisdom and many civilized customs,
maybe ancient rituals were corrupted to become so by the Aztecs. Hazel

···

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:36 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Expedition

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Hazel" <lunaticfringe@b...> wrote:
> Are you taking the pyth, Ma Ta? I want to follow Colonel Fawcett's
trail in
> the Matto Grosso, he found an entrance to the hollow earth, and
stayed. Can
> you blame him? No-one would have believed him anyway. They would
have locked
> him up! Hazel

Hazel,

Colonel Fawcett really did go to Matto Grosso in Brazil, but that
doesn't mean that he was given easy access to the caves. There are
indians in the Serra Roncador who gueard the entrancesand it is not
safe to go wandering out there.

I saw a film clip once of a logger who approached an Indian in the
jungle area, not quite Matto Grosso; the indian pulled a hammer-like
weapon on the fellow and bashed his head in, just like that. No fore-
warning at all, really.

The Mayans and Aztecs were supposed to have disappeared underground.
I believe that they did, there are reasons to believe so. But they
were tribes that practiced human sacrifice and such.

In fact, I imagine that they were just surface representatives fora
larger, underground culture in luminous cavern worlds, along the
lines of Etidorhpa. Maybe their task was agricultural production in
favor of the cavern worlds.

Anyway, let's say that they still exist in underground cavern worlds.
If you were granted access, what would become of you? Would you end
up being some kind of human sacrifice?

Dharma/Dean

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Dean, Colonel Fawcett travelled in the Amazon in his capacity as an
explorer, long before loggers began to wreak havock on their environment,
the rumour goes that he met a 'non-indigenous' people with fair skin,
possibly red hair, who led him to a cave entrance. Hollow earth-dwellers
permit entry to whom they see fit. Geraldine Cummins claimed to be in
telepathic communication with him and said, he had discovered Atlantis and
wished a team of archaeologists could come, to see the cities he had
discovered.

Hazel,

Yeah, but this is the part that we can't substantiate, that a psychic said
he discovered Atlantis. Plato said that Atlantis was situated, rather, had
been situated beyond the Straits of Gibralter. How that translates to the
cavern worlds below South America is beyond me.

However, there's every possibility he was clubbed by nasty

cavern-dwelling entities.

Yes, or indians in the vicintiy. I just mentioned the film clip of the
loggers and the indians as an example of what can happen.

The Maya, I don't believe were originally a

culture of blood sacrifice, they had much wisdom and many civilized

customs,

maybe ancient rituals were corrupted to become so by the Aztecs.

I don't really know that much about theMayas.

DD

···

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Expedition

Taking the pyth? Oh Hazel... after my experience with this computer
last night I would have made my own trail! I couldn't breathe without
it shutting me down let alone open up new links such as Lesley's
Sphinx pictures! We ended up reinstalling Windows and YAY it worked! I
say it's better to laugh than cry in such situtations and the sillies
got the best of me :-). And (grin) no.. I couldn't ever blame the
Colonel. Now off to find those Sphinx links. (I'll be good) :wink:
MaTa
--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Hazel" <lunaticfringe@b...> wrote:

Are you taking the pyth, Ma Ta? I want to follow Colonel Fawcett's

trail in

the Matto Grosso, he found an entrance to the hollow earth, and

stayed. Can

you blame him? No-one would have believed him anyway. They would

have locked

···

him up! Hazel

Yes, I would love to talk with those who know about this. I think it's
possible, but it must be shown (I believe) to the keepers of this type
of knowledge that what they have guarded will not be harmed in any
way. One's intent must be very pure.

MaTa

···

The Hopi have a tradition in regards to the underground, cavern
worlds. I imagine that they could offer someinteresting info, but
would they?

Dharma/Dean

Dean, I'm not about to argue over hypothetical points, but an advanced
civilization, good or evil, would have had the technology to make cavern
worlds habitable, or hollow out entire mountains, whether that translates as
Telos type realms, or terror filled bases, who knows? A bit of both
probably. Hazel.

···

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:28 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Col. Fawcett?

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Expedition

> Dean, Colonel Fawcett travelled in the Amazon in his capacity as an
> explorer, long before loggers began to wreak havock on their

environment,

> the rumour goes that he met a 'non-indigenous' people with fair skin,
> possibly red hair, who led him to a cave entrance. Hollow earth-dwellers
> permit entry to whom they see fit. Geraldine Cummins claimed to be in
> telepathic communication with him and said, he had discovered Atlantis

and

> wished a team of archaeologists could come, to see the cities he had
> discovered.

Hazel,

Yeah, but this is the part that we can't substantiate, that a psychic said
he discovered Atlantis. Plato said that Atlantis was situated, rather, had
been situated beyond the Straits of Gibralter. How that translates to the
cavern worlds below South America is beyond me.

However, there's every possibility he was clubbed by nasty
> cavern-dwelling entities.

Yes, or indians in the vicintiy. I just mentioned the film clip of the
loggers and the indians as an example of what can happen.

The Maya, I don't believe were originally a
> culture of blood sacrifice, they had much wisdom and many civilized
customs,
> maybe ancient rituals were corrupted to become so by the Aztecs.

I don't really know that much about theMayas.

DD

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