BEST arctic explorer map yet
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Gary,
This map shows to me that they approached the Pole from Ellesmere, from Spitsbergen/Svalbard, and from the eastern part of Greenland, i.e., the Nobile line.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Arctic%20Exploration%201964.htm
I think that the opening must lie in the area between the Ellesmere and Nobile line.
Of course, the distances can be stretched out because of the inward curvature.
Dean
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From: Gary Fleck
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:50 AM
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] BEST arctic explorer map yet
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Yep, I couldn't believe I found this map. It is nice to be able to see each explorers route. Gary
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Gary,
This map shows to me that they approached the Pole from Ellesmere, from Spitsbergen/Svalbard, and from the eastern part of Greenland, i.e., the Nobile line.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Arctic%20Exploration%201964.htm
I think that the opening must lie in the area between the Ellesmere and Nobile line.
Of course, the distances can be stretched out because of the inward curvature.
Dean
From: Gary Fleck
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:50 AM
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] BEST arctic explorer map yetBEST arctic explorer map yet
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Gary,
To arrive at the opening, one could go to the North Pole, then head further on towards a point between The New Siberian Islands and Severnaya Zemlya. Not that the opening is over there, but in that direction form the Pole. Where Nansen had his experiences with extreme polar warming at the point "Farthest North" that he reached was following the longitude from the end of Severnaya Zemlya due North; it looks like 125 longitude. It is better to think in terms of Severnaya Zemlya than the New Siberian Islands, the New Siberian were only where he started his upwards journey from.
If we can reach the so-called Pole from Ellesmere, Greenland and Svalbard/Spitzbergen; then this means that we are not on the Siberian side of the opening, and that the opening is between us and the other side ... further north and across towards those Russian Islands.
If you travel at night, if you avoid any kind of instrument, if you trust no one, if the pilot obeys you, if you don't get intercepted and if the slies are clear, then you have a good chance to find it. Why? Because you will be able to personally see the stars and constellations, and look for the aurora in the Arctic night. According to the Arctic explorers of yesteryear, there is always at least a dim aurora, like a burner on low flame.
Dean
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From: Gary
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: BEST arctic explorer map yet
Yep, I couldn't believe I found this map. It is nice to be able to see each explorers route. Gary
--- In [email protected], "silopanna" <silopanna@...> wrote:
Gary,
This map shows to me that they approached the Pole from Ellesmere, from Spitsbergen/Svalbard, and from the eastern part of Greenland, i.e., the Nobile line.
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Arctic%20Exploration%201964.htm
I think that the opening must lie in the area between the Ellesmere and Nobile line.
Of course, the distances can be stretched out because of the inward curvature.
Dean
From: Gary Fleck
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] BEST arctic explorer map yetBEST arctic explorer map yet
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I agree Dean, I would love to be able to make that journey! Gary
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--- In [email protected], "silopanna" <silopanna@...> wrote:
Gary,
To arrive at the opening, one could go to the North Pole, then head further on towards a point between The New Siberian Islands and Severnaya Zemlya. Not that the opening is over there, but in that direction form the Pole. Where Nansen had his experiences with extreme polar warming at the point "Farthest North" that he reached was following the longitude from the end of Severnaya Zemlya due North; it looks like 125 longitude. It is better to think in terms of Severnaya Zemlya than the New Siberian Islands, the New Siberian were only where he started his upwards journey from.
If we can reach the so-called Pole from Ellesmere, Greenland and Svalbard/Spitzbergen; then this means that we are not on the Siberian side of the opening, and that the opening is between us and the other side ... further north and across towards those Russian Islands.
If you travel at night, if you avoid any kind of instrument, if you trust no one, if the pilot obeys you, if you don't get intercepted and if the slies are clear, then you have a good chance to find it. Why? Because you will be able to personally see the stars and constellations, and look for the aurora in the Arctic night. According to the Arctic explorers of yesteryear, there is always at least a dim aurora, like a burner on low flame.
Dean
From: Gary
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: BEST arctic explorer map yetYep, I couldn't believe I found this map. It is nice to be able to see each explorers route. Gary
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> This map shows to me that they approached the Pole from Ellesmere, from Spitsbergen/Svalbard, and from the eastern part of Greenland, i.e., the Nobile line.
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> http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Arctic%20Exploration%201964.htm
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> I think that the opening must lie in the area between the Ellesmere and Nobile line.
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> Of course, the distances can be stretched out because of the inward curvature.
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Gary,
Any 747 should be able to make it with fuel left over.
Dean
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From: Gary
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 5:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: BEST arctic explorer map yet
I agree Dean, I would love to be able to make that journey! Gary
--- In [email protected], "silopanna" <silopanna@...> wrote:
Gary,
To arrive at the opening, one could go to the North Pole, then head further on towards a point between The New Siberian Islands and Severnaya Zemlya. Not that the opening is over there, but in that direction form the Pole. Where Nansen had his experiences with extreme polar warming at the point "Farthest North" that he reached was following the longitude from the end of Severnaya Zemlya due North; it looks like 125 longitude. It is better to think in terms of Severnaya Zemlya than the New Siberian Islands, the New Siberian were only where he started his upwards journey from.
If we can reach the so-called Pole from Ellesmere, Greenland and Svalbard/Spitzbergen; then this means that we are not on the Siberian side of the opening, and that the opening is between us and the other side ... further north and across towards those Russian Islands.
If you travel at night, if you avoid any kind of instrument, if you trust no one, if the pilot obeys you, if you don't get intercepted and if the slies are clear, then you have a good chance to find it. Why? Because you will be able to personally see the stars and constellations, and look for the aurora in the Arctic night. According to the Arctic explorers of yesteryear, there is always at least a dim aurora, like a burner on low flame.
Dean
From: Gary
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: BEST arctic explorer map yetYep, I couldn't believe I found this map. It is nice to be able to see each explorers route. Gary
--- In [email protected], "silopanna" <silopanna@> wrote:
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> Gary,
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> This map shows to me that they approached the Pole from Ellesmere, from Spitsbergen/Svalbard, and from the eastern part of Greenland, i.e., the Nobile line.
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> http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Arctic%20Exploration%201964.htm
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> I think that the opening must lie in the area between the Ellesmere and Nobile line.
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> Of course, the distances can be stretched out because of the inward curvature.
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> Dean
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> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:50 AM
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> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] BEST arctic explorer map yet
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Count me in.. unfortunately, none us who would do it, can afford to do it! But, it could be done, if not stopped by the powers that be. Gary
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--- In [email protected], "silopanna" <silopanna@...> wrote:
Gary,
Any 747 should be able to make it with fuel left over.
Dean
From: Gary
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 5:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: BEST arctic explorer map yetI agree Dean, I would love to be able to make that journey! Gary
--- In [email protected], "silopanna" <silopanna@> wrote:
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> Gary,
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> To arrive at the opening, one could go to the North Pole, then head further on towards a point between The New Siberian Islands and Severnaya Zemlya. Not that the opening is over there, but in that direction form the Pole. Where Nansen had his experiences with extreme polar warming at the point "Farthest North" that he reached was following the longitude from the end of Severnaya Zemlya due North; it looks like 125 longitude. It is better to think in terms of Severnaya Zemlya than the New Siberian Islands, the New Siberian were only where he started his upwards journey from.
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> If we can reach the so-called Pole from Ellesmere, Greenland and Svalbard/Spitzbergen; then this means that we are not on the Siberian side of the opening, and that the opening is between us and the other side ... further north and across towards those Russian Islands.
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> If you travel at night, if you avoid any kind of instrument, if you trust no one, if the pilot obeys you, if you don't get intercepted and if the slies are clear, then you have a good chance to find it. Why? Because you will be able to personally see the stars and constellations, and look for the aurora in the Arctic night. According to the Arctic explorers of yesteryear, there is always at least a dim aurora, like a burner on low flame.
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> Dean
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> From: Gary
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:38 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: BEST arctic explorer map yet
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> Yep, I couldn't believe I found this map. It is nice to be able to see each explorers route. Gary
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> --- In [email protected], "silopanna" <silopanna@> wrote:
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> > This map shows to me that they approached the Pole from Ellesmere, from Spitsbergen/Svalbard, and from the eastern part of Greenland, i.e., the Nobile line.
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> > http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/maps/Map%20of%20Arctic%20Exploration%201964.htm
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> > I think that the opening must lie in the area between the Ellesmere and Nobile line.
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