List Members,
I just saw a nice James Stewart movie, "The Man from Laramie." And no, I am not off topic. When you do it, you are off topic. When I do it, then it's executive prerogative.
I AM JUST KIDDING! You all know by now that I'm not like that.
The Apache part of the movie got me to thinking.
By the way, fill yourselves in on the cavern worlds of the Apache, and how they were blown in and made to collapse. Now that would make an Apache movie, better than Laramie.
http://www.holloworbs.com/Apache_Underground.htm
Back to my thinking, which is something I only do occasionally. What I thought, and questioned myself, was this: if there was an Apache tribe, there still must be, right? So where are they? In the USA? In Mexico? Or in both? You would think that, if as recently as the indian wars of the last century the Apaches were still going in and out of their cavern worlds, coming up only to try to fight a rear-guard action and stall pioneer progress and the U.S. Army, then the ones that were left topside must still know what is going on; or they must still have some contact with some element of underground cavern worlds.
The Apache are different from other tribes. Other tribes had already been cut off and stranded topside by the time the colonists came, and didn't seem to have any contact with their original worlds below. The Apache were still running up and down through the caves, and they sure fought like they had a purpose.
Who knows anything about the Apaches?
Maybe we'll send Lonnie Clark out to scout around and find some Apaches. She's already a Sweetheart of the West, she lives in Utah.
#;^ )
Dean
Hmmm, I think that I only know Paiutes, Utes, and Navajos. The Apaches
are east and south of me, aren't they? This might take some doing,
Dean! Lonni
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On 4/23/2011 10:59 PM, Dean D wrote:
List Members,
I just saw a nice James Stewart movie, "The Man from Laramie." And no,
I am not off topic. When you do it, you are off topic. When I do it,
then it's executive prerogative.
I AM JUST KIDDING! You all know by now that I'm not like that.
The Apache part of the movie got me to thinking.
By the way, fill yourselves in on the cavern worlds of the Apache, and
how they were blown in and made to collapse. Now that would make an
Apache movie, better than Laramie.
Apache_Underground
Back to my thinking, which is something I only do occasionally. What I
thought, and questioned myself, was this: if there was an Apache
tribe, there still must be, right? So where are they? In the USA? In
Mexico? Or in both? You would think that, if as recently as the indian
wars of the last century the Apaches were still going in and out of
their cavern worlds, coming up only to try to fight a rear-guard
action and stall pioneer progress and the U.S. Army, then the ones
that were left topside must still know what is going on; or they must
still have some contact with some element of underground cavern worlds.
The Apache are different from other tribes. Other tribes had already
been cut off and stranded topside by the time the colonists came, and
didn't seem to have any contact with their original worlds below. The
Apache were still running up and down through the caves, and they sure
fought like they had a purpose.
Who knows anything about the Apaches?
Maybe we'll send Lonnie Clark out to scout around and find some
Apaches. She's already a Sweetheart of the West, she lives in Utah.
#;^ )
Dean
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There are plenty of Apaches in Arizona and New Mexico. My mother spent 10
years living on the San Carlos Reservation outside Globe, which has mostly
Chiricahuas and there are Mescalero, White Mountain and Coyotero Apaches
living in New Mexico on a very prosperous reservation.
Sibyl
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List Members,
I just saw a nice James Stewart movie, "The Man from Laramie." And no, I
am not off topic. When you do it, you are off topic. When I do it, then
it's executive prerogative.
I AM JUST KIDDING! You all know by now that I'm not like that.
The Apache part of the movie got me to thinking.
By the way, fill yourselves in on the cavern worlds of the Apache, and how
they were blown in and made to collapse. Now that would make an Apache
movie, better than Laramie.
Apache_Underground
Back to my thinking, which is something I only do occasionally. What I
thought, and questioned myself, was this: if there was an Apache tribe,
there still must be, right? So where are they? In the USA? In Mexico? Or
in both? You would think that, if as recently as the indian wars of the
last century the Apaches were still going in and out of their cavern
worlds, coming up only to try to fight a rear-guard action and stall
pioneer progress and the U.S. Army, then the ones that were left topside
must still know what is going on; or they must still have some contact
with some element of underground cavern worlds.
The Apache are different from other tribes. Other tribes had already been
cut off and stranded topside by the time the colonists came, and didn't
seem to have any contact with their original worlds below. The Apache were
still running up and down through the caves, and they sure fought like
they had a purpose.
Who knows anything about the Apaches?
Maybe we'll send Lonnie Clark out to scout around and find some Apaches.
She's already a Sweetheart of the West, she lives in Utah.
#;^ )
Dean
Sibyl,
My goodness, it has been so long since I've heard from you. It is nice to see that you are still around.
If there are so many indians on reservations not far from tunnel systems, some of them have to know about the tunnels and about the cavern worlds below; tribal elders and such.
There ought to be a way to get into contact and at least get some good advice or a hint of what is going on. I mean, there seems to be underground manipulation of the surface world, and power blocks with underground connections. A lot of this has been outlined in Mike Mott's book, Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures. But we really don't have any notion of who is behind what, we know so little that we can hardly even speculate.
Maybe one of those indians would give a paternal pat on the back and impart at least some vague notions of what is going on in the world, and why.
We don't know of any other person or group of people that might have any information or contact with worlds below and, in some cases, their reservations seem to be sitting right on top of things.
Unfortunately, I don't think we have any well-versed list members nearby any reservations.
Dean
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-- On Sun, 4/24/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Apache? Apache!
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 7:03 PM
There are plenty of Apaches in Arizona and New Mexico. My mother spent 10
years living on the San Carlos Reservation outside Globe, which has mostly
Chiricahuas and there are Mescalero, White Mountain and Coyotero Apaches
living in New Mexico on a very prosperous reservation.
Sibyl
List Members,
I just saw a nice James Stewart movie, "The Man from Laramie." And no, I
am not off topic. When you do it, you are off topic. When I do it, then
it's executive prerogative.
I AM JUST KIDDING! You all know by now that I'm not like that.
The Apache part of the movie got me to thinking.
By the way, fill yourselves in on the cavern worlds of the Apache, and how
they were blown in and made to collapse. Now that would make an Apache
movie, better than Laramie.
Apache_Underground
Back to my thinking, which is something I only do occasionally. What I
thought, and questioned myself, was this: if there was an Apache tribe,
there still must be, right? So where are they? In the USA? In Mexico? Or
in both? You would think that, if as recently as the indian wars of the
last century the Apaches were still going in and out of their cavern
worlds, coming up only to try to fight a rear-guard action and stall
pioneer progress and the U.S. Army, then the ones that were left topside
must still know what is going on; or they must still have some contact
with some element of underground cavern worlds.
The Apache are different from other tribes. Other tribes had already been
cut off and stranded topside by the time the colonists came, and didn't
seem to have any contact with their original worlds below. The Apache were
still running up and down through the caves, and they sure fought like
they had a purpose.
Who knows anything about the Apaches?
Maybe we'll send Lonnie Clark out to scout around and find some Apaches.
She's already a Sweetheart of the West, she lives in Utah.
#;^ )
Dean
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Hi Dean,
I no longer have any contact with the Apaches, but they aren't the only tribes with such knowledge. The tribes around Mt. Shasta and Lassen are well aware of the entrances into the mountains and the Utes and Paiutes of Nevada are (or were) also aware of tunnels and caves under the desert floor. There is an extensive lava tube labyrinth extending from Mt. Shasta out into the high plains desert and into the surrounding wilderness. Pluto Caves is the terminus of one of them about 7 miles from me and gets hotter the further in you go. A Navaho friend of ours has heard the legendary bell tolling in the remote forests on the north side of the mountain, as have a few others I have heard of. I have read that these lava tube tunnels extend as far south as San Francisco, but I don't know if that is true.
And yes, I am still here, but everyone else seems to know more than me, so I keep quiet and try to learn from the other list members.
Sibyl
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dean De Lucia
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Apache? Apache!
Sibyl,
My goodness, it has been so long since I've heard from you. It is nice to see that you are still around.
If there are so many indians on reservations not far from tunnel systems, some of them have to know about the tunnels and about the cavern worlds below; tribal elders and such.
There ought to be a way to get into contact and at least get some good advice or a hint of what is going on. I mean, there seems to be underground manipulation of the surface world, and power blocks with underground connections. A lot of this has been outlined in Mike Mott's book, Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures. But we really don't have any notion of who is behind what, we know so little that we can hardly even speculate.
Maybe one of those indians would give a paternal pat on the back and impart at least some vague notions of what is going on in the world, and why.
We don't know of any other person or group of people that might have any information or contact with worlds below and, in some cases, their reservations seem to be sitting right on top of things.
Unfortunately, I don't think we have any well-versed list members nearby any reservations.
Dean
-- On Sun, 4/24/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Apache? Apache!
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 7:03 PM
There are plenty of Apaches in Arizona and New Mexico. My mother spent 10
years living on the San Carlos Reservation outside Globe, which has mostly
Chiricahuas and there are Mescalero, White Mountain and Coyotero Apaches
living in New Mexico on a very prosperous reservation.
Sibyl
> List Members,
>
> I just saw a nice James Stewart movie, "The Man from Laramie." And no, I
> am not off topic. When you do it, you are off topic. When I do it, then
> it's executive prerogative.
>
> I AM JUST KIDDING! You all know by now that I'm not like that.
>
> The Apache part of the movie got me to thinking.
>
> By the way, fill yourselves in on the cavern worlds of the Apache, and how
> they were blown in and made to collapse. Now that would make an Apache
> movie, better than Laramie.
>
> http://www.holloworbs.com/Apache_Underground.htm
>
> Back to my thinking, which is something I only do occasionally. What I
> thought, and questioned myself, was this: if there was an Apache tribe,
> there still must be, right? So where are they? In the USA? In Mexico? Or
> in both? You would think that, if as recently as the indian wars of the
> last century the Apaches were still going in and out of their cavern
> worlds, coming up only to try to fight a rear-guard action and stall
> pioneer progress and the U.S. Army, then the ones that were left topside
> must still know what is going on; or they must still have some contact
> with some element of underground cavern worlds.
>
> The Apache are different from other tribes. Other tribes had already been
> cut off and stranded topside by the time the colonists came, and didn't
> seem to have any contact with their original worlds below. The Apache were
> still running up and down through the caves, and they sure fought like
> they had a purpose.
>
> Who knows anything about the Apaches?
>
> Maybe we'll send Lonnie Clark out to scout around and find some Apaches.
> She's already a Sweetheart of the West, she lives in Utah.
>
> #;^ )
>
> Dean
>
>
>
>
>
>
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