Alice in Wonderland

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Dharma/Dean:

I think there's something in your musing on Alice. I grabbed the book from my shelf and found on pg. 4:

Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end? "I wonder how many miles I've fallen by this time!" she said aloud, "I must be getting somewhere near the centre of the earth. Let me see: that would be four thousand miles down, I think---" (for, you see, Alice had learnt several things of this sort in her lessons in the schoolroom, and though this was not a very good opportunity for showing off her knowledge, as there was no one to listen to her, still it was good practice to say it over) "--yes, that's about the distance--but then I wonder what the Latitude or Longitude I've got to?"

Chapter 12 first paragraph:

"Here!" cried Alice, quite forgetting in the flurry of the moment how large she had grown in the last few minutes, .......

I am not sure if I am right on this--but I think Lewis Carroll wrote this tale in a day or two, maybe less. Almost like it had been channeled, or he had been in the zone that creative people get into now and then. Right at the beginning of his story he introduces the idea of "the center of the earth", and throws in some facts along with it. Then Alice's increase in height near the end of the book may allude to rapid growth due to less gravity. Many other clues suggest Carroll could very well be writing about a HE. Fairy Tales do have truths in them.

Many times writer's have the uncanny ability to actually compose fictional stories that turn into fact and actually happen. Alice in Wonderland would not be the first fictional tale based on truth, or a foreseen event. The story of the Titanic was written before it occurred. Also, there was a writer who wrote either a book or a movie about the Death of a Princess a year before Lady Di left earth.

Plus, there is quite a bit of symbolism in the story, a king and a queen would depict the rulers of the HE.

I will read the story again as it has been years, and see what else is told.

Leslee

"Alice and Etidorhpa"
Alice online
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] RE: Alice in Wonderland

Leslee,

What an appropriate quote. A fall like that is mentioned in Etidorhpa, in the strata of the Earth where the gravity effect had diminished to zero.

why would he have her reflect on the Earth's diameter on her way down? A children's story would not natually include stuff like that.

Acquiring weird, bloated shapes also corresponds to Etidorhpa. In certain envoironments, under the influence of a certain intoxicant, The Guide explains that the body is no longer subserviant to the mind, and that one part goes off on a tangent and thrives at the expense of a different bodily member.

He could have been channelled or could have had some subtle experience, but who would have directed him in this way, and why? The book never brought about any HE awareness.

I don't know that the queen would have been so much symbolism. An eccentric queen in an environment where exterior matter obeys the mind ( An Etidorhpa theme ), especially her mind, is what the book seems to portray. Maybe she was possessed of more mysticism. Was some kind of matriarchal society hinted at? Were there other males in her realm? What were they like? There was a king, right? If there were men, what were they like- boobs?

Dharma/Dean

Dharma/Dean:

I think there's something in your musing on Alice. I grabbed the book from my shelf and found on pg. 4:

Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end? "I wonder how many miles I've fallen by this time!" she said aloud, "I must be getting somewhere near the centre of the earth. Let me see: that would be four thousand miles down, I think---" (for, you see, Alice had learnt several things of this sort in her lessons in the schoolroom, and though this was not a very good opportunity for showing off her knowledge, as there was no one to listen to her, still it was good practice to say it over) "--yes, that's about the distance--but then I wonder what the Latitude or Longitude I've got to?"

Chapter 12 first paragraph:

"Here!" cried Alice, quite forgetting in the flurry of the moment how large she had grown in the last few minutes, .......

I am not sure if I am right on this--but I think Lewis Carroll wrote this tale in a day or two, maybe less. Almost like it had been channeled, or he had been in the zone that creative people get into now and then. Right at the beginning of his story he introduces the idea of "the center of the earth", and throws in some facts along with it. Then Alice's increase in height near the end of the book may allude to rapid growth due to less gravity. Many other clues suggest Carroll could very well be writing about a HE. Fairy Tales do have truths in them.

Many times writer's have the uncanny ability to actually compose fictional stories that turn into fact and actually happen. Alice in Wonderland would not be the first fictional tale based on truth, or a foreseen event. The story of the Titanic was written before it occurred. Also, there was a writer who wrote either a book or a movie about the Death of a Princess a year before Lady Di left earth.

Plus, there is quite a bit of symbolism in the story, a king and a queen would depict the rulers of the HE.

I will read the story again as it has been years, and see what else is told.

Leslee

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Sean,

Thanks for bringing David H. Lewis to our attention. I had never heard of him. When did he live and write?

Any HE phenomena depicted in his book which could interest us?

Dharma/Dean

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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] RE: Alice in Wonderland

Leslee,

What an appropriate quote. A fall like that is mentioned in Etidorhpa, in the strata of the Earth where the gravity effect had diminished to zero.

<why would he have her reflect on the Earth's diameter on her way down? A children's story would not naturally include stuff like that.>

Skimming the story briefly I found other oddities for a children's story that I will mention later.

<Acquiring weird, bloated shapes also corresponds to Etidorhpa. In certain environments, under influence the of a certain intoxicant, The Guide explains that the body is no longer subservient to the mind, and that one part goes off on a tangent and thrives at the expense of a different bodily member.>

This is true of Alice--she drinks something and shrinks, then eats something and grows, etc.

<I don't know that the queen would have been so much symbolism. An eccentric queen in an environment where exterior matter obeys the mind ( An Etidorhpa theme ), especially her mind, is what the book seems to portray. Maybe she was possessed of more mysticism. Was some kind of matriarchal society hinted at? Were there other males in her realm? What were they like? There was a king, right? If there were men, what were they like- boobs?>

Give me a day or two to read the entire book from start to finish and I will get back to you on this.

<He could have been channeled or could have had some subtle experience, but who would have directed him in this way, and why? The book never brought about any HE awareness.>

Probably because it was assumed to be written for children. I use to have a reference book on children's rhymes and fairy tales that told they were really stories for adults hidden in children's tales. I will see if I can find the book, but it may be packed away somewhere.

The White Rabbit is who Alice followed when she fell into the earth. In Chinese the white rabbit represents divinity. But, even more interesting, is the Egyptian symbolism for a white rabbit is: The dawn; the beginning; the opening; also an emblem of Thoth----which gets back to Atlantis. So, the story begins with a symbol that represents Thoth and the rabbit carries a watch and says he is late, running out of time. So, is Alice actually visiting Atlantis?

Another children's book/movie that takes place under ground is "The Secret of Nimb" (sp?) I watched it many times with Brook when she was young. I will rent it again and see if it suggests a HE, or is simply about animals underground.

Will read more later and look for other reference passages. Time for me to sleep as I once more stayed up until dawn.

Good Night,
Leslee

Dharma/Dean:

I think there's something in your musing on Alice. I grabbed the book from my shelf and found on pg. 4:

Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end? "I wonder how many miles I've fallen by this time!" she said aloud, "I must be getting somewhere near the centre of the earth. Let me see: that would be four thousand miles down, I think---" (for, you see, Alice had learnt several things of this sort in her lessons in the schoolroom, and though this was not a very good opportunity for showing off her knowledge, as there was no one to listen to her, still it was good practice to say it over) "--yes, that's about the distance--but then I wonder what the Latitude or Longitude I've got to?"

Chapter 12 first paragraph:
"Here!" cried Alice, quite forgetting in the flurry of the moment how large she had grown in the last few minutes, .......

I am not sure if I am right on this--but I think Lewis Carroll wrote this tale in a day or two, maybe less. Almost like it had been channeled, or he had been in the zone that creative people get into now and then. Right at the beginning of his story he introduces the idea of "the center of the earth", and throws in some facts along with it. Then Alice's increase in height near the end of the book may allude to rapid growth due to less gravity. Many other clues suggest Carroll could very well be writing about a HE. Fairy Tales do have truths in them.

Many times writer's have the uncanny ability to actually compose fictional stories that turn into fact and actually happen. Alice in Wonderland would not be the first fictional tale based on truth, or a foreseen event. The story of the Titanic was written before it occurred. Also, there was a writer who wrote either a book or a movie about the Death of a Princess a year before Lady Di left earth.

Plus, there is quite a bit of symbolism in the story, a king and a queen would depict the rulers of the HE.

I will read the story again as it has been years, and see what else is told.

Leslee

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Members,

Has anybody conserved the address of that site called the error of mass?

Any comments on that site?

Let's just say that your concept of gravity goes a long way towards determing whether or not you can substantiate the HET. Newtonian gravity, gravity in relation to the density of mass, doesn't accomodate the HET very well AT ALL. I only briefly persused that man's site, but he had the idea- that gravity caused by mass doesn't hold up so well and that some type of froce, like a radiation, is suspected of being the cause.

This concept accomodates the HET and cavern worlds very well. We should expose ourselves to these thoughts.

Somebody get me that address again!

DD

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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/gravity.htm

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Leslee,

What did Alice eat which made her larger and smaller?

In Etidorhpa it was liquor from a mushroom bowl.

Dharma/Dean

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Dean, Alice drank a potion. Hazel

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Dean, Alice drank a potion. Hazel

Hazel,

There you have it. What is the difference between a potion and a liquor in this context? My God, Carroll's Alice in Wonderland is really corresponding to Etidorhpa.

What was Carroll's life like? Did he live a long life, die naturally, or was there anything unusual such as madness, early death, etc?

Who is reading Alice in Wonderland? Is it Leslee?

Dean

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Hazel,

Would you believe that napster doesn't have shambala for Three Dog Night? Every song but.

Oh well.

Hey Leslee,

How many pages to Alice in Wonderland?

Dean

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Ahhhhh Soma
When the gods drank urine.

BTW Ever see one of those red or orange mushrooms with white flecks on the
cap as a Christmas tree ornament? How did that get in there with Santa
Claus?

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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] What did Alice eat

Leslee,

What did Alice eat which made her larger and smaller?

In Etidorhpa it was liquor from a mushroom bowl.

Dharma/Dean--

Alice, after falling to what she thinks is the center of the earth ends up in a place with many doors, which she tries to open. All are locked so she spots a key lying on a glass table with 3 legs. taking the key she tries all the doors, but none open. Then, behind a wall she finds a very small door. She wants to fold up like a telescope so she can squeeze through the little door. She places the key back on the table and finds a bottle that simply says--drink me. She checks to see if it is labeled poison, which it is not, so she drinks it, and shrinks. But, now she is too small to reach the key, so then she spots a glass box that holds a little small cake that says eat me, she does, which makes her tall and contorted. Now she is too tall! (Never says what is in the bottle or the cake) Now she starts to cry. Soon she is swimming in an ocean of salt water from her tears. A mouse swims past her, then she comes across other animals. They all reach the shore soaking wet? To dry off--the mouse decides to expound on dry history and begins with William the Conquer--the Pope, England, a Caucus-race, Shakespeare, etc. Now that I am reading the book instead of watching the movie I see quite a bit of writing that a kid would not be interested in--but, it may not be a reference for the HE. Will have to read more. I have not read Etidorhpa yet so will have to get to that also.

Leslee

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Remember the caterpillar on the mushroom. Didn't she break off a piece of
the shroom?

up in a place with many doors, which she tries to open. All are locked so
she spots a key lying on a glass table with 3 legs. taking the key she
tries all the doors, but none open. Then, behind a wall she finds a very
small door. She wants to fold up like a telescope so she can squeeze
through the little door. She places the key back on the table and finds a
bottle that simply says--drink me. She checks to see if it is labeled
poison, which it is not, so she drinks it, and shrinks. But, now she is too
small to reach the key, so then she spots a glass box that holds a little
small cake that says eat me, she does, which makes her tall and contorted.
Now she is too tall! (Never says what is in the bottle or the cake) Now she
starts to cry. Soon she is swimming in an ocean of salt water from her
tears. A mouse swims past her, then she comes across other animals. They
all reach the shore soaking wet? To dry off--the mouse decides to expound
on dry history and begins with William the Conquer--the Pope, England, a
Caucus-race, Shakespeare, etc. Now that I am reading the book instead of
watching the movie I see quite a bit of writing that a kid would not be
interested in--but, it may not be a reference for the HE. Will have to read
more. I have not read Etidorhpa yet so will have to get to that also.

Leslee

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Original subject: What did Alice eat

Yup--it's me. Potions in a bottle, cakes in glass, politics and ocean water, tunnels, doors and a pack of cards. Will look into Carroll's life history.

Leslee

PS--had to copy & paste this message to be able to send, outlook wouldn't allow a response to the original w/o digital ID? What is that all about?

What was Carroll's life like? Did he live a long life, die naturally, or was there anything unusual such as madness, early death, etc?

Who is reading Alice in Wonderland? Is it Leslee?

Dean

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Only 192, but small size book. Read 40 last night--will try to finish in a day or two. I guess I could quite posting to finish---but not gonna......I thought about actually posting a few pages daily, but I want to read it first and see if it could be a HE story.

Boy, conversation is flying today!

Les

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: Re: [allplanets-hollow] What did Alice eat

Yup--it's me. Potions in a bottle, cakes in glass, politics and ocean water, tunnels, doors and a pack of cards. Will look into Carroll's life history.

Leslee

PS--had to copy & paste this message to be able to send, outlook wouldn't allow a response to the original w/o digital ID? What is that all about?

Do you mean that you couldn't attach?

Dean

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Morning Dean and All---

I just finished reading Carroll's tale of Alice and I am convinced this was never meant to be a book for a child. My guess is that Carroll was a genius who may have been labeled MAD. He says all people are Mad. I also think that he could have been a mathematician with some knowledge of numerology. 5-7-2 are the numbers of the cards in his book. If I were to take these cards to be representative of the minor arcana of the Tarot deck (poker deck originated from the tarot with the Page thrown out) then I would say his 5-7-2 means that he is writing a tale about strife, competition, changes to come. I think that is why Alice changes so much in his story. I also think he may have dabbled in chemistry, and also a mystic.

Although he makes mention of what looks to be HE information, it is just a splattering here and there. He talks about living beneath the sea. He speaks of a baby that looks like a starfish but is actually a pig with squinty little eyes. Footman are a frog and a fish. Creatures slowly disappear, where you can only see their grins. Watches tell the day but not the time because Time is actually a person. There are lovely lush gardens. Mushrooms that will make you either shrink or grow, depending on which side you eat off. A caterpillar smoking opium--actually says smoking hookah. Definitely high. Alice turns into a serpent, her body becomes long and slithery, especially her neck. The creatures talk about lessons that are only learned beneath the sea. The lessons are a Mystery, Ancient and Modern, with Seaography. Tunnels, doors, and all things drawn must begin with an M--mousetraps, moon and memory. Carroll inserts poems throughout the story, and while Alice is being told about attending a school beneath the sea a poem is inserted & Carroll writes:

Few lines at the beginning:
"You can really have no notion how delightful it will be
"When they take us up and throw us, with lobsters , out to sea!

Few lines near the end:
"What matters it how far we go?" his scaly friend replied,
"There is another shore, you know, upon the other side.
"The further off from England the nearer is to France--

There are other bits and pieces we may considered Carroll to be talking about a HE.

The Duchess (of York?) says, "If everybody would mind their own business"..."the world would go round a deal faster than it does." Alice says' "Which would not be an advantage--Just think what work it would make with the day and night. You see the earth takes twenty-four hours to turn round its axis." He throws in a bit of science off the cuff through out his tale.

But, I think, after reading this book, Carroll is talking about the invasion of England by William the Conqueror, and how he grows old. He talks of soldiers carrying clubs toped off with diamonds, the royal children. There are many kings and queens, but the ruling king and queen were of the suit of hearts---suit of hearts by the way depicts Europe in Tarot symbolism--(at least some decks) The ruling Queen of Hearts in story is more focussed on near the end, and she is quick to behead anyone who crosses her. May be talking about Queen Elizabeth here--and predicting changes that will lead to England's decline. That is my guess anyway. Or, he is writing about King William and Queen Mary who ruled England jointly, and Carroll thinks was England's demise. I am not up on this type of history---so this is a shot in the dark.

He also could be weaving more than one idea through out this story---but who is Alice? A mistress? Is Alice trying to give England a message about the United States at the end of the story--as the poker deck stands for the US, and in the end, Alice says, it is just a pack of cards and runs from then. 3 is the number he likes the best, and things seemed to be grouped by them.

Will see if I can find a web page about Lewis Carroll and his story.

It's a puzzle for sure, perhaps more than one!
Leslee

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PS--had to copy & paste this message to be able to send, outlook wouldn't allow a response to the original w/o digital ID? What is that all about?
Do you mean that you couldn't attach?

Dean,
No, I don't mean attachments, I mean I could not send the brief response I wrote via reply, and it is not the first time it has happened. It seems to happen more on the fantastic group, but only HE and fantastic, none of my other groups or personal mail. Many times I get Security Breach can't mail, or my mail disappears, then reappears at a later time, the above mentioned was the latest message of not being able to send. It would not go through--so, I copied the post and pasted it on a new message sheet and got around it. I brought this up awhile back, about strange GLITCHES in the electronics of FR & HE. I do not have a virus. My computer has plenty of power. I think another member mentioned recently that he could not get some of his mail to go through either. Strange.
Leslee

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Leslee, the problem is the M$. Better use another mailer. I recommend you TheBat!
(http://www.filemine.com/filedownload?fileid=201321)

Jan

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Hi,

It may interest you to know that Carroll and Tolkien were members of the same secret mystic society at Oxford. I discovered this on The Illuminati Index, a great website. Just type in Tolkien on the site's search engine and it will dig the article out of the archives.

Nikki