Hazel, please feel free to take the post of expedition artist.
I'm not worried about polar bears, sabre-toothed cats, giants, or
aliens. My main concern would be the ship or plane being used
for target practice by the Russian or Chinese military.
--Mike
Mike, We could rope in Richard Branson to take us in a hot-air balloon,
pretend we were making a Polar Crossing, and then dip into the depression,
taking Branson with us as a hostage. Hazel.
I don't know....
Before you know it, Branson would turn the place into a theme
park with dinosaur rides, coffee bars, and luxury hotels.
Hmmm, maybe I'll wait until those hotels are built.....
--Mike
Mike, I was thinking the same thing, he would monopolize the region,
although a Virgin Flight to Shambhala sounds tempting. Executive Class, of
course. Hazel.
Russ,
Maybe the purpose would be sheer adventure and the personal satisfaction.
Once we were there, we would have to absorb some perspectives from them, and
then determine a best course for ourselves.
Igues.
Dharma/Dean
Dean/List Members,
Assuming a symmetrical North Polar Opening connecting
the Outer Crust into the Inner World exist, by just
what means of transportation do you purpose
accomplishing the exploration and discovery of it?
By Air?
-A dirigible, blimp, or zeppelin?*
-An Airplane?
-A Helicopter?
-A hang glider?
-A balloon?
-Other?
By Sea?
-An Ice Breaking ship?
-A small sailing sloop? (like Olaf's)
-A Nuclear powered submarine or U-boat?
-A small sailing ship? (like Nansen's)
-A Boat or Raft?
-Other?
By Land?
-Dog-drawn Sled?
-Reindeer-drawn Sled?
-By foot?
-By Snowmobile?
-By Snow Tractor?
-Other?
By other?
-Taking a tunnel or cave entrance? (if so which one?)
-By using an Earthmotor?**
-By drilling our way in?
-By digging our way in?
-By entering Mt. Shasta? (or some other volcano or
some other mountain.If so which one?)
-Other?
Something spiritual?
By putting on your Ruby Slippers, click your heels
together three times, and say:"There's No Place like
the inner world."?
How do you propose to get in?
What transportation do you choose?
Choose wisely and saftley?
I would recommend an Aircraft of some sort and to
take along a Raft or Boat.
Russ
*Sometimes airships in Nazi Germany had Blimps that
could bring along An Airplane or two that were
underneath the ship, and could be lowered and launched
while the Blimp was still in flight.
**An Earthmotor is the same thing as an "Iron Mole" or
subterranean Drilling device.
Mammoth Cave in Kentucky is a way in. Hazel
I believe this is rumored to be an entrance to the "cavern-worlds"
(as in Etidorpha). The problem with straightforward
cave-passages or tunnels into a possible hollow, geode-like
spherical shell is that a zone of ultimate density or center of
gravity would interfere or obstruct, regardless of the true nature
or structure of the Earth.
That's why most of us see the cavern-world research, and hollow
earth research, while related, as two separate regions of
exploration, even theoretically.
--Mike
Hazel!
Go read Etidorhpa and then decide if you really feel that way. Be careful
about getting into places where you don't know what's in there. Olaf came
back to tell us about things, so we can assume that we could sail in as he
did. If you want to have an idea about what's below the surface in those
cavern worlds, then read Etidorhpa.
I am beginning to worry about you.
Your well-wisher,
Dharma/Dean
Dean, Why are you worried about me? Do you think I would be so foolish as
you venture into deep cave systems? I'm only speculating. Hazel.
Hi all,
I noticed some of you were mentioning something about
Nazi UFO bases in Antarctica. I recall an item in the
Samisdat News Bulliten about a German Hollow Earth
Expedition, at least $999900, in search of holes in
the poles.
Apparently Aryans were not the only ones associated
with the HET, for in Nazi Germany HE theories thrived.
Adolf Hitler was even rumored to have dispatched
several expedition in search for proof of a HE. There
is even a legend saying Hitler's suicide was a hoax
and that He, and his chief advisors* escaped the Last
Days of the Third Reich by going through the South
Polar Opening of Antarctica.
A rather curious mystery at modern Antarctica Bases
is why are there over 1000 people visiting there every
summer?
Many questions remain unanswered: What happened to
the Gold of the Nazis? Was Hitler's death a hoax? How
did the Germans learn the secret of Space Travel years
before the Russians did? Where are these Nazi UFOs
located? What is the mystery behind the
"foo-fighters"? And finally, what did the Allies pull
out of those underground hangars at Berlin?
Many thoughts cloud my mind.
Russ
*I do not know if Hitler's Death was a hoax or not,
but I do know that Rudolf Hess was Not imprisoned at
any Nuremburg Jail.
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An ominous development in Ufology has been in recent times the 'Black
Triangle,' a huge craft caught on film by Belgium (I think) who dispatched
two jet fighters to intercept it but couldn't. It recieved some media
attention, because there were multiple witnessess. As my son pointed out to
me, it looks very much like a US Military design, like the black triangular,
Stealth B2 Bomber, but much more advanced (and Top-Secret.) It's also been
associated with abductions and 'mind manipulation' but I'll have to check my
'archives' (bunch of battered paperback books) for more details and facts,
don't want to spread disinformation!! Hazel.
Russ,
check out this site for a Hitler story
it makes for interesting reading
Ralph, some interesting ufo photos and stories on file here as well
regards ,
David
Russ-
In good faith I say that still have doubts about the Krauts in the Antartic.
If they had that kind of technology, UFOs, they could have won WWII
blindfolded, with one hand tied behind their backs, with a bad case of
measles.
Unless some deals were made.
I do think that investigation is important, so keep developing the ideas
with other list members.
Dharma/Dean
They supposedly developed this technology too late to change the course
of the war. But some foo-fighters allegedly damaged some Allied
aircrafts.
Sorry, I don't remember the reference but it may have appeared in this
group
before.
Jan
Antartic.
of
measles.
They supposedly developed this technology too late to change the course
of the war. But some foo-fighters allegedly damaged some Allied
aircrafts.
Sorry, I don't remember the reference but it may have appeared in this
group
before.
Jan
From Dick Fojut... Jan, that was probably me. Col. Stevens in Tucson mentioned some of those German saucers MAY have caused engines to turn off in one (or more?) flights of bombers. But not a certainty with him. Rumors he heard which may - or may not have been true events. I put them on my mental shelf.
David,
The where was Hess?
Dharma/Dean
I've seen old film footage of a saucer developed by Nazi's and it lifted
about a foot of the ground, wobbled and landed again (very primitive) but
this could've been a rouse. I don't think we have the capabilities to fully
understand the principles involved and how could terrestrial pilots fly at
such speed? It would kill them, unless, like UFO's they can repulse gravity.
Hazel.
Dick,
I now recall reading about the matter you brought up here. Somewhere it
was stated ( can't remember where) that a possible reason why the flying
saucers were not used as a weapon during the war was because they were 1)
not capable of carrying explosives because the intense energy fields around
them would not allow it, and 2) even if and when this problem was solved
there was still the problem of Newtons 2nd law of motion as applied to
projectiles launched from the craft. According to the source, the saucers
are in a near massless state while in flight and so a rocket lauched from
one in a given direction will try to send the disc flying off in the
opposite direction due to action/reaction. This it was said, was the reason
there is so much research being done today by our government in directed
energy weapons because particle beams and lasers have no reactionary effect
and could be fitted to a flying saucer.
This theory sounds plausible to me, but then again the real reason could be
altogether different and possibly mind boggling. For example, what if it is
true that the Germans were already in space during the second world war?
Who knows what they discovered and who knows what effect their discoveries
could have had on their wartime priorities on earth? Maybe winning the war
on earth lost its importance after they found bigger better things to
conquer or colonize.
If not in outer space, maybe the inner earth was adequate "breeding space".
Both theories are possible but if human nature is applied we can all see
that the most predictable behavior of a humans is to use superior weapons if
they have them so God only knows what the case really was.
Sean
Hazel,
I would like to see that old film footage. Is it available anywhere?
As far as I'm concerned, unless a disc shaped craft uses field technology
as opposed to any aerodynamic lift, it isn't really a "flying saucer".
It's the class of technology that defines a flying saucer, not just the
shape. If you saw footage of a craft lifting up vertically it probably was
a form of field propulsion unless there were visible exhaust gases exiting
the bottom of the craft.
Actually we do have the capabilities to understand the inertial principles
involved in the UFO propulsion. These principles are gone over rather well
in Paul Hills' book "Unconventional Flying Objects". Although the closest
anyone has come to describing a logical method of producing anti-gravity is
Bob Lazar and Hill doesn't offer details on producing an anti-gravity field,
he does deduce that indeed a gravitational force field is what is being
used. Once that is a given, he lays out ways of using the same field
onboard the ship to cancel out inertial forces on the crew. Manipulation of
the field around the ship is also how the saucers manage to get around
aerodynamic problems such as sonic booms, etc. This same field technology
applies towards submarine travel of the discs.
The suggestion by some that there were jet powered versions of the discs is
really ridiculous in my opinion. Craft such as the AVRO disc and many other
speculated designs from the Germans which suggest jet power here, and
aerodynamic lift there, are illogical. Paul Hill point out correctly in his
book that the atmosphere is simply a nuisance to the UFO and is delt with
accordingly.
UFO's have most always been seen tilting INTO the direction they they are
traveling as to vector thrust coming from beneath them directly inline with
their vertical axis.
Others simply move sideways with no tilt at all. None fly like a Frizbee
with a conventional positive angle of attack to obtain lift from the
atmosphere. The reports of a plume or exhaust extending behind such craft
( usually cigar shaped craft) are most likely a plasma plume which is
mistaken by witnesses as a chemical jet or rocket exhaust. Paul Hill
points out ( correctly I believe) that although the force field in use is
gravitational, or an artifical acceleration field, that reactionary physics
are still in use in some craft as they exhibit "tilt to control" maneuvers.
This implies a vectored thrust, or gravitiational "pillar" between the UFO
and a body such as the earth. Although some UFO's appear to have little
mass, others, such as the "Adamski scout ship" clearly have mass and swoop,
dive, and bank, much like a helicopter. This can be seen in the film
"Overlords of the UFO" available at some video rental stores in the
documentary section.
The easiest way to conceive of the way that enertia can be managed is to
understand that if you have a force field directed at every atom in your
body at once, that no cellular damage will result because there re no
relative forces within the structure of your body. In fact, you wouldn't
feel a thing if the artificial G force applied to your body directly
counters the inertial G force created by the motion of the ship.
Hope this sheds some light on the subject.
Sean