Underground UFOs

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Brian

Brian,

I don't know if this refers to you joking around with Hazel, but I take this
idea of flying saucers and UFOs in cavern worlds rather seriously. I think
that one thing that helps me in this regard is my understanding of how such
cavern worlds can exist and how huge they could be. Here are some comments
by David Pratt in this regard, from The Error of Mass page:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/gravity.htm#g4

  " Rather than being a direct function of the quantity of matter, the
strength of the gravitational force appears to depend on the electrical and
other properties of matter. The local gravity field may vary due to the
ability of negatively charged particles and ions to screen or counteract the
attractive force of gravity, and to the capacity of different types of rock
to emit and absorb gravity-inducing radiation under different conditions.
There may also be huge caverns in the earth's outer shell. This would be
impossible if the newtonian theory were correct and gravity had unlimited
penetrability, since pressures would increase all the way to the earth's
centre. Even a few miles beneath the earth's surface the immense pressures
would cause any large cavities to collapse. But if the orthodox assumptions
are wrong, many interesting possibilities open up. "

Joseph H. Cater had already made the identical point.

If there are such huge cavern worlds, and if there is some testimony in this
regard, then we can probably give it some creedence. Here is some testimony
which was brough together in Alien Identities. I might have posted this
before, but I want to actually show some support for the things which I am
saying:

On page 175 of Alien Identities, Dr. Richard L Thompson (
http://www.afn.org/~bvi ) relates an underground abduction case where the
underground base was accessed through the sea by UFO:
" On the evening of Januray 3, 1979, Cardenas, his friend Fernando Marti,and
Marti's wife and 13 year old daughter were driving around on the outskirts
of Hialeah, looking for a pig they could buy for a roast. They were
unsuccessful, and on the way home their car engine quit.

The two men testified that the lights and starter wouldn't work, and so they
got out and began to look under the hood. At this point, they suddenly saw
red and violet alternating lights reflecting off the engine and heard a
sound like 'many bees.' ... Filiberto felt paralyzed, and he began to rise
in the air shouting " Don't take me, don't take me." Later he recounted a
strange and elaborate story that began when he awoke to find himself
sitting, paralyzed, in the presence of a robot-like being and two men in
tight-fitting suits. ... Filiberto said the alien beings looked quite human.
They had elongated eyes with eyelashes, small flattened noses, long lipless
mouths, and light beards. They also wore a symbol on the right of their
chests, consisting of a serpent on a lazy X.

The story becomes even more extraordinary: The beings proceeded to take
Filiberto to an underground base, traveling beneath the sea at high speed
through a tunnel of " firmed water " that seemed to open in front of the
craft so that water did not touch it. At the base, he met a human who was
working with the aliens, and he was led through what seemed like a city."

Dr. Thompson goes on to relate that Filiberto had several experiences while
in this underground base accessed through the sea, some of them biological,
some of them suggestive of mind control, then he was finally dropped of
again on the surface.

And here is another account of an underground UFO abduction:
" Betty Andreason ( Alien Identities, page 201 ) recalled being taken in a
UFO through a tunnel bored through solid rock. This tunnel led through a
strange landscape with a view of an ocean, a distant city and a pyramid."

Here is a narration from the Bhagavat Purana, Canto Nine, Canto 3, Texts
28 - 29. It does not describe abductions, nor materialistic nor demoniac
beings, but it does describe an underground kingdom, in this case an
undersea one. " King Saryati begot three sons, named Uttanabarhi, Anarta and
Bhurishena. From Anarta came a son nomed Revata. Oh Maharaj Parikshit,
subduer of the enemies, this Revata constructed a kingdom known as
Kushasthali in the depths of the ocean. There he lived and rules such tracts
of land as Anarta, etc. He had 100 very nice sons, of whom the eldest was
Kakudmi."

I have quite a bit on cavern worlds on my abductions page:
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index12.html

In fact, I think I'll change the name of the page.

Later,

Dharma/Dean

Dean, The New World Order Command Centre at Colorado airport, is a
staggering 88 square miles of underground complexes, and that's only one of
about 129 D.U.M.B.(deep underground military bases) The UK equivalent is
below Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire! Hazel.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Underground UFOs

> Stop it...Stop it...Stop it...Stop it...Stop it...Stop it... Stop it...
>
> Brian

Brian,

I don't know if this refers to you joking around with Hazel, but I take

this

idea of flying saucers and UFOs in cavern worlds rather seriously. I think
that one thing that helps me in this regard is my understanding of how

such

cavern worlds can exist and how huge they could be. Here are some comments
by David Pratt in this regard, from The Error of Mass page:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/gravity.htm#g4

  " Rather than being a direct function of the quantity of matter, the
strength of the gravitational force appears to depend on the electrical

and

other properties of matter. The local gravity field may vary due to the
ability of negatively charged particles and ions to screen or counteract

the

attractive force of gravity, and to the capacity of different types of

rock

to emit and absorb gravity-inducing radiation under different conditions.
There may also be huge caverns in the earth's outer shell. This would be
impossible if the newtonian theory were correct and gravity had unlimited
penetrability, since pressures would increase all the way to the earth's
centre. Even a few miles beneath the earth's surface the immense pressures
would cause any large cavities to collapse. But if the orthodox

assumptions

are wrong, many interesting possibilities open up. "

Joseph H. Cater had already made the identical point.

If there are such huge cavern worlds, and if there is some testimony in

this

regard, then we can probably give it some creedence. Here is some

testimony

which was brough together in Alien Identities. I might have posted this
before, but I want to actually show some support for the things which I am
saying:

On page 175 of Alien Identities, Dr. Richard L Thompson (
http://www.afn.org/~bvi ) relates an underground abduction case where the
underground base was accessed through the sea by UFO:
" On the evening of Januray 3, 1979, Cardenas, his friend Fernando

Marti,and

Marti's wife and 13 year old daughter were driving around on the outskirts
of Hialeah, looking for a pig they could buy for a roast. They were
unsuccessful, and on the way home their car engine quit.

The two men testified that the lights and starter wouldn't work, and so

they

got out and began to look under the hood. At this point, they suddenly saw
red and violet alternating lights reflecting off the engine and heard a
sound like 'many bees.' ... Filiberto felt paralyzed, and he began to rise
in the air shouting " Don't take me, don't take me." Later he recounted a
strange and elaborate story that began when he awoke to find himself
sitting, paralyzed, in the presence of a robot-like being and two men in
tight-fitting suits. ... Filiberto said the alien beings looked quite

human.

They had elongated eyes with eyelashes, small flattened noses, long

lipless

mouths, and light beards. They also wore a symbol on the right of their
chests, consisting of a serpent on a lazy X.

The story becomes even more extraordinary: The beings proceeded to take
Filiberto to an underground base, traveling beneath the sea at high speed
through a tunnel of " firmed water " that seemed to open in front of the
craft so that water did not touch it. At the base, he met a human who was
working with the aliens, and he was led through what seemed like a city."

Dr. Thompson goes on to relate that Filiberto had several experiences

while

in this underground base accessed through the sea, some of them

biological,

some of them suggestive of mind control, then he was finally dropped of
again on the surface.

And here is another account of an underground UFO abduction:
" Betty Andreason ( Alien Identities, page 201 ) recalled being taken in a
UFO through a tunnel bored through solid rock. This tunnel led through a
strange landscape with a view of an ocean, a distant city and a pyramid."

Here is a narration from the Bhagavat Purana, Canto Nine, Canto 3, Texts
28 - 29. It does not describe abductions, nor materialistic nor demoniac
beings, but it does describe an underground kingdom, in this case an
undersea one. " King Saryati begot three sons, named Uttanabarhi, Anarta

and

Bhurishena. From Anarta came a son nomed Revata. Oh Maharaj Parikshit,
subduer of the enemies, this Revata constructed a kingdom known as
Kushasthali in the depths of the ocean. There he lived and rules such

tracts

of land as Anarta, etc. He had 100 very nice sons, of whom the eldest was
Kakudmi."

I have quite a bit on cavern worlds on my abductions page:
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index12.html

In fact, I think I'll change the name of the page.

Later,

Dharma/Dean

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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Underground
UFOs

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it...Stop it...Stop it... Stop it...

Brian

Brian,

I don't know if this refers to you joking around with Hazel, but I
take this

idea of flying saucers and UFOs in cavern worlds rather seriously. I
think

that one thing that helps me in this regard is my understanding of
how such

cavern worlds can exist and how huge they could be. Here are some
comments

by David Pratt in this regard, from The Error of Mass
page:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/gravity.htm#g4
From Dick Fojut...
Dean, Thank you for listing (again?)
David Pratt's URL above "The Error of Mass." A terrific
scientific broad brush painting about several individuals, past and
present, attempting to expand our understanding
. Won't pretend
familiarity with the various experiments described, "laws" and
formulas saturating his text, but Pratt's excellent descriptions were
clear enough to allow me to grasp the general images he seems (to me)
to be portraying. But will need to read much morel to understand what
are his own specific notions are, separated from the others he
described.

Dean, I note you extracted specifics
that support the admirable theories of Cater..
They may well be,
and probably are, superior to most current accepted orthodox
cosmological notions. Even with my meagre grasp of Churchward's
ideas, I think I can also extract much from "The error of Mass"
to enhance Churchward's also admirable notions about the forces and
mechanics controlling our physical universe. Perhaps parts of each of
these two "Cs" are closer to reality than others. We may someday
find out. But again, thanks for putting me on to this excellent
thinker, Pratt.

SOMETHING LEFT OUT?

I need to re-read all of
Pratt's website text again to be certain, but there seems to
something LEFT OUT of the various ideas described about Earth-Sun
GRAVITY.
Whatever the actual mechanics, by observation, our Sun
generates, or emanates, several ATTRACTING and
REPELLING forces to maintain control of its satellite. (and
all the other satellites).

Among the (one or more) repelling
forces
, the Sun's Centrifugal force by "throwing its
satellites away" from itself, is the most obvious
. But there
MUST be more to this repelling action than just the INITIAL impetus
of "throwing away." Because the Earth continues to be
"thrown away" moment after moment, there seems to be a continuous
"something," unseen particles or forces (not attracting but)
maintaining "contact" or grip on the earth
while at the same time continuously REPELLING Earth. Contact
while throwing away. Picture it? Even Churchward neglected going into
detail about this phenomenon. And his non mention of it has long
bothered me.

The Sun's centrifugal force was just
a
beginning ACTION that INITIALLY tossed away Earth
physically, but to continue doing so, seems to me to require
maintenance of a steady, invisible CONNECTION
, separate to the
pulling attraction of the Sun's magnetic forces on Earth.

The Sun's (several)
powerful
ATTRACTIVE magnetic forces traveling with its
Rays to Earth maintain continuous contact, trying to pull
Earth to itself. The Sun's centrifugal force cancels the effort.
In a checkmate, Earth is swung in a precise orbit around the
Sun, as if held by a "string" of forces, repelling WHILE
attracting,
but BOTH (not just the attracting forces) in
never-ending direct contact between Sun and Earth
. If this
observable dual-contact actually exists between Earth and Sun, why
not something similar maintaining a similar "dual" contact
between Earth and the moon? And between all Suns and their
satellites?

A second, obviously separate,
set of ATTRACTING controlling forces from the Sun, observably rotate
Earth's body on its axis.
A regular, continuous never ending
rotation. It happens, therefore this second set of unseen
ATTRACTING forces must be real. They maintain a regular, not moment
by moment global contact, but a "continuous" contact with each
appearing DAWN quadrant of the Earth.

Yes, I know some astronomical
"scientists" have other notions. Some theorize the Earth somehow
rotates itself... or began rotating itself at its beginning and
continues to do so by ever lessening "momentum."
Eventually,
some holding that seeming "accidental" commencement idea, think
Earth will eventually slow down and stop! But to cover their
foolishness, they place that date "millions of years in the
future." Some similar "thinkers" in astronomy have imagined the
Sun is "burning" away its "fuel" and will (at that same safe
prediction date) of "millions of years in the future," burn
itself out.

But, returning to Earth-Sun
forces observabl
y SIMULTANEOUSLY attracting and
repelling
, Pratt and everyone else should examine and attempt to
explain this dual-contact phenomena. Maybe Cater explains it.
I personally think Churchward is one who explains most of it very
well, aside from his failing to describe the continuous
contact
of the Sun's repellant force, apparently travelling
"with" its throwing-away centrifugal force of
rotation.

···

Aside from the above, there
is something I have intended to mention but keep forgetting to do so.
Here it is: About the Earth's poles in the past supposedly having
shifted enormously and even flipped 180 degrees several
times!....

Physicist Dr. Ron Merill on a
Laura Lee interview Nov. of 1997, expressed doubt about EXTREME past
shifts of the poles..
. (and doubts about the magnetic field
deteriorating, as well). He said the detection of lines of forces in
rocks showing different magnetic directions could be
fooling scientists. He had discovered some of these changes were
LOCALIZED
. Within miles of each other, the lines of forces were
sometimes different. He wasn't certain of the precise reasons for
this, but suspected that magma from uplifted melted rock and other
rock later overturned in different directions by earthquakes, could
place doubt on the extreme pole shift theories. Interesting?

Dr. Merrill is the same scientist, on that same show, who
said: "ALL SCIENCE IS CONJECTURE."

  • Dick Fojut in Tucson