Well said Nikki!
Sean,
Who was it who said "religion is the opiate of the people"?
Seems like even our minds and hearts are drugged - in addition to genetic
fiddling.
I agree with your line of thought. It's about time people woke up. We were
bred to serve, if you listen to the decoders and researchers of the
ancient
texts. But if they'd been so sure of us, why the need to add religion and
now the new age movement? I think what is feared most is our intuitive
intelligence, that something is very very wrong in this world.
I'm not an american citizen, but I am shocked by the amount of
authoritative
reports of the Bush family's drug peddling and Dick Cheney's global
corporate chairmanship of a company manufacturing arms and peddling oil
etc,
plus news that your IRS is a private institution and not entiitled to take
your tax. These are just 2 small examples. In Britain they're producing
videos for schools teaching 4yr old kids how to have homosexual
penetrative
sex, for pete's sake. What is going on?
Why aren't people up in arms? Are we - myself included - totally numbed by
the volume of weirdness going on. Or are we all preoccupied with financial
survival? I'm amazed Jan has the stamina to maintain his Hollow earth
investigation, on top of earning a living and dealing with the politics of
SA. I also think it's ironic that we are pre-occupied with fixing what
ain't
broke, while ignoring the traitors on top of the surface. I fully
understand our unanimous passion for Hollow Earth on this mailing list.
We
are all so battered by the sickness on the surface, we desperately want an
escape hatch.
And as for karma. First we are told we have a say - that we choose before
birth. Then we're told once alive on Earth, that we no longer have a say.
We must bear responsibility for all the murders and crimes that happen
around us because we chose to be here, but we can't change the divine
plan.
The individuals that dreamt this lot up were supremely clever strategists.
Oh and they didn't want us all to say hell is on Earth and I'm leaving -
we
are told suicide means you have to repeat everything again. Well that's a
flat contradiction isn't it. Once we're out of here, we get to choose
pre-birth whether we want to rejoin the party... according to the same
people who tell us we're responsible in the first place. Since when do
they
get to change their tune but we can't?
Surely, until we manage to revolt against the corrupt rulers of this
world,
the advanced civilization who welcomed Jansen will never let us in. Since
we're lying down with dogs we're covered in fleas. Why should they?
Nikki
From: Sean Kinkade <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] What... if?
>
> From: "Nikki" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] What... if?
>
> Nikki,
> You have some good points. I have a big problem with the "as Allah
wills"
or
> "it's their karma" mentality. I spent three weeks in Cairo and that is
the
> BIG COP OUT I heard over and over! That is one reason why so many
people
> over there in the middle east and India live in squalor in my opinion.
>
> Nature always seems to win in this plane of existence. Any pacifistic
or
> so called spirtitually enlightened group that is not prepared to defend
> itself is destined to perish because that notion is based on a false
> reality, at least in this dimension. Case in point? Look at the Dalai
Lama
> and other monks over in Tibet. Their spiritual enlightenment did
nothing
to
> protect them from the assaults of the hard liner red Chinese. Monks
have
> been massacred over there. Peaceful, pacifistic, "enlightened" monks.
> Shoots holes in the notion of karma doesn't it? At least the Branch
> Davidians had a good enough dose of reality to arm themselves.
>
> I don't mean to offend anyone but Christianity itself could be looked
upon
> as a perfect religion for export to ones enemies. If your own people
did
> not beleive or abide by the Christian principles and your enemy did you
> would have the advantage. The fortunate contradiction here is for our
> country's sake ( which at least was for the most part a Christian
nation )
> is that Christian principles of turning the other cheek has never really
> been applied to our government or military. If we practiced what our
> nations religion preached we would have been conquered long ago.
>
> I once read something in some UFO book that stirred my interest (
Zacharia
> Stitchin I think)and that was that if we were genetically manipulated by
> these "others", couldn't we have been given specific desired traits?
Just
> as we humans have domesticated dogs from wild dogs through selective
> breeding and obtained certain desirable traits such as loyalty and
> obedience, it was stated that perhaps we humans were genetically bred to
> have the tendency "to serve".
> Notice in just about all religions a subservience of mind and soul is
> encouraged and is said to be "good" and spiritual and required for
communion
> with God. Any rebellion is deemed "evil" and assigned to satan. Most
of
us
> tend to go along with this way of thinking, it makes sense that we
should
be
> subservient to our creator after all. But we may feel this way because
we
> can't help it just as a bird dog can't help but want to hunt birds. It
may
> be in our genetic code and therefore we may have the tendency to be
easily
> duped.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sean,
> >
> > Here's another thought, linked to what you just stated. What if we are
all
> > being duped into this notion of karma on purpose? The aim being that
we
> > become fatalists and passively accept our fates?
> >
> > How many people put up with rubbish because they believe they can't
fight
> > karma?
> >
> > How many people put up with evil government because they feel it's all
> part
> > of a divine plan?
> >
> > Just how untouchable have we allowed evil to become in this world?
> >
> > And thus how much have we given evil power over us? Just as the divine
> book
> > foretold.
> >
> > And since the good book says we'll mostly all be duped by a false
prophet
> > near the end of times, do we ever question the most popular belief
systems
> > of the new age new world movement? Who is more likely to succeed in
duping
> > us? Someone who sprouts the popular thought of the day.
> >
> > Maya,
> >
> > Personally I love animals and have gone vegetarian. But not for the
reason
> > you think. With Mad Cow disease racing around the world and (2 thai
people
> > are now infected) mad sheep etc soon to become the norm (based on news
> > reports) I think a better argument would be for us to not eat anything
> whose
> > diet we cannot supervise...
> >
> > all the best
> > Nikki Hill
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sean Kinkade <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Thoughts on hostile aliens
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Maya Oz" <[email protected]>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:50 AM
> > > Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Thoughts on hostile aliens
> > >
> > >
> > > Maya,
> > > I'm not a big meat eater myself but your rationale is so severely
> flawed
> > I
> > > have to comment on it. I was raised with this notion of karma as my
> > father
> > > was into eastern philosophy. Now as a free thinking adult, I have a
lot
> > of
> > > trouble with the concept. It is purely a faith based belief system
like
> > any
> > > other religious dogma and has absolutely no basis that can be
proved.
> > > "Good" people suffer and "bad" people prosper sometime. Can you say
> O.J.?
> > > The whole concept of "justice" and fairness are purely HUMAN
concepts
> and
> > > are ASSIGNED to things. Such concepts do not exist by themselves.
Such
> > > concepts do not exist at all in the animal kingdom either. If you
are
> > well
> > > educated in natural science you will already know this. The
animals,
> our
> > > "younger brothers", live a cold cruel existence of eat or be eaten,
> > predator
> > > and prey, and survival of the fittest. This is the cold hard fact
and
> > runs
> > > totally contrary to your human concept of karma. Going by your
> philosophy
> > > all predators must be incurring a horrible karmic debt to their prey
> > unless
> > > of course the "law" only applies to we humans which is a convenient
> escape
> > > route from any logical rationale applied to the subject.
> > > What about our wonderfully intelligent and "spiritual" brothers the
> > dolphins
> > > and whales? Think of the millions of individual souls they devour,
the
> > tons
> > > of living fish they eat every day. Is there compassion shown by
these
> > > creatures for their dinner? Absolutely not. Are they spiritually
or
> > > morally deficient because of this? No. They are carnivores plain
and
> > > simple. You know our sweet little puddy tats ( I have two) don't
only
> > kill
> > > for food, but like killer whales they torment and torture their prey
and
> > may
> > > or may not even eat their kill after these acts. The concept of
mercy,
> > > decency, compassion, reciprocity, etc. are all HUMAN attributes only
and
> > > have even been recently linked to a part of the human brain, the
frontal
> > > lobe. Applying these traits and therefore responsibilities to
other
> > > species is absurd. Nature did not give them the equipment to do
math
> and
> > > they don't have the equipment to show compassion either. Much of
the
> > > attributes we even give our house pets are really projected
assumptions
> > from
> > > an anthropomorphic point of view.
> > > So going by karma, since we as a species have killed and
experimented
> > with
> > > animals, we "have it coming" so to speak from the aliens. Well
answer
> me
> > > this..what did our bovine friends who never did anything more than
eat
> > grass
> > > do to deserve wholesale slaughter only to wind up in a quarter
pounder
> > with
> > > cheese? Must have done something horrific to deserve this!
> > > There is no logical answer to this because there is no logical
answer
to
> > the
> > > concept of karma because it's just that! A concept!
> > > It is so easily bought into because it appeals directly to our human
> > > instinct for the desire of fairness and justice but fairness and
justice
> > are
> > > attributes we developed over time becaue we are social animals with
> highly
> > > developed brains.
> > >
> > > Sean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Many of us in this e-mail group seem to have read books on UFOs
and
> > > wondered
> > > > what they are really all about. UFOs are an inner- and/or
> > extraterrestial
> > > > phenomenon and when one delves deeper into the questions: where do
> they
> > > come
> > > > from, why do they interfere with humankind and what is their
ultimate
> > > goal,
> > > > one finally discovers the frightening and unbelieveable truth.
> > > >
> > > > Thousands of people have been abducted, undergone physical
> > "examinations"
> > > > and been implanted. There is an abhorrent alien/homo sapiens
> > collaboration
> > > > taking place under Dulce, N.M. and in other underground
laboratories.
> > See
> > > > the Branton files.
> > > >
> > > > Now, when we have recovered from our shock we must ask ourselves,
why
> > we,
> > > as
> > > > inhabitants of planet earth, have to experience this scenario in
which
> > we
> > > > are the helpless victims.
> > > >
> > > > We have to try to see what is happening from a different
perspective,
> an
> > > > elevated point of view: the aliens (greys/reptiloids) are like a
> mirror
> > > > reflecting us human beings, only on shifted levels. The places of
> action
> > > are
> > > > different, but the experiences being made on these scenes of
action
> are
> > > > same: exploitation, subjugation, undiscribable horror, pain,
death.
> > > >
> > > > Aliens kidnap people, use them for genetic experiments, violate
their
> > > bodies
> > > > and souls without mercy, compassion or any sign of love. Yet, in a
way
> > one
> > > > could see them as our elder brothers, as they are far more
advanced
> than
> > > us,
> > > > at least technologically.
> > > >
> > > > Also we human beings are elder brothers of another species: our
> younger
> > > > brothers are the animals. And how do WE treat our younger brothers
?
> > > > Thousands, if not millions of animals worldwide die most painfully
in
> > > > pharmaceutical tests/experiments. Definitely here in Europe, but
> surely
> > > also
> > > > in the US, etc., maybe India is an exception. Animals by the
millions
> > are
> > > > being bred, transported and slaughtered to please our taste buds -
> > without
> > > > compassion, love or mercy.
> > > >
> > > > Can you see the connection ? This is the law of KARMA in action:
"An
> eye
> > > for
> > > > an eye", "what you sow you shall reap", "as underneath so above".
I
> > don't
> > > > want to appear like a preacher with his accusing finger pointing
at
> > > > humanity, but I feel that mankind in the last century and at
present
> > > has/is
> > > > committing unspeakable crimes against their younger brothers, who
also
> > > feel:
> > > > love, hate, horror, jealousy, motherly love, etc. Our guilt is
forever
> > > > growing (see also the latest experiments with cloning) and we all
will
> > > have
> > > > to pay for our actions. Whatever will come upon us in the future
and
> > this,
> > > I
> > > > can asure you will be anything but pleasant, we have brought it
onto
> > > > ourselves.
> > > >
> > > > Behind the scenes there are laws in action, spiritual laws, which
none
> > of
> > > us
> > > > will escape.
> > > >
> > > > I think, that everybody should in a quiet moment ask themself:
Where
> do
> > I
> > > > stand, on which side am I in this scenario ? Do I let others -
the
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nikki" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] What... if?
----- Original Message -----
> ----- Original Message -----
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > butchers
> > > > - do their bloody work for me ? Do I also contribute to pain and
> horror
> > > > inflicted on the animal kingdom ? (By the way, you can live quite
well
> > as
> > > a
> > > > vegetarian as I and my almost grown up children have experienced
over
> > the
> > > > last 23 years). I think we all should re-think our actions and
habits
> > with
> > > > regard to love for other living beings.
> > > >
> > > > As, whatever the future will hold in store for us, we will only
> > experience
> > > > that from which we, as souls, can learn and grow and develop.
> > > >
> > > > So far my thoughts on the spiritual aspects of hostile aliens
> > > > (greys/reptiloids).
> > > >
> > > > Maya
> > > >
> > > >
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