List Members,
It isn't my intention to reproduce Mike Mott's whole book, but this piece on
Nimueh and Merlin really impressed me.
if you go to some cavern world instead of the hollow prtion, be careful
about where you go!
# ;^ )
DD
Her name is spelled Nimue; mine is Nimueh. And I do not agree with the content
and tone of the presentation here.
Nimueh
Dean De Lucia wrote:
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List Members,
It isn't my intention to reproduce Mike Mott's whole book, but this piece on
Nimueh and Merlin really impressed me.if you go to some cavern world instead of the hollow prtion, be careful
about where you go!# ;^ )
DD
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Nimueh,
I know that you have practically the same name as Nimue, but I really didn't
mean any offense.
I guess that I should have thought of your name before I made a post on the
list about " the manipulation of Merlin's emotions and lust by Nimue," and
then saying " be careful where you go."
Don't be too mad at me!
Dharma/Dean
--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Dean De Lucia" <0108@t...> wrote:
Nimueh,
I know that you have practically the same name as Nimue, but I
really didn't
mean any offense.
I guess that I should have thought of your name before I made
a post on the
list about " the manipulation of Merlin's emotions and lust by
Nimue," and
then saying " be careful where you go."
Don't be too mad at me!
Dharma/Dean
The interpretation of the relationship between Merlin and Nimue,
and his one "weakness" and downfall being due to his lust for
her, is well documented in all of Arthurian literature. It is literary,
if not literal, fact, and as I point out may be symbolic of a deeper
underlying reality. So are the underworld ("Annwn")/underlake
connections of BOTH of these "characters." In later traditions,
the name of the Lady of the Lake was changed by some writers,
but the earliest form was Nimue, which may be Welsh.
No offense is meant to Nimueh, nor to Merlin Olsen the
ex-football player and actor. Names are names and facts are
facts and surely one should not affect the other.
Of course, I stand by the facts which I have painstakingly
uncovered and documented over many, many years of research,
but anyone is free to believe or believe them as they wish. But in
the same way that I am not the same person as William the
Conquerer, and I take no offense if he is in any way impugned, I
see no legitimate connection between the name of a person
who is living today and a person, entity, or personality of the
same name who lived hundreds or thousands of years ago.
No offense is meant, but it is simply too absurd to be warrant
genuine concern.
(Wm.) Michael Mott
There are always historical distortions reflecting political situations,
including sexism, propaganda, etc. What was said isn't true; I have ignored it
previously but with my own name on it, I am replying. If one delves into the
level of truth, truth will be known.
They are each performing their divine missions. She is guardian for his mission
through time. Again, if one seeks to understand in truth, truth will be shown.
All is already forgiven, but it may be wise to mind one's words.
She is my namesake, and I have penetrated the essences. Merlin is the partner
essence.
Blessings to all,
Love, light and peace in service to All Life,
Nimueh
Dean De Lucia wrote:
···
Nimueh,
I know that you have practically the same name as Nimue, but I really didn't
mean any offense.I guess that I should have thought of your name before I made a post on the
list about " the manipulation of Merlin's emotions and lust by Nimue," and
then saying " be careful where you go."Don't be too mad at me!
Dharma/Dean
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There are always historical distortions reflecting political situations,
including sexism, propaganda, etc. What was said isn't true; I have ignored it
previously but with my own name on it, I am replying. If one delves into the
level of truth, truth will be known.
They are each performing their divine missions. She is guardian for his mission
through time. Again, if one seeks to understand in truth, truth will be shown.
All is already forgiven, but it may be wise to mind one's words.
She is my namesake, and I have penetrated the essences. Merlin is the partner
essence.
Blessings to all,
Love, light and peace in service to All Life,
Nimueh
Dean De Lucia wrote:
···
Nimueh,
I know that you have practically the same name as Nimue, but I really didn't
mean any offense.I guess that I should have thought of your name before I made a post on the
list about " the manipulation of Merlin's emotions and lust by Nimue," and
then saying " be careful where you go."Don't be too mad at me!
Dharma/Dean
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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Nimueh" <nimueh@u...> wrote:
There are always historical distortions reflecting political
situations,
including sexism, propaganda, etc. What was said isn't true; I
have ignored it
previously but with my own name on it, I am replying. If one
delves into the
level of truth, truth will be known.
They are each performing their divine missions. She is
guardian for his mission
through time. Again, if one seeks to understand in truth, truth
will be shown.
All is already forgiven, but it may be wise to mind one's words.
She is my namesake, and I have penetrated the essences.
Merlin is the partner
essence.
Blessings to all,
Love, light and peace in service to All Life,
Nimueh
Nimueh, I would like to hear more about the cosmology or
experience which has led you to your conclusions, so that I can
better understand your position on this and maybe even learn
something.
Are you saying that Merlin is/was a time-traveller? Are you
implying a relationship between Nimue and Merlin that did NOT
have sexual undertones, nor at least one of an unrequited love
which was so desperate and insistent that Merlin was cruelly
imprisoned for being a pest who had outlived his usefulness?
The latter message is clearly made in Arthurian tradition, as far
as I can ascertain.
What are you referring to with the phrase "political situations?" Is
this an aknowledgement that Nimue, both through her own
interaction (the gift of Excalibur) and that of her henchman Merlin,
was attempting to affect human politics by putting her own
chosen--no genetically DESIGNED, through selective
breeding--puppet ruler on the throne? This does NOT mean that
the historical Arthur, whoever he was, was a bad guy, but as I
pointed out previously, it does indicate a willful and intentional
manipulation of human societies and gene pools for what can
only be, in the ultimate view, personal reasons.
In what sense are Nimue and Merlin "divine?" Is Merlin not said,
in every example of the tale, to be half-human and half-demon, or
incubus? Is an incubus "divine?" In most traditions, for
thousands of years, incubi and succubi are considered to be
"infernal," right? Merlin's mother was raped by a incubus from
the underworld, or so goes the tale. The same associations
belong to those who are of the realm of "Faerie," "Annwn," "Tir
Nan Og," etc. At least according to Saints Columba and Patrick,
and to the countryside peoples of all the British Isles for the last
thousand years or more, who believed all "fairies," even those
who seemed friendly, to be at best indifferent to humans, and at
worst in the employ of "the devil himself." For more info on this, I
would recommend the extensive work and research of Katherine
Briggs, Evans-Wentz, Lady Gregory, William Butler Yeats, and
the Reverend Robert Kirk (author of "The Secret Commonwealth"
and a witness of the activities of the "sidhe" or fairy-folk, whom
he opposed).
I'd appreciate your thoughts on these things, as I'm just wanting
to get a better understanding of the tradition or belief-system
you're coming from, so I don't unintentionally offend.
Best,
--Mike
Mike,
I will reply. I am super-tired this evening after a full day. I will get back
to you on this. Thank you for your interest.
Blessings,
Nimueh
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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Nimueh" <nimueh@u...> wrote:
> There are always historical distortions reflecting political
situations,
> including sexism, propaganda, etc. What was said isn't true; I
have ignored it
> previously but with my own name on it, I am replying. If one
delves into the
> level of truth, truth will be known.
>
> They are each performing their divine missions. She is
guardian for his mission
> through time. Again, if one seeks to understand in truth, truth
will be shown.
> All is already forgiven, but it may be wise to mind one's words.
>
> She is my namesake, and I have penetrated the essences.
Merlin is the partner
> essence.
>
> Blessings to all,
> Love, light and peace in service to All Life,
> Nimueh
>Nimueh, I would like to hear more about the cosmology or
experience which has led you to your conclusions, so that I can
better understand your position on this and maybe even learn
something.Are you saying that Merlin is/was a time-traveller? Are you
implying a relationship between Nimue and Merlin that did NOT
have sexual undertones, nor at least one of an unrequited love
which was so desperate and insistent that Merlin was cruelly
imprisoned for being a pest who had outlived his usefulness?
The latter message is clearly made in Arthurian tradition, as far
as I can ascertain.What are you referring to with the phrase "political situations?" Is
this an aknowledgement that Nimue, both through her own
interaction (the gift of Excalibur) and that of her henchman Merlin,
was attempting to affect human politics by putting her own
chosen--no genetically DESIGNED, through selective
breeding--puppet ruler on the throne? This does NOT mean that
the historical Arthur, whoever he was, was a bad guy, but as I
pointed out previously, it does indicate a willful and intentional
manipulation of human societies and gene pools for what can
only be, in the ultimate view, personal reasons.In what sense are Nimue and Merlin "divine?" Is Merlin not said,
in every example of the tale, to be half-human and half-demon, or
incubus? Is an incubus "divine?" In most traditions, for
thousands of years, incubi and succubi are considered to be
"infernal," right? Merlin's mother was raped by a incubus from
the underworld, or so goes the tale. The same associations
belong to those who are of the realm of "Faerie," "Annwn," "Tir
Nan Og," etc. At least according to Saints Columba and Patrick,
and to the countryside peoples of all the British Isles for the last
thousand years or more, who believed all "fairies," even those
who seemed friendly, to be at best indifferent to humans, and at
worst in the employ of "the devil himself." For more info on this, I
would recommend the extensive work and research of Katherine
Briggs, Evans-Wentz, Lady Gregory, William Butler Yeats, and
the Reverend Robert Kirk (author of "The Secret Commonwealth"
and a witness of the activities of the "sidhe" or fairy-folk, whom
he opposed).I'd appreciate your thoughts on these things, as I'm just wanting
to get a better understanding of the tradition or belief-system
you're coming from, so I don't unintentionally offend.Best,
--Mike
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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Nimueh" <nimueh@u...> wrote:
Mike,
I will reply. I am super-tired this evening after a full day. I will get
back
to you on this. Thank you for your interest.
Blessings,
Nimueh
Ok, Nimueh, thanks!
Best,
--Mike
> They are each performing their divine missions. She is
guardian for his mission
> through time. Again, if one seeks to understand in truth, truth
will be shown.
> All is already forgiven, but it may be wise to mind one's words.
In what sense are Nimue and Merlin "divine?"
I'd appreciate your thoughts on these things, as I'm just wanting
to get a better understanding of the tradition or belief-system
you're coming from, so I don't unintentionally offend.
Mike,
the worldview Nimueh upholds is called monism (in sanskrit advaita), or
"everything is one" philosophy. It claims that everything is one essence
(Brahman, Light etc.),
and material differences (dualities) are just illusory (sanskrit "maya", from
this comes its another name - mayavada), and therefore everything is divine.
Thus it disregards sin (negative karma) etc.
This philosophy was introduced by Indian philosopher Sankara in 6th century
to replace the anti-Vedic buddhist philosophy which took over India at that
time. He wanted to redirect people's attention back to the Vedas and by
presenting a compromise between buddhism and the genuine Vedic (mono)theism
he made the transition easier. This progress from Buddha to Sankara to the
restoration of Vedic theism by four Vaishnava spiritual masters was predicted
in the Vedic scriptures.
Monism was later brought to the West by Theosophists etc. and formed the
philosophical basis of so-called New Age movement. It spreads quite quickly
and it is opposed mainly by Christians and Vaishnavas, partially by Muslims
and Jews.
For an overview of this philosophy from the Vedic point of view see
http://veda.harekrsna.cz/html/enc/mayavada.htm
For a comparison of Vedic Vaishnava paradigm with New Age view see
http://veda.harekrsna.cz/html/enc/newage.htm
Hope this helps
Jan
--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., janjm <janjm@s...> wrote:
Mike,
the worldview Nimueh upholds is called monism (in sanskrit
advaita), or
"everything is one" philosophy. It claims that everything is one
essence
(Brahman, Light etc.),
and material differences (dualities) are just illusory (sanskrit
"maya", from
this comes its another name - mayavada), and therefore
everything is divine.
Thus it disregards sin (negative karma) etc.
Hope this helps
Jan
Jan,
Thanks for the information.
Philosophically, Nimueh and I will disagree, but at least this
helps me to understand her point of view better.
Thanks again,
--Mike