The zone of heat ?

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There seems to be something missing in Etidorhpa. What about
the zone of heat? As one gets deeper into the crust of Earth it
should be getting hotter, and after some 1000 meters it should
be quite hot, actually unbearable hot. This zone of heat would
most likely be the greatest obstacle that one would encounter on
a journey like the one in Etidorhpa. So why did they not encounter
it?

Any ideas?

Frode

PS! The simplest explanation is of course that the whole story is
made up. But let us forget that for a while.

2

Having been in some caves that are DEEP, nearly 1,000 feet, I think I might
have to dispute the zone of heat at least to the point that it is not
omnipresent, but in certain areas may exist. I know that 1,000 feet is not
the same as a 1/2 mile (1,000 meters) but it always get down to freezing or
near freezing unless I am in a thermally active area. For instance, where I
live in Idaho I explore ice caves and old lave tubes with friends. They are
all cold as the caldera's are long dormant. And me being a rather large guy
(300+ lbs) I don't fit through little holes, so I have to find larger
passage ways and such, and they are still cold. In the winter they are
warmer than the -30 below freezing that is outside as they seem to hover
near freezing all year.

I am sure that they encounter heat though in certain places. I know of
mines that are only a few hundred feet deep in some places that are supposed
to be sweltering at or above 100+ degrees! With this in mind, the zone of
heat must exist in only some places or else at different depths everywhere.

Will Rhea
[email protected]

p.s. There are no caves that I have been in here in Idaho that are 1,000
feet deep. But I have been in caves in California that are. They took a
week to get down into and back out of. My friend Mike has some old miner
eternity lamps. They run on carbide and water. We each carried 1/2 a pack
of carbide and got our water from in the cave. The water drips on the
carbide creating a flammable gas, which is then burned by a flame above the
gassing chamber. A mirror focuses the light ahead. These things are rare,
but are really a great way to go. 1/2 a pack of carbide is heavy and hard
to carry, not to mention water, food, rope and other climbing supplies, but
for this you need big tunnels or tubes.

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on 06/01/2001 6:43 PM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote:

There seems to be something missing in Etidorhpa. What about
the zone of heat? As one gets deeper into the crust of Earth it
should be getting hotter, and after some 1000 meters it should
be quite hot, actually unbearable hot. This zone of heat would
most likely be the greatest obstacle that one would encounter on
a journey like the one in Etidorhpa. So why did they not encounter
it?

3

frode,

Will's words sound reasonable. And remeber that ventilation and running
streams could help to cool things down, too.

Be careful in those caves, Will.

Dean

Having been in some caves that are DEEP, nearly 1,000 feet, I think I

might

have to dispute the zone of heat at least to the point that it is not
omnipresent, but in certain areas may exist. I know that 1,000 feet is

not

the same as a 1/2 mile (1,000 meters) but it always get down to freezing

or

near freezing unless I am in a thermally active area. For instance, where

I

live in Idaho I explore ice caves and old lave tubes with friends. They

are

all cold as the caldera's are long dormant. And me being a rather large

guy

(300+ lbs) I don't fit through little holes, so I have to find larger
passage ways and such, and they are still cold. In the winter they are
warmer than the -30 below freezing that is outside as they seem to hover
near freezing all year.

I am sure that they encounter heat though in certain places. I know of
mines that are only a few hundred feet deep in some places that are

supposed

to be sweltering at or above 100+ degrees! With this in mind, the zone of
heat must exist in only some places or else at different depths

everywhere.

Will Rhea
[email protected]

p.s. There are no caves that I have been in here in Idaho that are 1,000
feet deep. But I have been in caves in California that are. They took a
week to get down into and back out of. My friend Mike has some old miner
eternity lamps. They run on carbide and water. We each carried 1/2 a

pack

of carbide and got our water from in the cave. The water drips on the
carbide creating a flammable gas, which is then burned by a flame above

the

gassing chamber. A mirror focuses the light ahead. These things are

rare,

but are really a great way to go. 1/2 a pack of carbide is heavy and hard
to carry, not to mention water, food, rope and other climbing supplies,

but

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for this you need big tunnels or tubes.

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List members,

Look at the above attachment, it contains some words from Adamski,
introduced by Daniel Ross. Adamski explains, as does Joseph H Cater, that
the heat and light which a planet enjoys is not a simple matter of linear
distance from the sun. Adamski explains that the majority of radiation from
the sun is in the ultraviolet band, and that it doesn't break down to the
visible frequencies, like sky blue, until it hits the atmosphere.

Mr. Cater explains the phenomenon by saying that much of the radiation from
the sun arrives as soft particles in ultra violet, and that the soft
particles break up into their constituent light- photons- as they pass
through the Earth's atmosphere. When they do break upinto their constituent
photons they also release hard particles, the ones which cause warmth.

So warmth and light in an atmosphere depend on the particular dynamics
created by the atnosphere, depending on the make up of the atmosphere and
the density of particles reaching the planet. Obviously, more particles
reach Mercury than Saturn, but by the time they reach Saturn, they are more
apt to break up into light and liberate their warmth-giving hard particles.

Posted by Dharma/Dean

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Re: [allplanets-hollow] The zone of heat
?
Frode,

Are you acting "devil's
advocate" with your questions below? Seems so. But 1000 meters
seems too close to the surface. Sharp research analyst and
"reporter" DAVID PRATT (in his excellent online book
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/inner1.htm)

writes that current orthodox BELIEFS about heat (and pressure)
CONTINUING to increase going MANY miles (or kilometers) deep, have
been contradicted. Pratt ably points out that "scientists" really
have NO CERTAIN knowledge about what this earth, its crust or its
center, consists of deeper than a very few miles. They have agreed
upon ASSUMPTIONS with which they INTERPRET (or MISinterpret) the only
"evidence" they have, seismic wave phenomena.

But I agree with you,
Frode, about a ZONE OF HEAT if one goes deeper, from 50 miles down
and beyond. If there exists a global MOLTEN layer (whatever
its depth and thickness) below the crust, TEMPERATURES in a that
molten layer will be enormous.

Either that deep layer
of super-hot molten matter exists or it does not.

If it exists (as I
believe) just HOW could any tunnelers from caves in Kentucky , Tibet
or anywhere short of heat free polar openings, travel down THROUGH
that molten matter? Impossible, it seems.

IF that deep molten matter
exists, I must logically partly agree with Frode's "devil's
advocate" P.S. possibility about ETIDORHPA: "The
simplest explanation is of course that the whole story is made up."(I write "partly" because parts of the story may be valid,
while other parts "made up" from the author's imagination.)

As I am still only SLOWLY reading
on screen the entire Etidorpha text kindly provided by Dean, I cannot
assess OVERALL what I agree or disagree with. But from the small
(bust significant) amounts I have read so far, I find some
"scientific" claims a bit faulty. For all the Etidorhpa entity's
seeming wisdom, he seems scantily informed about the various rock
strata composing this earth's crust. Or rather, the AUTHOR, a then
famous CHEMIST, I think Pratt labeled him (not a geologist), is
scantily informed. If Mr. Cater, who presumably is aware of the
author's geological knowledge lacks, continues to value ETIDORHPA as
THE GREAT BOOK, I am surprised. Or has Cater criticized parts?

Etidorhpa MAY ultimately
prove to contain many basic truths about earth's geological
nature. Hope it does because so many of you, including Mr. Cater,
appear to consider it of primary importance in providing
"evidence" that a hollow earth exists.

Concluding... If a deep,
GLOBAL molten layer does NOT exist, ETIDORHPA may be generally
accurate... and some tunnelers may have been able to penetrate the
MANY miles of crust and did reach the HE in the past.

Anyone believe no such deep
MOLTEN area exists?

   - Dick Fojut (an

admitted cynic)

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Frode wrote:

There seems to be something missing in
Etidorhpa. What about

the zone of heat? As one gets deeper into the crust of Earth it

should be getting hotter, and after some 1000 meters it should

be quite hot, actually unbearable hot. This zone of heat would

most likely be the greatest obstacle that one would encounter on

a journey like the one in Etidorhpa. So why did they not encounter

it?

Any ideas?

Frode

PS! The simplest explanation is of course that the whole story
is
made up. But let us forget that for a
while.

6

No need to worry about me. Being the fat boy that I am, I am not willing to
take very many chances. I only go where I can safely get back out of. And
since I don't believe in the big or little evil creatures I should be all
right. I do believe in friendly little people and know they will help a
fellow Gael if I should need it. But my belief in God will keep any evil
away should I actually be wrong since I bear the Holy Priesthood.

Will Rhea
[email protected]

p.s. I don't want to get into ANY debates over religion with ANYONE over the
above statement. It's part of my belief system and has no force of
compulsion on you or anyone else.

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on 05/31/2001 9:39 PM, Dean De Lucia at [email protected] wrote:

Will's words sound reasonable. And remeber that ventilation and running
streams could help to cool things down, too.

Be careful in those caves, Will.

7

Members-

I have put up this photographic Lunar atlas address on my site. Here is the
address: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/research/lunar_orbiter/

It is really a good resource.

Dharma/Dean aka DD

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Ya 'All,

Soft particles tend to break up at certain depths and release the hard
particles which give off heat. This might be why the heat picks up along
certain strata. Remember also that the soft particles accumulate, especially
along fault lines. This might also have something to do with zones of heat.

Soft particles practically define geological processes, this is why it is
important for us to understand soft particles in all their aspects, for
example, how they form. You can't go talking about how soft particles do
this and that if you can't define the process of their formation, and maybe
offer proof of their existence. Cater gave a good amount of background in
his book. He talked about the evidence offered by the investigations of
William Reich and Baron Von Reichenbach.

It's all in Mr. Cater's book:
http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/Authors/joseph_cater.htm

That site www.orgone.org is a good place to start, too. And the site of Dr.
James DeMeo http://www.orgonelab.org/miller.htm DeMeo substantiates the
Existence of ether. Orgone is formed from ether. Armed with this kind of
science, we can substantiate the hollow configuration with ease!

I really recommend the DeMeo article. it'snot too hard.

DD

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Members-

I'll probably be gone till Sunday night.

In Brazil, we are going to have rotation of electric energy, i.e.,
blackouts. They are unable to generate enough electricity and they have to
start shutting things down. There is a drought which has caused this, and
bad planning. This will probably go on until the rainy season begins around
the end of November. This might start to hamper my participation, effective
this month.

Oh well.

Later,

DD

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Re: [allplanets-hollow] The zone of heat ?
Mind you Dick & Frode, I am by no means a scientist, but what if the earth were like a bee hive per se. Honey-combed? Then perhaps there are pockets of hot molten, and other pockets that are free of it. I don't think the honey is in all of the hive, is it?

So, what areas do not have volcano's--these could be the areas, if they are any, that may be free of any fiery red rivers of molten.

A thought only, Leslee

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From:
Dick Fojut To: [email protected]

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:25 AMSubject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] The zone of heat ?

Frode,

Are you acting "devil's advocate" with your questions below? Seems so. But 1000 meters seems too close to the surface. Sharp research analyst and "reporter" DAVID PRATT (in his excellent online book http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/inner1.htm)

writes that current orthodox BELIEFS about heat (and pressure) CONTINUING to increase going MANY miles (or kilometers) deep, have been contradicted. Pratt ably points out that "scientists" really have NO CERTAIN knowledge about what this earth, its crust or its center, consists of deeper than a very few miles. They have agreed upon ASSUMPTIONS with which they INTERPRET (or MISinterpret) the only "evidence" they have, seismic wave phenomena.

But I agree with you, Frode, about a ZONE OF HEAT if one goes deeper, from 50 miles down and beyond. ** If there exists a global MOLTEN layer** (whatever its depth and thickness) ** below the crust, TEMPERATURES in a that molten layer will be enormous.**

** Either that deep layer of super-hot molten matter exists or it does not.**

** If it exists (as I believe) just HOW could any tunnelers from caves in Kentucky , Tibet or anywhere short of heat free polar openings, travel down THROUGH that molten matter? Impossible, it seems.**

IF that deep molten matter exists, I must logically partly agree with Frode's "devil's advocate" P.S. possibility about ETIDORHPA: ** "The simplest explanation is of course that the whole story is made up."** (I write "partly" because parts of the story may be valid, while other parts "made up" from the author's imagination.)

As I am still only SLOWLY reading on screen the entire Etidorpha text kindly provided by Dean, I cannot assess OVERALL what I agree or disagree with. But from the small (bust significant) amounts I have read so far, I find some "scientific" claims a bit faulty. For all the Etidorhpa entity's seeming wisdom, he seems scantily informed about the various rock strata composing this earth's crust. Or rather, the AUTHOR, a then famous CHEMIST, I think Pratt labeled him (not a geologist), is scantily informed. If Mr. Cater, who presumably is aware of the author's geological knowledge lacks, continues to value ETIDORHPA as THE GREAT BOOK, I am surprised. Or has Cater criticized parts?

Etidorhpa MAY ultimately prove to contain many basic truths about earth's geological nature. Hope it does because so many of you, including Mr. Cater, appear to consider it of primary importance in providing "evidence" that a hollow earth exists.

Concluding... If a deep, GLOBAL molten layer does NOT exist, ETIDORHPA may be generally accurate... and some tunnelers may have been able to penetrate the MANY miles of crust and did reach the HE in the past.

Anyone believe no such deep MOLTEN area exists?

     - Dick Fojut (an admitted cynic)

Frode wrote:

There seems to be something missing in Etidorhpa. What about
the zone of heat? As one gets deeper into the crust of Earth it
should be getting hotter, and after some 1000 meters it should
be quite hot, actually unbearable hot. This zone of heat would
most likely be the greatest obstacle that one would encounter on
a journey like the one in Etidorhpa. So why did they not encounter

it?

Any ideas?

Frode

PS! The simplest explanation is of course that the whole story is

made up. But let us forget that for a while.

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From:
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To: [email protected]

Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:41 AMSubject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] The zone of heat ?

Will--

``

`<But my belief in God will keep any evil

I know it will. `

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We'll miss you Dean, but if it's any consolation, rumour has it this 'energy
crisis' will be global and we should all suffer blackouts soon. All this
while they have already developed alternative free 'orgone'
energy...."Fools, fools, when will we ever learn, ha-ha-ha!" (quote from
Cremation of Care at Bohemian Grove.) Hazel

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Members-

I'll probably be gone till Sunday night.

In Brazil, we are going to have rotation of electric energy, i.e.,
blackouts. They are unable to generate enough electricity and they have to
start shutting things down. There is a drought which has caused this, and
bad planning. This will probably go on until the rainy season begins

around

the end of November. This might start to hamper my participation,

effective

this month.

Oh well.

Later,

DD

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Mind you Dick & Frode, I am by no means a scientist, but what if the earth were like a bee hive per se. Honey-combed? Then perhaps there are pockets of hot molten, and other pockets that are free of it. I don't think the honey is in all of the hive, is it?

So, what areas do not have volcano's--these could be the areas, if they are any, that may be free of any fiery red rivers of molten.

A thought only, Leslee

Leslee... You may be right. Thanks for the comment.
- Dick

14

Thanks for all the replies so fare. Arguments that were brought
up was: Ventilation in the caves, cooled by water streams, there
is not really an uniform zone of heat and a first hand experience
from deep caves being rather cold.

In Cater's book it is said "Mine shafts and oil drilling operations
have indicated significant increase of temperature with depth."
This is confirmed in even more details in Lamprecht's book. The
temperature actually seem to increase more rapidly then what
was expected, and in some cases the temperature even
decreased further down.

So the data indicate a zone of heat where the depth of it will wary.
And this zone can be explained by Cater's soft particles theory.
Soft particles made from photons above the visual range
disintegrate, and release hard electrons that agitates atoms to
produce infrared radiation as they pass through the first part of
the crust. Here I want to ask: What are there alternatives to
Cater's theory? Is there anything that indicates that the heat can
be due to radioactivity?

Back to caves again. Is there any known windy or breathing
caves? Could certain types of stone work as a heat insulator?
Could biological life take part in regulating the temperature in
caves as they do on the surface? What do we basically know and
not know about the world below our feet?

I am just thinking aloud.

Frode