Incredibly, we now have information that [All emphasis mine, below] THE
RUSSIANS HAVE FINALLY SUCCEEDED IN BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN SIBERIA AND
ALASKA THROUGH A VAST UNDERGROUND TUNNEL! (The Bering Sea between Alaska and
Asia is UNDER 100 miles wide at its narrowest point, so this would not be an
inconceivable undertaking - Branton)
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http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/lovecraft/175/omega.html</A>
Incredibly, we now have information that [All emphasis mine, below] THE
RUSSIANS HAVE FINALLY SUCCEEDED IN BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN SIBERIA AND
ALASKA THROUGH A VAST UNDERGROUND TUNNEL! (The Bering Sea between Alaska
and
Asia is UNDER 100 miles wide at its narrowest point, so this would not be
an
inconceivable undertaking - Branton)
The Bering Strait is only 18 miles wide. It wouldn't suprise me. But I don't
care because I don't live in Alaska.
# ; ^ )
Dharma/Dean
Dick,
It is so hard to respond to you because your pages don't have those little,
sideward triangles on the left-side margin.
Dean (from Dick Fojut .... Just read your email about the origin of the
Aryans. This email is therefore appropriate for the list, I think. I
realize you'd prefer that ALL the white, blond Aryans originated from the
north polar entrance. Maybe SOME did. Anything is possible.
Dean writes-
The race is clustered around the Eruorpean, Arctic coast, so I imagine so.
One way of understanding something is by looking at that which is next to it
or a step below. All of our examination of Arctic anomalies uses this logic.
Arctic warming, for example, suggests that there is a warmer clime on the
other side of the opening.
Dick writes-
But James Churchward thought differently. Read on and see if he can prove a
different origin. I said I'd get back to you (Jan and anyone else
interested) with supporting references for Churchward's notions about the
ARYANS, "The Aryan invasion," the UIGHURS, the Brahman sect (he disliked),
the NAGAS (the Naacal Priests he liked) and the MAYAS, etc. (Mayas weren't
ONLY in Central America). After a lot of scanning of text from Churchward's
book "Children of MU." and editing, I'm back!
Left off of this stuff is his notion (and language proofs) that SOME of
the fair skinned, blond people in Norway (Norsemen) and Scandanavia, arrived
there 50,000 years past in ships from Central America fleeing an invasion by
darker haired people (forefathers of the present Latins).
Dean Writes-
It is hard to interpret things 50,000 years later. But I will say one thing-
David Frawley is an indologist scholar, a linguist, and he wrote that one of
those Scandanavian languages, either Norwegian or Finnish, is not
Indo-European, and is similar to the language of the Dravidians in South
India, which are also similar to Japanese! He wonders how these far-flung
connections can be possible. But there is a lot about surface migration that
we don't know. I really think that a wave of migration from the hollow
protion arrived at one point and reinforced the Indo-European/Vedic culture
on the surface, even in terms of language. They could have come straight
down from the Arctic coast and come face to face with a previous group which
had migrated, the Dravidians, and could have spilled over to the side to
Europe, too.
The South Indian, Dravidian stock is also represented in the South Pacific-
the Aborigines of Austrailia. The was an anchor found off the coast of
austrailia with a Dravidian inscription on it; it is in a museum down
there/down under. So they interpret that India was the source of that
culture, too. But what if traffic was two-way, the other way being farther
back? What if migration form the South Polar opening, near or on Antartica,
spawned the Dravidian culture which once stretched from the South Pacific to
India?
India is still standing, so to speak, so they think that India must be the
source; but the Hollow Earth Theory shines new light on these findings.
Dick wrote:
According to Churchward, those fleeing in their ships were QUETZALS, led by
King Quetzal, mostly fair skinned, with many blondes. There was a LAND
BRIDGE existing then between France and Canada. They landed there first. Any
survivors, AFTER the land bridge sank (before Atlantis did) and the earlier
magnetic cataclysm that swept down over the North pole, may have became the
Scandanavians.
Dean write-
Well, I find the idea of vertical plate movement to be intriguing.
Continental drift allows for the idea that one plate digs under and lifts up
another, which could account for marine life forms in the Andes mountains
and such, but they are kind of mutually exclusive. Something else which I
find interesting is the idea of ocean surfaces being at different levels.
For whichever reason, I accpet the possibility of there having been land
bridges and continents in the past which disappeared beneath the level of
the ocean.
Listen, Dick- You practically e - mailed the list a book! In teresting
stuff, but it is mostly up to the list members to read as they like. I have
made a few comments on some of the more pertinent parts.
Dharma/Dean
List Members,
There is a drawing attached, from the book Eitdorhpa. The Man-Who-Did-It
left off the manuscript with the person who was supposed to have it printed,
who delegated the task to John Uri Lloyd. I guess the drawing was included.
Note how the drawing depicts the Northern opening- the outer sloping is
actually rather abrupt. The way that it opens out into the inner world is
actually very slanted and gentler.
Even from this drawing I get the idea that the opening is oblong, stretching
from above the New Siberian Islands over towards, but not reaching, the
Northern Magnetic Pole.
Dharma/Dean
Members,
More comments from gardner's book, about musk ox where they shouldn't be.
naturally, his comments are supportive of the theory of a polar orifice to
the hollow world.
You can get gardner's book for $23.00 at Health Research:
http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/categories/hollowearth.htm
Inform yourselves about the Hollow Earth theory. Gardner's book is dynamite
and easy reading. You'll be an Arctic expert after you read it.
Dharma/Dean
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Migration and
Mu
Dean... (Dick Responds about MU and
Churchward):
Sorry to be so long winded about
this, but as I wrote several times before, I have been MOST
impressed by Churchward's SCIENTIFIC
notions...especially:
HOW this planet was probably geologically created
from a hot nebula of elemental gases - with solidifying gases
forming the primary granite and secondary rocks - while volumes of
non-solidifying gases were left occupying giant chambers or bubbles
of explosive gases WITHIN the solidifying crustal rocks. The bubbles
occupied HALF the volume of early Earth's crust, according to
Churchward's estimate.
__ * HOW__ VOLCANIC GASES being
constantly worked upward out of Earth's center and crust by its
CENTRIFUGAL FORCE, overcompressed and blew out upper gas chambers
near the surface, resulting in MOST of Earth's past
"catastrophic" geologic land changes... emersions, submersions
and ocean depths.
* HOW and WHY the Source of Gravity is found at a "Friction
line" "dynamo" deep INSIDE the crust, not at Earth's
geographical center.
And particularly Dean, WHY there is is a GIGANTIC hollow in
the center of the Earth (and possibly all planets and Suns that
revolve on an axis). I am surprised that you, Jan, (Cater?)
and other HE believers do not seem to realize the IMPORTANCE of
Churchward's explanation about HOW that hollow came to be. In my
opinion, his explanation gives MORE credence to the existence of a
Hollow in the Earth than ANY other explanation I've heard yet - and
describes precisely, not vaguely, HOW a hollow came to exist in the
first place! Unfortunately, Churchward seemed ignorant of what
MAY have SUBSEQUENTLY developed within that hollow, once the free
gases "trapped" within it at Earth's creation, were LATER driven
out of the hollow into the upper crust. Too bad.
I think Churchward's explanations
and solid proofs about the above (and about much more concerning
the geology of earth) ARE FAR MORE PERSUASIVE than most of the
thin (in my opinion) "evidence" for the several piecemeal
geological theories embraced today by a majority of modern
physicists, geologists and orthodox universities. According to a
science mag I read years back, none of our space probes had so far
found any evidence of "TECTONIC PLATES," except on Earth! How
odd.
Be honest, the "evidence"
supporting any reality for Tectonic Plates (riding on that
"Vaseline" as my wife calls it) - and for Hapgood-style
Continents drifting far apart...or up and down (-OR the Earth
expanding like a balloon over 10 times to what it is today)... is
mighty "thin evidence."
Because a majority of little
orthodox thinking degreed followers rush to agree with the respected
big science "authorities" that embrace those theories, does not
make those theories FACTS about reality.
**BUT,** Dean**,**
when it comes to Churchward's OTHER mostly deductive (and
subjective) notions about the existence of and origins of ancient
nations and peoples, I am LESS impressed, but still
impressed. At least as impressed, or more impressed, than I have been
about the theories of many others I've so far read. And that
includes your own notion that the light skinned, blue eyed, blond,
"Aryans" all migrated in great numbers from a hollow earth
civilization via a north polar hole. I've just finished reading
(thanks to URLs from Machoarm) your interview with VNN, Vaishanava
News... and your interview on ONELIGHT.COM. You're quite a scholar
about Hindu literature! I now have a more complete idea about your
conceptions, especially ideas about Aryan origins.
**If I had NOT emailed Churchward's
ENTIRE chapters on INDIA and THE GREAT UIGHUR EMPIRE, I could not
have provided enough REFERENCES that support Churchward's Aryan and
Brahmin views that Jan and you requested. A FEW excerpts would have
been insufficient.** So I gave you (and the list) a LOT of
extra chapter text to reject or accept as each wishes. (Apologize for
not editing more first. Lot of Typos and some footnotes left inside
paragraphs).
Now
I also have some comments about YOUR comments
below... (in Red)
Dick,
It is so hard to respond to you because your pages don't have those
little,sideward triangles on the left-side margin.
Dean... (Dick responds): Little triangles? The
only time I've ever seen such is from a FEW incoming emails that got
badly formatted. Use EUDORA instead of IE and its competitor for
email. - DickDean (from Dick Fojut .... Just read your
email about the origin of theAryans. This email is therefore appropriate for the list, I
think. Irealize you'd prefer that ALL the white, blond Aryans originated from
thenorth polar entrance. Maybe SOME did. Anything is possible.
Dean writes-
The race is clustered around the Eruorpean, Arctic coast, so I
imagine so.One way of understanding something is by looking at that which is
next to itor a step below. All of our examination of Arctic anomalies uses this
logic.Arctic warming, for example, suggests that there is a warmer clime on
the
other side of the opening.
* Dean... (Dick
Responds to above):
The blond, blue-eyed
"race" may be NOW "clustered" around the European, "Arctic
coast" as you state but perhaps NOT so in the ancient past - IF
one can give ANY credence to Churchward about the Asian Uighurs
(originally from western MU) and the Central American Quetzals
(originally from eastern MU).
Please see the excerpts from
"Children of MU" further down about that. Recall from the Chapter
"Origin of Man" from the email I sent last where Churchward
claimed that of all the many colors and races on MU, the WHITE RACE
predominated. Migrating from overcrowded MU from East or West sides,
many of the colonists would be white and of them, many blonds or
"flaxen" haired. Long BEFORE they began to move in and multiply
in upper Europe - near the "Arctic coast."- Dick
Dick writes-
But James Churchward thought differently. Read on and see if he
can prove adifferent origin. I said I'd get back to you (Jan and anyone else
interested) with supporting references for Churchward's notions about
theARYANS, "The Aryan invasion," the UIGHURS, the Brahman sect
(he disliked),
the NAGAS (the Naacal Priests he liked)
and the MAYAS, etc. (Mayas weren'tONLY in Central America). After a lot of scanning of text from
Churchward'sbook "Children of MU." and editing, I'm back!
Left off of this stuff is his notion (andlanguage proofs) that SOME of
the fair skinned, blond people in Norway (Norsemen) and Scandanavia,
arrivedthere 50,000 years past in ships from Central America fleeing an
invasion bydarker haired people (forefathers of the present Latins).
Dean Writes-
It is hard to interpret things 50,000 years later. But I will say one
thing-David Frawley is an indologist scholar, a linguist, and he wrote that
one ofthose Scandanavian languages, either Norwegian or Finnish, is not
Indo-European, and is similar to the language of the Dravidians in
SouthIndia, which are also similar to Japanese! He wonders how these
far-flungconnections can be possible. But there is a lot about surface
migration thatwe don't know. I really think that a wave of migration from the
hollowprotion arrived at one point and reinforced the Indo-European/Vedic
cultureon the surface, even in terms of language. They could have come
straightdown from the Arctic coast and come face to face with a previous
group whichhad migrated, the Dravidians, and could have spilled over to the side
toEurope, too.
* Dean,,, (Dick Responds):
Frawley may be an excellent Indologist,
but did he ever mention the UIGHURS or the ancient UIGHUR empire? The
NAGAS and the NAGA empire? The NAACAL priests? Does he DENY the
"Aryans" moved down (inflitrated) into India from the mountains?
How did large numbers of people come to live in MOUNTAIN VALLEYS in
the first place? Only Churchward explains that. Aside from being
forced to by a catastrophe, why would any people in their right minds
choose to climb inhospitable mountains and take residence
there? Or is Frawley unaware of the prior EXISTENCE of most of
the above? Frawley seems to have never read James Churchward OR
the other past writers, like VALMIKI, whom Churchward liberally
quoted in the India and Uighur chapters I emailed to you. Or do YOU
too deny that the Aryans priorly lived in mountain valleys? And
prefer to conceive of them ALL migrating in vast numbers from a polar
hole, already equipped with their Puranas and other knowledge, ready
to educate ignorant India? That SEEMS to be your notion,
Dean.
Does Frawley believe the DRAVIDIANS ONLY preceded the ARYANS in
India? Also seems to be what you imply in your VNN interview and
earlier in emails to the list. Just WHEN does Frawley date the Aryans
entrance into India? Thousands of years? - or tens of thousands of
years past? Or does he deny that India had an advanced civilization
PRIOR to the Aryans? Does he deny India had an advanced civilization
25,000, 30,000, even 50,000 or more years in the past? Or do you? -
Dick
.
The South Indian, Dravidian stock is
also represented in the South Pacific-the Aborigines of Austrailia. The was an anchor found off the coast
ofaustrailia with a Dravidian inscription on it; it is in a museum
downthere/down under. So they interpret that India was the source of
thatculture, too. But what if traffic was two-way, the other way being
fartherback? What if migration form the South Polar opening, near or on
Antartica,spawned the Dravidian culture which once stretched from the South
Pacific toIndia?
* Dean... (Dick Responds): My
wife, a blue eyed, blonde Aryan of Scottish lineage, and former
Australian, agrees about Aborigines RESEMBLING some Dravidians she
has seen. But Churchward (on one of his
many maps of the ancient world) has the DRAVIDIANS migrating from the
southeast corner of MU through the Malay Island, then on to India.
From southern parts of MU, which occupied a vast stretch of the
Pacific, it was a relatively short distance to both New Zealand and
Australia for other small colonies, not just the MU
Dravidians.
Dean,
does EVERYTHING have to pop out of a polar hole, north or south? I'm
getting that impression from you.
From a
later chapter about JAPAN. Churchward wrote this:
"It is quite a popular belief, even
among educated people, that the Japanese are Mongols - they are
not. They are as distinct from a Mongol as a white man is from a
black. They have descended from the Quiche-Mayas of the Motherland,
one of the white tribes. The Japanese language today embodies fully
40 per cent of Quiche-Maya words."
Excerpts below (out of context) from Ch.7 about Western Europe in
Churchward's "Children of MU," which ties SCANDANAVIAN words with
DRAVIDIAN words just AS Frawley noted (Note third paragraph
especially)
"The
Central American tradition says that the Quetzals 'had milk white
skins, blue eyes and light, flaxen hair,' the characteristics of the
Scandinavians today. We have still some of the descendants of the
Quetzals here in America. Their villages are far back in the almost
impenetrable forests of Honduras and Guatemala. My best Quetzal
legends come from them, obtained through a friend who spent several
weeks in one of their villages. Their traditions go back to the time
the mountains were raised.
"The first men to settle on European soil were
Quetzals from Central America headed by their King Quetzal who had
been driven out of his own country by invaders who were later to
become the forefathers of our present-day Latin races. 'Some escaped
in their ships, others fled to the forests and were never heard of
again. Those who took their ships sailed away to a far-off country in
the direction of the rising sun. They prospered in their new country
and became great.' Such is the Central American tradition. They
apparently followed the coast line until they came to Scandinavia
where they settled. Unquestionably the spot where they landed is now
under the sea.
(My note: It was supposed to be the European
Land Bridge between France and Canada, they first landed on, that
later sank beneath the sea - BEFORE Atlantis sank, when the
Appalachian "feeder" gas belts formed that ran from the Eastern
U.S. to under Iceland, then on toward Europe)
**"In Norway there is today an ancient language called
Quanlan. From a piece of Quanlan writing which I have examined, I
find quite a number of words from the original language of Mu; other
words which have their roots in words from the language of Mu. But
what is most astonishing is that numerous words in the Quanlan
language are identical with words found in one of the Southern Indian
tongues and conveying identically the same meanings. It does not take
a strong imagination to connect Quanlan in Norway with Quetzal Land
in Central America.**
(My note again...According to
Churchward, the Quetzels in Central America originally settled there
after coming from the western side of MU. The original people on MU
(10 "tribes" living in separate areas) spoke the same language.
SOME of the darker people in southwestern MU emigrated through the
Amazon inland sea to the east coast of South America and on to
Atlantis and Aftica. Some of those colonists stayed on the east coast
of South America and some moved further north.)
"No possible date can be given to the arrival of the Quetzals in
Northwestern Europe except that it was before either Atlantis or
Southwestern and Southern Europe commenced to be settled, for all of
these regions were first settled by the people who came to America
and drove the Quetzals out. It was a long time after they drove the
Quetzals out before they could commence colonizing Atlantis and
Europe."
Dean, now shift to the DRAVIDIANS (or TAMILS) in Ch 12 about SOUTHERN
INDIA in Churchward's "Children of MU"... Just
excerpts...
**"The original people in Southern India were a black race called
Tamils. Ethnologists have also called them Dravidians from Dravida
the name which they gave to the southern part of the Hindu Peninsula.
Their original home was in the southwest of the Motherland. They came
to India by way of the Malay Islands - NOT through Burma as did the
Nagas. They must have come slowly through the Malay Islands because
much of their language is composed of Malayalam
words.**
"I have been unable to find any records that even hint at the time
when they came to India, whether before or after the Nagas, so this
question remains unanswered. The Tamil language is a very composite
language, being composed of Tamil, Telague, Canarasse and Malayalani.
The Tamil language is one of the Oriental languages that fifty years
ago I could read, write and speak as fluently as English.
*** "A.
V. Smith*** in his "History of India," says: 'Someday,
perhaps, the history of the Dravidian civilization may be written by
a competent scholar, skilled in all the lore and language required
for the subject. Early Indian history as a whole cannot be viewed in
true perspective until the non-Aryan institutions of the South
receive adequate treatment.'
"Smith is absolutely correct. A history of India without including
the Tamils is like a building without a window. I have gone through
many of the Southern temples in search of legends and tablets, but
never found anything about the very ancient. One record I came across
said, "A company of Tamils took ships and sailed in the
direction of the setting sun. They came to a great land where they
settled." There is no date given, nor are any details given of
any communication with them after they settled. Nothing is said about
their prosperity or even whether they survived, only the bare fact
that a company sailed and arrived safely at the other end. The
"great land" was presumably Africa."
Dean, I'm also
attaching 4 JPEGs of Churchward maps I've prepared that help to make
more sense of the text above (and below). They present Churchward's
notions about the movement of various people FROM MU to other parts
of the ancient world. Please look them over. - Dick
Dean wrote: India is still standing, so
to speak, so they think that India must be thesource; but the Hollow Earth Theory shines new light on these
findings.Dick wrote:
According to Churchward, those fleeing in their ships were
QUETZALS, led byKing Quetzal, mostly fair skinned, with many blondes. There was a
LANDBRIDGE existing then between France and Canada. They landed there
first. Anysurvivors, AFTER the land bridge sank (before Atlantis did) and the
earliermagnetic cataclysm that swept down over the North pole, may have
became the
Scandanavians. (mentioned in excerpt above)Dean write-
Well, I find the idea of vertical plate movement to be intriguing.
Continental drift allows for the idea that one plate digs under and
lifts upanother, which could account for marine life forms in the Andes
mountainsand such, but they are kind of mutually exclusive. Something else
which Ifind interesting is the idea of ocean surfaces being at different
levels.For whichever reason, I accpet the possibility of there having been
landbridges and continents in the past which disappeared beneath the
level ofthe ocean.
Dean... (Dick responds about the above):
Guess you didn't read one of my past emails
about the ruins of canal stones near Lake Titicaca and Tiahuanaco in
the Andes... surrounded by sea shells... now at 13,500 feet
altitude (See JPEG).
VERTICAL "plate" movement? Come on now. Why
would DEEP rocks (granites many millions of years old) be upthrust by
"plates" moving upward.... or even "plates" moving sideways
as most "plate" believers think? Why wouldn't the ENTIRE
area, the entire "plate," lift up evenly, whether VERTICAL or
from another "plate" first sliding underneath or pressing from
one side?
Also, (referring to standard plate
theory) if the Andes "plate" was "pushed" or squeezed upward
by pressure from a Pacific "plate" pressing from the Pacific
side, the entire range should have gone up evenly, in a north-south
line. And all peaks should have been of similar height. Are they? NO.
And out of the sides of all the Andes ranges, come smaller ranges at
other and right angles! How does a horizontal pressure from a
"plate" accomplish that? The same conditions are found with the
Himalayas. Please PICTURE IN YOUR MINDS the apparent fallacies in the
"plate" theories above.
**A BETTER explanation was
given by Churchward for mountains and mountain ranges.** Please
find and read his books! Super Hot Volcanic Gases being forced
laterally through subterranean, IRREGULARLY connected chambers
serving as OVERcompressed GAS BELT TUNNELS, RAISED THE ROCKS ABOVE
THEM into "mountain ranges." The upraised rocks are now too
resistant for additional uplifting. All the gases moving through the
gas belt tunnels toward their distant volcano SAFETY VALVES can now
do today, when the sides or roof of a belt collapses and temporarily
blocks the belt, is FORCE through, MELT through or FORGE around the
block. This vibrating action shakes the hell out of us on the surface
and we cry "EARTHQUAKE!" The deep belt may cause some of the
superficial vertical cracks we call :"FAULTS" to also shift
around. But they are not the cause, just secondary, complicating
effects, if Churchward was correct.
Churchward described the
tunnels of any particular gas "belt," though running generally in
a North-South direction with the Andes, the tunnels run as parallels,
loops running into and out of each other, under and over each other
and some would branch out in extensions to the sides. The mountain
ranges above "MIRROR" the variations of the tunnels below that
thrust them upward. CHOPPY.
Again, please
remember Churchward's concept of gas "bubble" chambers formed at
Earth's creation - HE THOUGHT OCCUPIED HALF THE CRUST'S
VOLUME -- (and the later connected chambers
forming lateral gas belt tunnels). This explains HOW so MANY CAVERNS
and PASSAGES and TUNNELS came to exist throughout Earth's
crust!
Has anyone a
BETTER explanation how they came to be? Many of those TUNNELS and
CAVERNS, especially beneath mountains and mountain ranges, have
become "extinct" or emptied of gases - or cut off from any new
gases flowing into them from below... for many thousands of
years.
IF earth's crust
(its so-called "mass") in actual REALITY still consists of
PRESSURE FILLED chambers of volcanic gases deep down (with some of
those higher up, now empty) all orthodox theories and formulas
about Earth's "mass" need revision, to say the least.
Deep down, Earth may be more like an unpressed CHEESE than a solid
crust (above the molten layer that is).
And IF, as HE
enthusiasts believe, apparently in agreement with Churchward, that
Earth's SOURCE of gravity is NOT at its geographical center, then of
course relatively deep chambers and tunnels may HOLD and not
collapse.
And IF you all
agree with Churchward that the true source of gravity is found
somewhere deep INSIDE the outer crust (Cater's version or
Churchward's), then yes, gravity MAY DIFFER if one could travel
downward through the crust from the outside surface - or
"upward" from a "surface" inside the HE to that point of
gravity somewhere inside the crust. - Dick
Listen, Dick- You practically e - mailed
the list a book! In terestingstuff, but it is mostly up to the list members to read as they like.
I havemade a few comments on some of the more pertinent parts.
Dharma/Dean
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Migration and Mu
* Dean... (Dick Responds about MU and Churchward):
Sorry to be so long winded about this, but as I wrote several times before, **I have been MOST impressed** ** by Churchward's SCIENTIFIC notions**...especially:
- HOW this planet was probably geologically created from a hot nebula of elemental gases - with solidifying gases forming the primary granite and secondary rocks - while volumes of non-solidifying gases were left occupying giant chambers or bubbles of explosive gases WITHIN the solidifying crustal rocks. The bubbles occupied HALF the volume of early Earth's crust, according to Churchward's estimate.
Dick,
I don't know if the idea of the crust of the Earth, resting on a " Bubble " of spirit, and this idea are mutually exclusive. I think that they can co-exist. For example, why couldn't a " bubble " of spirit spin?
__ * HOW__ VOLCANIC GASES being constantly worked upward out of Earth's center and crust by its CENTRIFUGAL FORCE, overcompressed and blew out upper gas chambers near the surface, resulting in MOST of Earth's past "catastrophic" geologic land changes... emersions, submersions and ocean depths.
Dick-
Some type of dynamic process of renewal must go on which accounts for the current geologic face of the Earth. Sea shells exist high in the Andes of Chile- they either get shoved up oby continental drift or there is vertical plate movement.
* **HOW** much later, around 15,000 years ago, RESISTANCE by the thickened and compacted upper crustal rock layers of Earth, forced the super hot volcanic gases to be moved LATERALLY, forging huge, long subterranean, miles deep, GAS TUNNELS searching for a weak spot in the rocks above. The great volumes of added gases OVERcompressed the tunnels, forcing up the tunnel "roofs" and along with them miles thick of rock layers above. The rock layers above the tunnels were only cracked (not burst open), but lifted bodily for many miles, falling back on each other to stay upright. We call them MOUNTAIN RANGES.
Dick-
Where these cracks are- the surface mountain ranges- cannot this correspond to tectonic plates? Lateral openings below, cracking mountains on the sides? There has to be some proces of renewal or else erosion would have done away with everything.
So far this is very interesting, I'll look at the rest later, I have been under time pressure.
Dean
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Migration and Mu
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