I don't contrain myself to strict scientific thought but realize that
the primary focus of this egroup is scientific. I respect your
pursuits and appreciate your endeavors. Dean, I sincerely hope that
someday an opening will be found to everyones satisfaction.
I've decided to un-subscribe. Best wishes to all.
Tuscan
Well,
I wouldn't say that the primary focus is scientific around here- I like to
talk about Olaf Jansen and Etidorpha, for example, what to speak of the
testimony of Polar explorers.
No need to be thin-skinned. If someone doesn't agree with you, don't worry
about it. You go on.
I have this trouble on another list. I don't agree with the boss over there,
and I've always brought up the end of the loyal opposition. Now I think that
guy hates me. If you get perceived as the eccentric one, don't worry about
it. Just go on being the loyal opposition.
Dharma/Dean
I don't contrain myself to strict scientific thought but realize that
the primary focus of this egroup is scientific. I respect your
pursuits and appreciate your endeavors. Dean, I sincerely hope that
someday an opening will be found to everyones satisfaction.I've decided to un-subscribe. Best wishes to all.
Tuscan
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Well,
I wouldn't say that the primary focus is scientific around here- I like to
talk about Olaf Jansen and Etidorpha, for example, what to speak of the
testimony of Polar explorers.No need to be thin-skinned. If someone doesn't agree with you, don't worry
about it. You go on.I have this trouble on another list. I don't agree with the boss over there,
and I've always brought up the end of the loyal opposition. Now I think that
guy hates me. If you get perceived as the eccentric one, don't worry about
it. Just go on being the loyal opposition.Dharma/Dean
Hi Dean,
What you mentions above can to some extent be regarded as evidences for the Hollow earth theory, especially the polar explorers who we know for sure to be real. All of them should in my opinion be taken seriously in a scientific pursuit of the HE theory. I would consider it unscientific to leave them out of the puzzle.
Regarding my reply to Tuscan: I am not as diplomatic as you Dean, so I hope you please tell me if I went to fare with that reply. You also Tuscan ( if you are still here), please take a jab back at me if you fell hurt. Better to get it out then to keep it back.
Life is just a great game anyway! (At least that is what a plant from the Amazonas told me)
Frode
Frode,
You are right about polar evidence being scientific evidence. I mean, all
Nansen did was gather samples, take water temperatures, etc.
About you and Tuscan- thee is only one way in which a list functions. A
person puts his idea out there, and it is open to discussion. The idea
usually stands or falls on its merit. It's like I said, if you have an idea
or a theme, you just go with, even if you end up being the loyal opposition.
This is a special list because this list highlights Cater. It is practically
imposible to justify the HE understanding asccording to the generally
accepted parameters of physics. Here we have an environment which is
conducise to helping us nurture the type of scientific understanding which
allows us to establish and justify HE geological phenomena with ease. It is
a priviledge for us to be able to do this, so we should take advantage.
Even if one's major thrust is mystic, then this is the ONLY place to be,
even more so. After all, what is mysticism- voo doo? Hocus pocus? I think
not. Mystic approaches to any phenomena are also a part of reality, it is
just that they aren't usually understood, and are often falsely manipulated.
The situation is much like the wizard of Oz- behind the curtain, he says: "
The great Oz has spoken!" Everyone trembles, of course. But mysticism is
just a matter of subtle science. We see the gods and yogis described in the
Hindu literatures as manipulating mateial nature in this way, that they
levatate, read thoughts, make predictions, manifest matter, bring things
from far away places, etc. And we hear of close encounter UFO testimony
saying the same thing, only this time it's about the skinny guys with
bulbous heads and wrap around eyes. Are they mystic saints? Not! But they
understand that, just as there are particles of matter in the visible band,
forming the world around us, there are also lower frequency particles which
are acting in ways which we haven't noticed. It isn't that hard to
understand, it isn't that far out. It is much harder to to gyrate and try
to explain the phenomena which we can't understand, first this way and then
that way. Low frequency soft particles explain all occult, mystic and
scientific phenomena.
Let's be the Marine Corp. of the hollow Earthers, you know, a few good men
( and ladies- At least, I hope the ladies are good! ). Jan Lamprecht wrote
that whole book on the hollow Earth, and once he left the area of
interpreting observed phenomena, he descended to the platform of open ended
conjecture, rhetorical questions, and a couple of badly done conclusions.
Without the finer and more subtle science which soft/low frequency particles
offer, the Hollow Earth Theory can't even offer a cohesive geological model!
I kept knocking the theories of geology on the configuration of our planet
with one geology student from the University of Florida. He kept telling me
" Ok, what is Jan's model?" But there isn't such a cohesive, complete model
in Jan's book. The presentation is more like disparate speculation that only
go so far. We can't even understand how individual physical processes come
about without a soft particle understanding, what to speak of a complete
understanding. The only group looking at geo processes, trying to understand
the HET in a context which can offer cohesive explanations, is us. Cater
isn't active anymore. If somebody doesn't step up and carry the torch, it is
going to get extinguished
So whether your initial interest was from the platform of meditation and
ethereal travel, pure science and physics, curiosity or whatever, now is the
time to feel a sense of urgency and get Cater's book. You have to read it
and come to the understandings for yourselves. There are people around who
can help because they've already started, and Cater, although elderly, is
still around , too. So somebody do something, EXCEPT get whacked out of
shape.
One thing that all of you can do is bring in another member or two. There is
strength in numbrs. One ball of light isn't so hard to stamp out. Many balls
of light are hard to deal with. And direct people to appropriate pages of
that web site. And why don't you all start thinking about putting up some
things on the web?
Dharma/Dean
What you mentions above can to some extent be regarded as evidences
for the Hollow earth theory, especially the polar explorers who we
know for sure to be real. All of them should in my opinion be taken
seriously in a scientific pursuit of the HE theory. I would consider
it unscientific to leave them out of the puzzle.Regarding my reply to Tuscan: I am not as diplomatic as you Dean, so
I hope you please tell me if I went to fare with that reply. You
also Tuscan ( if you are still here), please take a jab back at me
if you fell hurt. Better to get it out then to keep it back.Life is just a great game anyway! (At least that is what a plant from
the Amazonas told me)
Frode
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Hey All,
I was thinking that we could touch on the topic of gravity again as gravity
is the physical issue that makes or breaks the hollow Earth theory, outside
of a helocopter tour, that is.
The obstacle is this- The Newtonian concept, which relates gravity to
density of mass, is anethema to the HET. This is because, according to
Newton, the central point of gravity is the center of a sphere, such that a
person standing on the inner surface of a planet would fall to the center of
the cavity. That wouldn't work, would it.
Newtonian gravity stipulates that gravity's pull stretches through the Earth
because there is amass, obviously, throughout the shell. But the behavior of
tides suggests that this is not so. ( I'll do tides later. )
Any true scheme of gravity would have to explain why clouds don't fall, as
they contain heavy mass and density, but float. Scientists do not accept
that electrostatic force causes gravity because they haven't yet recognized
low frequency charges. Nor do they understand how it is that low frequency
charges are imbued within clouds such that the phenomenon of clouds floating
is a matter of repulsion, nor do they understand how matter is imbued with a
positive charge such that matter is attracted by the electrostatic force of
gravity. Cater explains all of this very well in his book, The Ultimate
Reality.
As is typical with Cater, we see how various types of issues are all
reconcilled by one explanation. In this case, the mystic feat of levitation,
the scientific question of floating clouds and various hollow Earth
questions are all explained.
Here is something on gravity from my article Mystic Perfections Vindicated,
Easy Journey Revisited:
Another well-known mystic siddhi is that of levitation. There is an
illustrative narration from the tenth canto of the Bhagavat Purana about how
Chitralekha, through her mysticism, was able to help her friend Usa to find
the love of her heart. Chitralekha's mysticism invokes the idea of a magic
carpet ride. I quote from the Krsna Book, by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami,
Prabhupada:
" Banasura had a very beautiful daughter, whose name was Usa. When she had
attained the age of marriage and was sleeping amongst her many girl friends,
she dreamt one night that Aniruddha was by her side and that she was
enjoying a conjugal relationship with him, although she had never actually
seen him nor heard of him before. She awoke from her dream exclaiming very
loudly, ' My dear beloved, where are you? ' Being exposed to her other
friends in this way, she became a little bit ashamed. One of Usa's girl
friends was Citralekha, who was the daughter of Banasura's prime minister.
Citralekha and Usa were intimate friends, and out of great curiosity
Citralekha asked, ' My dear beautiful princess, as of yet you are not
married to any young boy, nor have you seen any boys until now; so I am
surprised that you are exclaiming like this. Who are you searching after?
Who is your suitable match?'
On hearing Citralekha's inquiries, Usa replied, ' My dear friend, in my
dream I saw a nice young man who is very, very beautiful. His complexion is
swarthy, his eyes are just like lotus petals, and he is dressed in yellow
garments. His arms are very long, and his general bodily features are so
pleasing that any young girl would be attracted. I feel much pride in saying
that this beautiful young man was kissing me, and I was very much enjoying
the nectar of his kissing. I am sorry to inform you that just after this he
disappeared, and I have been thrown into the whirlpool of disappointment. My
dear friend, I am very anxious to find this wonderful young man, the desired
lord of my heart.'
After hearing Usa's words, Citralekha immediately replied, ' I can
understand your bereavement, and I assure you that if this boy is within
these three worlds--the upper, middle and lower planetary systems--I must
find him for your satisfaction. If you can identify him from your dream, I
shall bring you peace of mind. Now, let me draw some pictures for you to
inspect, and as soon as you find the picture of your desired husband, let me
know. It doesn't matter where he is; I know the art of bringing him here.
So, as soon as you identify him, I shall immediately arrange for it.'
Citralekha, while talking, began to draw many pictures of the demigods
inhabiting the higher planetary systems, then pictures of the Gandharvas,
Siddhas, Caranas, Pannagas, Daityas, Vidyadharas and Yaksas, as well as many
human beings. (The statements of Srimad-Bhagavatam and other Vedic
literature prove definitely that on each and every planet there are living
entities of different varieties. Therefore, it is foolish to assert that
there are no living entities but those on this earth.) Citralekha painted
many pictures. Among those of the human beings was the Vrsni dynasty,
including Vasudeva, the father of Krsna, Surasena, the grandfather of Krsna,
Sri Balaramaji, Lord Krsna and many others. When Usa saw the picture of
Pradyumna, she became a little bashful, but when she saw the picture of
Aniruddha, she became so bashful that she immediately lowered her head and
smiled, having found the man she was seeking. She identified the picture to
Citralekha as that of the man who had stolen her heart.
Citralekha was a great mystic yogini, and as soon as Usa identified the
picture, although neither of them had ever seen him nor knew his name,
Citralekha could immediately understand that the picture was of Aniruddha, a
grandson of Krsna. That very night, she traveled in outer space and within a
very short time reached the city of Dvaraka, which was well-protected by
Krsna. She entered the palace and found Aniruddha sleeping in his bedroom on
a very opulent bed. Citralekha, by her mystic power, immediately brought
Aniruddha, in that sleeping condition, to the city of Sonitapura so that Usa
might see her desired husband. Usa immediately bloomed in happiness and
began to enjoy the company of Aniruddha with great satisfaction.
The palace in which Usa and Citralekha lived was so well fortified that it
was impossible for any male to either enter or see inside. Usa and Aniruddha
lived together in the palace, and day after day the love of Usa for
Aniruddha grew four times upon four times. Usa pleased Aniruddha with her
valuable dresses, flowers, garlands, scents and incense. By his bedside
sitting place were other paraphernalia for residential purposes--nice drinks
such as milk and sherbet and nice eatables which could be chewed or
swallowed. Above all, she pleased him with sweet words and very obliging
service. Aniruddha was worshiped by Usa as if he were the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. By her excellent service, Usa made Aniruddha forget
all other things and was able to draw his attention and love upon her
without deviation. In such an atmosphere of love and service, Aniruddha
practically forgot himself and could not recall how many days he had been
away from his real home." [ How 'bout that! ]
The complete story is under chapter 62. Krishna Book- Table of Contents
One thing that we can immediately conclude, which is more a matter of being
just plain obvious more than anything else, is that every young lady- and I'
m sure that the readers will agree with me when I say that EVERY young lady-
needs a friend like Chitralekha!
An understanding of gravity is a context for understanding the phenomenon of
levitation. Mr. Cater has expounded on the cause and nature of gravity as an
electrostatic force which exhibits repulsion throughout his book The
Ultimate Reality. Specifically, gravity is a negative charge, and levitation
involves imbuing an object with another negative charge such that repulsion
occurs. Mr Cater has explained the electrostatic " how and why " behind the
phenomenon of levitation, in other words, antigravity, in his book The
Awesome Life Force, on page 150:
" The Phenomenon Of Levitation
It is now apparent that gravity is an electrostatic effect, not some space
warp or mysterious force with imponderable properties depicted by orthodox
physicists. It follows that if matter is impregnated with sufficient
quantities of negative charges, especially soft electrons, it will become
weightless and even levitate. Some " adepts " [ like Chitralekha! ] in the
occult arts have demonstrated this ability on occasion. In spite of this,
and the experimental evidence showing that negative charges are repelled by
a gravitational field, conventional theorists continue to ignore it, and
assume that gravity acts indiscriminately on all things alike. Once again,
this is to be expected. If orthodox scientists recognized the reality of
such things, they would automatically have to abandon nearly all the
concepts they hold dear.
Some individuals seem to have the ability to do the reverse of levitation
and impregnate their bodies with an abnormal positive charge by perhaps
expelling large quantities of negative charges from their bodies. They make
themselves inordinately heavy by this means. A certain dwarf who had a
normal weight of 123 pounds could increase his weight to 900 pounds. He
demonstrated his ability on television under rigouous fraud-control
conditions. In fact, one famous strong man who lifted him up was unable to
hold him when he decided to increase his weight to 900 pounds. During this
perilous turn of events, our scientists once again showed admirable exposure
and resourcefulness. They remained silent.
Missile Loss in Space Explained
The physics of levitation was demonstrated in part when missles were found
to have lost most of their original weight after traveling through the Van
Allen Radiation Belt and returning to Earth. The mystery deepened when this
weight loss continued for some time, and containers in which pieces of the
missile were placed also lost weight. This event was hushed up in keeping
with standard policy concerning things which are damaging to orthodox
concepts. The radiation belts contain high concentrations of negative
charges of all kinds, from hard electrons to the very soft ones.
The missile became impregnated with negative charges as it passed through
this region. [ Since the charges ] are of varying types, it was able to
absorb an abnormal quantity. The more penetrating softer particles opened
the door for the harder particles to enter. A similar principle is involved
in the operation of a transformer .... Because the missile continued to lose
weight, and was evidently losing particles which originally caused it to
lose weight, a paradox arises. The loss of weight of the container in which
pieces of the missile were placed, means that the pieces were discharging
some of the negative charges they had picked up in the radiation belt, and
were then absorbed by the container."
Apparently, Chitralekha was able to modulate the type and frequency of
electrostatic charge which permeated her body and levitate. She probably
accomplished this by opening certain chakras.
I was looking through my book collection today and stumbled on
this photo in "Subterranean Worlds Inside Earth" by Timothy Green
Beckley. It is supposed to be a photo of the North Pole hole.
I've posted it here temporarily:
http://www.ideapo.com/hole.png (2.1megs)
http://www.ideapo.com/hole.bmp (2.6megs)
(Most newer browsers should be able to view a PNG file.)
Jeff
Jeff Frohwein wrote:
I was looking through my book collection today and stumbled on
this photo in "Subterranean Worlds Inside Earth" by Timothy Green
Beckley. It is supposed to be a photo of the North Pole hole.
I've posted it here temporarily:
...or it's another satellite photo that shows no clouds existing
in a perfectly circular area like the one that was on USA Today's
web site earlier today.
Why there would be a perfectly round circle containing no clouds
but surrounded by clouds is confusing to me.
Jeff
Jeff,
This is the photo which Jan Lamprecht calls a montage. Since the whole photo
outside of the supposed hole is light, this means that it was taken at
different times and pieced together, except that the dark part remained
obscured by the Arctic night.
I suspect that it's not the real Mc Coy, although it is always good to
consider these things.
Dean
Jeff,
I missed this photo in the USA Today site. Did you copy it?
Your logic below is, of course, infalible!
Dean
...or it's another satellite photo that shows no clouds existing
in a perfectly circular area like the one that was on USA Today's
web site earlier today.Why there would be a perfectly round circle containing no clouds
but surrounded by clouds is confusing to me.Jeff
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Dean wrote:
I missed this photo in the USA Today site. Did you copy it?
Your logic below is, of course, infalible!
Why sure. 
The first one is the alaska photo that
Ralph posted earlier today I think. The second one
below is a view of Canada and you can barely see the
same cloud circular edge.
I personally got these from USAToday's web site myself.
Jeff
Ralph,
Now I see it, the circular edge of clouds. I really don't think that the
edge is natural.
I guess that air current blowing out of the hole, with equal force on all
sides, could account for it. That type of blowing could be caused by a
buildup of soft particles in the inner cavity; they blow out with greater
force, and more sustained force, due to sunspot activity. Low frequency
particles will shoot right through the shell of the Earth because their
frequency is so different from that of the matter which comprises the Earth-
on the atomic level, there are huge spaces which exist between the
fundamental particles of the matter which make up the Earth. When the soft
particles shoot out they cause the air currents because they drag the air
with them due to ele etrostatic attraction. Cater explains the mechanism of
the electrostatic attraction in the book, I won't go off on a tangent.
In a way, it is enough to realise that air blowing out of the hole with
equal force is enough to cause the circular edge, but it is good to
understand the remote cause. Only comprehension of how soft particles
function can provide a complete understanding.
I've had trouble inserting this understanding into Hollow Earth circles, I
imagine because everyone is attached to their own theories. I am not so
resistant like that, I am rather pliable. If you figured it out, I'll go
along in good faith. That's why I've been able to assimilate Cater. I
appreciate it that you all lend an ear on this list. Until I started this
list, I felt like I was walking through a dark forest surrounded by
eyeballs.
Later,
Dean
Dean wrote:
Ralph,
Now I see it, the circular edge of clouds. I really don't think that the
edge is natural.
I'm thinking it might just be the location of the weather satellite(s)
and that these are not actual photos. You can see the same affect today:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/satpic/wsatusaa.htm
If it's a generated photo instead of an actual photo then anything is
possible. I realize that adding the atmosphere halo around the edge is
probably not cut & paste stuff but with the tools these days I don't
rule it out. They could be reconstructing clouds everywhere but at the
North Pole. Possibly because they aren't able or chose not to weather
satellite scan that area.
If everytime one go's to that web site you only see zero clouds in that
area then that would lend credibility to the generated photos theory.
But, who knows for sure.
Jeff
Members,
Here is something that I just got from Mr. Cater:
" Gravity in the inner Earth is about 1/3 of what it is on the outside. This
is a big reason things grow so large in the interior. One reason the giants
in the interior never venture to the outsideis because they would have
difficulty getting around since they would experience about three times the
gravity that they are accustomed to. It is strange that Olaf never mentioned
the gravity condition in the interior."
Gravity as an electrostatic charge would diminish the deeper one penetrated
the inner shell, and even as it built up heading back towards the inner
surface, it would have no cause to to build up to the same strength as it is
the rays of the sun at the initial point of contact with the surface which
cause such intense gravity.
Again, without understanding that the gravity charge is in the soft particle
frequency, there is no way that one can perceive gravity, or know how it
behaves at this depth or the other, in the first place. Soft particle
understanding is the key to vindicating the hollow Earth Theory.
Dean
From the book Etidorhpa:
On page 201 we can see that, the deeper the pair penetrated the Earth's
shell, the less exhaustive was simple movement thanks to a diminuition of
gravity:
" ... we had been rapidly walking, or I should better say advancing, for we
no longer walked as men do, but skipped down into the Earth, down, ever
downward. ... I was sensible of a marked decrease of muscular energy
required to carry us onward, and I realized that my body was quite exempt
from weariness. Motion became restful instead of exhausting, and it seemed
to me that the ratio of the loss of weight, as shown by our free movements,
in proportion to the distance we traversed, was greater than formerly. The
slightest exhibition of propelling force cast us rapidly forward. Instead of
the laborious, short step of upper earth, a single leap would carry us many
yards. A slight spring, and with our bodies in space, we would skip several
rods, alighting gently, to move again as easily. I marveled, for, although I
had been led to anticipate something unusual, the practical evidence was
wonderfully impressive, and I again questioned my guide.
We are now nearing what physicists would call the center of gravity," he
replied, arid our weight is rapidly diminishing. This is in exact accordance
with the laws that govern the force called gravitation, which, at the
earth's surface, is apparently uniform, though no instrument known to man
can demonstrate its exact variation ... as we descend into the Earth."
Dharma/Dean
