Scientific support!

Hi all,

The following mail on a hollow earth email group made me curious:

Hello. My name is Norlan Jacobs. I am a professional educator. I have
researched the Hollow Earth Theory for over 30 years. I have discovered some
amazing facts and deduced some very interesting conclusions on the scientific
support for the Hollow Earth concept. I have often lectured on the topic to
gatherings of science and physics students and instructors. I have debated
with physicists on the instability and improbability of Newtonian Laws on
which modern physics is based. I have researched out scientific defenses for
the Hollow Earth Theory from discoveries in Quantum Mechanics to the
discoveries in global catscans. I have deduced and predicted phenomena which
have puzzled even the chairman of M.I.T.'s Physics Department. And I have
woven the facts and mysteries of dozens of disciplines and resources into a
fascinating scenario, of just what we are dealing with in the actual
cosmogony of the earth and its inhabitants.
I must say that I had great hopes in discovering a Hollow Earth web site, but
I am disappointed in the simplistic and carnival nature of what I have seen
so far on the site. Although there is much to be said on the subject of
telepathic communication, it is not the main process by which communication
or discussion can take place with those who might be located within, or know
about, a Hollow Earth reality.
I wish there were a more serious and professional approach to the discussion
of this topic at this site. The H.E.Theory is very defendable and arguable
at the highest level of education. Unfortunately, it appears to be the
astral plane headquarters of a great many individuals who don't take the
concept seriously, and only use it for the basis of self-gratification and
charlatan propaganda. Would serious investigators please respond to this
observation to let me know that there are others who have approached this
topic with a sincere scientific yearning for truth. Thank you.
Norlan Jacobs, [email protected]

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I asked for more information and here is his very interesting reply:

Thank you Frode for responding to my plea. I am not informed enough about
the soft-particle theory to be able to comment on its validity at this time.
So, I would appreciate more information on it or resources which will allow
me to study it further.
However, it is not necessary to develop a "new" approach or concept of matter
to come to the conclusion that planets are created hollow, including earth.
The answer lies in the well-documented discovery that Newton's Laws are
wrong. Isaac Newton took Kepler's Laws of the Universe as the basis for his
work on gravity and its relationships. Kepler's six formulas were equations
that simply explained the balance of all things and their relationships. In
the process of deciphering Kepler's laws, Newton made a fatal error. He
dropped a square sign, either intentionally or by accident, on one of the
factors on one side of one of the equations which pertained to his work. The
book "Newton's Laws Are Full of Flaws" by Cluff, gives a complete account of
this discovery, written by a Physics Teacher who got tired of having his
students come up to him asking why Newton's Formulas didn't work! He decided
to research it out and came to this conclusive discovery! All of modern
physics are based on Newtonian Law, and academic physicists treat it as
gospel. They ignore the contradictions it presents and go on trying to
blissfully explain it away. They have also based their entire focus of
research and dedication to proving and adhering our understanding of why
things are the way they are to fit Newtonian Law.
The assignment given to the mass of the earth and the power of gravitational
force are all derived from, and are in keeping with Newtonian Laws. (Which
are wrong) Thus, the conclusions that gravity is of a lesser strength, and
that this solid massive mass of this concocted cosmogony of the earth that is
required to support the incorrect notions of Newton, was all derived from an
incorrect formula. THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE syndrome. It has led to the
"let's create the facts to support the theory" approach to explaining the
structure of our earth. It is fascinating to follow this domino effect
through the discoveries of mankind, and to see how the information we have
has been molded into the model we have of the earth's cosmogony to fit the
Newtonian theory rather than fit the facts.
Cluff writes his book from a purely mathematical approach, while using his
correctly discovered Kepler formula to prove his deductions he comes up with
some amazing conclusions that are so astonishingly applicable to the H.E.
Theory. The brief and basic conclusions he draws flow in this manner:
Newtonian Law worked fine here on this earth until we started exploring
space. Then this completely accepted basis for our understanding of physics
started to become exposed. According to Newton's Laws, the Sun has more
gravitational pull on the Moon than does the Earth. Of course, this is
impossible. Tidal influences, the high and low tides of our oceans, as they
actually are, don't fit Newtonian formulas at all.
The average weight of the earth, terra firma, dirt and rocks, averages 5.5
grams per cubic centimeter. This we know as fact. However, with the actual
size that we know the earth to be this is not nearly enough weight to support
Newtonian Theory. Thus, when seismographic studies revealed the three layers
of the earth's cosmogony, physicists jumped at this opportunity to interject
their suppositions to fit their gospel.
The three layers were designated as the mantle (dirt), the inner layer, and
the central core. The inner layer was a puzzlement. According to the
science of seismology, seismographic waves do not travel through liquid. The
entire inner layer of the earth does not reflect these waves, thus indicating
it's liquid (or gaseous) nature. But water, which weighs less than dirt does
not work for physicists because it's not nearly heavy enough. Thus the
molten lead concept was derived! Not based on any shred of fact that the
earth is full of molten lead, but based only on the notion of preserving
Newtonian Law. The molten lead would satisfy the liquid nature of the inner
layer, while providing the weight needed to help satisfy Newtonian formula
requirements. However, this assignment of molten lead still did not
completely satisfy the weight requirement. The out, was that the inner core
would make up for that shortfall. It would have to be impervious to the some
4000 degrees required to liquefy lead, and be heavy enough to make up for the
weight needed to balance the Newton formula. Thus, the infamous Titanium
ball at the central core of our planet concept. Nothing like it in the
universe that we've observed, but here is this 600 mile diameter titanium
ball bearing floating around in space, collecting molten lead around it, and
then this comfortable layer of insulative dirt gets attracted to it, which in
turn attracts this thin layer of gas to create our atmosphere. What a bunch
of BUNK. But, it satisfies Newton's Laws so it has been presented as fact
from the scientific world and crammed down our throats throughout our
education systems ever since it was spawned by the Newtonian loyalists. We
observed the formulation of planets in the universe. We see the steps the
process takes, which starts with a smaller central star that attracts gaseous
and particulate matter around it in a spiral nebula, which eventually
condenses around the star, and eventually solidifies into a planet structure.
  We observe these phases in the heavens, the Lira Nebula being one of those
phases which has this smaller central star that can be occasionally seen
through the naturally formed polar openings of its solidifying crust. This
process is observed and documented as the birth of a planet, yet it does not
fit our Newtonian demagoguery, and so, it does not apply to how our planet
Earth must have been formed.
Now, getting back to the Cluff book. His discovery and application of the
corrected Law of Kepler, and the corrected Newtonian Law, rectifies the
incongruities of the applied law to actual facts. Tidal influences exactly
correspond, the Earth has more gravitational pull on the Moon than does the
Sun and so forth and so on. Cluff's calculations also show that the Force of
Gavity has also been shortchanged by the Newtonian Physicists. Gravity is a
much stronger force than we think, because the influence that the mass of
objects has on one another requies much less mass for the same influence than
previously surmised. In fact, the amazing conclusion that Cluff derives from
his discoveries, is that the 5.5 grams per cubic centimeter that we know the
mantle of the earth to weigh, is way to heavy to comply with the newly
corrected formula. Cluff concludes that the gravitational influence of the
Earth's mass that fits perfect inot all the new calculations would require
that the EARTH MUST BE HOLLOW. The known mantle of the Earth's mass is
sufficient for the weight required to comply with the new formulaic
calculations. The earth's inner core is not molten lead, nor is it required
to be so according to some misconception. It is a gaseous atmosphere, and
gas has the same properties as liquid, because gas is just a finer, lighter
liquid. The central core is not a sudo-required ball of titanium, but a
central sun which was the core of forming our Earth as are all other planets
formed.
A new physics is not required to perfectly explain the Hollow Earth Theory,
only a corrected understanding of the knowledge we've already been given.
Hope this helps to explain my approach an understanding of the issue.
Norlan Jacobs

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I asked if he knew about Cater, but he didn't. It will be interesting to see if his and Cater's work confirm with each other. I will keep you updated.

Frode

List Members,
August 14, 2000

You all know that one of my themes in relation to the Hollow Earth Theory is
that the Puranic narrations naturally made some comments about the hollow
portion of the Earth, of the nature of comments in passing, as if such a
world were already understood.

In my article Hollow Earth in the Puranas, I explain this, and offer two
Puranic stories as evidence. http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/
I have recently found a third narration which offers strong evidence in this
regard.

I am referring to the Ninth Canto, Sixteenth Chapter, Texts 19 - 21, of the
Bhagavatam. The pastime involves Shree Parasurama. The 19th text says that
he confronted the warrior caste 21 times and rid the face of the Earth of
them. The word Prithivim was used, and has been translated by Bhaktivedanta
Swami, Prabhupada, in this way.

Then it is explained that Parasurama distributed the eight points of the
compass to certain rishis. This only makes sense as He seemed to be
disgusted with the warrior caste. Rishis are different- they are members of
the priestly caste. For example, they are tolerant, intellectual, they
practice goodness, etc.

After mentioning the eight points of the compass and the rishis whom
received lordship over these areas, " madhyayatah " was mentioned,
and that it was distributed to Kashyapa Rishi. Well, madhya means, straight
and simple, in Sanskrit, " the middle." So while adopting a descriptive tone
of narration, and after having mention the surface or the " face "of the
world, the Bhagavata Purana went on to mention the middle portion,
practically in the same breath.

In my humble opinion, this narration about the avatar Parasurama is directly
indicative of the Hollow Earth Theory.

Yours Truly,

Dharmapada Dasa/Dean De Lucia

Frode,

The coronal mass ejections took from the 9th till the 12th to cause an
ejection fierce enough to be visible. Why so long? Don't these radiations
travel faster than that?

I don't know, just asking.

Dean/Dharmapada

http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/08/14/auroras/index.html

Frode,

The coronal mass ejections took from the 9th till the 12th to cause an
ejection fierce enough to be visible. Why so long? Don't these radiations
travel faster than that?

I meant to say " to cause a display to be visible.

"DD

···

I don't know, just asking.

Dean/Dharmapada

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Frode,

The coronal mass ejections took from the 9th till the 12th to cause an
ejection fierce enough to be visible. Why so long? Don't these radiations
travel faster than that?

These radiations are not photons of light, but particles. That's why they call them mass ejections. I guess you could call them plasma ejections. Does this answer why they take some time?

Frode

···

I don't know, just asking.

Dean/Dharmapada

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Frode and all,

I re-wrote some of that ether article, and took out some of that stuff about
radiation as sound. Sound isn't the only thing that can manipulate ether, so
I shouldn't have made such a jump.

http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index11.html

The higher frequency ethers might correspond to sound in the sense that the
Puranas use the word.

Catch you all later,

Dean

Ether in the Yogi tradition is one of the 5 elements, as I'm sure you know. The
Sidhi practices (development of special abilities, or powers) instruct in how
to relate to ether in consciousness to produce levitation and eventually flying
through the air.
May be of interest to some here!
I have a background in Transcendental Meditation and the TM-Sidhi program, taken
from the ancient yogic tradition of India, and so I have learned a lot about the
Vedic and other traditions of India, It is very interesting to me to read about
the relationship of Hollow Earth to the Puranas and other Indian literature
discussed here.
Thank you.
Nimueh

dean wrote:

···

Frode and all,

I re-wrote some of that ether article, and took out some of that stuff about
radiation as sound. Sound isn't the only thing that can manipulate ether, so
I shouldn't have made such a jump.

http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index11.html

The higher frequency ethers might correspond to sound in the sense that the
Puranas use the word.

Catch you all later,

Dean

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Nimueh,

Ether in the Yogi tradition is one of the 5 elements, as I'm sure you

know. The

Sidhi practices (development of special abilities, or powers) instruct in

how

to relate to ether in consciousness to produce levitation and eventually

flying

through the air.

Yes, this is one of my personal main points of reference. I see all kinds of
mysticism mentioned in the Puranas and Vedas, and it is Cater who justifies
most or all of it through his understanding of ethers.

For me, Cater vindicates the mysticism which I have read about. For example,
there is a mystic siddhi, a perfection, called laghima by which a mystic may
enter " into the sun planet simply by using the rays of the sunshine."

First of all, this quote is from page 11 of The Nectar of Devotion, by
Bhaktivedanta Swami. This book was written in the 60s, and even then he was
using words like this- he refers to the sun as a planet, and mentions
entering " into " it, nothing about being on it. Throughout his
commentaries on the Bhagavat Purana, he mentioned life " in " other planets.
On the site I mentioned this in the first half of the Venus article.

Cater's soft particle physics allows me to speculate on how the yogis
accomplished this task of entering the sun planet by traveling up the rays.
They wouldn't do so in their physical bodies- they would have to leave their
bodies behind and do so in their ethereal bodies. How interesting, then,
that Cater defines ethers as consisting of particles with positive and
negative charges, and repulsion zones. Could it be that the yogis adopt a
charge opposite of the charge of the sun's rays, in their ethereal bodies,
and zip back up towards the Sun by means of electrostatic attraction? Again,
this would be on the ethereal plane, in their ethereal bodies.

And mention of the hollow portion of the earth is there in various places in
the Puranas.

Do continue your interest in this type of science!

Later,

Dean/Dharmapada

Frode-

Doesn't Cater use the term " controlling ethers " somewhere?

Dean

List Members,

We have heard so much about how Cater opines this and that about ethers and
such, it occurred to me that some of you may wonder " how does he know?" I
thought that I would reproduce a section from the eighth chapter of The
Awesome Life Force, in which he reveals some of his line of reasoning, and
some of his conclusions. This little section is just a taste, he goes on to
define a few more things about the nature of ethers- it's just that I can't
reproduce the whole chapter.

His books are available through Health Research:
http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/Authors/joseph_cater.htm

Here is the section:

" A principle that makes possible the understanding and unification of a
wide range of phenomena has been known for thousands or years. It is one of
the hermetic axioms that is a part of esoteric teachings. It is usually
stated "as above, so below." [ Note: The Vedic counterpart of this axiom is:
Yat pinde tat brahmande ] This boils down to the idea that the same basic
principles inderlie all phenomena and that all things interrelate in some
way, From this come the laws of cause and effect. It follows that much of
the nature of causes can be deduced from effects, or that many of the
properties of the unseen can be determined from that which is seen.

...

Since the axiom suggests that the nature of the ethers can he deduced by
certain aspects of our surroundings, the most logical one to consider is
the property of a perfect gas. Although there must be significant
differences between a gas and the ethers, there must be certain properties
that they have in common. An object can travel through free space at a
steady velocity and encounter no measurable resistance. Yet, it apparently
does encounter resistance during an acceleration. A similar pattern occurs
during passage through a gas or atmosphere, but to a more pronounced degree.
When inertia isn't a major factor, a hollow object, for example, will
experience great resistance from the gas if there is great and sudden
change in the velocity. After it attains a given velocity, and this velocity
remains constant, the resistance is greatly reduced. Therefore, it is
logical to assume that the inertia exhibited by a material object [ in free
space ]is due to the presence of a subtle medium that possesses some of the
properties of a perfect gas. If there were no medium present, it would be
somewhat difficult, if not impossible, to account for inertial properties.

The analogy of, and similarity between, the behavior of a near massless
hollow ball in a gas and that of a body of great mass in free space is an
application of this all-important Hermetic axiom. As will become
increasingly evident, further application of this line of thought leads to
extremely fruitful results. It has been established that at the same
temperature and pressure, all gases have the same number of molecules per
unit volume. This means the average distance between molecules from center
is the same for all gases, regardless of their molecular weight. Since they
exert the same pressure, it follows that the average kinetic energy of the
molecules is the same for each gas. This means the average velocity of a gas
molecule varies inversely as the square root of its molecular weight."

Dean, Thanks for the dialogue!

I have practiced the sidhis since 1976, and daily,
exstensively (about 4 hours a day), for 20 of those years!

I am not sure but with that experience, and your question
about "entering into the sun", I venture into some
understandings about this.

1) I recall one experience of "becoming" a particular star
in the Pleiades, in consciousness. It was a spontaneous
expereince of overwhelming bliss, very surprising, FULL OF
THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE STAR ITSELF! At other times, my
consciousness became one with other aspects of the universe,
and I have entered into the knowledge of that aspect as
well.

In the case of the star, its consciousness was LOVE! It was
a particular
devotional love that defined its role there in that
constellation, in relation to other stars and constellations
in that region of the universe. It was enormous, I felt its
huge size though it was tiny compared to its object of
devotion, which was another star--a very famous star--from
which it was given a part of the universe to "rule" or
govern, based on the quality of its devotion. Well,
actually, I should say HER, for this star was female in
gender.
More, if this is of interest...

(Each experience of "Self-referral through the medium of
consciousness" to another aspect of Nature or the universe
was characterized by experiencing the INTENSE LOVE of the
nature of that Being.)

2) Just this week I had this experience, as I shared with
onelight.com:

I had been doing some self-healing work for many hours
Saturday. Then I thought of the teleportation/travel issue,
and I thought of going to Inner Earth and Agartha. I wasn't
particularly "in a meditation" at that moment, but I guess I
meditation" either. I had gotten up and was just coming back
to rest some more.

Suddenly, without any effort, part of my awareness was just
there somehow! I was settling into my comfortable place, AND
I was experiencing myself also as "an energy that was
located THERE."

There were these VERY TALL BEINGS watching me, as I was
kinda sorta about the size of a butterfly or a bird as an
energy sort of "fading in" to their realm. I felt/saw/was
aware of, somehow, that many tall ones were watching or
aware of me fading into their place. Somehow I knew them to
be tall, but I'm not sure how I know. I can't really
describe it well because I can't really remember it well, or
should I say, I have no frame of reference in this reality
for "holding on to" what I
experienced there. I can really only remember what I
"thought about" what I was experiencing. But anyway, I
wanted to share that.

It didn't last very long, but while I was "in" it, I was
able to think, "Oh, my, I'm in my room AND I'm there too!"
My awareness went back and forth between the two. I remember
being clearly "there" two moments in this sequence. Of
course, then I TRIED to be there...well, from my experience
I've found, TRYING IS AFATAL FLAW, and will bring me
"out"/back to a thinking consciousness, every time. And
after that, I was just back home.

Recently, I found some references to methods of
teleportation--Joshua David Stone, PhD, Beyond Ascension, p.
61--
"Request before bed to be enrolled in teleportation classes
in the higher plane."
I've read 3 of his books now--I have really learned a lot
from him. His website is:

He focuses on Mt. Shasta a lot, and talks about Telos
sometimes. There's a lot on his site to read. He's very
generous, and I have found his advice to be sound and
spiritual both.

So, I guess I would say that travelling can be done, simply,
effortllessly, with first, a pure awareness and then adding
intent with pure love.

Maybe this was a baby step into bi-location...I don't know.
Bi-location could be a third way to go--astral projection,
teleportation, and possibly, bi-location.

And now, Dean, upon reflection I would add:
referral of the Self through the medium of consciousness.

Love, light, peace in service to the All,
Nimueh

dean wrote:

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Nimueh,

> Ether in the Yogi tradition is one of the 5 elements, as I'm sure you
know. The
> Sidhi practices (development of special abilities, or powers) instruct in
how
> to relate to ether in consciousness to produce levitation and eventually
flying
> through the air.

Yes, this is one of my personal main points of reference. I see all kinds of
mysticism mentioned in the Puranas and Vedas, and it is Cater who justifies
most or all of it through his understanding of ethers.

For me, Cater vindicates the mysticism which I have read about. For example,
there is a mystic siddhi, a perfection, called laghima by which a mystic may
enter " into the sun planet simply by using the rays of the sunshine."

First of all, this quote is from page 11 of The Nectar of Devotion, by
Bhaktivedanta Swami. This book was written in the 60s, and even then he was
using words like this- he refers to the sun as a planet, and mentions
entering " into " it, nothing about being on it. Throughout his
commentaries on the Bhagavat Purana, he mentioned life " in " other planets.
On the site I mentioned this in the first half of the Venus article.

Cater's soft particle physics allows me to speculate on how the yogis
accomplished this task of entering the sun planet by traveling up the rays.
They wouldn't do so in their physical bodies- they would have to leave their
bodies behind and do so in their ethereal bodies. How interesting, then,
that Cater defines ethers as consisting of particles with positive and
negative charges, and repulsion zones. Could it be that the yogis adopt a
charge opposite of the charge of the sun's rays, in their ethereal bodies,
and zip back up towards the Sun by means of electrostatic attraction? Again,
this would be on the ethereal plane, in their ethereal bodies.

And mention of the hollow portion of the earth is there in various places in
the Puranas.

Do continue your interest in this type of science!

Later,

Dean/Dharmapada

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Posted by Dharmapada/Dean

Here is something on Viking lore suggestive of the hollow Earth from The
Hidden Secrets of the Hollow Earth, page 58.

Saxo-Grammaticus, a thirteenth century historian, wrote, on many of the
myths and folklore of the Scandanavian people. One of his manuscripts
records the prevailing belief in " Hadding Land , " a tale handed down from
Viking Days. This land was allegedly located in an underworld that was
populated by giants, superhuman warriors, tribes of black dwarfs, and a
specie of dragons. " Hadding Land " was supposed to be the home of a race of
" snake " people who preyed on visitors to their subterrainian domain.

According to Saxo-Grammaticus, the Vikings and their descendents believed
these strange subterrainian creatures occasionally came up to the surface
world. It would be natural to assume that a visit from Snake People, or a
couple of dragons, was certain to throw an ancient town into turmoil.

I can relate to what Nimueh is saying. Teleportaion is truer than "astral projection."

One day I was out for an evening walk in my neighborhood. It was a full moon. I had been thinking about the subject of "light" and "awareness." I would look at pretty faces at a distance and think that the "light" that has just arrived at my eyes was in close contact with that pretty face a moment ago. I looked up at the moon. The thought came to my mind that the "light" that has just reached my eyes was on moon's surface a moment ago. And BOOM! it was like part of me was on the moon's surface that very instant. It was a thrilling experience.

Yes, I have had "weirder" experiences of teleportation than the one above. And I would agree with Nimueh that such experiences are totally spontaneous. You cannot "think" them to happen.

Vinaire

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Nimueh Rephael

To: [email protected]

Cc: tuscan e windorn

Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 3:36 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Hollow Earth/Ether science

`Dean, Thanks for the dialogue!

I have practiced the sidhis since 1976, and daily,
exstensively (about 4 hours a day), for 20 of those years!

I am not sure but with that experience, and your question
about "entering into the sun", I venture into some
understandings about this.

  1. I recall one experience of "becoming" a particular star
    in the Pleiades, in consciousness. It was a spontaneous
    expereince of overwhelming bliss, very surprising, FULL OF
    THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE STAR ITSELF! At other times, my
    consciousness became one with other aspects of the universe,
    and I have entered into the knowledge of that aspect as
    well.

In the case of the star, its consciousness was LOVE! It was
a particular
devotional love that defined its role there in that
constellation, in relation to other stars and constellations
in that region of the universe. It was enormous, I felt its
huge size though it was tiny compared to its object of
devotion, which was another star--a very famous star--from
which it was given a part of the universe to "rule" or
govern, based on the quality of its devotion. Well,
actually, I should say HER, for this star was female in
gender.
More, if this is of interest...

(Each experience of "Self-referral through the medium of
consciousness" to another aspect of Nature or the universe
was characterized by experiencing the INTENSE LOVE of the
nature of that Being.)

  1. Just this week I had this experience, as I shared with
    onelight.com:

I had been doing some self-healing work for many hours
Saturday. Then I thought of the teleportation/travel issue,
and I thought of going to Inner Earth and Agartha. I wasn't
particularly "in a meditation" at that moment, but I guess I
meditation" either. I had gotten up and was just coming back
to rest some more.

Suddenly, without any effort, part of my awareness was just
there somehow! I was settling into my comfortable place, AND
I was experiencing myself also as "an energy that was
located THERE."

There were these VERY TALL BEINGS watching me, as I was
kinda sorta about the size of a butterfly or a bird as an
energy sort of "fading in" to their realm. I felt/saw/was
aware of, somehow, that many tall ones were watching or
aware of me fading into their place. Somehow I knew them to
be tall, but I'm not sure how I know. I can't really
describe it well because I can't really remember it well, or
should I say, I have no frame of reference in this reality
for "holding on to" what I
experienced there. I can really only remember what I
"thought about" what I was experiencing. But anyway, I
wanted to share that.

It didn't last very long, but while I was "in" it, I was
able to think, "Oh, my, I'm in my room AND I'm there too!"
My awareness went back and forth between the two. I remember
being clearly "there" two moments in this sequence. Of
course, then I TRIED to be there...well, from my experience
I've found, TRYING IS AFATAL FLAW, and will bring me
"out"/back to a thinking consciousness, every time. And
after that, I was just back home.

Recently, I found some references to methods of
teleportation--Joshua David Stone, PhD, Beyond Ascension, p.
61--
"Request before bed to be enrolled in teleportation classes
in the higher plane."
I've read 3 of his books now--I have really learned a lot
from him. His website is:
http://www.drjoshuadavidstone.com
He focuses on Mt. Shasta a lot, and talks about Telos
sometimes. There's a lot on his site to read. He's very
generous, and I have found his advice to be sound and
spiritual both.

So, I guess I would say that travelling can be done, simply,
effortllessly, with first, a pure awareness and then adding
intent with pure love.

Maybe this was a baby step into bi-location...I don't know.
Bi-location could be a third way to go--astral projection,
teleportation, and possibly, bi-location.

And now, Dean, upon reflection I would add:
referral of the Self through the medium of consciousness.

Love, light, peace in service to the All,
Nimueh

dean wrote:

Nimueh,

Ether in the Yogi tradition is one of the 5 elements, as I'm sure you
know. The
Sidhi practices (development of special abilities, or powers) instruct in
how
to relate to ether in consciousness to produce levitation and eventually
flying
through the air.

Yes, this is one of my personal main points of reference. I see all kinds of
mysticism mentioned in the Puranas and Vedas, and it is Cater who justifies
most or all of it through his understanding of ethers.

For me, Cater vindicates the mysticism which I have read about. For example,
there is a mystic siddhi, a perfection, called laghima by which a mystic may
enter " into the sun planet simply by using the rays of the sunshine."

First of all, this quote is from page 11 of The Nectar of Devotion, by
Bhaktivedanta Swami. This book was written in the 60s, and even then he was
using words like this- he refers to the sun as a planet, and mentions
entering " into " it, nothing about being on it. Throughout his
commentaries on the Bhagavat Purana, he mentioned life " in " other planets.
On the site I mentioned this in the first half of the Venus article.

Cater's soft particle physics allows me to speculate on how the yogis
accomplished this task of entering the sun planet by traveling up the rays.
They wouldn't do so in their physical bodies- they would have to leave their
bodies behind and do so in their ethereal bodies. How interesting, then,
that Cater defines ethers as consisting of particles with positive and
negative charges, and repulsion zones. Could it be that the yogis adopt a
charge opposite of the charge of the sun's rays, in their ethereal bodies,
and zip back up towards the Sun by means of electrostatic attraction? Again,
this would be on the ethereal plane, in their ethereal bodies.

And mention of the hollow portion of the earth is there in various places in
the Puranas.

Do continue your interest in this type of science!

Later,

Dean/Dharmapada

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As such, the solid-planet model certainly does not enjoy a lock on theories
in relation to our planet's configuration; modern geology has no absolutes
platform in this regard. One exacerbating cause of this contradictory
situation is the fact that geology does not enjoy direct perception of its
object of study., i.e., nobody has been to the center of the Earth. This
situation is different in many ways from other scientific disciplines which
do enjoy much direct perception. For example, a biologist can observe
microbes in a microscope, an astronomer can observe the heavens through a
telescope, et cetera. Even the seismographs which are their main source of
evidence have to be interpreted, and such interpretation is based on
unproven assumptions and preconceived parameters, for example, the Cavendish
experiments.

However, a tenable geological model has already been presented by Joseph H.
Cater, in his book The Awesome Life Force, albeit largely unknown to many
new generation hollow Earthers ( copyrighted in 1982 ). Throughout the book,
the type of alternative physics necessary to support his model is unfolded
as well.

By alternative physics, I refer to an understanding of electrostatics on a
whole different level. Cater outlines how radiation from the Sun interacts
with the fundamental particles of matter, to produce the electrostatic
forces which cause gravity, are responsible for geological processes and
which penetrate continue inwards to form the inner sun. He outlines how it
is that these radiations from the Sun become transformed into lower and
lower frequencies of photon aggragates which penetrate deep into the Earth.
This element of the penetration is important because it is from within the
Earth that these electrostatic forces are generated- forces which produce
the gravitational field of the Earth, and forces which form photon
aggragates which build up electrostatic charges in condenser-like fashion
deep within. It is thus that geological processes, i.e., earthquakes,
volcanoes, and continental drift, are powered. Cater describes how these
photon aggragates pass on through the shell of the Earth, only to be
repelled by the gravitational field of the inner surface towards the center
of the hollow cavity, thus forming the inner sun. Since low frequency photon
aggragates are invisible, as they stream out through the polar openings they
are unseen until they begin to disintegrate, at which time they release
higher frequency light camouflaged within.

http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index13.html

Frode-

Doesn't Cater use the term " controlling ethers " somewhere?

Dean

I don't think so. But if I see it I'll tell you.

Frode

How familiar with the underground are we?

Dean/Dharmapada

Excerpt from: 'CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?'; article in the March, 1980
issue of John J. Williams' "REBEL MAGAZINE"

. . . Several years ago, subsurface researcher Richard Toronto reprinted a
news article in his SHAVERTRON newsletter describing a Metropolitan Water
District of Southern California Director in Los Angeles. This official
talked with a man who said that he was hired by the government to look for
underground water sources for Camp Irwin in California.

At one point the man and a partner came across an abandoned mine and decided
to follow it to the bottom. Near the bottom he was surprised to discover an
ancient earth-fault which was wide enough for him and his companion to
enter. They traversed this fault for a good distance until they finally
emerged into a huge river-cavern. To his surprise he saw before him a
crystal pure underground river over a quarter of a mile wide which flowed
through the passage and out of sight.

Since learning of this incident the Metropolitan Water District Director
claims to have 'discovered' at least five similar underground rivers. Some
of these have allegedly been die-traced and were found to emerge from the
continental slope below the surface of the oceans, and at least one of them
into the Gulf of California.

This might confirm the allegations made by one anonymous retired Navy
officer that the Navy has knowledge of a VAST system or labyrinth of
aqua-caverns which meander beneath the surface of California and even into
other western states, and that these watery labyrinths exit out into the
oceans via huge entrances in the lower walls of the Continental Slope. One
of the more extravagant claims is that some of these aqua-caverns are so
large that they can be navigated by submarine, and that one nuclear
submarine on a secret mapping mission in fact became lost within the maze
and was never heard from again. Two American nuclear submarines have
disappeared without explanation in the past, the U.S.S. SCORPION and the
U.S.S. THRESHER. It is true that one woman who claimed to have had a very
strong emotional bond with her husband who worked on the Thresher, insisted
at the time that she just 'knew' that her husband was still alive after the
'disaster'. She said that she and her husband had such a spiritual-emotional
connection that they always knew when the other was in trouble . . .