The coming pole shift
I don't believe Antarctica was Atlantis, simply because Plato said it sank without trace, making the Sargasso Sea, motionless and impassible (and eels still swim round where it was.) Neither does Antarctica have the shape of Atlantis on Kircher's map, with reversed polarity. Hazel.
How did Plato know where the Sargasso Sea was? America hadn't been discovered yet.
Dharma/Dean
The coming pole shiftDean, read Barry Fell, a Harvard anthropologist re
Americas. The Zuni Indian writing was taken to Libya and they could read it.
sank without trace, making the Sargasso Sea, motionless and impassible (and
eels still swim round where it was.) Neither does Antarctica have the shape
of Atlantis on Kircher's map, with reversed polarity. Hazel.
How did Plato know where the Sargasso Sea was? America hadn't been
discovered yet.
Dharma/Dean
Good advice from Kirk. Barry Fell's book presents solid evidence that America was visited by many "ancient" people long before Columbus. Judging by Fell's book, Leif Ericson also wasn't the earlier first. I don't personally recall any specific reference by Plato to the name "Sargasso Sea," but he was told the sea(In that area) was made impassable. And told more about the land(s) beyond.
Dean,
In the '40's Edgar Cayce predicted that in 1968 traces of "Atlantis,"
would be located off the coast of Bimini Island. Sure enough, an airplane
pilot coming in for a landing, noticed, what appeared and turned out to be,
an ancient "causeway," off the coast of Bimini Island.
Cayce also was correct in predicting the discovery of a secret chamber
under the paw of the "Sphinx."
MM
Edgar Cayce was accurate about predicting the discovery of traces of
"Atlantis," being found off of the coast of Bimini Island. This Island is not
far from the "Bermuda Triangle," either.
MM
The coming pole shiftWell,
What could be the origin, then? maybe the planet Pluto? Hollow Earth culture? Nah!
DD
Pattie Gotham is correct in writing that David Kelley's idea that the
Vikings carved the Peterborough Petroglyphs is nothing new; it was Barry Fell
who was the first to make that assertion in his book "Bronze Age America". But I wish
to make it known, that while Gotham cites Fell's statement that "They (Joan
and Romas Vastokas) recognized apparent Scandinavian and Bronze Age
features in the art style", that our text was being misrepresented just as
Fell misrepresented the record of the glyphs themselves. Anyone who reads
that part of our text ("Sacred Art of the Algonkians: A Study of the
Peterborough Petroglyphs", 1973) will see that the boat carvings in
Peterborough were being compared with similar carvings throughout the
the circumpolar zone. Similarities are closer, in fact, to petroglyphs
recorded in Siberia, northern Russia, and Alaska than they are to those in
Scandinavia. Nowhere do we state that there was any similarity in "style"
to the Scandinavian boats. In fact, if we were to discuss style, then once
again the similarities are very strong with those of Russia, Siberia and
Alaska.
RE: [allplanets-hollow] Sargasso Sea?Members,
Barry Fell doesn't have much online as he has passed away. At least, I found nothing. can somebody present some of his evidence and arguments? Evidence of Celtic or Norse origins in North America could be something misunderstood, the origin could be the Indo-European/Aryan-type culture in the hollow portion of the Earth. I found some info on the onelight site about giants in North America- there are burial mounds in Ohio and Indiana which have skeletons of giants.
Dharma/Dean
RE: [allplanets-hollow] Sargasso Sea?He has 3 books in public library.
America BC and I forget the other 2.
He could read and write 12 dead languages.
found nothing. can somebody present some of his evidence and arguments?
Evidence of Celtic or Norse origins in North America could be something
misunderstood, the origin could be the Indo-European/Aryan-type culture in
the hollow portion of the Earth. I found some info on the onelight site
about giants in North America- there are burial mounds in Ohio and Indiana
which have skeletons of giants.
Dharma/Dean
Mike Maloney,
If Edgar Caycee had a little bit of perception on the astral level, then he
could have perceived these events before they occurred on the physical
plane. Activities trickle down, from higher planes to lower.
What else did he say about the chambers under the Sphinx? Of course one
could tunnel on down and eventually work one's way to a cavern world. There
are references to underworld paradises in the Egyptian Book of the Dead,
although I personally haven't read this book.
I surmise that pyramids and such were markers of entrances to subterranean
realms. Then waht about the pyramids on the surfaces of other planets and
the Moon? I wrote about that in the articles on pyramids on the thrid page
of my site. Most of you have probably read it.
Why can't we just go on down and find out about these worlds, now that we
have some indications?
Tell me that there is no conspiracy amongst the institutions of our world!
How widespread? Academic, financial, political- who knows. Mike Mott feels
that the surface world is very much manipulated by the underworld.
The joke's on us. I bet the Incas are just biding their time for revenge.
They probably dug a tunnel all the way to Spain.
# ;^ )
DD
RE: [allplanets-hollow] Sargasso Sea?This is what I found using America, B.C.
"Kelley is concerned by the strange lack of supporting archeological evidence at the inscription sites, but as the following quotation demonstrates, he dares to admit an ancient Celtic presence in North America. "
And:
"I have no personal doubts that some of the inscriptions which have been reported are genuine Celtic ogham. Despite my occasional harsh criticism of Fell's treatment of individual inscriptions, it should be recognized that without Fell's work there would be no ogham problem to perplex us. We need to ask not only what Fell has done wrong in his epigraphy, but also where we have gone wrong as archaeologists in not recognizing such an extensive European presence in the New World."
What do they mean by inscriptions? Celtic alphbet, or symbols of some sort? Again, I wonder if both this New World culture which they are finding evidence of, and the Celtic civilization, don't have a common origin in the Hollow Earth.
There is evidence of Vedic culture in the Americas, but I doubt that the Hindus sailed all the way to the Americas and left a settlement or two, no matter how old their culture. Why would they want to maintain a presence in the Americas from India? From the opening, however, it is a straight drop down, albeit a long walk. But they dropped down through Central Asia and Europe, so why not from the opening through Alaska or Greenland?
Dharma/Dean
symbols of some sort? Again, I wonder if both this New World
culture which they are finding evidence of, and the Celtic
civilization, don't have a common origin in the Hollow Earth.
that the Hindus sailed all the way to the Americas and left a
settlement or two, no matter how old their culture. Why would
they want to maintain a presence in the Americas from India?
From the opening, however, it is a straight drop down, albeit a
long walk. But they dropped down through Central Asia and
Europe, so why not from the opening through Alaska or
Greenland?
Dharma/Dean
I have to give the Celts their due here; Brendan, the Welsh Prince
Madoc, and probably many Irish monks other than Brendan,
sailed to the New World. Some never returned to their
homelands, so it can be presumed that they stayed.
When the vikings arrived in Iceland, Irish monks were already
there. Evidence for Irish monk habitations have been found in
Canada, either Newfoundland, Quebec, or Nova Scotia, I forget
which. All of these majorly preceded Columbus, as well as the
Norse (who also preceded Columbus). The "common script" of
the Irish Celts was Ogham, which has been found, along with
Scandinavian Runic Script or Futhark, throughout North America.
Prince Madoc, with a group of ships loaded with men, women,
and children, departed Wales and is believed to have landed in
Mobile Bay. Evidence of Celtic-style "hill-forts" has been found
on mountaintops in Alabama, and on up into the Appalachians.
When the Indian ethnographer and artist George Caitlin visited
the Northern Plains (I believe the Dakotas), he lived among a
tribe of "white" Indians, called "Mandans." The Mandans spoke a
variant of Welsh, mixed with Native American dialect, built Welsh
coracles (round, flat-bottomed boats) in the traditional Welsh
manner, and had grey, green, blue and hazel eyes. Some had
light brown, tawny, or red hair. Caitlin drew and painted many
pictures of the Mandan, and wrote about them.
A few years later, before further investigation could commence,
the Mandan were all wiped out by Small Pox brought by French
traders....
But the Celts have been here in North America. Celtic-style
burial chambers of megalithic type have also been found in New
England. They may have come, as did other ancient peoples, to
mine copper for the making of bronze. There are regions around
the Great Lakes which show evidence of extreme copper-mining
activity, and the purest copper in the world comes from Michigan.
The technology used to extract the copper ore, using old
European methods, did not exist among the Native Americans.
--Mike
DD,
I thought always thought that there is an underground entrance to the HE from an Egyptian Pyramid, and also in the Tibetan Mountains. But, one of the pyramids in Egypt is feels to me like it has to been built over a vortex, which could be a portal into the HE...If I were to want to get into a HE--I would look to a desert area for the least dangerous avenue. I have asked my daughter to buy me a world map for my BD and I am going to put it on the wall and see what kind of visions I get....I should get a vibration and some light around entrances, if indeed there are any.
Mike could be right about the underworld being manipulating the upper earth, actually wouldn't surprise me---but, who is doing the manipulating? Various opinions on this....
Leslee
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] The Inca's revenge!
Mike Maloney,
If Edgar Caycee had a little bit of perception on the astral level, then he
could have perceived these events before they occurred on the physical
plane. Activities trickle down, from higher planes to lower.
What else did he say about the chambers under the Sphinx? Of course one
could tunnel on down and eventually work one's way to a cavern world. There
are references to underworld paradises in the Egyptian Book of the Dead,
although I personally haven't read this book.
I surmise that pyramids and such were markers of entrances to subterranean
realms. Then waht about the pyramids on the surfaces of other planets and
the Moon? I wrote about that in the articles on pyramids on the thrid page
of my site. Most of you have probably read it.
Why can't we just go on down and find out about these worlds, now that we
have some indications?
Tell me that there is no conspiracy amongst the institutions of our world!
How widespread? Academic, financial, political- who knows. Mike Mott feels
that the surface world is very much manipulated by the underworld.
The joke's on us. I bet the Incas are just biding their time for revenge.
They probably dug a tunnel all the way to Spain.
# ;^ )
DD
Leslee,
Etidorhpa describes the Earth's structure like this, that it rests upon a bubble of spirit. The outer surface rests upon it, and the inner surface is within it. It is called the sphere of rest. If one dives into it, one swims around on the ethereal plane, weightless, and with the powers of the mind unbound by gravitational polarities in the brain. The Guide and The man traveled along it, but not through it towards the center.This is the description of Eitidorhpa, anyway. So although one could penetrate quite a ways going through the shell, I don''t know if one could penetrate it through to the inner surface
Dharma/Dean
DD,
I thought always thought that there is an underground entrance to the HE from an Egyptian Pyramid, and also in the Tibetan Mountains. But, one of the pyramids in Egypt is feels to me like it has to been built over a vortex, which could be a portal into the HE...
Leslee,
Etidorhpa describes the Earth's structure like this, that it rests upon a bubble of spirit. The outer surface rests upon it, and the inner surface is within it. It is called the sphere of rest. If one dives into it, one swims around on the ethereal plane, weightless, and with the powers of the mind unbound by gravitational polarities in the brain. The Guide and The man traveled along it, but not through it towards the center.This is the description of Eitidorhpa, anyway. So although one could penetrate quite a ways going through the shell, I don''t know if one could penetrate it through to the inner surface
Dharma/Dean
The appropriate part from Etidorhpa:
While conversing about the configuration of continents, The Guide illuminated his charge by saying: " You argue from an erroneous hypothesis. The Earth is neither rigid nor solid."
" True," I answered. " If it were solid I could not be a hundred miles beneath its surface in conversation with another being; but there cannot be many such cavities as that which we are now traversing, and they cannot surely extend entirely through its mass; the great weight of the superincumbent material would crush together the strongest materials, if a globe as large as our earth were extensively honeycombed in this manner."
" Quite the contrary," he replied; " and here let me, for the first time, enlighten you as to the interior structure of the terrestrial globe. The earth-forming principle consists of an invisible sphere of energy that, spinning through space, supports the space dust which collects on it, as dust on a bubble. By gradual accumulation of substance on that sphere a hollow ball has resulted, on the outer surface of which you have hitherto dwelt. The crust of the earth is comparatively thin, not more than eight hundred miles in average, thickness, and is held in position by the central sphere of energy that now exists at a distance about seven hundred miles beneath the ocean level. The force inherent to this sphere manifests itself upon the matter which it supports on both sides, rendering matter the lighter the nearer it lies to the center sphere. In other words, let me say to you: `The crust, or shell, which I have just described as being but about eight hundred miles in thickness is firm and solid on both its convex and concave surface, but gradually loses in weight, whether we penetrate from the outer surface toward the center, or from any point of the inner surface towards the outside, until at the central sphere matter has no weight at all.' Do you conceive my meaning?"
" Yes," I replied; "I understand you."
List Members,
Not only does gravity diminish, according to Etidorhpa, but the cavern environment seems to be characterized by some type of orgone/soft particles- pay attention to the last line of this post. This could be caused by the rays of the sun which undergo a trnsformation of frequency and penetrate the Earth's shell at lower and lower frequencies. Cater explains this:
CHAPTER XXI.
MY WEIGHT IS DISAPPEARING.
We halted suddenly, for we came unexpectedly to the edge of a precipice, twenty feet at least in depth.
" Let us jump down," said my guide.
" That would be dangerous," I answered; " can not we descend at some point where it is not so deep?"
" No; the chasm stretches for miles across our path, and at this point we will meet with the least difficulty; besides, there is no danger. The specific gravity of our bodies is now so little that we could jump twice that distance with impunity."
" I can not comprehend you; we are in the flesh, our bodies are possessed of weight, the concussion will be violent."
" You reason again from the condition of your former life, and, as usual, are mistaken; there will be little shock, for, as I have said, our bodies are comparatively light now. Have you forgotten that your motion is continuously accelerated, and that without perceptible exertion you move rapidly? This is partly because of the loss of weight. Your weight would now be only about fifty pounds if tested by a spring balance."
I stood incredulous.
" You trifle with me; I weigh over one hundred and fifty pounds; how have I lost weight ? It is true that I have noticed the ease with which we have recently progressed on our journey, especially the latter part of it, but I attribute this, in part, to the fact that our course is down an incline, and also to the vitalizing power of this cavern air."
From Capter 20 of Etidorhpa:
" The spectral light by which we were aureoled increased in intensity, as by arithmetical progression, and I could now distinguish objects at a considerable distance before us. "
This refers to the way in which the soft particles penetrate the shell and break up, gradually, into their constituent particles of light the further down one goes.
Soft particles/orgone, is generated by an interaction between the particles of light of the sun, the fundamental particles of matter of the Earth and ether.
Dharma/Dean
Hi Dean:
<Etidorhpa describes the Earth's structure like this, that it rests upon a bubble of spirit. The outer surface rests upon it, and the inner surface is within it. It is called the sphere of rest. If one dives into it, one swims around on the ethereal plane, weightless, and with the powers of the mind unbound by gravitational polarities in the brain. The Guide and The man traveled along it, but not through it towards the center>
I notice the Guide and The Man travel along it? Are the entering with their minds? If so, then this would explain the Tibetan Monks having access to the HE--they travel in their minds, which would be easy for them to accomplish.
Sphere of rest? Could this be a place for rejuvination of our spirit? Our spirit swims on the ethereal plane, weightless could mean entrance is only obtained by our spirit, or one who is able to release their minds from the "worldly & material" weight, so it may take an adept, or very enlightened person to gain entrance.
The appropriate part from Etidorhpa:
While conversing about the configuration of continents, The Guide illuminated his charge by saying: " You argue from an erroneous hypothesis. The Earth is neither rigid nor solid."
" True," I answered. " If it were solid I could not be a hundred miles beneath its surface in conversation with another being; but there cannot be many such cavities as that which we are now traversing, and they cannot surely extend entirely through its mass; the great weight of the superincumbent material would crush together the strongest materials, if a globe as large as our earth were extensively honeycombed in this manner."
" Quite the contrary," he replied; " and here let me, for the first time, enlighten you as to the interior structure of the terrestrial globe. The earth-forming principle consists of an invisible sphere of energy that, spinning through space, supports the space dust which collects on it, as dust on a bubble. By gradual accumulation of substance on that sphere a hollow ball has resulted, on the outer surface of which you have hitherto dwelt. The crust of the earth is comparatively thin, not more than eight hundred miles in average, thickness, and is held in position by the central sphere of energy that now exists at a distance about seven hundred miles beneath the ocean level. The force inherent to this sphere manifests itself upon the matter which it supports on both sides, rendering matter the lighter the nearer it lies to the center sphere. In other words, let me say to you: `The crust, or shell, which I have just described as being but about eight hundred miles in thickness is firm and solid on both its convex and concave surface, but gradually loses in weight, whether we penetrate from the outer surface toward the center, or from any point of the inner surface towards the outside, until at the central sphere matter has no weight at all.' Do you conceive my meaning?"
" Yes," I replied; "I understand you."
So, areas of no gravity, or very little within the thickness of the earth's crust?
This is going to be a wonderful book, I can't wait until it arrives!
Leslee
(Comment from Dick Fojut)
Dean, You posted the following for Leslee...
About the type I made bold faced in the above, "earth forming principle"... specifically, "space dust which collects on it, as dust on a bubble. By gradual accumulation of substance on that sphere..."
Is the above HOW Earth was supposed to have been created? ..."space dust" that "collects"(accretion) on an "invisible sphere of energy....spinning in space..."
I have no trouble conceiving the Creator creating an invisible sphere of energy and spinning it in space. BUT the "ACCRETION" from space dust somehow collecting and forming Earth's crust, is ONE of the vague NON-explanation theories long embraced by orthodox astronomers and geologists since BEFORE Etidorpha was composed. Except for the concept that a hollow somehow forms and somehow gravity also diminishes going in, this could be dropped into an orthodox textbook. I expected a more substantial explanation from an "all-knowing" HE being. Very disappointing.
The above explanation is on a par with Sitchin and his juvenile tale about Marduk. Marduk was a huge, fully developed planet that (presumably) went through billions of years of normal geological development, and had a population. I recall Sitchin wrote that when Niburu came orbiting back around here, its moon (or was it Niburu itself?) slammed into Marduk and busted it in half. The smaller half became the asteroid belt, the larger half (Voila!) "reformed" itself (like silly putty in Sitchin's child-like conception), and became our EARTH!
Just HOW did a decapitated half-a-planet "reform" and geologically progress and become our Earth? Sitchin never felt pressed to explain. Left it up to others, more expert about geology than he, to provide details. Haven't heard of anyone doing so yet, have you? His several followers like Lloyd Pie have accepted also accepted his unreasonable tale unquestioningly.
So, I ask the questions here of the HE being (or his better informed messengers, DD, Cater etc):
Just HOW did space dust collect and form Earth's crust - with caverns throughout, atmosphere, mountains and oceans - then HOW were added vast volumes of volcanic gases plus a thick molten layer and a hollow center having a surface like that on Earth's outside crust? And HOW did continental plates riding on that "Vaseline" come about? And then HOW was added a central Sun of soft and hard particles in the hollow? Just HOW did this all come about geologically? I'd like some reasonable proofs, if any can be provided.
CORRECTION to my Email below just sent....
In my comment at bottom I wrote MARDUK was the Planet that Sitchin's Nibiru busted in half. My wife just whacked me and informed me it was TIAMAT! Whoops! Got my names mixed up. - Dick Fojut (Correct name inserted below)
(Comment from Dick Fojut)
Dean, You posted the following for Leslee...
About the type I made bold faced in the above, "earth forming principle"... specifically, "space dust which collects on it, as dust on a bubble. By gradual accumulation of substance on that sphere..."
Is the above HOW Earth was supposed to have been created? ..."space dust" that "collects"(accretion) on an "invisible sphere of energy....spinning in space..."
I have no trouble conceiving the Creator creating an invisible sphere of energy and spinning it in space. BUT the "ACCRETION" from space dust somehow collecting and forming Earth's crust, is ONE of the vague NON-explanation theories long embraced by orthodox astronomers and geologists since BEFORE Etidorpha was composed. Except for the concept that a hollow somehow forms and somehow gravity also diminishes going in, this could be dropped into an orthodox textbook. I expected a more substantial explanation from an "all-knowing" HE being. Very disappointing.
The above explanation is on a par with Sitchin and his juvenile tale about Tiamat. Tiamat was a huge, fully developed planet that (presumably) went through billions of years of normal geological development, and had a population. I recall Sitchin wrote that when Niburu came orbiting back around here, its moon (or was it Niburu itself?) slammed into Tiamat and busted it in half. The smaller half became the asteroid belt, the larger half (Voila!) "reformed" itself (like silly putty in Sitchin's child-like conception), and became our EARTH!
Just HOW did a decapitated half-a-planet "reform" and geologically progress and become our Earth? Sitchin never felt pressed to explain. Left it up to others, more expert about geology than he, to provide details. Haven't heard of anyone doing so yet, have you? His several followers like Lloyd Pie have accepted also accepted his unreasonable tale unquestioningly.
So, I ask the questions here of the HE being (or his better informed messengers, DD, Cater etc):
Just HOW did space dust collect and form Earth's crust - with caverns throughout, atmosphere, mountains and oceans - then HOW were added vast volumes of volcanic gases plus a thick molten layer and a hollow center having a surface like that on Earth's outside crust? And HOW did continental plates riding on that "Vaseline" come about? And then HOW was added a central Sun of soft and hard particles in the hollow? Just HOW did this all come about geologically? I'd like some reasonable proofs, if any can be provided.
Re: [allplanets-hollow] The description of EitidorhpaDick,
You have asked for reasonable proofs. Well, proofs which satify our understandings may be lacking. First of all, we had no perception of the event, and we hardly understand enough about physical processes to be able to pass any kind of judgement. In our situation, to ask the question which you have is like having Dr. Frog, Ph.D., sit in his well and ask- " Is the ocean as big as my well?"
I can't vouch for this particular piece of info given in Etidorhpa, but I do not reject it based on my understandings.
The accumulation of space dust is not hard to conceive of. The unanswered question might relate to how different strata of mateials and different densities of strata came about. But unless you know how the different elements are created, you can hardly pass judgement in this regard.
Cater stipulates that the different elements are not deposited during an initial formative process as much as they are cultivates by the different flows and penetrations of soft particles at different times. He is basically talking about a transmutation of elements which takes place in the various strata, that a rain of soft particles passing through the Earth's shell has an impact on the level of atomic particles and zonal forces. In this way, a vein of gold might be transmuted instead of actually being deposited during an initial formative process.
Things like this make me think that less centripedal and centrifugal force might have been necessary for the creation of the planet. Do you see what i am saying? In this scenario, extreme weight from strata above would not have been necessary to pack dense strata deep below.
In this way, a shell could be superincumbent upon a spirt bubble, and the different densities and elements within the strata still be accounted for.
Dharma/Dean
About the type I made bold faced in the above, "earth forming principle"... specifically, "space dust which collects on it, as dust on a bubble. By gradual accumulation of substance on that sphere..."
Is the above HOW Earth was supposed to have been created? ..."space dust" that "collects"(accretion) on an "invisible sphere of energy....spinning in space..."
I have no trouble conceiving the Creator creating an invisible sphere of energy and spinning it in space. BUT the "ACCRETION" from space dust somehow collecting and forming Earth's crust, is ONE of the vague NON-explanation theories long embraced by orthodox astronomers and geologists since BEFORE Etidorpha was composed. Except for the concept that a hollow somehow forms and somehow gravity also diminishes going in, this could be dropped into an orthodox textbook. I expected a more substantial explanation from an "all-knowing" HE being. Very disappointing.
The above explanation is on a par with Sitchin and his juvenile tale about Marduk. Marduk was a huge, fully developed planet that (presumably) went through billions of years of normal geological development, and had a population. I recall Sitchin wrote that when Niburu came orbiting back around here, its moon (or was it Niburu itself?) slammed into Marduk and busted it in half. The smaller half became the asteroid belt, the larger half (Voila!) "reformed" itself (like silly putty in Sitchin's child-like conception), and became our EARTH!
Just HOW did a decapitated half-a-planet "reform" and geologically progress and become our Earth? Sitchin never felt pressed to explain. Left it up to others, more expert about geology than he, to provide details. Haven't heard of anyone doing so yet, have you? His several followers like Lloyd Pie have accepted also accepted his unreasonable tale unquestioningly.
So, I ask the questions here of the HE being (or his better informed messengers, DD, Cater etc):
Just HOW did space dust collect and form Earth's crust - with caverns throughout, atmosphere, mountains and oceans - then HOW were added vast volumes of volcanic gases plus a thick molten layer and a hollow center having a surface like that on Earth's outside crust? And HOW did continental plates riding on that "Vaseline" come about? And then HOW was added a central Sun of soft and hard particles in the hollow? Just HOW did this all come about geologically? I'd like some reasonable proofs, if any can be provided.