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Re: Leslee about El Popo
From Dick Fojut in Tucson to
LESLEE (and anyone interested)...
I printed out and read your post about
predictions concerning EL POPO popping off. The "gifted lady in
Florida," JOAN GRIFFITH, mentioned, is Col. James
Churchward's step-grandaughter. Have some information about her that
may interest you (and others).
But first, I want to digress momentarily from the
above for pertinent reasons...
When I first joined the ah list (after being
greatly impressed with Lamprecht on Punnett's Sunday night "Coast
to Coast") I naively thought HE list members (like Dean), would
appreciate the scientific conceptions of Churchward as
SUPPLEMENTARY information to add to the conceptions of
Lamprecht, Cater (and Dean's own.) As list members know I've tossed
in several Churchward viewpoints on geology and "Forces" (as I
partially understand them)... some of which MAY conflict here
and there on some points with the above mentioned individuals. It
seems obvious to me now that instead of examining Churchward's
stuff as SUPPLEMENTARY, some list members view what I've
presented about Churchward, as COMPETITIVE and threatening to
HE concepts and especially Cater's cosmological views. Maybe so on
some points. But I personally continue to attempt to RECONCILE,
Churchward's views (which I proudly admit favoring) with those
held by Cater, Lamprecht, Dean and others in the list. I'd hoped and
still hope they may do the same.
···
ABOUT the "gifted lady in Florida," JOAN
GRIFFITH....
Last year she sent me some unpublished personal
information about Churchward (and herself) which I think you may find
enlightening. Since her name is now public, I don't think she will
mind my mentioning the following excerpts from her email to
me...
"Churchy" as my Dad (1866-1950)
referred to him (1846-1936), took
over as surrogate father for my dad at age 4 when his own father
died;
My grandmother entertained the literary and sci. and
intellectual stratas of NYC society... Churchy met the Le Plongeons
and other notables at her "salons", in between his India
and S.Pacific sojourns from 1870s on.
"Churchy represented an India Tea Co. in
Ceylon early on, went into the railroad tie business (inventing one),
and his greatest achievement was the invention of NCV Steel
(nickel,chrome, vanadium) which he subsequently sold to our War Dept.
(Defense) in time to save allies' lives in WWI and in reality, was
responsible for our side winning that war, from a turning point where
the odds were on
the other side (NCV was stronger and almost
impenetrable).
"The 2 men saved each other's lives several
times, a karmic story in
itself. My dad, of high genius IQ, became a patent attorney
(among other
things) and by 1918 when both Carnegie and Bethlehem Steel
infringed
Churchward International Steel, diverting the foreign patents for
their
own manufacture, Dad was able to win both infringement suits for
Churchy, with a judgment of $275,000 (equal to 30 million today's
money), with which he published his 4 hardback Mu books (made later
into
5 paperbacks) in the 1920s and early '30's.
"When Churchy died in Jan. 1936, he
told my father that I would
carry on his work (she who was known on both continents, he
said). I was
only 3 years old but already fascinated with the work, and had
memories
of Atlantis and special kinds of technology...I was a prodigy
who was
put in first grade before my 4th birthday (I go by age 48 now but I
am
actually
68)."
- End of Joan Griffith's email.
There was much more in Joan's email but
not relevant to mention here. Joan has also been closely associated
with the CAYCE group. Some of you may recall I mentioned pieces of
the above about Churchward in a prior list email. At that time I
didn't think it proper to mention Joan's name. I think it's proper
now.
Concluding about Churchward
(whom I still view as one of the greatest UNrecognized scientific
researchers of our time)...
Although I did not at first recognize
it, I have persuaded myself that Churchward's depiction of Earth's
geological beginning provides the ONLY reasonable, ENCOMPASSING
scientific proofs to explain HOW Earth's HOLLOW CENTER possibly came
to exist initially. And also presents a clear picture of HOW the
Earth's crust came to be HONEYCOMBED with small and large (many now
empty) chambers, caverns and fissure tunnels.
Recall that Churchward claims he learned of
Earth's geological history by translating - with the help of his
Indian Rishi friend and Master Teacher - the knowledge engraved on
ancient temple stone tablets purported to be well understood by all
Scientists in MU 70,000 years back and earlier. Cynic that I am, I'm
no more impressed by that claim than any of you. But in my
opinion, IF his is QUALITY information... IF you compare Churchward's
scientific explanations with most orthodox past and current similar
explanations and find them "lacking," one would seem remiss to
completely dismiss Churchward's viewpoints.
Where Churchward's geological views
support the existence of a hollow, why not adopt them for now as
SUPPLEMENTARY PROOFS?
Where his "Forces"and other views
(seemingly or actually) CONFLICT with Cater and others, why not just
put those aside on a mental shelf for later consideration - or
refutation?
- Dick Fojut in Tucson.
P.S. One of Churchward's grandsons owns
CHURCHWARD STEEL BOATS, or a name similar to that, (a
manufacturing company). Found him on the internet. Too busy just now
to find the URL. The grandson is prominent in internationally on
behalf of the Tibetan people and efforts to free Tibet from the Red
Chinese occupation.
Churchward during his 30 years in India, spent
some of that time researching ancient records in Tibetan temple
monasteries. They were open to him through letters from his Rishi
teacher in India. Churchward learned to directly translate many
ancient writings and was also fluent in several languages in that
part of the world. An amazing individual, not found in our (orthodox)
history books.
Re: Leslee about El Popo
Dick, James Churchward also travelled to Central America to decipher toltec petroglyphs to substantiate his discovery of Mu, the sunken Pacific Continent, which suggests to me, the Indians native to South America must be of the same race and culture, and descendants of Mu. Hazel.
···
----- Original Message -----
From:
Dick Fojut
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 6:13 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Leslee about El Popo
From Dick Fojut in Tucson to
LESLEE (and anyone interested)...
** I printed out and read your post about predictions concerning EL POPO popping off. The "gifted lady in Florida," JOAN GRIFFITH, mentioned, is Col. James Churchward's step-grandaughter. Have some information about her that may interest you (and others).**
Recall that Churchward claims he learned of Earth's geological history by translating - with the help of his Indian Rishi friend and Master Teacher - the knowledge engraved on ancient temple stone tablets purported to be well understood by all Scientists in MU 70,000 years back and earlier. Cynic that I am, I'm no more impressed by that claim than any of you. ** But in my opinion, IF his is QUALITY information... IF you compare Churchward's scientific explanations with most orthodox past and current similar explanations and find them "lacking," one would seem remiss to completely dismiss Churchward's viewpoints.**
** Where Churchward's geological views support the existence of a hollow, why not adopt them for now as SUPPLEMENTARY PROOFS?**
** Where his "Forces"and other views (seemingly or actually) CONFLICT with Cater and others, why not just put those aside on a mental shelf for later consideration - or refutation?**
- Dick Fojut in Tucson.
P.S. One of Churchward's grandsons owns ** CHURCHWARD STEEL BOATS** , or a name similar to that, (a manufacturing company). Found him on the internet. Too busy just now to find the URL. ** The grandson is prominent in internationally on behalf of the Tibetan people and efforts to free Tibet from the Red Chinese occupation.**
Churchward during his 30 years in India, ** spent some of that time researching ancient records in Tibetan temple monasteries** . They were open to him through letters from his Rishi teacher in India. Churchward learned to directly translate many ancient writings and was also fluent in several languages in that part of the world. An amazing individual, not found in our (orthodox) history books.
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Re: Leslee about El Popo
Dear Dick-
This is a fascinating response to my post. I, myself, have been remiss in reading Churchward, or Lamprecht for that matter. I am fairly new to the concept of a HE other than from a mystical view, and in that view I can say there is one. But alas, I've no proof other than being able to see "it" and have visited in my travels. But, this is not scientific information so I hesitate to post anything further than what I already have in the beginning of joining this group, as it is also not deemed critical.
I also believe that if a HE expedition were put together, perhaps a mystic could be informative as to figuring the location of an entrance in joint with the theories that have been presented-but this is my own thinking. I will say, I am apt to believe that there is more than one entrance, and probably one that would be much more accessible that the openings we have discussed here.
I presented the El Popo post as I am utterly taken by prophecies, and we know this is one of them. But, prophecies also are not scientific, so I did hesitate before I hit "send". I have a hard time trying to understand a HE on hard science alone. Many great books, discoveries, art, beliefs--especially religious teachings, are based on prophecy, and it takes an adept to decipher what the message may be. Add into that, that they were probably passed down through time via word of mouth, so I would expect some changes in what is written and what was exactly witnessed by the prophet. or even the scientist. I, myself, know that many times a mystic/seer/prophet will get pictures that need to be translated into words, or hear words that may not be of their native tongues. So, when some come on site with posts that say "this is the right & only way just read the book", I have to take may factors into consideration when reading the book. Such as--is this information clean, is it straight from the author's experience--or was it told to the author, etc.? Most civilizations are built on science, philosophy, mysticism, etc. To understand a civilization (HE) I think all the aspects that went into building it must be taken into account before anyone can truly understand it.
I so far have only been able to read Cater's book, but I will read Churchward also, and then see what Lamprecht has to add. Perhaps a blend of the three is required to fully understand. Also, I have an inkling that to get to the HE Olaf must have passed through some type of barrier that is unseen from above....or he was teleported. The reason I believe this is because Olaf never mentions in his writing how he entered, and if he was telling his story on his deathbed, then why leave the entrance out--it makes no sense. So, if Olaf indeed entered a HE, then he must not know how he entered, (or the author left it out?)...But he may have drawn into the HE by the HE'ers via some type of what we would consider today as magic.
Thank you so much for sending the information on Joan Griffith, I loved it. And, I can truly relate to her and her gifts. How lucky that you are to be able to converse with her by mail!
In Spirit, Leslee
PS--Dick-- (Churchward during his 30 years in India, spent some of that time researching ancient records in Tibetan temple monasteries. They were open to him through letters from his Rishi teacher in India. Churchward learned to directly translate many ancient writings and was also fluent in several languages in that part of the world. An amazing individual, not found in our (orthodox) history books.) This interests me greatly!
···
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Leslee about El Popo
From Dick Fojut in Tucson to
LESLEE (and anyone interested)...
** I printed out and read your post about predictions concerning EL POPO popping off. The "gifted lady in Florida," JOAN GRIFFITH, mentioned, is Col. James Churchward's step-grandaughter. Have some information about her that may interest you (and others).**
But first, I want to digress momentarily from the above for pertinent reasons...
When I first joined the ah list (after being greatly impressed with Lamprecht on Punnett's Sunday night "Coast to Coast") I naively thought HE list members (like Dean), would appreciate the scientific conceptions of Churchward as SUPPLEMENTARY information to add to the conceptions of Lamprecht, Cater (and Dean's own.) As list members know I've tossed in several Churchward viewpoints on geology and "Forces" (as I partially understand them)... some of which MAY conflict here and there on some points with the above mentioned individuals. ** It seems obvious to me now that instead of examining Churchward's stuff as SUPPLEMENTARY** , some list members view what I've presented about Churchward, as ** COMPETITIVE and threatening** to HE concepts and especially Cater's cosmological views. Maybe so on some points. ** But I personally continue to attempt to RECONCILE, Churchward's views** (which I proudly admit favoring) ** with those held by Cater, Lamprecht, Dean and others in the list. I'd hoped and still hope they may do the same.**
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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Leslee about El
Popo
Dick, James Churchward also travelled to
Central America to decipher toltec petroglyphs to substantiate his
discovery of Mu, the sunken Pacific Continent, which suggests to me,
the Indians native to South America must be of the same race and
culture, and descendants of Mu. Hazel.
Hazel... you amaze me. You
probably know as much (or more) about old Churchward, than I do!
- Dick
···
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick
Fojut
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 6:13 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Leslee about El
PopoFrom Dick Fojut in Tucson to
LESLEE (and anyone interested)...I printed out and read your post about
predictions concerning EL POPO popping off. The "gifted lady in
Florida," JOAN GRIFFITH, mentioned, is Col. James
Churchward's step-grandaughter. Have some information about her that
may interest you (and others).
Recall that Churchward claims he
learned of Earth's geological history by translating - with the help
of his Indian Rishi friend and Master Teacher - the knowledge
engraved on ancient temple stone tablets purported to be well
understood by all Scientists in MU 70,000 years back and earlier.
Cynic that I am, I'm no more impressed by that claim than any of you.
But in my opinion, IF his is QUALITY information... IF you compare
Churchward's scientific explanations with most orthodox past and
current similar explanations and find them "lacking," one
would seem remiss to completely dismiss Churchward's
viewpoints.
Where Churchward's geological views
support the existence of a hollow, why not adopt them for now as
SUPPLEMENTARY PROOFS?
Where his "Forces"and
other views (seemingly or actually) CONFLICT with Cater and others,
why not just put those aside on a mental shelf for later
consideration - or refutation?
- Dick Fojut in Tucson.
P.S. One of Churchward's grandsons owns
CHURCHWARD STEEL BOATS, or a name similar to that, (a
manufacturing company). Found him on the internet. Too busy just now
to find the URL. The grandson is prominent in internationally on
behalf of the Tibetan people and efforts to free Tibet from the Red
Chinese occupation.
Churchward during his 30 years in India,
spent some of that time researching ancient records in Tibetan
temple monasteries. They were open to him through letters from
his Rishi teacher in India. Churchward learned to directly translate
many ancient writings and was also fluent in several languages in
that part of the world. An amazing individual, not found in our
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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Leslee about El
Popo
Dear Leslee...
What you wrote below is excellent. Thank you.
Allows us to better understand your deeper convictions. Can agree
with most everything you said. But I have been impressed by
Lamprecht's downloaded abbreviated book of 100 + pages - (minus
photos,, graphs, etc). And since looked at some of the startling NASA
photos given us by Ralph and others, showing the lights streaming
from both ends of Venus for example, that Jan refers to in his book.
Convincing stuff that seems to indicate a hollow Venus with a
source of illumination inside. I was still very skeptical about
an inhabited HE until seeing photos like that.
Agree about prophecy being uncertain. Have
had some predictions given me by some excellent psychics in the past
(and an excellent astrologer) that proved out with great accuracy
about my personal future. But others fell flat. I think SETH
(through Jane Roberts) made a lot of sense when he commented that
psychics making predictions, have a problem... Some of them may
be "viewing" events in one of the (perhaps infinite?)
alternate "PROBABLE" realities, not this particular"probability." Those psychics who prove to accurately
foresee "future" events in THIS reality or probability are rarer
and should be valued. And as most of you well know, some future
events CAN be changed...
One psychic (I knew in Detroit in the early 1950s)
made her living by giving private readings. She described what she
saw giving readings. She likened it to watching a series of small
events moving in sequence, like "bouncing balls," all the
"balls" coming together to meet and form a SPECIFIC event.
(an accident for example, though not always something negative.) She
found that most ordinary people she read for were so habit bound
and willing victims of life, the event (negative event for
example) would usually happen even if she had forewarned them. But
a few individuals CHANGED their minds, and in their own ways,
deflected some of the "bouncing balls" and the negative events
did not happen.
- Dick
···
Leslee's email...
Dear Dick-
This is a fascinating response to my
post. I, myself, have been remiss in reading Churchward, or
Lamprecht for that matter. I am fairly new to the concept of a
HE other than from a mystical view, and in that view I can say there
is one. But alas, I've no proof other than being able to see
"it" and have visited in my travels. But, this is not
scientific information so I hesitate to post anything further than
what I already have in the beginning of joining this group,
as it is also not deemed critical.
I also believe that if a HE expedition
were put together, perhaps a mystic could be informative as to
figuring the location of an entrance in joint with the theories that
have been presented-but this is my own thinking. I will say, I
am apt to believe that there is more than one entrance, and probably
one that would be much more accessible that the openings we have
discussed here.
I presented the El Popo post as I am
utterly taken by prophecies, and we know this is one of them.
But, prophecies also are not scientific, so I did hesitate before I
hit "send". I have a hard time trying to understand a
HE on hard science alone. Many great books, discoveries,
art, beliefs--especially religious teachings, are based on prophecy,
and it takes an adept to decipher what the message may be. Add
into that, that they were probably passed down through time via word
of mouth, so I would expect some changes in what is written and what
was exactly witnessed by the prophet. or even the scientist. I,
myself, know that many times a mystic/seer/prophet will get pictures
that need to be translated into words, or hear words that may not be
of their native tongues. So, when some come on site with
posts that say "this is the right & only way just read
the book", I have to take may factors into consideration
when reading the book. Such as--is this information clean, is
it straight from the author's experience--or was it told to the
author, etc.? Most civilizations are built on science,
philosophy, mysticism, etc. To understand a civilization (HE) I
think all the aspects that went into building it must be taken into
account before anyone can truly understand it.
I so far have only been able to read
Cater's book, but I will read Churchward also, and then see what
Lamprecht has to add. Perhaps a blend of the three is required
to fully understand. Also, I have an inkling that to get to the
HE Olaf must have passed through some type of barrier that is unseen
from above....or he was teleported. The reason I believe this
is because Olaf never mentions in his writing how he entered, and if
he was telling his story on his deathbed, then why leave the entrance
out--it makes no sense. So, if Olaf indeed entered
a HE, then he must not know how he entered, (or the author left it
out?)...But he may have drawn into the HE by the HE'ers via some type
of what we would consider today as magic.
Thank you so much for sending the
information on Joan Griffith, I loved it. And, I can truly
relate to her and her gifts. How lucky that you are to be able
to converse with her by mail!
In Spirit, Leslee
PS--Dick-- (Churchward
during his 30 years in India, spent some of that time researching
ancient records in Tibetan temple monasteries. They were open to
him through letters from his Rishi teacher in India. Churchward
learned to directly translate many ancient writings and was also
fluent in several languages in that part of the world. An amazing
individual, not found in our (orthodox) history books.) This
interests me greatly!
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Leslee about El Popo
···
----- Original Message -----
From:
Dick Fojut
Dick Wrote:
<I think SETH (through Jane Roberts) ** made a lot of sense when he commented that psychics making predictions, have a problem...** Some of them may be "viewing" events in one of the (perhaps infinite?) alternate "PROBABLE" realities, not this particular "probability." Those psychics who prove to accurately foresee "future" events in THIS reality or probability are rarer and should be valued. And as most of you well know, some future events CAN be changed...
One psychic (I knew in Detroit in the early 1950s) made her living by giving private readings. She described what she saw giving readings. ** She likened it to watching a series of small events moving in sequence, like "bouncing balls," all the "balls" coming together to meet and form a SPECIFIC event** . (an accident for example, though not always something negative.) She found that most ordinary people she read for were ** so habit bound and willing victims of life,** the event (negative event for example) would usually happen even if she had forewarned them. ** But a few individuals CHANGED their minds, and in their own ways, deflected some of the "bouncing balls" and the negative events did not happen.>**
Dick-
I agree with your friend. Many people can change the outcome of any reading--I always tell my clients "This is not caste in stone-- you are coming to me to glimpse the future, if there are things I see that are not of your liking, then the reason for this reading is so you can change them!" We are the masters of our own destiny if we would only take the responsibility.
Movie time! Good night, Leslee
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Leslee wrote: I am fairly new to the concept of a HE other than from a mystical view, and in that view I can say there is one. But alas, I've no proof other than being able to see "it" and have visited in my travels. But, this is not scientific information so I hesitate to post anything further than what I already have in the beginning of joining this group, as it is also not deemed critical.
I think the mystical connection to the Hollow Earth is of the utmost importance, as critical as scientific proof. Pagan religion centred around portals and gateways to the 'otherworld' (holy sites, now occupied by churches) and astral journeys to the 'realm of the gods' is fundamental to initiates. It was the duty of all Maya, to arouse the divine serpent (Kundalini) thus 'conquering' the gods of the underworld. ie, overcoming the karmic cycle of birth and death.
I also believe that if a HE expedition were put together, perhaps a mystic could be informative as to figuring the location of an entrance in joint with the theories that have been presented-but this is my own thinking.
That is my thinking to, intuition is what led me to the hollow earth, as a fact.
Also, I have an inkling that to get to the HE Olaf must have passed through some type of barrier that is unseen from above....or he was teleported. The reason I believe this is because Olaf never mentions in his writing how he entered, and if he was telling his story on his deathbed, then why leave the entrance out--it makes no sense. So, if Olaf indeed entered a HE, then he must not know how he entered, (or the author left it out?)...But he may have drawn into the HE by the HE'ers via some type of what we would consider today as magic.
This is entirely possible and I'm sure has occured. The Hollow Earth is a spiritual world, and only worthy people are permitted entry. They have high-tech methods of preventing you, whether it's hollogramatic images to disorientate you, or physical means. But Olaf was immersed in a 'vapourish fog' in a raging storm, like a whirpool, for three hours from which they did not think they would survive. When the storm abated and they saw the aurora and the 'smokey god.' Hazel
Re: Leslee about El Popo
Dick,
I wasn't big on that one idea of Churchward about a tidal wave due toa pole shift depositing the mammoth bones at the point of the New Siberian Islands, but other ideas of his might be just wonderful.
You are welcome to talk about himn on the list and familiarize us with his ideas.
Dharma/Dean
···
When I first joined the ah list (after being greatly impressed with Lamprecht on Punnett's Sunday night "Coast to Coast") I naively thought HE list members (like Dean), would appreciate the scientific conceptions of Churchward as SUPPLEMENTARY information to add to the conceptions of Lamprecht, Cater (and Dean's own.) As list members know I've tossed in several Churchward viewpoints on geology and "Forces" (as I partially understand them)... some of which MAY conflict here and there on some points with the above mentioned individuals. ** It seems obvious to me now that instead of examining Churchward's stuff as SUPPLEMENTARY** , some list members view what I've presented about Churchward, as ** COMPETITIVE and threatening** to HE concepts and especially Cater's cosmological views. Maybe so on some points. ** But I personally continue to attempt to RECONCILE, Churchward's views** (which I proudly admit favoring) ** with those held by Cater, Lamprecht, Dean and others in the list. I'd hoped and still hope they may do the same.**
Re: Leslee about El Popo
. Also, I have an inkling that to get to the HE Olaf must have passed through some type of barrier that is unseen from above....or he was teleported. The reason I believe this is because Olaf never mentions in his writing how he entered, and if he was telling his story on his deathbed, then why leave the entrance out--it makes no sense. So, if Olaf indeed entered a HE, then he must not know how he entered, (or the author left it out?)...But he may have drawn into the HE by the HE'ers via some type of what we would consider today as magic.
···
Leslee,
What Olaf described was the sun of the solar system disappearing, sinking lower and stuff, while the central sun rose in front of them according to their progress, and then finding land. I think we are supposed to conclude from this.
It is not as if a tunnel opened up in front of them. At the neck the opening shold be a couple of hundred miles across. The curvature is gradual, though foreshortened, and one doen't exactly perceive what is happening unless he knows how to interpret the symptoms.
DD
Re: Leslee about El Popo
Hey All,
Change the titles on your click-back posts.
Dharma/Dean
Re: [allplanets-hollow]
Churchward
Dean... your kind words are appreciated. And I probably will blow
off my mouth now an then if I think it appropriate... but really,
I hope you and some of the others will pick up his books for
yourselves (used book stores, libraries or internet) and read
and judge for yourselves, one way or the other. I may be screwing
up some of his But thanks again. You made my day!
- Dick
···
Dick,
I wasn't big on that one
idea of Churchward about a tidal wave due toa pole shift depositing
the mammoth bones at the point of the New Siberian Islands,
but other ideas of his might be just
wonderful.
You are welcome to talk
about himn on the list and familiarize us with his
ideas.
Dharma/DeanWhen I first joined the ah list (after being
greatly impressed with Lamprecht on Punnett's Sunday night
"Coast to Coast") I naively thought HE list members (like
Dean), would appreciate the scientific conceptions of Churchward as
SUPPLEMENTARY information to add to the conceptions of
Lamprecht, Cater (and Dean's own.) As list members know I've tossed
in several Churchward viewpoints on geology and "Forces"
(as I partially understand them)... some of which MAY conflict
here and there on some points with the above mentioned individuals.
It seems obvious to me now that instead of examining
Churchward's stuff as SUPPLEMENTARY, some list members view what
I've presented about Churchward, as COMPETITIVE and
threatening to HE concepts and especially Cater's cosmological
views. Maybe so on some points. But I personally continue to
attempt to RECONCILE, Churchward's views (which I proudly admit
favoring) with those held by Cater, Lamprecht, Dean and others in
the list. I'd hoped and still hope they may do the
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Re: Leslee about El Popo
Hazel,
I'm not trying to impose any absolute understandings on the entry of Jens and Olaf Jansen into the hollow Earth, but I do feel that what was described was simply a gradual passage through a large Polar orifice. The fog isn't necessarily out of character in this regard, nor the storm.
Dharma/Dean
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Leslee wrote: I am fairly new to the concept of a HE other than from a mystical view, and in that view I can say there is one. But alas, I've no proof other than being able to see "it" and have visited in my travels. But, this is not scientific information so I hesitate to post anything further than what I already have in the beginning of joining this group, as it is also not deemed critical.
I think the mystical connection to the Hollow Earth is of the utmost importance, as critical as scientific proof. Pagan religion centred around portals and gateways to the 'otherworld' (holy sites, now occupied by churches) and astral journeys to the 'realm of the gods' is fundamental to initiates. It was the duty of all Maya, to arouse the divine serpent (Kundalini) thus 'conquering' the gods of the underworld. ie, overcoming the karmic cycle of birth and death.
I also believe that if a HE expedition were put together, perhaps a mystic could be informative as to figuring the location of an entrance in joint with the theories that have been presented-but this is my own thinking.
That is my thinking to, intuition is what led me to the hollow earth, as a fact.
Also, I have an inkling that to get to the HE Olaf must have passed through some type of barrier that is unseen from above....or he was teleported. The reason I believe this is because Olaf never mentions in his writing how he entered, and if he was telling his story on his deathbed, then why leave the entrance out--it makes no sense. So, if Olaf **indeed** entered a HE, then he must not know how he entered, (or the author left it out?)...But he may have drawn into the HE by the HE'ers via some type of what we would consider today as magic.
This is entirely possible and I'm sure has occured. The Hollow Earth is a spiritual world, and only worthy people are permitted entry. They have high-tech methods of preventing you, whether it's hollogramatic images to disorientate you, or physical means. But Olaf was immersed in a 'vapourish fog' in a raging storm, like a whirpool, for three hours from which they did not think they would survive. When the storm abated and they saw the aurora and the 'smokey god.' Hazel
Re: Leslee about El Popo
Dean, I got my information from Alec MacLellan's 'Hollow Earth Enigma,' whether there is any such reference to 'fog' in the Smokey God, I don't know. I haven't read the complete book. But the passage to the centre of the Earth is often described as 'misty.' Hazel
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From:
Dean De Lucia
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 11:46 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Olaf and the " entrance "
Hazel,
I'm not trying to impose any absolute understandings on the entry of Jens and Olaf Jansen into the hollow Earth, but I do feel that what was described was simply a gradual passage through a large Polar orifice. The fog isn't necessarily out of character in this regard, nor the storm.
Dharma/Dean
Leslee wrote: I am fairly new to the concept of a HE other than from a mystical view, and in that view I can say there is one. But alas, I've no proof other than being able to see "it" and have visited in my travels. But, this is not scientific information so I hesitate to post anything further than what I already have in the beginning of joining this group, as it is also not deemed critical.
I think the mystical connection to the Hollow Earth is of the utmost importance, as critical as scientific proof. Pagan religion centred around portals and gateways to the 'otherworld' (holy sites, now occupied by churches) and astral journeys to the 'realm of the gods' is fundamental to initiates. It was the duty of all Maya, to arouse the divine serpent (Kundalini) thus 'conquering' the gods of the underworld. ie, overcoming the karmic cycle of birth and death.
I also believe that if a HE expedition were put together, perhaps a mystic could be informative as to figuring the location of an entrance in joint with the theories that have been presented-but this is my own thinking.
That is my thinking to, intuition is what led me to the hollow earth, as a fact.
Also, I have an inkling that to get to the HE Olaf must have passed through some type of barrier that is unseen from above....or he was teleported. The reason I believe this is because Olaf never mentions in his writing how he entered, and if he was telling his story on his deathbed, then why leave the entrance out--it makes no sense. So, if Olaf **indeed** entered a HE, then he must not know how he entered, (or the author left it out?)...But he may have drawn into the HE by the HE'ers via some type of what we would consider today as magic.
This is entirely possible and I'm sure has occured. The Hollow Earth is a spiritual world, and only worthy people are permitted entry. They have high-tech methods of preventing you, whether it's hollogramatic images to disorientate you, or physical means. But Olaf was immersed in a 'vapourish fog' in a raging storm, like a whirpool, for three hours from which they did not think they would survive. When the storm abated and they saw the aurora and the 'smokey god.' Hazel
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Re: Leslee about El Popo
List members,
Since the subject of Jens and Olaf Jansen has popped up, I would like to take the opportunity of pointing out a correspondence between Cater’s concept of gravity being caused by an electromagnetic radiation, which exerts repulsion on negatively charged mass. ( Clouds, levitation of yogis )
At the bottom, you all will see something which I cut and pasted from Olaf Jansen’s story about a type of public transportation which he witnessed, and how it was lifted and propelled!
Here is Cater:
“ The Searl effect is deeply involved with the behavior of everything that spins on an axis. Consider the spinning top or gyro. Conventional science has never come up with anything even remotely resembling an explanation concerning its behavior. Physicists try to create the iilusion that they understand it and camouflage their ignorance with nebulous descriptions of its action accompanied by meaningless equations. A precessing gyro actually confutes the basic foundations of conventional physics. For example, as it precesses, its center of mass extends well beyond its point of contact with the surface. It should tip over according to all the rules of academic physics. What force prevents it? Also the moment of inerta increases with the RPM, a property which is utilized for stabilizers. Also, according to the ‘ laws ‘ of orthodox physics, the moment of inertia is constant.
The explanation becomes almost self-evident in the light of the principles already expounded upon. AT A CRITICAL RPM, THE OUTER RIM BECOMES HEAVILY CHARGED NEGATIVELY, WHICLE THE PORTION CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF MASS BEGINS TO TAK ON A POSITIVE CHARGE. THE RIM TENDS TO BE REPELLED UPWARDS BY THE EARTH’S GRAVITY. The total effect is a counterclockwise motion about the point of contact, [ of the top or gyro on the floor ] which counterbalances the clockwise torque tending to tip it over.
Now, here is what Olaf saw:
“ we were taken overland to the city of ‘ Eden,’ in a conveyance different from anything we have in Europe or America. This vehicle was doubtless some electrical contrivance. It was noiseless, and ran on a single iron rail in perfect balance. The trip was made at a very high rate of speed. We were carried up hills and down dales, across valleys and again along the sides of steep mountains, without any apparent attempt having been made to level the earth as we do for railroad tracks. The car seats were huge yet comfortable affairs, and very high above the floor of the car. On the top of each car were high geared fly wheels lying on their sides, which were so automatically adjusted that, as the speed of the car increased, the high speed of these fly wheels geometrically increased. Jules Galdea explained to us that these revolving fan-like wheels on top of the cars destroyed atmospheric pressure, or what is generally understood by the term gravitation, and with this force thus destroyed or rendered nugatory [ trifling ], the car is as safe from falling to one side or to other from the single ray track as if it were in a vacuum; the fly wheels in their rapid revolutions destrying effectually the so-called power of gravitation, or the force of atmospheric pressure or whatever potent influence it may be that causes all unsupported things to fall downward to the earth's surface or to the nearest point of resistance."
Members-
Remember that the nature of gravity has a lot to do with the possibility of Cavern Worlds and the hollow Earth existing, so the nature of gravity is always a point of interest for us.
Posted by Dharma/Dean
Re: Leslee about El Popo
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Dean, I got my information from Alec MacLellan's 'Hollow Earth Enigma,' whether there is any such reference to 'fog' in the Smokey God, I don't know. I haven't read the complete book. But the passage to the centre of the Earth is often described as 'misty.' Hazel
Hazel,
Well, let's think about it. The reason that Olaf talked about a " Smokey God " in the first place was because of the mist which surrounds even their sun! This mist seems to be due to the breakup of soft particles. The congregation of soft particles in the center of the sphere and their breakup, which releases the warm, hard particles within, is part and parcel of Cater's HE model.
The soft particles build up within and flow out through the opening. During auroral displays, they spurt out, and finally break apart a little higher up, disintegrating into their constituent visible light forming the actual display.
Anyway, the whole book Smokey God is posted: http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index2.html
Let me know what you think.
Later,
Dean
--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Dean De Lucia" <0108@t...> wrote:
From "Echoes of the World Cauldron," CCCC, published by
Hidden Mysteries (http://www.hiddenmysteries.com):
"This image of the underworld as a cauldron was often
synonymous with, or related to, the womb/maw of the Earth
Mother/Death Goddess herself. From Hvergelmir flowed the
Gjoll, which surrounded Helheim like a moat, or a cauldron's lip.
This is perhaps more meaningful than is at first apparent. The
raging Hvergelmir was the source of eleven rivers in total: in
addition to the Gjoll, there were the Svol, Gunnthrun, Fimbulthul,
Fjorm, Slid, Sylg, Hrid, Vid, Ylg, and the Leipt. It is interesting to
note the similarity between the name of the river Leipt, and that of
the river of forgetfulness, the Lethe, from the Greek picture of
Tartarus. The eleven tributaries of the Hvergelmir emptied into
the central void of Ginnungagap.
"The second of Yggdrasil's roots found it's way into the lands of
the Gods, Asgard and Vanaheim. Again we find a wellspring or
flowing water source, this time in the form of the Well of Urd,
known as the Well of Destiny. Here dwelt the gods, and the three
Norns of the Well, the latter synonymous with the Greek Fates.
While often pictured in a poetic sense as a land lofty and high in
Yggdrasil's branches, this realm was in fact a subterranean one
as well (as it's location by root and well attest). In fact, the only
world of the Norse cosmology which can be said to be
non-subterranean is that of Midgard (Middle-Earth), the surface
world of human beings. Bifrost, the "Rainbow Bridge" which
stretched across Ginnungagap and into Asgard from Midgard,
may have been attributable to the imagined rainbows created
where the waters of the surface world fell away to crash into the
pit of the underworld, a place of mists and clouds. "
--Mike
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Churchward
List Members,
List members,
The following comments are from my article on " Etidorhpa phenomenon " entitled " You Could Learn a Lot from a Daitya." http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index13.html The comments by The Guide correspond to Mr. Cater's explanation that sunlight undergoes a transformation then pentrates the Earth's shell as soft particles, releasing heat and light in the depths below, creating and making possible cavern worlds a la paradise due to the prana rich environments that the process creates. ( Soft particles are prana/orgone )
" Another phenomenon which The Man reported was an all-pervading luminosity at great depths below the surface of the Earth. The Man reported that a gray haze began to appear, followed further down by a more localized luminosity, followed yet further by a fully illuminating “ soft light.” His guide explained the nature of the light very well, yet simply, by asking rhetorically about the fact that the Earth receives more light from the Sun than the Earth radiates back out, and whether The Man really thought that the Earth’s shell were an obstacle for the passage of the Sun’s energy? The guide went on to state that Sun’s radiation ' seeps through the Earth as a fluid and returns to the Sun not discernible by man.'"
Posted by Dharma/Dean
Re: Leslee about El Popo
List Members,
The capture of hard particles by soft ones is very important in Cater's hollow Earth model. " Captured " in this way, hard particles penetrate through the Earth's shell where they help to bring about various geological phenomena such as earthquakes, volcanic activity, heating, and the formation of the inner sun. Specifically, hard particles, according to Cater, are " made of photons of light in the ultrahigh frequency range of the gamma rays." They are the ones which provide a sense of touch and heat.
Anyway, read Cater's presentation of an experiment which demonstrated the ability of soft electrons to house and camouflage hard particles. It is only a tidbit, the whole book is always there for you to read.
I will send, by separate e - mail, Mr. Cater's drawing depicting the phenomenon of capture. Here is a part of the caption, I am only going to send the drawing in the next post:
" Two particles differing greatly in the frequency range of the photons of which they are comprised have little tendency to repel or attract each other. Therefore, they tend to interpenetrate as shown ...
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If the frequency difference is too great, the soft particle is unable to hold on to the harder one, and the harder particle passes readily through it without being captured."
Soft particles are the orgone of William Reich.
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Posted by Dharma/Dean
--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Dean De Lucia" <0108@t...> wrote:
The capture of hard particles by soft ones is very important in
Cater's hollow Earth model. " Captured " in this way, hard
particles penetrate through the Earth's shell where they help to
bring about various geological phenomena such as
earthquakes, volcanic activity, heating, and the formation of the
inner sun. Specifically, hard particles, according to Cater, are "
made of photons of light in the ultrahigh frequency range of the
gamma rays." They are the ones which provide a sense of
touch and heat.
Dean, I bet Max Rible would find this attachment of interest!
Might make him think....
--Mike