Keith,
A very informative article, the infor is right on the money.
I hope the list members watchc it. It is short.
Dean
It is very interesting that that Dragon/Reptile mythos is common throughout time and space in the history of humanity. Where could have it come from? There was of course limited travel and cultural exchange. Same with many of the pyramids that dot the world. I doubt the Bosians, Egyptians and the Mayans were sending each other faxes of blueprints.
Posted by Gary a long time ago.
Dean
In Hindu mythology there are many tales of the Nâgas
In Hindu mythology there are many tales of the
Nâgas, a race of semi-divine serpent-people, who ruled a subterranean
kingdom, Patala, filled with incredible wealth. Patala was said to be
the lowest of the seven regions of the Indian underworld.
These regions are collectively called Bila-svarga, the 'subterranean
heaven', which is described as a place of great beauty. The Sun and Moon
cannot be seen there, but the jewels decorating the hoods of the Nâgas
are said to emit an effulgence that illuminates the entire region of
Bila-svarga. Few mortals were ever allowed to enter the lower world, but
there were said to be many hidden entrances in the mountains of India
and Kashmir. In Tibet there is a major mystical shrine called Patala,
which is said to lie above an ancient cavern and tunnel system,
extending throughout the Asian continent and possibly beyond. The Nâgas
are related to the Rakshasas, an underworld race of beings, who possess a
magical stone or third eye in the middle of the forehead.
The
word Nâga is a Sanskrit word referring to an entity taking the form of a
very large snake or a humanoid being containing serpent-like features
(generally the head and scales of a snake with a relatively 'human' body
underneath). The term for a male Nâga remains as 'Nâga', but a female
Nâga is known as a 'Nâgî' (and sometimes as a 'Nâgîni').
All
Nâgas are believed to have originally descended from the sage Kashyapa
and his consort Kadru, the daughter of Daksha. Of the Nâgas which
inhabit this planet, some are said to dwell deep within the ocean whilst
another type of Nâga is said to live very deep under the surface of the
Earth in subterranean cities. Some are also said to sleep on top of
ant-hills.
The Nâgas feature prominently in both Hindu and
Buddhist mythologies. In Hindu mythology, Nâgas are generally associated
with water. They are considered to be the protectors of springs, wells
and rivers. Nâgas are also believed to be able to bring rain (and thus
fertility) but also disasters such as floods and droughts when they are
angered or otherwise displeased in some way. According to some Hindu
traditions, Nâgas only behave malevolently towards humans when they have
considered themselves to have been mistreated by them. Numerous Nâgas
are said to populate Patala, the 7th of the 'nether' realms. The capital
city of Patala is Bhogavati and here dwells Shesha, the King of all
Nàgas. In terms of appearance, Nâgas wear precious jewels on their heads
and are usually shown in three forms: as humans with snake heads, - the
upper portion of their body human, the lower portion, snake-like, - and
as snakes.
Some stories claim the venom of the Nâgas to be
deadly and their breath to be poisonous. The glance of a Nâga was often
said to be deadly. Some were even said to be carnivorous towards humans
and had a fondness for the taste of human flesh (does this sound
familiar to modern accounts of so-called 'reptilian humanoid'
extraterrestrial entities?.
The Nâgas are also said to carry
the elixir of life and immortality. One story mentions that when the
gods were rationing out the elixir of immortality, the Nâgas grabbed a
cup. The gods were able to retrieve the cup, but in doing so, spilled a
few drops on the ground. The Nâgas quickly licked up the drops, but in
doing so, cut their tongues on the grass, and since then their tongues
have been forked.
According to Buddhist mythology, the Nâgas
are minor deities who are the enemies of the Garudas, who are also minor
deities but resemble giant humanoid eagles and eat them. There are some
stories in both Hindu and Buddhist myths which state that the Nâgas
learnt how to prevent themselves from being eaten by the Garudas by
ingesting large stones and thus becoming too heavy in weight to be
carried away and swallowed by the Garudas. The diet of a Nâga is said to
consist mainly of frogs and small insects and they enjoy drinking milk.
Some Nâgas are said to have shape-shifting abilities and could thus
integrate themselves into human societies by assuming human forms. Here
is a list of some of the most prominent Nâgas of Hindu mythology:
*Mucalinda -protector of Gautama Buddha
*Ananta -the serpent with a hundred heads upon whom Vishnu sleeps
*Balarama -an incarnation of Ananta
*Ulupi -the companion of Arjuna in the epic poem Mahabharata
*Karkotaka -controls weather
*Padmavati -the Nâgî queen & companion of Dharanendra
*Paravataksha -his sword caused earthquakes & his roar thunder
*Takshaka & Vasuki -the rulers of the Nâgas
Hi @deandddd , since you bring up these mythological descriptions of the Naga (Reptilian people) , I immediately made a correlation with one of my own earlier posts on the Giza Sphinx .
You see , when Alexander was returning from Indian subcontinent , the Greek Chroniclers very diligently recorded all their observations in that journey across the Indus Valley and then the Baluchistan desert bordering ancient Persia (Iran) .
So take a closer look at this map showing the exact land route Alexander took on his way back from the Indian subcontinent...do you see the city of "Pattala" ? Well , Alexander began his return journey from Pattala , on the banks of the river Indus - this is incredible stuff , because it provides actual HISTORICAL validation of certain very strange stories mentioned in the Ramayana epic :-
**You see , one of the most unusual episodes of Ramayana describes , how Ahiravan , one of the brothers of the evil king Ravana , was the ruler of the underworld "Pattala" and had abducted the heroes Ram & his younger brother Lakshman (while they were asleep) , then taken them to his underworld lair (from where they were rescued by Hanuman)....so , this map of Alexander's journey , proves that a city by the name "Pattala" indeed existed and it was from there that an opening to the underworld may have commenced , during the Ramayan era , of 5,000 B.C.
The second major milestone in Alexander's return journey was a place you see on this map by the name "Rhambacia" , the Greek pronounciation of Rambagh - the garden of Ram , as described in the Ramayan epic.
The existence of this Rambagh has remained a myth for thousands of years , to such an extent that even Hindus often dismiss this as "just a story" , because nobody knows for sure , where this Rambagh was actually located . You see , wells in the arid Baluchistan region mostly yield brackish water , except for Rambagh , which as per the Ramayan epic, was uniquely endowed with several fresh water wells . Locals of Pakistan till today call that area of precious fresh water wells "Ram chander ki Kup" , meaning the fresh water wells of Ram .
It is believed that after Ram had slain the evil king of Lanka , Ravan - he , his wife Sita and brother Lakshman had undertaken a pilgrimage (by foot) , to the extremely ancient Hinglaj Mata shrine in Baluchistan , that happens to be situated just 49 Km away from the equally ancient Great Baluchistan Sphinx (yes !) :))
You will be astounded to know that this authentic Greek account from 321 B.C. , is undisputedly , THE oldest historical reference anywhere , to the name of Ram....incredibly , NOT a single mainstream historian has picked up on the significance of this fact .
***When the British ruled India , they had ridiculed the authenticity of the Ramayan epic , including the somewhat confusing geographical descriptions mentioned in that text . They used to challenge Indians to show them proof of ANY truly ancient place in India , named after Ram . (Ironically , all the places in Indian subcontinent currently named after Ram , are achaeologically , of relatively recent origin)
Now this reference from an old Greek chronicle of Alexander's era , provides just the sort of FACTUAL validation of the Ramayan epic , which was needed to verify it , but that was missing for thousands of years !!
Regards
Sidhartha,
You make some amazing connections.
That Baluchistan Sphinx must be extremely, extremely old. Could it have been defaced by a nuclear blast during the Bhagavad Gita War? And I wonder what's below it. I am sure that the Pakistanis don't want us to know bcause anything Hindu would diminish their Islamic position.
Just imagine what Pakistan, Persia and Arabia must have been like before the Islamic revolution. Like a very big India in its prime.
Dean
You are right @deandddd , some of these places like Hinglaj Mata temple and the Baluchistan Sphinx seem literally older than time itself :)) . I can imagine Alexander's thirsty army trudging past this barren place , watched by the Sphinx....
The Hinglaj Mata temple that's built inside a natural hill cave , was considered an ancient place of pilgrimage , even during the Ramayan era of 5,000 B.C. (7,000 years ago) !
As for the Baluchistan Sphinx...there are no words to describe that site....it's kind of hypnotic....sometimes it feels like a memory from some past life...I have paused this video several times and seen it very closely in a full screen view - either my eyes are playing tricks or I can see GIGANTIC manmade structures all around it , just that they are coated with so many layers of sediment , it's hard to even recognise them as manmade .
The whole place looks like a muddy version of the Grand Canyon :))
Regards
Sidhartha,
I wish to confront you on the time frame, though. I have no problem in accepting the time frame that the Vedic literature speaks of. Just to give the list members an idea, the Rama incarnation, written about in the Ramayan, appeared towards the end of the Treta Yuga, if I am not mistaken. The Kali yuga has been in operation for a mere 5,000 years. The Dvarpara Yuga was 864,000 years long. The Treta Yuga was 1,296,000 years long. If Rama appeared at the end of the Treta yuga, that would put his incarnation as far back as 900,000 years.
You know, if you read the appendices of the book Forbidden Archaeology, you'll see the explanation about a gold chain and a coin being found in coal mining operations, the chain being something like 260 - 320 million years old, because the strata at which it was found was so deep that it corresponded to this time frame. (I'll stick in an excerpt just below)
And there have been other such discoveries found in mines, including a wall that seems to encompass an area the size of a farm, with exactly smooth sides, of exact and constant dimensions and following along lines as straight as a ruler. The mining company spent much resources excavating along its outlines. I forgot the time frame, the supposed age, but I think that you get the idea. I believe that this is related in the Warren Smith book, which I will post to the list in a little bit.
Recently, researchers are giving dates to the Sphinx in Egypt of 15,000 years and way, way prior to that. According to the Vedic scheme, civilization on our planet is supposed to be permanent, but cyclical. I would accept that the Rama incarnation could be 900,000 years old, and perhaps the Baluchistan Sphinx, too. If it was carved in rock, it could be much more permanent than the sphinx in Egypt,even. It could b a million years old; after all, mountains can be that old, and the Baluchistan sphinx is carved into a mountain.
And I doubt that the Rama incarnation appeared in India, too. There is no monument worthy of him in India, and the Spinxes in Baluchistan and Egypt could both qualify. And it seems obvious to me that Vedic civilization was introduced into Central Asia, Pakistan and India - from the "Arctic Home of the Vedas" - towards the end of the Kali Yuga, but prior to the beginning of the Kali Yuga.
(List members - the "Arctic Home of Vedic Civilization" concept refers to the area around the orifice, the North Pole, and the civilization from within that was clustered around the orifice)
And if you read the storyline of the Parasuram incarnation, you'll see that he confronted the warrior clans 21 times within the madhyata/hollow earth and that he banished them "out" of that place, which would justify this theme of Tilak's, of The Arctic Home of the Vedas. The Europeans are all of warrior stock - banished warrior stock - which is why they have always had an unbalanced society. The descend from the banished warrior caste.
Remember that when we think of Indo European history, most of it took place in the hollow earth, of which we know almost nothing. For example, is there a monument to Rama in the hollow earth? Do they claim that He was born there?
And why wouldn't Vedic society, which is simply a society which was engendered and fostered by the celestials - not the society of a sectarian religion - why would it not exist permenently within the hollow earth? You know, the Puranas tell that, at the end of the Kaliyuga, which is the end of the yuga cycle of four yugas, the Kalki Avatar advents and does away with the demons that will have overrun the planet, within and without, and then repopulates the surface with men from the hollow earth, just as the next Yuga cycle, beginning with another Satya Yuga, begins. At that time, Vedic society is described as still being intact, all the way from the beginning of one yuga cycle to the next one; from Satya Yuga to Satya Yuga. There is even to be a city that will still be standing, I mean, I'm sure that there will be many, but at least the Puranas mention Shambala, and there will be a family of the brahmin caste in that city that will give birth to the Kalki incarnation. So the brahmin caste in the hollow earth will still be in existence at the end of the yuga cycle.
You can stick with modern chronology if you would like, but then you would have a hard time explaining away age estimates of the Illinois State Geological Survey, and the Puranic/Vedic version of things. And it is in the Puranas that there is so much mention of underground worlds within the crust and in the hollow cavity.
I think that one thing we want to do is avoid accepting the part of the Puranic/Vedic version that fits into modern stipulations, such as chronological timelines, and ignoring the parts that we cannot fit into modern stipulations.
Here is the piece from Forbidden Archaeology:
In Appendix A2.9, information about a gold chain in carboniferous coal from Morrisonville, Illinois, is presented. “On June 11, 1891, The Morrisonville Times Reported: ‘A curious find was brought to light by Mrs. S.W. Culp last Tuesday morning. As she was breaking a lump of coal preparatory to putting it in the scuttle, she discovered, as the lump fell apart, embedded in a circular shape, a small gold chain about ten inches in length of antique and quaint workmanship. At first Mrs. Culp thought the chain had been dropped accidentally in the coal, but as she undertook to lift the chain up, the idea of its having been recently dropped was at once made fallacious, for as the lump of coal broke, it separated almost in the middle, and the circular position of the chain placed the two ends near to each other. And as the lump separated, the middle of the chain became loosened while each end remained embedded [embutido] in the coal. This is a study for students of archeology who love to puzzle their brains over the geological construction of the Earth from whose ancient depth the curious is always dropping out. The lump of coal from which the chain was taken was supposed to come from the Taylorville or Pana mines (southern Illinois State, USA) and almost hushes one’s breath with mystery when it is thought for how many long ages the Earth has been forming strata after strata which hid the golden links from view. The chain was of eight-carat gold and weighed eight penny-weights.’”
“In a letter to Ron Calais, Mrs. Vernon W. Lauer, the present publisher of The Morrisonville Times , stated: ‘Mr. Culp was editor and publisher of the Times in 1891. Mrs. Culp, who made the discovery, moved to Taylorville after his death … and her death occurred on February 3, 1959”. Calais told our research assistant (Stephan Bernath) that he had information that the chain was given to one of Mrs. Culp’s relatives after her death, but Calais could not trace the chain further.”
“The Illinois State Geological Survey has stated the coal in which the gold chain was found is 260 – 320 million years old. This raises the possibility that culturally advanced human beings were present in North America at that time .” [Emphasis mine – Dean Dominic De Lucia, the author]
In the same Appendix from Forbidden archaeology, there is another description which is useful because it involves a coin with an inscription on it. It is difficult to confuse a coin with something formed naturally. It is obvious that a coin is an artificial artifact. From Page 801: “In 1871, William E. Dubois of the Smithsonian Institute reported on several man-made objects found at deep levels in the State of Illinois. The first object was a copper quasi coin from Lawn Ridge in Marshall County. In a letter to the Smithsonian Institute, J.W. Moffit [the person who made the discovery – comment by the author] stated that in August, 1870, he was drilling a well [pouço] using a common ground auger [broca] … he brought the auger up from a depth of 125 feet. … Using this sequence of strata, the Illinois State Geological Survey gave an estimate for the age of the deposits at a 114 foot level. They would have formed during the Yarmouthian Interglacial period “sometime between 200,000 and 400,000 years ago”. W.E. Dubois said that the shape of the quasi coin was ‘polygonal approaching to circular’ and that it showed crudely portrayed figures and inscriptions on both sides. The inscriptions were in a language that Dubois could not recognize. … Noting the coin’s uniform thickness, he said that the coin must have ‘passed through a rolling mill …’. Furthermore, Dubois reported that the coin must have been cut with shears or a chisel, and the sharp edges filed down”. The author of Forbidden Archaeology went on to say “According to standard views, metal coins were first used in Asia Minot during first Century, B.C.”
@deandddd , I am mostly in agreement with your contention on the potentially vast timescales for such ancient monuments as the Sphinx(es) , as also your comments about the numerous Hollow Earth references in the Puranas .
However , the only part I differ on is that the present day borders of India contain just about 50% of the land area , that greater India once encompassed .
The whole of Pakistan , Afghanistan and even Eastern Iran were once an integral part of ancient India , not just during the Vedic times , followed by the Ramayan era & then later , also the Mahabharat age , but extending right upto the time of the Buddha .
It is only after Alexander's invasion , that the greater India of more ancient times , began to fragment .
Regards
Siddhartha,
I am glad that you agree on the time scales.
I would broaden "Greater India" more than that. Surely pre Islamic India encompassed from India to Central asia to The Mecca and Saudia Arabia.
But following long the lines of Tilak's The Arctic Home of the Vedas, and the work of P. N. Oaks - Our World Vedic Heritage, I would say that Vedic culture on the surface extended from the Arctic (when it was warm), down through Europe as far as Italy and Spain, northern Africa as far as Mauritania/Richart Structure/Atlantis, and back across northern Africa to Arabia and India again. Oh ... and Southeast Asia.
Dean
@deandddd , as you highlighted in your earlier post , the Vedas are believed to be eternal , as is the Vedic culture , which probably propagates from Hollow Earth , to the surface , at the end of each Chaturyuga cycle .
It must be mentioned here that the Vedic age itself , that coincides with the Satyuga of each Chaturyuga cycle is a vast timescale . The ratio of the 4 ages and the Chronology is as follows :-
Satyuga : Tretayuga : Dwapar Yuga : Kaliyuga = 4:3:2:1
This means , the Satyuga or the Vedic age in any Chaturyuga cycle is 40% of the total time contained in that Chaturyuga cycle .
Therefore , at the beginning of the Satyuga in the current Chaturyuga cycle , the Vedic culture that originated from the Hollow Earth , initially re-emerged onto the surface from the North Polar opening , hence it explains the "Arctic home of the Vedas" . Towards the later part of Satyuga , the Vedic culture reached Greater India , wherein the Vedic literature was finally collated and compiled .
At the end of the Satyuga (Vedic Age) , the Tretayug began wherein events of the Ramayana epic took place in undivided India of yore...at the end of the Dwapar Yuga , the events of Mahabharata epic took place in Greater India of yore .
Then in the early part of the Kaliyuga , the Buddha was born in Undivided India....that explains the giant Buddha statues of Bamiyan that were found in Afghanistan (dynamited by the Taliban in 2001) and the oldest Buddha statues EVER found , were from Mes Aynak , on the outskirts of Kabul...
Regards
Sidhartha,
There were some border markings found buried, with dates on them indicating about 4,000 years ago, and with the date of that king that patronized Buddha (Ashoka ?). India was so powerful back then; they spread Buddhism all the way across China to Korea and Japan. And on the other side, at least up to Half-gone-istan, I mean Afghanistan.
Buddha was always dated in relation to that kind, because there has been more evidence conserved in relation to kings than to Buddha. The confusion enters the picture because there was another King Ashoka much later on, indicating that the Buddha incarnation was "younger".. Apparently, Buddha came into the picture about 600 years into the Kaliyuga, and 5,000 have already passed up until now.
Dean
Dean
@dean , the traditional Indian view of Buddha's date of birth would place it in 1850 B.C. , whereas the "OFFICIAL" view of Buddha's date of birth is more like 550 B.C. , so there's a big gap of the "missing" 1300 years of history . Also , Buddha was NOT born in Nepal , that's one of the biggest frauds of history - the archaeologist credited with that find , was fired from the Archaeological Survey of British India , for faking artefacts .
Unfortunately , his finding that Buddha was born in Nepal was never corrected .
Now figure this out - Nepal is the only country in this part of the world that NEVER allowed Buddhism to flourish , isn't that odd , especially if Buddha was born in Nepal ?? As per Buddhist texts Buddha "visited" Nepal only once in his life , but the ruler of Nepal only gave him permission to give a sermon , but NEVER to convert any people from Hinduism , into his new faith !!
You see, most of India's "official" history , that you find in libraries and bookstores , was written by British colonialists (that's a fact) and they had an "agenda" , to portray facts in a certain way .
Just by the way , I personally don't subscribe to the "politicised" , revisionist version of Indian history , currently being imposed , either :))
**Anyhow , one of the strangest aspects of Buddha was that he was blue eyed . Ancient texts describe him as a very tall , well built , strikingly handsome man . Therefore , Buddha used to be very , very concerned that his followers would form a "personality cult" around him and start hero worshipping him , rather than focus on his teachings . So he forbade his followers from making any statues of himself . This is one reason why , till many hundreds of years after Buddha's death , nobody made any statues of him . It was only long after Buddha's lifetime , that people started making idols of the Buddha - in their own respective styles . Thus the East Asians started making idols of Buddha that looked oriental and clean shaven etc.
You could go and see any Buddhist temple , even in Japan or Korea and Buddha is invariably portrayed as blue eyed.
Now one doesn't need to be a PhD in anthropology to know that people of East Asia do NOT have blue eyes , or that East Asians do NOT have curly hair . Of course , even the majority of people in India clearly do NOT have blue eyes , but there is about 4 to 5 % of the population which is light eyed (varying colours such as blue , green , grey or hazel eyed) .
Probably the most accurate portrayal of what the Buddha actually looked like in real life (notice the sharp facial features) , is this one - a Gandhara style meditating Buddha , where he is shown in a Yogic pose , sporting a beard and moustache (like all Vedic sages) & strenuously fasting...on the other hand , most oriental depictions of Buddha in China , Korea etc. show him clean shaven , some even show a pot bellied Buddha :)) which was probably NOT true !
Regards