reptilian confusion

To list members,

All too often I keep seeing a blur between the description of "demonic" underworld entities and "reptilian" creatures or most recently a "serpentine being". The controversial speaker David Icke comes to mind as one who confuses these two things.

To me, these terms are not interchangeable. The entities conjoured up by a tantrik yogi are not living breathing physical reptile like humanoids that live within the physical earth in our dimension and have life cycles here on earth and eat food here on earth, etc.. They are rather a spirit form of entity of the "demon" realm for lack of a better term. Just because some appear to be reptilian in appearance does make them part of our animal kingdom. Humans and animals here on earth or IN earth for that matter cannot walk through walls or shape shift and you can't conjour up a real alligator from the city zoo in the strict sense. Entities that are conjoured up or appear spontaneously for one reason or another like Mothman, some but not all UFO related creatures such as the Chupacabra or the female demoness in the tantrik story are part of a different realm, a different dimension or reality that can somehow briefly interpenetrate our own. Some may be Tulpas, seemingly physical manifestations constructed of pure thought.

The fact that incantations and sacrifices and flesh and blood somehow power and manipulate this realm from our place on earth makes it obvious to me that this other realm operates on a different set of rules or laws than out own physical dimension although it is close enough to ours to have a direct interaction with it. This is where black magic enters the picture. It is a quantum type of informational system that somehow interacts with the intelligence or intelligences of that other realm. Personally, I stay the hell away from the black arts but I do enjoy reading about the subject.

Sean

Sean, this is partially true. There is a definite connection
between some types of physical "cryptids" like Mothman and El
Chupacabras, and the supernatural realm. But this does not
negate their physicality, or the very real possibility of their origin
in an alternative biosphere, which may be concealed within our
own planet. The Nephilim, in particular, where said in the
Apocryphal Books to have performed a wide range of genetic
experiments, combining different types of creatures and men,
and creating many "chimaerical" forms (like El Chupa).

Prolonged study reveals that there are paranormal aspects to all
or most of these phenomena. I'm working on an article for an
e-mag right now which deals with this very topic, among other
things. The "reptilian" aspect of many of these beings, even the
spiritual or supernatural ones, may have more to do with their
very ancient (pre-mammalian) time and place of origin, as well
as with their ability to present "glamour" or illusion when they
appear briefly in our surface world. The tantric account is a
perfect example of this. The description of the locomotion of the
female entity holds many clues, which I will address and
reference in the article, giving Jan due credit and web links.

Demons are often wrongly thought of as 'fallen angels," which
they are not. They represent the spirits of what the Torah calls
"the people of old time," destroyed during the rebellion of their
fallen angelic masters, who are still enslaved to the same. They
are the equivalent of the asuras and rakshasas of Hinduism.
There is also a very strong relationship or kinship between them
and the "extant" or physical forms, such as the so-called
"cryptids" or unknown humanoids that you mentioned. They are
interrelated, representing two aspects of one unseen kingdom
or force which has haunted and plagued mankind for thousands
of years. For instance, in the Torah/Bible, there are mentions of
those physical beings in the wastelands, which are translated
as "satyrs" in the King James version, but which represent a type
of "hairy humanoid" that today we might call Sasquatch, or
maybe even El Chupacabras! In the same verses, there are
mentions of a type of succubus spirit or demoness (the classical
lamia), called Lillu or Lillitu, (Lilith), but mis-translated as "owl" in
the King James translation. These type of phenomena go
hand-in-hand, which may account for some of the confusion of
types and nature to which you refer.

I for one suspect that many of the so-called "shapeshifting
reptilians" which many think they see, are actually representative
of an accidental glimpse of a demonic entity or power which has
attached itself to the person in question, and which has such a
strong presence, that it somehow manifests to view, more to the
"psychic vision" or stimulation of the visual cortex, of the viewer,
than in the physical or "real" world.

There is a definite need and thirst for blood and sacrifice among
those of this mostly-unseen kingdom. I've postulated that (in
THE DEEP DWELLERS) that perhaps some types of creatures
(again, like El Chupa, and even Mothman) which take blood and
the "sacrificial organs," particularly the livers, from pets, livestock
and even human mutilation victims, might be on a mission to
obtain these substances for their unseen, mostly amorphous or
invisible (spirit or other-dimensional) masters. This would
explain much in regard to that particular phenomena.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to "think out loud" as I type.
I'll probably make some of these same points in the article as
well!

Thanks

--Mike

--- In [email protected], "Sean Kinkade"
<thopter@e...> wrote:

To list members,

All too often I keep seeing a blur between the description of

"demonic" underworld entities and "reptilian" creatures or most
recently a "serpentine being". The controversial speaker David
Icke comes to mind as one who confuses these two things.

To me, these terms are not interchangeable. The entities

conjoured up by a tantrik yogi are not living breathing physical
reptile like humanoids that live within the physical earth in our
dimension and have life cycles here on earth and eat food here
on earth, etc.. They are rather a spirit form of entity of the
"demon" realm for lack of a better term. Just because some
appear to be reptilian in appearance does make them part of our
animal kingdom. Humans and animals here on earth or IN
earth for that matter cannot walk through walls or shape shift and
you can't conjour up a real alligator from the city zoo in the strict
sense. Entities that are conjoured up or appear spontaneously
for one reason or another like Mothman, some but not all UFO
related creatures such as the Chupacabra or the female
demoness in the tantrik story are part of a different realm, a
different dimension or reality that can somehow briefly
interpenetrate our own. Some may be Tulpas, seemingly
physical manifestations constructed of pure thought.

The fact that incantations and sacrifices and flesh and blood

somehow power and manipulate this realm from our place on
earth makes it obvious to me that this other realm operates on a
different set of rules or laws than out own physical dimension
although it is close enough to ours to have a direct interaction
with it. This is where black magic enters the picture. It is a
quantum type of informational system that somehow interacts
with the intelligence or intelligences of that other realm.
Personally, I stay the hell away from the black arts but I do enjoy
reading about the subject.

···

Sean

Another interesting aspect, as discussed at length in THE DEEP
DWELLERS, as well as in HIDDEN NEIGHBORS, is that the
ancient Sumerian underworld entities called GALATUR and
UTUKKU, were in the service of the unseen "underworld gods,"
and as part of such service, were required to fetch home the fruit
of the sacrifices and burnt offerings, which generally consisted of
blood, liver, and the other "sweetmeats" of the sacrificed animal
(El Chupa, in particular, removes the blood and sometimes the
livers of animals). The GALATUR (who were also in charge of
abducting surface-world humans) had a distinct resemblance, in
their description, to both the "gray aliens" and some descriptions
of "El Chupacabras;" the UTUKKU resembled "Mothman," El
Chupa, and even some descriptions of "the Jersey Devil," in
many respects. The underworld "gods" and their servants as
well, were often portrayed as being "reptilian" in some feature, or
even in their entire forms, as in the case of the demon-servant
called PAZUZU. This being matches descriptions of
modern-day ufological "reptilian humanoids" or "reptoids,"
almost exactly.

All of these things are nothing new.....The same forms--physical,
spiritual, and archetypal--repeat, over and over again through the
centuries....

--M.

--- In [email protected], "Wm. Michael Mott"
<mott@m...> wrote:

There is a definite need and thirst for blood and sacrifice

among

those of this mostly-unseen kingdom. I've postulated that (in
THE DEEP DWELLERS) that perhaps some types of creatures
(again, like El Chupa, and even Mothman) which take blood

and

the "sacrificial organs," particularly the livers, from pets,

livestock

and even human mutilation victims, might be on a mission to
obtain these substances for their unseen, mostly amorphous

or

···

invisible (spirit or other-dimensional) masters. This would
explain much in regard to that particular phenomena.

Mike Mott,

What a pleasure having you on this list. You bring a lot of HE and inner
Earth background.

Do continue to share your knowledge with us.

DD

Ow! Ow!

My head....Swelling painfully.... ;>

I'm just glad to have the opportunity to read the many intelligent,
well-reasoned and insightful comments here, from everyone
else!

--Mike

--- In [email protected], "Dean De Lucia"
<0108@t...> wrote:

Mike Mott,

What a pleasure having you on this list. You bring a lot of HE

and inner

···

Earth background.

Do continue to share your knowledge with us.

DD

From Marshall B. Gardner's book, as quoted in The Hollow Earth, by Dr.
Raymond Bernard, second one down:
http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index5.html

" How do scientists explain the fact that when we go north it becomes colder
up to a certain point and then begins to get warmer? How do they explain the
further fact that the source of this warmth is not any influence from the
south but a series of currents of warm water and of warm winds from the
north- supposed to be a land of solid ice? Where can these currents come
from? How could they come from anything else but an open sea? And why should
there be a warm open sea at the very place where scientists expect to find
eternal ice? Where could this warm water possibly come from?

Why also should explorers find the inhospitable ice cliffs of the far north
covered in large areas with the red pollen of an unknown plant? And why
should they find the seeds of tropical plants floating in these waters when
they are not found in more southern waters? How should logs and branches of
trees, sometimes with fresh buds on them be found in these waters, all being
borne down by the warm currents from the north?

Why should the northern parts of Greenland be the world's greatest habitat
of the mosquito, an insect which is only found in warm countries? How could
it have gotten to Greenland if it came from the south? Where do all the
foxes and hares go which are seen traveling north in Greenland? Where did
the bears go? Was it possible that such large creatures as bears could find
sustenance on plains of eternal ice?

Posted by Dharma/Dean

Astronomers do not have a complete picture insofar as the actual origin of
the particles which bring about the auroral display, as the soft particles
emanating from the Earth's interior sun have been outside of the purview of
NASA's instrumentation. Mr. Joseph H. Cater elaborates on this point on page
92 of The Ultimate Reality:

" From an orthodox standpoint there is no way this ring effect can logically
be explained and all attempts have been devoid of sound thinking. From what
has just been presented ( in Mr. Cater's book ) , the explanation is
obvious. The central sun would naturally radiate high concentrations of soft
electrons in all directions. Those whose paths take them close to the edge
of the opening will encounter much of the Earth's atmosphere. Many of these
will tend to disintegrate as they pass through the atmosphere. Most of these
disintegrations will occur some distance above the Earth's surface as they
leave the opening. Those whose paths are further from the edge, including
the center, will encounter little or no atmosphere, and thus travel to outer
space without disintegrating. A ring effect is the result....

The diameter of the ring will fluctuate. It will vary from approximately the
diameter of the opening, to several thousand miles. The particles which hit
the atmosphere, when ejected from the openings usually travel considerable
distance beyond the opening, before many of them disintegrate into their
constituent light. This distance will vary according to their concentration,
and the velocity at which they are ejected. They are forced outward in all
directions by a continuous flow of particles from the interior. Resistance
produced by atmosphere and the particles it already contains, tends to slow
them down. This causes a backup of particles. The backup of particles will
often concentrate close to the lip of the opening during periods of normal
solar activity, when the velocity of particles ejected from the interior is
relatively low. The resultant disintegration of particles will produce a
ring approximately the diameter of opening. It has been found that during
this period, the rings measure 600-700 miles across. Interestingly enough, a
close examination of early satellite pictures indicate that the north polar
opening is about 600 miles in diameter. Since the above-mentioned flat in
the outline of the Earth is about 1,600 miles or more across, it can be
concluded that the Earth's shell is about 1,000 miles thick!"

Let us interrupt Mr.s Cater's explanation and point out that the fact that
there is a buildup which ocurrs within the cavity which accounts for the
lack of strict synchronicity between solar flares and the auroral displays.
This buildup aliviates any necessesity of ascribing the buildup to magnetic
bottles around the Earth. Such a role for " magnetic bottles " does not have
empiric confirmation.

The Van Allen belt cannot be involved in any type of circular acceleration
of charged electrons in and out of the polar openings because " Particles
captured by a magnet have their greatest concentration around the poles. The
opposite is the case here." ( Cater ) The Van Allen belt is thick at the
waist/equator, and only extends to about 60* in the direction of the poles.

The charged particles which seem to undergo acceleration actually originate
in the inner sun and follow the magnetic lines of force from this point of
origin.