Hi all,
Ralph and Members,
Here is the Discovery index which Ralph has referred to:
For maps of polar regions go straight to
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/polar.html
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Wow! What a treasure of maps!
The Antartic opening is suupposed to be between Mc Murdo and Vostok, maybe
right along 150* longitide, maybe in the Austrailian or French claim area,
or Russian.Rod's Radarsat satellite picture suggests this, fifth one down:
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index19.html
This guy Jim Bowen who confided in Cater said that they dropped down South
from Melbourne.
Dharma/Dean
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> Ralph and Members,
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Great photos and maps.
It might be useful to bear in mind where Olaf Jansen would have
emerged as well, which most likely would have been a coastal opening.
Tuscan
Wow! What a treasure of maps!
The Antartic opening is suupposed to be between Mc Murdo and
Vostok, maybe
right along 150* longitide, maybe in the Austrailian or French
claim area,
or Russian.Rod's Radarsat satellite picture suggests this, fifth
one down:
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index19.html
This guy Jim Bowen who confided in Cater said that they dropped
down South
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from Melbourne.
Dharma/Dean
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I've been working on Etidorhpa all day long!
Here is something from Seven Days North of Tibet, I'm gone-
It is interesting, though, that the polar anomolies had started before,
while on their way up from the New Siberian Islands. Nansen reported on
these anomalies in his notes which became the basis of his book Farthest
North. We shall include the page numbers of the book in order to better
facilitate any verifications which the readers may wish to make. There is a
natural story line:
Page 97: Monday, September 18th, 1893, Bielkoff Island. Latitude 75.5
degrees North.
Page 98: [ Still same entry as above. ] " It was a strange feeling to be
sailing away North in the dark night to unknown lands, over an open, rolling
sea, where no ship, no boat had been before. We might have been hundreds of
miles away in more southerly waters, the air was so mild for September in
this latitude.
Tuesday, September 19th, I have never had such a spendid sail. On to the
North, steadily North, with a good wind, as fast as steam and sail can take
us, with an open sea mile after mile, watch after watch, through these
unknown regions, always clearer and clearer of ice, one might say! ... We
see ' nothing but clear water ' as Henriksen answered from the crow's nest
when I called up to him. When he was standing at the wheel later in the
morning, and I was on the bridge, he suddenly said: ' They think little at
home in Norway just now that we are sailing straight for the pole in clear
water. ''No, they don't believe we have gotten so far.' ... Now we are
almost at 77* North latitude. ...
I have almost to ask myself if this is not a dream."
Page 99: " We have almost reached 78* ... I seemed to me that there might be
land at no great distance, we saw such a number of remarkable number of
birds of various kinds. ... They were probably on their passage from some
land in the North. ... Again, later, we saw small flocks of snipe,
indicating the possible proximity of land. "
Although Nansen did not realize it, the anomalies that he was experiencing
and would continue to experience, as well as the anomalies experienced by
other Artic explorers, would inspire further hollow Earth reseach and,
indeed, become part and parcel of hollow Earth lore. This is only natural,
because one has to search for an explanation for such strange experiences,
i.g., for the fact that they didn't find ice until 79*, even though ice was
to be found at much lower latitudes all around the polar circle. For
example, until they came over as far East as the New Siberian Islands, they
had to closely hug the coast of Russia in order to aviod the ice which
impinged itself upon them. So how could it be that they encountered open,
rolling seas as they shot northwards towards the Pole?
Those familiar with the Hollow Earth Theory would explain that the polar
opening, which they have always had reason to believe is located near the
area where the Fram was navigating, serves as a conduit for warmer air which
can have a dramatic impact within certain Artic areas. And as for the
observations of bird life coming from the North? Did the flight of these
birds originate from the other side of the pole, from deep within the Artic
wastelands of North America? Probably not; but the close proximity of a
polar opening, leading to closer lands, would certainly provide the platform
needed to explain the direction and origin of the bird's flight.
From: Dharma/Dean
To: Members
Tuscan,
Supposedly, Olaf emerged from the Southen entrance by water. Jim Bowen
talked about marching in. This suggests that the opening encompasses both
land and water, or that it bramches off from below and that thee are
actually two entrances. According to the Radarsat image furnished by Rod,
the entrance seems to be fairly close to the pole, offset by maybe a few
hundred miles. Maybe it is accesible through the Ross Bay. Maybe during the
time of Olaf the bay was navegable.
By the same token, Olaf's story does seem to have been " sterilized " by the
author, so who knows how he actually came out. I can't imagine that they
just left Olaf and Jens to their own means; there must have been a guiding
hand in some way.
Dharma/Dean
Sean,
That post from the ESD Journal was very appropriate. Static electricity is
gravity.
I think that the big problem has to do with perceiving the static charge in
the Earth and in clouds, too. Mr. Cater says that, because the charge is
generated by low frequency particles, it is not readily perceived with the
equipment that is used.
The solution to the mystery of gravity is so simple, but such an enigma. I
can't believe that so many thousands upon thousands of people have studied
physics, yet so few have understoof the nature of gravity. So few question
the parameters that they are given. I hate to resort to clich�s, but the
king has no clothes, and the more things change, the more they stay the
same.
Gyroscopic antigravity: http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/gyroag.htm
A negative charge collects around the edges of the gyroscope, which then
experience the " repulsive " antigravity effect, such that it doesn't fall.
Needless to say, the gravity argument almost makes or breaks the hollow
planet theory. Once scientists " establish " gravity related to mass, they
then establish that the weight becomes greater and greater the deeper on
penetrates and that any hollow portion would collapse upon itself, i.e., be
unsustainable; what to speak of any huge cavernous worlds way underneath.
Of course, an electrostatic charge would have the tendency to diminish the
deeper one penetrates, thus the weight of the shell would diminish, and
nothing would collapse upon itself.
I really think that a big enemy of the HET is the theory of gravity related
to mass.
Dharma/Dean
Re: Forbidden Archaeology, page 805, Gold Chain
A2.9 GOLD CHAIN IN CARBONIFEROUS COAL
FROM MORRISONVILLE, ILLINOIS
On June 11, 1891, The Morrisonville Times reported: "A curious find was
brought to light by Mrs. S. W. Culp last Tuesday morning. As she was
breaking a lump of coal preparatory to putting it in the scuttle, she
discovered, as the lump fell apart, embedded in a circular shape a small
gold chain about ten inches in length of antique and quaint workmanship. At
first Mrs. Culp thought the chain had been dropped accidentally in the coal,
but as she undertook to lift the chain up, the idea of its having been
recently dropped was at once made fallacious, for as the lump of coal broke
it separated almost in the middle, and the circular position of the chain
placed the two ends near to each other, and as the lump separated, the
middle of the chain became loosened while each end remained fastened to the
coal. This is a study for the students of archaeology who love to puzzle
their brains over the geological construction of the earth from whose
ancient depth the curious is always dropping out. The lump of coal from
which this chain was taken is supposed to come from the Taylorville or Pana
mines [southern Illinois] and almost hushes one's breath with mystery when
it is thought for how many long ages the earth has been forming strata after
strata which hid the golden links from view. The chain was an eight-carat
gold and weighed eight penny-weights."
In a letter to Ron Calais, Mrs. Vernon W. Lauer, the present publisher of
the Morrisonville Times, stated: "Mr. Culp was editor and publisher of the
Times in 1891. Mrs. Culp, who made the discovery, moved to Taylorville after
his death-remarried and her death occurred on February 3, 1959." Calais told
our research assistant ( Stephen Bernath ) that he had information the chain
was given to one of Mrs. Culp's relatives after her death, but Calais could
not trace the chain further.
The Illinois Geological Survey has said the coal in which the gold chain
was found is 260 - 320 million years old. This raises the possibility that
culturally advanced human beings we represent in North America during that
time.
From: Dharma/Dean
To: List Members
Members,
Attached/clipped above is a piece from Mike Mott's book, Caverns, Cauldrons
and Concealed Creatures, which can be found at;
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/cartwebtv/af/hm01/index0.html
Mike-
What do you think of pasting that K Mart piece from your book for me, or
something appropriate? I'll put it up on my Abductions page.
Dharma/Dean
Sean,
That post from the ESD Journal was very appropriate. Static electricity is
gravity.
Dean,
I disagree. I think static electricity is a COMPONENT of gravity or else a
yet unknown form of static electricity results in what we see as gravity.
Just as d.c. and a.c current are two forms of the same thing yet exibit
substantial differences, I think perhaps this is true with "static" charge.
There maybe a different form of static charge. Maybe a resonant form.
Personally, I'm more inclined to think of gravity as a wave, not a particle.
I think that the big problem has to do with perceiving the static charge
in
the Earth and in clouds, too. Mr. Cater says that, because the charge is
generated by low frequency particles, it is not readily perceived with the
equipment that is used.
I've heard Caters' "low frequency particles" answer too many times now.
It's like the snake oil salesman with the tonic that is the answer for
everything. "It cures ailments and cleans tobacco stains too!" Come on.
Cater needs to be more specific every time he uses that explanantion.
The solution to the mystery of gravity is so simple, but such an enigma.
It may be simple but it's not solved quite yet in my opinion.
can't believe that so many thousands upon thousands of people have studied
physics, yet so few have understoof the nature of gravity. So few question
the parameters that they are given. I hate to resort to clich�s, but the
king has no clothes, and the more things change, the more they stay the
same.Gyroscopic antigravity: http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/gyroag.htm
A negative charge collects around the edges of the gyroscope, which then
experience the " repulsive " antigravity effect, such that it doesn't
fall.
Again I disagree. If there is any true lift at all relative to the earth
it is negligable. Take a toy gyroscope for example. The so-called
antigravity effect is purely an inertial effect around a POINT OF CONTACT.
A gyroscope will behave the same way in space and that's why they are used
in our spacecraft for stabilization. The enertial effects are the same even
way out away from the earths gravitational field. The effects are always
relative to the gyroscopes own axis.
Put a toy gyroscope on its stand and watch it seem to "defy gravity". Now
pick it up and toss it and watch it drop like a rock. I'm not sold on
Cater. Like I said.....put up or shut up. Someone needs to prove Caters
theories.
Farraday, Maxwell, Tesla, and Franklin ( among others) backed up their
electrical theories with lab experiments. So should Cater. His claims on
gravity seem to be similar to his proclaimations about spirits and esoteric
stuff. Interesting, but unproveable.
Sean
Needless to say, the gravity argument almost makes or breaks the hollow
planet theory. Once scientists " establish " gravity related to mass, they
then establish that the weight becomes greater and greater the deeper on
penetrates and that any hollow portion would collapse upon itself, i.e.,
be
unsustainable; what to speak of any huge cavernous worlds way underneath.
Of course, an electrostatic charge would have the tendency to diminish the
deeper one penetrates, thus the weight of the shell would diminish, and
nothing would collapse upon itself.I really think that a big enemy of the HET is the theory of gravity
related
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Dean,
To say that "static electricity is gravity" is the same as saying "oxygen is life". It is true that oxygen is required for life (not all life though), but it is not the same thing. Identification requires that you find out what is specific for that thing. Electrostatic forces are involved in many processes so it can't be that specific thing that one use to identify gravity.
Here is my try on a definition for gravity:
Gravity is a radiation that pulls matter towards the source of that specific radiation.
From this definition one can start to ask questions like:
*What kind of radiation?
*How is this radiation generated?
*By what dynamics does this radiation pull matter towards it?
To start with "gravity is an electrostatic force" leads you nowhere. To understand gravity is not simple at all. Cater's explanation for how gravity is working is fare from simple when you go into the details, even though he is the only one I know of that has given an understanding of gravity that is possible to visually understand (meaning that it does not involves mathematical equations that can't be understood in a cause/effect visual way).
Work on your definitions Dean. Gravitation can't be a type of radiation in one case and a field in another. A is A, don't mix it up with B
Get the point? (And don't just say yes, show me)
Frode
Sean,
How can something unprovable be interesting? Just curious because I find Cater's ideas interesting since I see them as provable as opposed to most other ideas in physics that rely on mathematical "proves" only.
Frode
I said.....put up or shut up. Someone needs to prove Caters
theories.
Farraday, Maxwell, Tesla, and Franklin ( among others) backed up their
electrical theories with lab experiments. So should Cater. His claims on
gravity seem to be similar to his proclaimations about spirits and esoteric
stuff. Interesting, but unproveable.Sean
Dean,
I disagree. I think static electricity is a COMPONENT of gravity or else
a
yet unknown form of static electricity results in what we see as gravity.
Just as d.c. and a.c current are two forms of the same thing yet exibit
substantial differences, I think perhaps this is true with "static"
charge.
There maybe a different form of static charge. Maybe a resonant form.
Personally, I'm more inclined to think of gravity as a wave, not a
particle.
Sean,
Maybe I misunderstood exactly what you were driving at.
But this idea of an " unknown form of static electricity " resulting in
gravity seems to be what Cater presents. He gives the frequency of the
charge and he says that, because the charge is occasioned by soft particles,
it is not readily perceived.
I've heard Caters' "low frequency particles" answer too many times now.
It's like the snake oil salesman with the tonic that is the answer for
everything. "It cures ailments and cleans tobacco stains too!" Come on.
Cater needs to be more specific every time he uses that explanantion.
The " yet unknown form of static electricity " could easily be soft
particles. They do exist, cosmic rays are such, right? Cater has never been
given much in the way of research funding, that I know of, probably because
he is so eccentric. This probably explains why he doesn't have much in the
way of experimental proof.
Hard particles figure in an explanation of practically everything because
hard particles compose practically everything, but they have a natural
counterpart in soft particles. So the phenomena that aren't explained by
standard physics are going to have a complete explanation once soft
particles are incorporated in the explanation. That the " low-frequency
particle answer " crops up so often and explains and dovetails in with all
phenomena so cohesively is actually symptomatic of its validity. Your
analogy of the snakeoil salesman does not correspond to the situation.
I think that some kind of conspiracy to supress antigravidic technology is
out there, too. It is a lot of technology for the everage guy to have at his
disposal, so why wouldn't universities be infiltrated by department heads
who discourage research along such lines?
Of course, this kind of musing proves nothing, but we have to wonder along
these lines because we have so little info to go on.
> Gyroscopic antigravity: http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/gyroag.htm
> A negative charge collects around the edges of the gyroscope, which then
> experience the " repulsive " antigravity effect, such that it doesn't
fall.Again I disagree. If there is any true lift at all relative to the
earth
it is negligable. Take a toy gyroscope for example. The so-called
antigravity effect is purely an inertial effect around a POINT OF CONTACT.
A gyroscope will behave the same way in space and that's why they are used
in our spacecraft for stabilization. The enertial effects are the same
even
way out away from the earths gravitational field. The effects are always
relative to the gyroscopes own axis.
Out in space there is no gravity acting on the gyro to make it fall over, so
why wouldn't it remain level in relation to its axial point of contact,
where a positive charge accumulates? This doesn't overturn Cater's concept
of gravity as a negative electrostatic force.
Put a toy gyroscope on its stand and watch it seem to "defy gravity".
Now
pick it up and toss it and watch it drop like a rock.
A negative, electrostatic charge accumulates around the edges of a gyro- the
charge is strong enough to keep the off-axis weight of the gyro from tipping
over. But much of the of the gyro's weight is still resting on the point of
contact, more firmly than ever because the positive charges accumulate along
the axis, and the positive charge exhibits " weight." No one ever said that
the negative, electrostatic charge along the edges was strong enough to make
the thing fly or levitate! The accumulation of the negative charges along
the edges only provides enough electrostatic repulsion given the fact that
much weight is still resting on the axis.
I'm not sold on
Cater. Like I said.....put up or shut up. Someone needs to prove Caters
theories.
Farraday, Maxwell, Tesla, and Franklin ( among others) backed up their
electrical theories with lab experiments. So should Cater. His claims
on
gravity seem to be similar to his proclaimations about spirits and
esoteric
stuff. Interesting, but unproveable.
He backs up what he says with lots of examples, i.e., the behavior of fine
mists, clouds, the sun's lack of influence on the tides, hair dryers, and
various experiments by others. He more than gies enough to go on.
Why are you so doubtful?
Dharma/Dean
Dean,
To say that "static electricity is gravity" is the same as saying
"oxygen is life". It is true that oxygen is required for life (not
all life though), but it is not the same thing. Identification
requires that you find out what is specific for that thing.
Electrostatic forces are involved in many processes so it can't be
that specific thing that one use to identify gravity.
I don't quite agree with you, Frode- the same force that gives a corn stalk
its stiffness is the force which holds me to the ground. In a certain
application it is called gravity, that's all.
Here is my try on a definition for gravity:
Gravity is a radiation that pulls matter towards the source of that
specific radiation.
Gravity is a radiation which pulls matter towards it WHICH is imbued with a
positive charge, and which repels matter imbued with a negative charge.
From this definition one can start to ask questions like:
*What kind of radiation?
The soft nature of the radiation makes it a bit hard to perceive.
*How is this radiation generated?
*By what dynamics does this radiation pull matter towards it?To start with "gravity is an electrostatic force" leads you nowhere.
To understand gravity is not simple at all. Cater's explanation for
how gravity is working is fare from simple when you go into the
details, even though he is the only one I know of that has given an
understanding of gravity that is possible to visually understand
(meaning that it does not involves mathematical equations that can't
be understood in a cause/effect visual way).Work on your definitions Dean. Gravitation can't be a type of
radiation in one case and a field in another. A is A, don't mix it up
with B
Why wouldn't a gravity radiation be characterized as a field? Are you just
referring to the way I am expressing things? What if I referred to " a field
consisting of a certain radiation "?
Get the point? (And don't just say yes, show me)
Much of my concept of gravity as an electrostatic force, of light and the
ethers, has been influenced by the book Etidorhpa.
I'll try to put up a few things in this regard, but it is basically a matter
of reading the book. I have the entire text up, but it is SORELY in need of
proofreading and, in this sense, still under construction. Nor are the
drawings up. I don't advise that anyone read the book from the site, it is
just there for reference. We can discuss the book online and grab stuff from
the site or make a reference to the chapter and paragraph and then go look,
but it is best to get the book. I've seen it for sale for as little as
U$4.00 through www.bibliofind.com
Cater admits to being very influenced specifically by that hollow Earth
book, so it helps to read that book in order to understand Cater's mind.
Dharma/
Frode,
By the way, I won't be online so much until Tuesday because of NEw Year's,
but I might still get on a little in the morning both Sunday and Monday.
Dean
Dean, you can link to it at the previous Hidden Neighbors URL
you used, if you want, or excerpt from it for use at your abduction
page (as long as a link and reference to the book is included, I
most definitely don't mind!) .
Hidden Neighbors can also be seen/linked to at this URL:
http://www.onelight.com/mott/hidden_neighbors%201.htm
--Mike
--- In [email protected], "Dean" <0108@t...>
wrote:
Members,
Attached/clipped above is a piece from Mike Mott's book,
Caverns, Cauldrons
and Concealed Creatures, which can be found at;
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/cartwebtv/af/hm01/index0.html
Mike-
What do you think of pasting that K Mart piece from your book
for me, or
something appropriate? I'll put it up on my Abductions page.
Dharma/Dean
Members,
Here is a sample of the stuff from Mike Mott's book; you can see why I think
it is so appropriate. The underground abductions which are going on- IMHO-
really affect people's lives.
Dharma/Dean
THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME
Norman L. (his name changed at his request), a single father
living in the mountainous region of
North Alabama, is one person who can testify to the truth of
this continued intrusiveness. His
wife had become deeply involved in caving (spelunking), leaving
Norman and their toddler
daughter to care for themselves most of the time. The wife
became engrossed and fascinated
with the past-time of caving, and often reported to her husband
of seeing UFOs during some of
the expeditions made with her hard-partying friends,
multiple-day trips into remote and
sometimes almost-inaccessible areas near "wild" caves and pits.
The marriage began to
deteriorate for a variety of reasons, many of them traceable to
the obsession of the wife for
spelunking; and strange phenomena began to occur around the
house when the wife was
home, or on the rare outing with the family.
Around nine one evening this family of three paid a visit to a
local department store, one of the
type which incorporates "mart" into its name. This store was
located near a large ridge of
mountains which ran alongside the eastern edge of the town,
mountains which are
honeycombed with caves and pits. The oldest part of the town
itself is said to sit atop an
ancient network of caverns, around which many local legends
revolve. So husband, wife, and
child cruised the aisles of the supermarket, when both adults
became aware of an intense
sense of presence.
The back corner of the store was unusually dark, as if some of
the lighting were either dimmed
or out. At the end of an intersecting aisle a strange figure
lurked, literally leering at them as
they walked by. According to Norman L., this figure was
hideously malformed, in that he had no
discernable neck, almost no chin, misshapen ears and facial
features, and a decidely evil,
grimacing disposition. His eyes were squinted and piggish, his
head literally "squarish." His
rounded, hunched body was wrapped in very loose clothing,
primarily an immense flannel shirt
which hid the true contours of his body. His attitude was
definitely menacing as he transferred
his gaze from the man, to the child riding in the shopping cart.
He leaned forward as if to get a
better look.
Norman stepped forward defensively, even though he was filled
with an instinctive revulsion by
this being. He insists that the person they encountered wasn't
human, an opinion that his wife
at the time had concurred with. Norman's take on this strange
voyeur?
"He simply wasn't a human being. He looked human in a
fundamental, first-glance kinda way,
but he was something else. He had a strong air of evil and hate
about him. He actually looked
like a troll."
Upon seeing Norman's reaction, the creature slunk back into the
shadows of the aisle and was
soon left behind.
Over the next year, the marriage dissolved and ended. Norman
ended up with custody of the
daughter, and took her with him everywhere. One night they
visited a below-ground-level
toystore in a local multi-level shopping mall; with the
exception of the sales clerk standing near
the front of the store, they were the only people in the place.
Or so it seemed.
As his young daughter squatted to play with toys on the bottom
of the shelf, Norman became
aware of another presence. He turned to see a small child
slowing meandering down the aisle
toward them, seemingly a thin little girl of about five or six
years of age. Suddenly this "child"
made a quick move toward his daughter, and Norman scooped her up
and took several steps
back.
"It wasn't a little girl," he says. "It was wearing a dingy
yellow dress, had a girl's shoes and
socks on, and its hair looked loose on its head, like a straight
black wig, very artificial in
appearance--kind of like a "Prince Valiant (haircut)." Its skin
was abnormally pale, the eyes
wide-set and almost at the side of its head, 'wrapping around
the edge,' sort of. The eyes were
almond-shaped, turning up at the outer edges, but squinty, and
they were pure black or dark
brown. There were no whites to the eyes at all! They were like
ink."
Thinking that perhaps this being was an unsupervised, malformed
or mentally-handicapped
child, Norman took his daughter and moved over an aisle; the
little being followed them almost
immediately. This was repeated twice, but the being stood off, a
bit warier than before, still
staring fixedly at Norman's daughter. He picked her up and they
looked around the store for the
parent of the "disturbed child," but there was no other shopper
in the place. Aggravated,
Norman complained to the cashier at the front of the store,
asking that he have the parents of
the child come supervise "it."
The cashier reacted with complete surprise. "You and your
daughter are the only customers in
the store, sir," he said. A quick look determined that this was
in fact so, and no one had exited
by way of the only way of egress in the front of the business. A
quick look through the store by
both men failed to reveal the strange "child."
Over time, many additional facts came out, largely gleaned from
the daughter, who had been to
visit her mother upon occasion. The child was terrified to make
these visits, indicating that,
among other things, she had been taken into wild, dangerous
caves, leaned over pits (and
allegedly almost dropped into one, to luckily be caught by the
mother's boyfriend), and other
such insanity. Eventually the mother's visitations were
terminated completely, but this raises
the question of motivation and influence--what would lead a
mother to risk the life of her child in
such a callous, almost sacrificial way? The child also witnessed
UFO manifestations during
one of the caving trips with her mother. Since that time, the
girl has grown to be a happy and
healthy teen, and no further instances of this type of encounter
have troubled her, or her father.
First-hand accounts like this abound. Another account, also from
the mountains of east-central
Alabama, involves a group of children (now adults) who saw what
they termed "a leprechaun,"
following them through the woods one evening. Initially noticed
as he sat atop an outcropping of
mossy rock, this entity hopped down from his perch as the kids
passed, maintaining a
respectful distance, but he paralleled the children for miles,
scaring them badly. He was
described by the now-grown woman and two men as being some two
or three feet in height,
wearing green clothing, and looking quite sinister.
It's interesting to note that the TAG (a National Speleological
Society term) or
Tennessee-Alabama-Georgia region is considered to be one of the
most densely caverned
areas in North America. Many accounts of mysterious lights,
UFOs, livestock mutilations, and
strange deaths and disappearances have come from this region.
Tales of "haints" and
"boogers" abound in the hills and mountains, and some spelunkers
joke to cover up their fear
when they talk about "hodags," unseen cave entities which cut
rope or pull it up behind cavers
after a descent; drop or throw rocks and boulders; mislead with
mysterious noises; and create
other such strange occurences.
Dean wrote:
THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME
Norman L. (his name changed at his request), a single father
living in the mountainous region of North Alabama, is one person who can
testify to the truth of this continued intrusiveness.
[snip]
It's interesting to note that the TAG (a National Speleological
Society term) or Tennessee-Alabama-Georgia region is considered to be one
of the most densely caverned areas in North America.
I also live in Northern Alabama. I heard recently that there are over
3000 documented caves in Alabama alone. They are maped by GPS location.
Supposedly Jesse James? robbed one of the local banks and entered a cave
very close to the bank. He was able to get away by emerging from
another entrance/exit about 2 miles away.
The reason there are so many caves is because there is a lot of
limestone in this area. After many thousands of years of rain water
leaking into the ground, these caves are naturally formed by the
erosion of limestone. Some of the stalactite and stalagmite
formations are really awesome.
Jeff
Now that's some weird stuff! I think I need to get Mike's book.
The bizarre manifestations of entities ties in with John Keel's book "The
Mothman Prophecies" and hints at "demonic" source of origin for a lack of a
better term.
Members,
Here is a sample of the stuff from Mike Mott's book; you can see why I
think
it is so appropriate. The underground abductions which are going on- IMHO-
really affect people's lives.Dharma/Dean
THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME
Norman L. (his name changed at his request), a single father
living in the mountainous region of
North Alabama, is one person who can testify to the truth of
this continued intrusiveness. His
wife had become deeply involved in caving (spelunking),
leaving
Norman and their toddler
daughter to care for themselves most of the time. The wife
became engrossed and fascinated
with the past-time of caving, and often reported to her
husband
of seeing UFOs during some of
the expeditions made with her hard-partying friends,
multiple-day trips into remote and
sometimes almost-inaccessible areas near "wild" caves and
pits.
The marriage began to
deteriorate for a variety of reasons, many of them traceable
to
the obsession of the wife for
spelunking; and strange phenomena began to occur around the
house when the wife was
home, or on the rare outing with the family.Around nine one evening this family of three paid a visit to a
local department store, one of the
type which incorporates "mart" into its name. This store was
located near a large ridge of
mountains which ran alongside the eastern edge of the town,
mountains which are
honeycombed with caves and pits. The oldest part of the town
itself is said to sit atop an
ancient network of caverns, around which many local legends
revolve. So husband, wife, and
child cruised the aisles of the supermarket, when both adults
became aware of an intense
sense of presence.The back corner of the store was unusually dark, as if some of
the lighting were either dimmed
or out. At the end of an intersecting aisle a strange figure
lurked, literally leering at them as
they walked by. According to Norman L., this figure was
hideously malformed, in that he had no
discernable neck, almost no chin, misshapen ears and facial
features, and a decidely evil,
grimacing disposition. His eyes were squinted and piggish, his
head literally "squarish." His
rounded, hunched body was wrapped in very loose clothing,
primarily an immense flannel shirt
which hid the true contours of his body. His attitude was
definitely menacing as he transferred
his gaze from the man, to the child riding in the shopping
cart.
He leaned forward as if to get a
better look.Norman stepped forward defensively, even though he was filled
with an instinctive revulsion by
this being. He insists that the person they encountered wasn't
human, an opinion that his wife
at the time had concurred with. Norman's take on this strange
voyeur?"He simply wasn't a human being. He looked human in a
fundamental, first-glance kinda way,
but he was something else. He had a strong air of evil and
hate
about him. He actually looked
like a troll."Upon seeing Norman's reaction, the creature slunk back into
the
shadows of the aisle and was
soon left behind.Over the next year, the marriage dissolved and ended. Norman
ended up with custody of the
daughter, and took her with him everywhere. One night they
visited a below-ground-level
toystore in a local multi-level shopping mall; with the
exception of the sales clerk standing near
the front of the store, they were the only people in the
place.
Or so it seemed.
As his young daughter squatted to play with toys on the bottom
of the shelf, Norman became
aware of another presence. He turned to see a small child
slowing meandering down the aisle
toward them, seemingly a thin little girl of about five or six
years of age. Suddenly this "child"
made a quick move toward his daughter, and Norman scooped her
up
and took several steps
back."It wasn't a little girl," he says. "It was wearing a dingy
yellow dress, had a girl's shoes and
socks on, and its hair looked loose on its head, like a
straight
black wig, very artificial in
appearance--kind of like a "Prince Valiant (haircut)." Its
skin
was abnormally pale, the eyes
wide-set and almost at the side of its head, 'wrapping around
the edge,' sort of. The eyes were
almond-shaped, turning up at the outer edges, but squinty, and
they were pure black or dark
brown. There were no whites to the eyes at all! They were like
ink."Thinking that perhaps this being was an unsupervised,
malformed
or mentally-handicapped
child, Norman took his daughter and moved over an aisle; the
little being followed them almost
immediately. This was repeated twice, but the being stood off,
a
bit warier than before, still
staring fixedly at Norman's daughter. He picked her up and
they
looked around the store for the
parent of the "disturbed child," but there was no other
shopper
in the place. Aggravated,
Norman complained to the cashier at the front of the store,
asking that he have the parents of
the child come supervise "it."The cashier reacted with complete surprise. "You and your
daughter are the only customers in
the store, sir," he said. A quick look determined that this
was
in fact so, and no one had exited
by way of the only way of egress in the front of the business.
A
quick look through the store by
both men failed to reveal the strange "child."Over time, many additional facts came out, largely gleaned
from
the daughter, who had been to
visit her mother upon occasion. The child was terrified to
make
these visits, indicating that,
among other things, she had been taken into wild, dangerous
caves, leaned over pits (and
allegedly almost dropped into one, to luckily be caught by the
mother's boyfriend), and other
such insanity. Eventually the mother's visitations were
terminated completely, but this raises
the question of motivation and influence--what would lead a
mother to risk the life of her child in
such a callous, almost sacrificial way? The child also
witnessed
UFO manifestations during
one of the caving trips with her mother. Since that time, the
girl has grown to be a happy and
healthy teen, and no further instances of this type of
encounter
have troubled her, or her father.
First-hand accounts like this abound. Another account, also
from
the mountains of east-central
Alabama, involves a group of children (now adults) who saw
what
they termed "a leprechaun,"
following them through the woods one evening. Initially
noticed
as he sat atop an outcropping of
mossy rock, this entity hopped down from his perch as the kids
passed, maintaining a
respectful distance, but he paralleled the children for miles,
scaring them badly. He was
described by the now-grown woman and two men as being some two
or three feet in height,
wearing green clothing, and looking quite sinister.It's interesting to note that the TAG (a National
Speleological
Society term) or
Tennessee-Alabama-Georgia region is considered to be one of
the
most densely caverned
areas in North America. Many accounts of mysterious lights,
UFOs, livestock mutilations, and
strange deaths and disappearances have come from this region.
Tales of "haints" and
"boogers" abound in the hills and mountains, and some
spelunkers
joke to cover up their fear
when they talk about "hodags," unseen cave entities which cut
rope or pull it up behind cavers
after a descent; drop or throw rocks and boulders; mislead
with
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Now that's some weird stuff! I think I need to get Mike's book.
The bizarre manifestations of entities ties in with John Keel's book "The
Mothman Prophecies" and hints at "demonic" source of origin for a lack of
a
better term.
Sean,
I put up another narration about underground abduction, a Japanese legend,
at the top of my abductions page:
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index12.html
I put it at the top because I figured it was time give a new face to that
page.
DD
Members,
I am interested in taking a look at Cater's comments about gravity and the
Sun. I don't want to do this
in didactic sort of way- over the last several months we've gone over the
arguments in favor of gravity as an electrostatic force and it's probably up
to you all to consider and follow up as you please.
But I am interested in a little feedback insofar as the strength of these
two arguments which Cater presents in relation to gravity and the Sun. Would
a physicist have an easy time with these arguments? Would he be evasive and
say something about more research being needed.
Cater concludes that the Sun lacks a strong gravitational field because it
has little effect on the tides ( from the chapter on tides ):
" The analysis of tides presented above
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index8.html [ second article
down ] forms the basis for proving that the surface gravity of the Moon is
greater than that on the sun. Since the sun and the Moon have the same
apparent diameters, viewed from the Earth, tidal effects produced by them
are directly proportional to their surface gravities. ... gravitational
effects vary inversely as the square of the distance away. Their [ the Sun
and the Moon ] aaparent diameters are inversely proportional to the
distance; therefore, their apparent surface areas also vary inversely as the
square of the distance Since the moon is a greater factor in producing
tides, the conclusion that the Moon has a greater surface gravity than the
Sun is inescapable! To the orthodox mind this produces insurmountable
paradoxes. The time has come for these to be resolved. This can only be
accomplished by probing deeper into basic causes."
He also concludes from the following observation of the solar surface that
the Sun does not exhibit gravity in relation to its mass, i.e., that gravity
is not caused by mass. From the subsection
Gravitational Anomalies: " The behavior of matte ejected by explosions on
the Sun's surface defies all of the popular laws of gravity. This matter
occasionally rises to altitudes of several hundred thousand miles. It does
not follow a trajectory in descending as it is supposed to. Also, its speed
of descent does not follow the law of falling bodies at any time. In fact,
the velocity of fall is much lower than expected. One of the reasons is the
low surface gravity of the Sun. Another reason is the variable quantity of
negative charges which impregnate these masses."
Dharma/Dean