orgone water bottle

I just thought I'd mention that I made a version of the
orgone accumulator for my water bottle that Cater describes
in The Ultimate Reality. I covered my plastic water bottle
with a single layer of newspaper, followed by a single layer
of aluminum foil, followed by newspaper, followed by foil...
(7 alternating layers total, until I ran out of foil.)

I've been using this for about a month. As Cater mentions,
the water out of it seems to taste better. I haven't done
a double-blind test, though, so this might be my imagination.
I think I have noticed one thing, though. Normal water seems
to raise my body temperature slightly. Water from the Orgone
bottle seems to raise my body temperature quite a bit more.
As a result, I've stopped drinking from the Orgone bottle
before going to bed (drinking regular water instead) because
it makes it hard to sleep. On one particular night, I had to
take off my shirt and two layers of sweaters (that I normally
sleep in due to my 65 degree house) because I just had too
much body heat after drinking from the orgone bottle. Later
in the night, I had to put them back on because I was freezing
again.

It would be interesting to hear other results from using an
orgone collector for water bottles.

Jeff

Jeff,

Thanks for the inspiration. The increased heat effect sounds encouraging.I'll let you know when I have tested it out too.

:slight_smile:

Frode

Jeff,

How interesting to hear that you have made an orgone accumulator for water.
Your results suggest that orgone/soft particles really exist. That's
important.

I heard on the orgonometry list that aluminum foil is a no no because
aluminum is a poison. Cater doesn't mention that, he seems to approve of
aluminum, or maybe he just suggests it for his orgone motor idea. On the
orgonometry list someone suggested that the only metals to be used in an
accumulator are metals natually found in the body, such as iron. That's why
a lot of them use steel wool.

If it weren't for that, I would have made one a while ago because newspaper
and aluminum foil are things that I already have in the house; it's been a
bit difficult to track down rolls of steel wool in Brazil. But I don't know,
how do you feel now that you have used the aluminum foil orgone accumulator?
Healthy or poisoned?

Anybody else have comments? I know that thee was at least one knowledgeable
person from the orgone list on this one, but she got off.

Dharma/Dean

···

I just thought I'd mention that I made a version of the
orgone accumulator for my water bottle that Cater describes
in The Ultimate Reality. I covered my plastic water bottle
with a single layer of newspaper, followed by a single layer
of aluminum foil, followed by newspaper, followed by foil...
(7 alternating layers total, until I ran out of foil.)

I've been using this for about a month. As Cater mentions,
the water out of it seems to taste better. I haven't done
a double-blind test, though, so this might be my imagination.
I think I have noticed one thing, though. Normal water seems
to raise my body temperature slightly. Water from the Orgone
bottle seems to raise my body temperature quite a bit more.
As a result, I've stopped drinking from the Orgone bottle
before going to bed (drinking regular water instead) because
it makes it hard to sleep. On one particular night, I had to
take off my shirt and two layers of sweaters (that I normally
sleep in due to my 65 degree house) because I just had too
much body heat after drinking from the orgone bottle. Later
in the night, I had to put them back on because I was freezing
again.

It would be interesting to hear other results from using an
orgone collector for water bottles.

Jeff

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Dean De Lucia wrote:

Jeff,

How interesting to hear that you have made an orgone accumulator for water.
Your results suggest that orgone/soft particles really exist. That's
important.

[snip]

If it weren't for that, I would have made one a while ago because newspaper
and aluminum foil are things that I already have in the house; it's been a
bit difficult to track down rolls of steel wool in Brazil. But I don't know,
how do you feel now that you have used the aluminum foil orgone accumulator?
Healthy or poisoned?

I'm thinking the lasting effects are too subtle to tell at the moment.

Soon I'll try some double-blind experiments. I.E. Pour regular water in
one cup and orgone water in the other, then mix them up (with a label on
each) and sip from each with my eyes closed to see if I can really taste
a difference. I'll post my results after doing quite a few tests.

Jeff

Jeff,

How interesting to hear that you have made an orgone accumulator for water.
Your results suggest that orgone/soft particles really exist. That's
important.

I heard on the orgonometry list that aluminum foil is a no no because

aluminum is a poison.

That aluminum is a poison in a chemical sense does not necessary mean that it is that in a radiation sense. I have heard that aluminum should have some unhealthy "vibrations" but I am not sure of how that would affect the oregon accumulator. And I think that most of us are surrounded daily with "vibrations" that are much more unhealthy then the so called unhealthy "vibrations" from aluminum. Just think about being in the presence of someone that are depressed or the use of mobile phones. I think that we should not be too afraid for the use of aluminum in the oregon accumulator, at least when what we are doing is for the purpose of experimentation and not health.

Frode

PS! I have just made a nine layer (aluminum) accumulator and hope to start testing it out soon.

Speaking of gravity, Cater isn't the only one who feels uncomfortable with
traditional notions about gravity related to mass. I just visited
Goodfellow's page for the first time in a while, he makes some new and
interesting comments:

Page- Can Gravity be Induced?

Sample comments-

" An evolving frog egg. It's cellular structure divides and divides again.
With each division the frog embryo grows, yet individual cells remain
relatively constant in size.

Continental Drift on our planet Earth exhibit similar characteristics in
that the tectonic plates have gone through several stages ( Gondwanaland,
Pangea, present). Each stage adding an additional plate to our planet. If it
is demonstrated that plate production occurs at a greater rate than plate
subduction, then it would seem reasonable to assume that we live on an
expanding planet. It is notable that if you assembled the Continental Plates
into a shell, you would create an object the size of Mars.

Present notions as to the nature of gravity make this evolutionary concept
untenable, because the gravitational pressure is assumed to compress the
Earth's core into a dense ball. As more is discovered about the
gravitational effects brought about by plasma configurations, this opinion
may change."

Of course, his concepts, his solution, differs from Cater's, but it is
interesting that he feels uncomfortable with the idea of the Sun's gravity
being related to its mass, he doesn't feel that this corresponds to
observation:

" ABSTRACT
The Sun is inducing gravity without a corresponding quantity of mass. This
phenomenon is brought about by a plasma in a magnetically unified state; a
magnetically sustained 'non-space', an absolute vacuum held in place by the
photospheric plasma shell.

Specific neutrino observations will verify this hypothesis."

Check out his site, it is always good to broaden the mind.

Dharma/Dean

Re: Eskimo Origins

Eskimos Have own Idea of Origin

That they originally came from a land of constant sunshine, from a country
away past the northern ice barrier is the tradition of the Eskimos
themselves, and it is a tradition that must be given full weight, for it
could not have risen among them without good cause. On this point Dr. Senn
says:

When questioned as to the land of their origin " they invariably point north
without having the faintest perception of what this means."

Naturally the Eskimos do not know that the Earth is hollow and that ages ago
they lived in its interior, but they have clung to that one simple fact-
that they came from the North. Dr. Senn denies that they have any
characteristic in common with the North American Indian and thinks that they
are the remanent of " the oldest inhabitants of the Western hemisphere." In
this atributing of great antiguity to them he may be right- at least he
there agrees with Nansen. But the interior of the Earth and not the Western
hemisphere is evidently the place of their original abode.

Their Faith in This Original Home

As for the land of perpetual sunshine, the Eskimo, of course, does not
remember that as something he himself has seen, for it is very questionable
if any of the Eskimos of the present generation have ever penetrated to the
interior. But it is a well-known fact that every race has its idea of a
golden age " or paradise which is generally composed of the elements which
are handed down in its stories and myths as being characteristic of its
earliest home. Thus the Eskimo legends handed down generation after
generation, tales of its interior land with ever-shining sun, and what could
be more natural than when the Eskimo came to build in a fancy paradiise for
himself and his loved ones after they should die, that he should reconstruct
this first home of which he had heard only in dim legends? That, at any
rate, is just what he had done. Dr. Senn, discussing their religion says:

" They believe in a future world ... The soul descends beneath the Earth
into various abodes- the first of which is in the nature somewhat of a
purgatory: but the good spirits passing through it find that the other
mansions improve until at great depth they reach that perfect bliss, where
the sun never sets, and where by the side of large lakes that never freeze,
the deer roam in large herds and the seal and the walrus always abound in
the waters." .

That paradise might almost serve as a literal description of the land in the
interior of the Earth , and the way in which the Eskimo indicates a
preliminary purgatory before it can be reached may well be the reflection of
a memory handed down in the tribe of the great hardships and difficulties of
the ice barrier between that wonderful home and the present situation of the
Eskimo on the southern side of that great natural obstacle.

It is also very interesting to note that when the Eskimo first saw Peary's
effort to get further North than the great ice cap of Greenland- beyond
which they themselves had no great ambition to explore- they immediately
thought that the reason for his trying to get further North was to get into
communication with other tribes there. That idea would hardly have occurred
to them if it were not for the fact that they had traditional or other
evidence of people in the supposedly unpopulated North.

With such a weight of evidence all pointing one way it is very hard to
resist the conclusion that in the Eskimo we find a type, changed now and
mixted with other types, but still something of a type of human being that
has inhabited or still likely still inhabits the interior of the Earth. We
can certainly find no origin for them that explains their present situation.
And their legends admit of no other explanation, either. For those legends
certainly point to the same sort of land as every chapter in this book has
pointed to - a land of perpetual sun and mild climate, a land corresponding
to the " Ultima Thule " of ancient legends and that may sooner than the
skeptic expects be opened up once more to those who go properly equipped to
seek it.

···

To: Members
From: Dhamra/Dean

" Captain Richardson, in his work The Polar Regions; says: ' The Eskimos of
Point Barrow have a tradition, reported by Dr. Simpson, surgeon of the
Plover ( in the year 1832 ), of some of their tribe having been carried to
the North on ice broken up in a southery gale, and arriving, after many
nights at a hilly coun-try inhabited by people like themselves, speaking the
Eskimo language, and by whom they were well received. After a long stay, one
spring in which the ice remained without movement they returned without
mishap to their own country and reported their adventures. An obscure
indication of land to the north was actually perceived from the masthead of
the Plover when off Point Barrow."

Posted by Dharma/Dean

Members,

I have just snagged this out of The Hidden Secrets of the Hollow Earth, by
Warren Smith:

" The Egyptians also have a belief in the underworld, describing this
subterranean paradise as ' the land of heaven ' in their scrolls. There are
numerous references to subterranean lands in the Egyptian Book of the Dead."

In Etidorhpa also, subterranean realms are mentioned, some heavenly, some
hellish.

Particles from the sun's lisght experience redistribution of energy in
contact with the Earth's surface, and after a certain distance of
penetration into the Earth's shell, certain frequencies seem to congregate
at certain strata. That is why the gravity-inducing radiations only reach
down so far, after that they become transformed to other, lower frequencies,
creating different environments. The existence of such atmospheres rich in
low frequency paricles, i.e. orgone, must have tremendous effects on life,
along the lines of Etidorhpa's description of the mushroom forest.

I think that this list is unique as it allows us special insight into such
comments on the inner shell, such as the one above from the Egyptian Book
of the Dead.

Dharma/Dean

Mike Mott,

Any opinions on The Pied Piper of Hamlin? It seems to fit in with other
testimony and legends. I've put it up on my Abductions page.

http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index12.html

Dharma/Dean

--- In [email protected], "Dean De Lucia"
<0108@t...> wrote:

Mike Mott,

Any opinions on The Pied Piper of Hamlin? It seems to fit in

with other

testimony and legends. I've put it up on my Abductions page.

http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index12.html

Dharma/Dean

I mention this several times in my book as an example of a
possibly real event which has become legend. But I don't go into
great detail.

However, I recall reading in the past that something of this sort
did happen in the town that used to be called Hamelin, in the
middle ages. Some think it a confused reference to the deaths
of the children by black plague, and to the "Children's Crusade,"
when thousands of European children marched on the Holy
Land, only to end up as slaves of various sorts, murdered, or
tortured by the Saracens. But there are other tales which seem
to indicate that it happened as described, more or less.

An interesting phenomenon is that, during the years of the 'black
death,' many mysterious, dark and sinister strangers were
described as showing up or lurking about towns shortly before
the plague would strike. Some writers of fortean matters have
equated these mysterious strangers with both the MIB and the
elder race from the underworld. I don't think that this should be
so quickly dismissed. Was the black plague germ warfare
against an overpopulating humanity? Were human children led
away en masse before the release of such a plague in a
community, to preserve a genetic sample or pool from which to
sample? All interesting questions....

--Mike

Mike Mott,

About the mothmen- any evidence that they are subterranean in origin?
Obviously,, they don't live in the middle of the sky, nor anywhere on the
surface. They are a bit insect-like in appearance, and where do insects
live? In caves, holes in the ground and such.

http://ufos.about.com/science/ufos/library/weekly/aa100200a.htm

Dharma/Dean

Dean,

  The thought of an enormous insect actually living underground just does
not fit with the Mothman stories and it would be zoologically inprobable
anyway. I reiterate that this stuff ties in more with demonology than
anything else. If you read the book "The Mothman Prophecies" you will see
that UFO's, men in black, radio, tv, and telephone disturbances, strange
coincidences and synchronicity, blood banks, young lust and lovers lanes,
etc. and Mothman apparitions were all strangely linked somehow. Not to
mention that Mothman "levitated" without flapping it's enormous wings and
was able to pace a car.
This is not insect like at all besides that, by profession I happen to be an
expert on flapping wing flight and I can assure you an insect with a
wingspan of a small plane would have enormous difficulties flying if subject
to our normal laws of physics. But Mothman was never reported flapping
anyway so the point is mute. It was not a man or animal in the conventional
sense.

The name Mothman was not coined because the apparition resembled an insect
either. Most reports referred to a gigantic "bird" or human like form that
walked upright with batlike wings but the term Batman would not have worked
considering the TV series during that era so someone coined "Mothman"
instead.

I am not denying the temporary realness and physicality of these creatures.
I beleive they are temporaily materilized energy forms from another
dimension and when they are materialized can interact with our environment
and us. But to think they "live" in a habitat somewhere like earth animals
is ridiculous. I don't think they are a species at all as we know it. I
will admit there is something to the "reptilian" aspect though and our
folklore is probably the result of eye witness accounts.
  I have personally had hypnogogic experiences and lucid dreams with
disturbing content as a result of spontaneous awareness during sleep
paralysis. I've experienced this on countless occasions since I was 16 years
old.
One one occasion I felt like I woke up in bed laying on my side and opened
my eyes. I felt and saw thin red leathery batlike wings draped over me,
such as the posture of a vampire from a Hollywood movie while preparing to
bite its victim. I instinctively fought it off and it fled without a fight.
Then I remained "stuck" in this aware yet not fully conscious state until an
absorbing energy that feels and sounds like the buzzing of a bee hive came
over me, then I woke up to full consciousness. I have on occassion also seen
a classic "devil" in one of these dark lucid dream states. Considering my
lack of religious background, these literal translations of devils and
dragons would seem unlikely products of my imagination but there they were.
Just my thoughts and opinions.
Sean

···

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 1:17 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Mothemen live where?

Mike Mott,

About the mothmen- any evidence that they are subterranean in origin?
Obviously,, they don't live in the middle of the sky, nor anywhere on the
surface. They are a bit insect-like in appearance, and where do insects
live? In caves, holes in the ground and such.

http://ufos.about.com/science/ufos/library/weekly/aa100200a.htm

Dharma/Dean

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Yes, the resemble almost exactly the Sumerian underworld
creatures called UTUKKU. Not to mention the traditional image
of a "winged devil." This is covered at some length in THE DEEP
DWELLERS.

--M.

--- In [email protected], "Dean De Lucia"
<0108@t...> wrote:

Mike Mott,

About the mothmen- any evidence that they are subterranean

in origin?

Obviously,, they don't live in the middle of the sky, nor anywhere

on the

surface. They are a bit insect-like in appearance, and where do

insects

live? In caves, holes in the ground and such.

http://ufos.about.com/science/ufos/library/weekly/aa100200a.htm

···

Dharma/Dean

Sean,

Interesting points, especially the one about mothmen materializing from
other realms.

Do they actually have a gross physical form, or are they ghost-like?

Dean

I am not denying the temporary realness and physicality of these

creatures.

I beleive they are temporaily materilized energy forms from another
dimension and when they are materialized can interact with our environment
and us. But to think they "live" in a habitat somewhere like earth

animals

is ridiculous. I don't think they are a species at all as we know it. I
will admit there is something to the "reptilian" aspect though and our
folklore is probably the result of eye witness accounts.
  I have personally had hypnogogic experiences and lucid dreams with
disturbing content as a result of spontaneous awareness during sleep
paralysis. I've experienced this on countless occasions since I was 16

years

old.
One one occasion I felt like I woke up in bed laying on my side and opened
my eyes. I felt and saw thin red leathery batlike wings draped over me,
such as the posture of a vampire from a Hollywood movie while preparing to
bite its victim. I instinctively fought it off and it fled without a

fight.

Then I remained "stuck" in this aware yet not fully conscious state until

an

absorbing energy that feels and sounds like the buzzing of a bee hive came
over me, then I woke up to full consciousness. I have on occassion also

seen

a classic "devil" in one of these dark lucid dream states. Considering my
lack of religious background, these literal translations of devils and
dragons would seem unlikely products of my imagination but there they

were.

···

Just my thoughts and opinions.
Sean

Here is a piece from Chapter 26 of Etidorhpa, " Vitalized Darkness ..."

You'll see that The Guide actually makes reference to two of the processes
of soft particle physics which explain so much about Hollow Earth geological
processes. The Guide refers to the redistribution of frequency of the
particles of sunlight, a process which allows them to pass through the
Earth's shell. This is so, so important to the HE Theory because without
this understanding, nobody can explain how the inner sun is formed or
fueled.

The Guide also refers to the fact that once redistributed into soft
particles, these new particles can capture and camouflage light of the
visible band. Keep in mind that these soft particles can again liberate the
visible light if they experience friction or some type of agitation. This
happens during the auroral display. Thus soft particle physics explains why
the inner sunshine, streaming out of the polar orifices, isn't seen- it is
composed of low frequency light, not in the visible band.

It is because understandings like these are lacking that nobody can suitably
explain the geological processes of a hollow planet. We lack the sufficient
scientific understanding unless we understand soft particle physics.

Now you can understand why Mr. Cater was so impacted when he read Etidorhpa.
He had read Pellucidar and Journey to the Center of the Earth, but they
didn't correspond to any understandings that he had. Etidorhpa apparently
knoock his socks off.

Do read and thry to understand the following explanation by The Guide:

And then,
" The child ignorant of letters wonders at the resources of those who can
spell and read, and, in like manner, many obscure natural phenomena are
marvelous to man only because of his ignorance. You do not comprehend the
fact that sunlight is simply a matter-bred expression, an outburst of
interrupted energy, and that the modification this energy undergoes makes it
visible or sensible to man. What, think you, becomes of the flood of light
energy that unceasingly flows from the sun? For ages, for an eternity, it
has bathed this earth and seemingly streamed into space, and space it would
seem must have long since have been filled with it, if, as men believe,
space contains energy of any description. Man may say the earth casts the
amount intercepted by it back into space, and yet does not your science
teach that the great bulk of the earth is an absorber, and a poor radiator
of light and heat? What think you, I repeat, becomes of the torrent of light
and heat and other forces that radiate from the sun, the flood that strikes
the earth? It disappears, and, in the economy of nature, is not replaced by
any known force or ally known motion of matter. Think you that earth
substance really presents an obstacle to the passage of the sun's energy? Is
it not probable that most of this light producing essence, as a subtle
fluid, passes through the surface of the earth and into its interior, as
light does through space, and returns thence to the sun again, in a
condition not discernible by man?" He grasped my arm and squeezed it as
though to emphasize the words to follow. "You have used the term sunshine
freely; tell me what is sunshine? Ah! you do not reply; well, what evidence
have you to show that sunshine ( heat and light ) is not earth-bred, a
condition that exists locally only, the result of contact between matter and
some unknown force expression? What reason have you for accepting that, to
other forms unknown and yet transparent to this energy, your sunshine may
not be as intangible as the ether of space is to man? What reason have you
to believe that a force torrent is not circulating to and from the sun and
earth, inappreciable to man, excepting the mere trace of this force which,
modified by contact action with matter appears as heat, light, and other
force expressions? How can I, if this is trite, in consideration of your
ignorance, enter into details explanatory of the action that takes place
between matter and a portion of this force, whereby in the earth, first at
the surface, darkness is produced, and then deeper down an earth light that
man can perceive by the sense of sight, as you now realize? I will only say
that this luminous appearance about us is produced by a natural law, whereby
the flood of energy, invisible to man, a something clothed now under the
name of darkness, after streaming into the crust substance of the earth, is
at this depth, revivified, and then is made apparent to mortal
eye, to be modified again as it emerges from the opposite earth crust, but
not annihilated. For my vision, however, this central light is not a
necessity; my physical and mental development is such that the energy of
darkness is communicable; I can respond to its touches on my nerves, and
hence I can guide you in this dark cavern. I am all eye."

···

To: List Members

From: Dharma/Dean

Mike,

You know, I talk so much about that book because of the excerpts which I
have read, but I haven't even ordered it. I wanted to wait until after the
Christmas bills, but I am goin to do so now because it's a must. From what I
have read so far, it is a very significant book. You blow the whistle on the
whole ballgame.

I wonder why people like you are allowed to do this kind of stuff.

I keep thinking that the powers that be are going to stage enough of a war
to declare emergency powers with the people's approval and control all
communication, publishing, resources, ect., because if people keep finding
out enough things, eventually, others are going to say " Hey, wait a minute,
maybe all this is going on!"

Dharma/Dean

···

Yes, the resemble almost exactly the Sumerian underworld
creatures called UTUKKU. Not to mention the traditional image
of a "winged devil." This is covered at some length in THE DEEP
DWELLERS.

--M.

--- In [email protected], "Dean De Lucia"
<0108@t...> wrote:

I wonder why people like you are allowed to do this kind of

stuff.

I've often wondered this too, but I think that these aspects of our
reality were more widely known about in earlier times, and
accepted. Yesterday's knowledge is often categorized today as
superstition. Now we know just enough about particle and
quantum physics, super-string theory, and other sciences to
realize that there could very well be hidden realities which
science is only beginning to discover, and which match our
previous conceptions. Perhaps now there are those who WANT
this information to get out, but don't want to release it themselves
for fear of panic, ridicule, etc. The UFO phenomenon used to be
in this same boat, but who can seriously deny it now?
Videotape, Shuttle cameras, and hundreds of simultaneous
witnesses don't lie. The governments of the world first
suppressed and denied the existence of UFOs....Now, they let
the public largely figure it out for themselves, and may even be
leaking information. When you realize that all of these different
types of events and such are interrelated, it becomes obvious
that this is something we all NEED to know about.

I keep thinking that the powers that be are going to stage

enough of a war

to declare emergency powers with the people's approval and

control all

communication, publishing, resources, ect., because if people

keep finding

out enough things, eventually, others are going to say " Hey,

wait a minute,

maybe all this is going on!"

This is always a possibility, too. There are plenty of conspiracy
rumors about warring factions within governments, on both
sides of the issue.

--M.

Mike,

With reference to your comments below- you know, the Chinese have been
dedicating major resources to chemical weapons productions- I have read
reliable info on this in mainstream literature over that last couple of
years. So many Chinese are in the US, it would be easy for them to send
people up from Panama, smuggle them across the border and plant them in US
cities with a few test tubes of the wrong stuff.

Some Palestinian ladies were searched a few years ago upon entering the US
and were found to have small vials of anthrax concentrate, or some such
chemical weapon, up their private parts.

Who knows where such stuff originates? Maybe it is warfare directed aginst
the surface population, but how could we know?

Dharma/Dean

···

An interesting phenomenon is that, during the years of the 'black
death,' many mysterious, dark and sinister strangers were
described as showing up or lurking about towns shortly before
the plague would strike. Some writers of fortean matters have
equated these mysterious strangers with both the MIB and the
elder race from the underworld. I don't think that this should be
so quickly dismissed. Was the black plague germ warfare
against an overpopulating humanity? Were human children led
away en masse before the release of such a plague in a
community, to preserve a genetic sample or pool from which to
sample? All interesting questions....

--Mike

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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--- In [email protected], "Dean De Lucia"
<0108@t...>

Some Palestinian ladies were searched a few years ago upon

entering the US

and were found to have small vials of anthrax concentrate, or

some such

chemical weapon, up their private parts.

Who knows where such stuff originates? Maybe it is warfare

directed aginst

the surface population, but how could we know?

Dharma/Dean

I would tend to believe this to be a result of purely human evil
and stupidity. We are far from being above genocide and
mass-murder, as a species. I guess we can't blame everything
on unseen or non-human forces....

--M.