Neptune and Uranus Possess Weird Jet Streams

Folks , the most striking statement from this article comes in the last paragraph - implying that jet streams on any planet are ultimately powered from the energy of their inner Sun , via their Polar openings . Strangely , wind speeds on Neptune , the coldest planet in our Solar System are the highest - touching an insane 1,500 miles per hour , that's 10 times faster than the jet streams on Earth , which receives good amount of heat from the Sun !

"The question still remains, however, of what powers the winds on these planets. Neptune in particular, has been a puzzle for a long time. It receives very little energy from the sun and has exceptionally cold (http://www.universetoday.com/21669/temperature-of-neptune/) surface layers, meaning that the powerful winds we see in its atmosphere may be driven by heat from inside the planet."

Neptune and Uranus Possess Weird Jet Streams

Uranus and Neptune have some of the strongest winds in the solar system, but those winds are confined to relatively thin layers of their atmospheres. Continue reading →

By Ian O'Neill

Published On 05/24/2013

2:19 PM EDT

The two planets in our solar system that we probably know the least about are the ice giants, Uranus and Neptune. Distant worlds that we've visited only once, courtesy of Voyager 2, what lies beneath their clouds is still very much a mystery. However, they both share one thing in common with Earth - the atmospheres of the two ice giants contain jet streams.

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The jet streams on Earth are high in the atmosphere. Powerful streams of wind flowing from East to West, at speeds of over 100 miles per hour (160 km/h). This may sound fast, but Neptune and Uranus aren't so gentle. Neptune is particularly turbulent, boasting the strongest winds in the entire solar system, reaching speeds of over 1,300 mph (2,100 km/h). But latest results show that those winds are only found in a relatively thin layer of these planets' atmospheres.

In a recent paper, lead author Yohai Kaspi and a group of researchers based in Israel and the US show that the viciously powerful winds in these worlds are confined to a relatively small region of their atmospheres, no more than 680 miles (1,100 km) deep.

Neptune and Uranus are twins in some respects. They're very close to one other in size, mass, and composition. They're also distinctly different to the two larger giant planets, Jupiter and Saturn, in that they contain more molecules like methane, ammonia, and water. While the larger gas giants are mostly hydrogen and helium, these light gasses make up only 20 percent of their colder sister worlds.

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Understanding the atmospheres of giant planets can tell us a great deal about how those planets work, but we still know very little about them. Only a handful of spacecraft have ever visited our solar system's largest worlds, and only one (the Galileo probe in 1995) has ever given us a glimpse of a giant planet, Jupiter, from inside its atmosphere. For a long time, a big question has been whether the winds reach deep into a planet's atmosphere, or if they're only found near the surface.

For this study, Kaspi and his colleagues used an ingenious trick. They analysed the gravitational fields of the two ice giant planets to look for how they were affected by winds. The gravitational field of any planet is affected by how dense it is.

In the case of a giant planet, the motion of the swirling winds is matched by a change in the planet's gravity. For the ice giants, results showed that just 0.15 percent of Uranus and 0.2 percent of Neptune were active, confining the weather on both worlds to a very thin layer.

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The question still remains, however, of what powers the winds on these planets. Neptune in particular, has been a puzzle for a long time. It receives very little energy from the sun and has exceptionally cold surface layers, meaning that the powerful winds we see in its atmosphere may be driven by heat from inside the planet.

We may be a long way from knowing exactly how giant planets work, but results like these put us a step closer to fully understanding what goes on inside worlds like these - both within our solar system, and elsewhere.

Image: Voyager 2 image of Neptune. Credit: NASA/JPL

Neptune Winds Hit 1,500 M.P.H. : Space: Data sent back by the Voyager craft reveals the unexpected currents, the fastestin the solar system.

By LEE DYE

Dec. 6, 1989

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SAN FRANCISCO —

Scientists studying images sent back by the the Voyager spacecraft last August have discovered the fastest winds in the solar system whipping around Neptune at about 1,500 miles an hour.

The scientists found the unexpected winds after they plotted fleecy white clouds shown in a series of Voyager photographs. The clouds are being pushed at nearly supersonic speed on Neptune by winds that are similar to the jet stream on Earth, Caltech physicist Edward Stone said.

Stone, the chief scientist on the Voyager project, was one of several scientists who reported new findings during the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union here.

Neptune and its rings and satellites continue to dazzle and baffle scientists, who are still trying to unscramble the enormous amount of data sent back by the intrepid spacecraft, which is now on its way out of the solar system.

Scientists, for instance, still have no explanation for why Neptune should have such fierce winds--nearly a third faster than the 1,100-m.p.h. jet stream on Saturn.

In the months since Voyager swept past Neptune, scientists have also confirmed the most spectacular discovery growing out of the August encounter: They thought they had detected something that looked like an ice volcano on Neptune’s strangest moon, Triton, but they were so unsure of what they were seeing that they described it as a “mad idea.”

Now, however, they are convinced that Triton does, indeed, have many ice volcanoes, and several were caught in the act of erupting when Voyager zipped past.

Multiple images that show the features from various angles have given scientists a stereoscopic view of Triton, and they clearly show that dark streaks coming from the volcanoes are like plumes of smoke drifting through the satellite’s thin atmosphere.

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The fact that Voyager captured pictures of so many volcanoes led Torrence Johnson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory to conclude that “these things (ice volcanoes) apparently have lifetimes of several years.” If they were sudden, brief and isolated events, it would seem unlikely that so many would have been going off when Voyager happened by, he said.

That still leaves scientists without a full explanation for why the small moon should have ice volcanoes--something not seen anywhere else in the solar system.

Johnson speculated that the volcanoes may work something like this: Organic materials in the atmosphere are darkened through solar radiation, in a photochemical process similar to that on Earth. The materials fall to the ground, where they form a thin skin and become covered with nitrogen ice during Triton’s winter snowstorms. Then, solar radiation passes through the ice and heats the trapped material, which absorbs more radiation because it is dark. That causes the trapped material to expand and eventually explode through a weakness in the ice.

That mechanism is not too dissimilar from the “heat engine type of volcanoes” on Earth, Johnson said, although no one expected to find it on the frozen surface of Triton. While scientists seem to be increasingly comfortable with the idea of Triton’s ice volcanoes, they remain baffled by the thin rings that surround Neptune. The rings are irregular in that they have some sections that are so much fatter than others that scientists first thought Neptune had only partial rings, or ring arcs, when they were discovered with ground-based telescopes several years ago.

Voyager proved that the rings are complete, numbering either four or five, depending on who is doing the counting, but they are very irregular. Scientists could see no reason why the dust particles and rocks that make up the rings should not be distributed evenly around the planet.

Yet the rings clearly are “lumpy,” as one scientist put it, so scientists have spent the past few months searching Voyager images for small moons near the arcs. The leading theory explaining the arcs held that small moons could “shepherd” debris into the arcs, causing more material to accumulate in those areas.

But planetary scientist Jeff Cuzzi of NASA’s Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif., shot that theory down Tuesday on the basis of intensive examination of images sent back by Voyager.

“You have to have satellites at specific locations, but they’re not there,” Cuzzi said. “That (theory) didn’t work.”

No one has come up with an explanation yet that appears to work, he said.

“People are extremely puzzled,” Cuzzi added.

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Nepture is quite spooky appearing. And it's behavior fits its appearence. IIRC Astronomers are now saying that these 'gas' giants may indeed have a large solid core of rock, ice etc.

Here's a very good 1962 sci fi film 'Journey to the Seventh Planet.' where astronauts land on Uranus and discover forests, buildings and women of course. But they discover they are in some kind of Matrix.

Thanks for the post. These fierce winds do prove at the very least that the core of a planet does indeed have some effect on Climate and Weather.

Keith , you're spot on , with the last comment in your mail "These fierce winds do prove at the very least that the core of a planet does indeed have some effect on Climate and Weather."

You know what , none of us in this group is a PhD in Physics , but we're loaded with common sense , which is becoming quite rare in the scientific fraternity these days :))

Now coming to my favourite pet peeve - the "manmade global warming fearmongers" : does it EVER occur to them , that the inner Sun of a planet may also play a significant role in the climate of the planet's surface ??

It certainly does in the outer planets of our Solar System and if the laws of physics are same for Earth as they are for Uranus & Neptune , then we're in business !

Both Uranus and Neptune also have spectacular , brilliant auroras , with very little help from the faraway Sun :)) This once again proves that Polar auroras are an INTRINSIC trait of planets , independent of their parent star !

I've saved the best for last - another "embarassment" (for mainstream astronomers) is that all these outer planets clearly radiate out more energy into space , than they receive from the SUN - yes you read that right .

Uranus emits 1.1 times the energy it receives from the Sun , whereas Neptune emits a whopping 2.6 times the energy it receives from the Sun .

We don't need to be rocket scientists to realise that such NETT emission of energy by planets is impossible without a SUSTAINABLE energy source at their core . A nuclear (fission or fusion) reaction at the planetary core is the only way to explain this .

To claim that a stupid ball of molten iron at the planet's core , generates all these fancy phenomena is utter BULLSHIT :))

Regards

One of the greatest unsolved mysteries of Uranus (among many others about Uranus) is it's bizarre Axial tilt of 98 degrees . No mainstream theory is able to explain it :

https://www.livescience.com/33446-uranus-greatest-mysteries-cosmos-universe.html

The Greatest Mysteries of Uranus

By Adam Hadhazy August 12, 2011 Space

Uranus

Each week, Life's Little Mysteries presents The Greatest Mysteries of the Cosmos, starting with our solar system.

More than a billion and a half miles away from Earth looms a huge, cyan-colored world pegged with a perilous name: Uranus. (For the record, modern astronomers tend to pronounce the planet's name as "YUR-inn-us" rather than the giggle-inducing alternative.)

Along with Neptune, Uranus is considered an "ice giant," a class of planets distinct from the much-larger gas giants Jupiter and Saturn. Although hydrogen and helium gas make up much of Uranus, significant quantities of water, methane and ammonia "ices" give the planet a different color and chemistry. Size-wise, Uranus' radius is four times that of Earth's, and about 16 Earths could fit inside the ice giant's sphere.

Humankind hasn't had a close look at Uranus since the Voyager 2 probe scoped it out back in 1986, and for now, a return mission is not in the offing. Until we get back out there, some major mysteries will continue to vex, including:

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Why the sideways spin?

In terms of their rotation, the planets and the Sun can be thought of as spinning tops placed on a table they all whirl about on an axis more or less in the same plane.

Except for Uranus. It has an axial tilt of about 98 degrees, meaning its "north" and "south" poles are instead found where Earth's equator runs. The planet looks, quite simply, as though it has been knocked over onto its side. [Amazing Views of Uranus Thrill Skywatchers]

What could have done this? Barring any likelier alternatives, scientists wager that an Earth-size body collided with Uranus early in the solar system's history and toppled the world.

"An impact is the only mechanism we can think of to do that," said Mark Hofstadter, a senior scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Calif.

The fact that Uranus' 13 rings and couple dozen-plus moons are upended as well, encircling the planet like circles in a bullseye from our perspective, lends credence to this theory. "Perhaps before the satellites formed or finished forming, everything got tilted over," said Hofstadter.

Learning more about Uranus' interior, which unlike other planets does not fit any simple models, and comparing it to its sister world Neptune would help. "There might be some compositional evidence or just interior structure evidence that tells us that, 'Okay, this thing suffered a giant impact,'" Hofstadter told Life's Little Mysteries.

Uranus keeps its cool

Puzzlingly, Uranus radiates little or no heat into space, another thing that makes it unique among our solar system's planets. Planets are expected to have heat leftover inside them from their formation process; Earth's interior, for example, remains hotly molten. [How Hot Is Hell? ]

That same planetary punch that sent Uranus sideways could also explain its apparent lack of internal heat. If something giant hit Uranus, that impact could have stirred up its interior, Hofstader said. "That helped bring hot material that was deep down near to the surface, and so helped Uranus cool more rapidly."

A second idea is that normal heat flow from a warm interior to a cooler surface, called convection, is not working correctly. "We hope if we learn more about Uranus' interior structure we'll see a region where convection is inhibited," said Hofstadter. "Or, if we can tell the interior is really hot, we'll know that energy is trapped in there and not making it out."

Where was Uranus born?

Recent models of how the solar system's outer planets formed and have since evolved suggest that Saturn and the two ice giants were once scrunched in much closer to Jupiter. [What If Solar System Formed Closer to the Milky Way's Edge? ]

Not long after the solar system formed, the cumulative gravitational interactions of small planetesimals whizzing around began moving Saturn, Uranus and Neptune farther away dramatically so in the ice giants' case. "They might have doubled or tripled their distance from the Sun," said Hofstadter.

In turn, this shift in the solar system's mass cleared out most of the remaining debris from the solar system's genesis. A good many icy bodies were probably hurled in toward Earth and the inner planets during this "Late Heavy Bombardment," starting 4.1 billion years ago. Water and organic material was deposited on our planet, perhaps critical for setting the stage for the development of life.

Better computer simulations with more data should help nail down this "Nice model," named after the city in France. Uncovering Uranus' history and how it has influenced our planet speaks to the possibility of life in other solar systems: According to early data from NASA's planet-hunting Kepler spacecraft, ice giants might be the most common kind of planet in the galaxy, Hofstadter said. [Uranus, Seventh Planet in Earth's Solar System, Was First Discovered Planet]

Bonus boggler: Miranda a cliff diver's dream

Compared to the variety of moons circling Jupiter and Saturn, Uranus' 27-strong complement of satellites is less exotic. But one moon called Miranda stands out for possessing one of the gnarliest surfaces of any known astronomical body. This small moon has deep canyons, scrapes, terraced layers and a cliff some 12.4 miles (20 kilometers) deep the deepest known in the solar system.

One theory behind Miranda's geological mess suggests that flowing ices in the moon's interior, perhaps heated by gravitational squeezing from Uranus and other moons, pushed through onto the surface. Another holds that the moon was shattered several times and came back together, creating its jagged and mottled features.

Although the former theory is more en vogue currently, "I think that both have to be on the table at this point," Hofstadter said.