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MUSIC OF THE GODS? Exploring Native American Legends

by Jonsi Truthseeker
A life-long student of Native American myth and legend, Jonsi Truthseeker has
been researching tribal legends for many years, looking for clues to the
origin of humankind. In this article, he sheds new light on the popular
Kokopelli and the special birth of the white buffalo calf, Miracle, born in
1994 and considered a fulfillment of Native American prophecy.

Many Indian tribes have some sort of legend related to space travelers or
"ancient ones" which are believed to have originated from the sky or from
within the earth. These space travelers or underground dwellers are credited
by numerous Native American legends with being the originaters of the human
species or for assisting humans in learning a variety of skills from
agricultural to medicine.Concerning the inner earth dwellers, there are many
legends about the sacred paths these beings took to reach the light. The
underground portals from whence they came are what seekers today term as
"vortexes," places that have a special magnetic field which can actually be
physically felt. Some Native American legends go on to suggest that cultures
more ancient than their own retreated underground after something resembling
a major nuclear accident or the possible collision of earth with an astroid:
even the landing of a great space ship that upset Earth's balance, creating a
radioactive atmosphere which in turn killed the plant life thus causing the
Ice Age.In some tribes, there are legends about both origins. Some of the
Hopi claim to have come from one of these vortexes from within the earth
rather than from space while others claim they came from space to earth. In
some tribes, there are even legends concerning "Big Foot" and suggesting he
also came as a visitor from the sky.KOKOPELLI - Potent Creator?The true
legend of Kokopelli, the famous flute playing symbol of the Native Americans,
describes him as a sacred creature with supernatural powers who came from the
sky. The legend explains that Kokopelli traveled from village to village,
choosing a special virgin girl from each place he visited to have sexual
relations with her during the night. It was considered an honor to be chosen
by this wandering flute player. Before he arrived, the young virgins would
sense his coming which suggests a possible use of telepathic thought
transfer. The nubile girls would go through an elaborate ceremony involving
leaving water for Kokopelli in a special bowl along the path by which he
would arrive and sometimes a personal item would be left there as well,
something of value to this sacred traveler. From these offerings, he would
determine which virgin would share his bed and all children issuing from
these sacred unions displayed odd supernatural powers.Another legend suggests
the children created in the Kokopelli unions eventually built the great Olmec
civilization. They, too, are attributed supernatural powers and exhibited
building skills similar to those used to construct the Egyptian pyramids. No
one knows why the Olmec civilization vanished. One theory is that they
returned to space. Around the same time, the Anasazi (another great
civilization from about 1,000 years past to which the Hopi claim relation)
also vanished, leaving all their possessions behind. Kokopelli is often
depicted in modern jewelry and tourist items produced today, but one
important detail is usually omitted. Most people don't realize the omission
or significance but in petroglyphs, Kokopelli is usually pictured with a
huge, disproportionate penis that is about two thirds the length of his lower
body. The legend also talks about the hump on his back that most people
consider a deformity or a bag he was carrying. In this version of the legend,
it is some kind of equipment which allows him to breath in the earth's
atmosphere, further giving the impression he was not "from Earth." Some
speculate the "flute music" that heralded Kokopelli's arrival may have
actually been the ultrasonic hum of the breathing apparatus he carried on his
back, or a tube he used to breath through which produced a series of sounds
people found pleasing that was later represented by the instrument we now
know as the flute.

Pyramids
Indian Underground
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Dallas,

You got it-

" Many Indian tribes have some sort of legend related to space travelers or
' ancient ones ' which are believed to have originated from the sky or from
within the earth. These space travelers or underground dwellers are credited
by numerous Native American legends with being the originaters of the human
species or for assisting humans in learning a variety of skills from
agricultural to medicine."

Jonsi says " underground dwellers." American indian folklore has so much about cavern worlds in it. I already found that page which translates the name " Cherokee " as ' cave dweller.' I wonder if we could make some contact with them. Of course, the tribal hierarchies are quite infiltrated and quite mainstream, and the indian children all go to regular schools and get indoctrinated, ( along with the good part of education that they receive, of course ). And I don't imagine that there is any understanding left anyhow, just some old legends that they themselves hardly believe.

DD

Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Native American myth and legend,

MUSIC OF THE GODS? Exploring Native American Legends
by Jonsi Truthseeker
A life-long student of Native American myth and legend, Jonsi Truthseeker has
been researching tribal legends for many years, looking for clues to the
origin of humankind. In this article, he sheds new light on the popular
Kokopelli and the special birth of the white buffalo calf, Miracle, born in
1994 and considered a fulfillment of Native American prophecy.

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Original subject: From The Gravitational Force of the Sun, pages 110 - 112

In a paper published in 1932, the Dutch astronomer Jan Hendrik Oort calculated the velocity component perpendicular to the galactic plane of the nearby stars. He used data available in various published surveys. From analysis of the distribution of the vertical velocity at various distances north and south of the galactic plane, he obtained the acceleration in the direction z, and from this he estimated the gravitational mass necessary to cause the perpendicular motions. Oort found that the density of this gravitational mass near the sun was equal to 0.313 MS per 105° m3 (pVolume = 50). He also analyzed the available data on the absolute magnitude of the stars at various distances above and below the galactic plane. He found that the observed luminous mass of the stars was only 0.129 MS per 105° m3 (pVolume = 50). Oort concluded that about half of the total mass was invisible.

John Bahcall of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton has updated and confirmed Oort's findings in a series of papers published in 1984.9

About the same time as Oort's publication, the California Institute of Technology astronomer Fritz Zwicky, used the 2.5 m diameter telescope at the Mount Wilson Observatory, which at that time was the largest telescope in the world, to measure the redshifts of the galaxies forming the Coma cluster.'° The Coma cluster is a dense concentration of thousands of galaxies centered at about right ascension a = 13h and declination & = 28°. Our distance to the center of the cluster is about 4.26 x 1024 m (pD = 24.63). In 1933 Zwicky measured the redshifts of 7 galaxies in the Coma cluster (see Formula 3.2, page 92). The velocities ranged from 6600 km s' to 8500 km s', with an average of 7500 km s'. Zwicky argued that since the formation of great clusters, such as the Coma cluster, by purely geometrical chance was vanishingly small, the member galaxies must be bound by gravitational force. From the velocity dispersion and the radius of the cluster, he calculated the gravitational mass, and concluded that it was at least 400 times greater than the amount of the observed luminous matter.

An updated version of Zwicky's pioneering work was reported by Kent and Gunn in 1982; it included redshift measurements of 414 individual galaxies in the Coma cluster. Using the currently accepted value for the distance scale Kent and coworkers reported a masstolight ratio (M/L v in solar units) of 180.12 Several other clusters of galaxies have also been studied in recent years; they all have high masstolight ratios (between 300 to 400).lzis

In a series of papers published in the late 70s and in the 80s, Vera Rubin and coworkers measured rotational velocities of individual galaxies by optical spectroscopy." They observed several emission lines using spectrographs of the Kitt Peak or the Cerro Tololo 4 m telescopes, with the slit of the spectrograph aligned along the major axis of the galaxy. They measured the redshifts at various distances from the nucleus. Most galaxies in their sample had rotation curves that were either flat or rising out to the visible limits of the galaxy; they did not show a Keplerian velocity decrease with increasing distance from the center.

Table 4.1

Mass to light Ratios in Solar Units
System M/L References
Milky Way 2 10 17
Spiral galaxies type Sa 6.2 16
Sb 4.5 16
Sc 2.6 16
Groups 40 120 18
Clusters 180 400 12 15
Virgo supercluster 800 19

A summary of the mass to light ratios of galaxies and systems of galaxies is given in Table 4.1. Astronomers have concluded that about 2% of the matter in the universe is in the ordinary form and 98% is in a hidden form. A number of exotic hypothetical particles have been proposed as candidates for the missing mass. All attempts to detect such particles by experiments have failed. There are theoretical problems with each of these postulated particles as well.

Margaret Geller, who pioneered the threedimensional mapping of the slices of the universe,2° discusses the difficulties of explaining the missing mass problem, the nonrandom distribution of the galaxies with large bubbles and voids in between, and the isotropy of the microwave background radiation by the currently accepted cosmological theories." She concludes

" The unanswered questions in cosmology are profound. I often feel that we are missing some fundamental element in our attempts to understand the largescale structure of the universe."

A great number of astronomers, theoretical physicists, and particle physicists, in the United States and in the International community, are now actively engaged in work on various aspects of the " missing mass " problem. 112' To close a symposium of the International Astronomical Union held in Princeton in 1985, Scott Tremaine, a theoretical astrophysicist working in this field, states:

" The dominant impression which I carry away from this meeting is that extragalactic astronomy has reached a crisis."

The underlying assumption in all these works is that the gravitational force is proportional to the inert mass of a celestial body. As it was pointed out on page 18, there is no basis for Newton's assumption that the gravitational force is due to and is proportional to the quantity or density of matter.

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Agartha consists of vast continents, oceans, mountains, and rivers. Shambala
is its central city. The population is highly evolved. The civilizations of
Atlantis, the Yucatan, Peru, Brazil, Camboida, and Tibet went underground
long ago. They use UFO's to move about. Chaney confirms an inner Energy sun
and openings at both poles.

PERSONAL REMOTE VIEWING EXPERIENCES IN THE INNER EARTH
Conclusions: Many different humanoid races dwell in the inner earth Many
different hybrid species exist there The average height is much taller than
on the surface of the planet--8 feet and taller Life span-- 300 years or more
Economies are peaceful as all are provided for I did detect some political
unrest in one of the cities Many crystal and crystal technology as with
Atlantis Cities exist all through the inner earth--connected by a tunnel
system There is a central sun type of energy Most of the civilizations are
evolved technologically and spiritually Most race communicate telepathically
with each other They speak different languages and came from different
planets Different races went to the inner earth at different times in the
planet's history--The fall of Lemeuria and Atlantis being important times
Some maintain connections with ET's who monitor from outside of the planet's
atmosphere Some of the races are leaving the planet due to the earth changes
Some of the sentient species that we only get glimpses of, such as Big Foot,
the Chupacabra, etc. are part of these worlds. I have not met any of the Grey
Races down there, though that does not mean they do not exist in those
realms. Reptoids are part of these realms Surface humans have migrated to the
inner earth and dwell there. Some indigenous peoples speak of people below
the surface - such as the Ant people connected with the Hopi Indians - who
are supposedly their creator Gods. If they have to come to the surface of the
planet - they enter and exit the earth through portals that open and close
and are usually camouflaged. Locations include - North and South poles -
Pyramids - Bermuda Triangle - Argentina - Arizona - Mount Shasta - Peru -
Siberia - to name a few

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To Leslee again, from Dick...
MachoArm's email enforces the comment I just wrote to you. The Astral Travel post below from MachoArm, like some of your Astral Travel experiences, can only be noted by non -Travelers like myself. Whether he has accurately perceived what he describes below I am not sure. But he honestly states it to be his inner Astral perception which I can accept and consider. I have my own inner ideas which do not fit in with orthodox "facts" which may be valid - or just my imagination.

If MachoArm or any other list member made some of the statements below, NOT first qualifying them to be inner psychic perceptions (or conjectures), but instead stated them to be proven, real world, scientific "facts," I might take exception to some of those statements. But about someone's private psychic perceptions, I can only note. It may be that everything described below by MachoArm will eventually prove to be more real than I presently conceive!
- Dick
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MachoArm just wrote...

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Re: MachoArm's Native American myth and legend,
Members-

By the way, for something short and succinct about gravity not being related to mass, don't forget the David Pratt page, it is good and rather quick; you can read it in sections.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/gravity.htm#g4

DD

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Re: MachoArm's Native American myth and legend,People,

If pyramids also serve the purpose of markers of underground cavern worlds, then that means that all of these places have underground tunnles below them, including Mississippi!

http://etreality.topcities.com/arch.html

Dharma/Dean

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Re: MachoArm's Native American myth and legend,People,

Mike Mott has his web site up:

The site is still in progress but is ready, and
I think that Dean has done a fantastic job! He is a true friend and
all-around great guy! [ That's me! ] George Wagner might be interested to
know that Dean made the edit/revision to his account of the
"demon-bishop," which was never made (for whatever reason) at
the Icke e-magazine site. I asked, but it never happened; now it
is revised for accuracy at the new website. The URL is:

There are also links there to related sites, and especially to
Dean's excellent websites, which I highly recommend!

Best to all,

--Mike