Mr TLONH aka Matthew Taylor

Hi Dean, Hi everyone,

I'd like to introduce myself, some of you may already know me as Mr TLONH from more than a year ago, but now I'm revealing myself: Matthew Taylor is my real name. I guess when I first made that appearence back then I thought our hollow Earth book was almost done, but it took an extra year to finally finish it!. I didn't mean to leave people hanging!! - Sorry!

TLONH stands for 'The Land of No Horizon', that is the title of our book and also our web address: http://www.thelandofnohorizon.com
or http://www.tlonh.com You can read a lot about our book there or even purchase it online. Our new website was only launched last week. and we have sold a few books already.

This project has been a joint effort between my dad; Kevin Taylor and myself for the last 12 years and we believe we have uncovered lots of new information never before presented for the hollow planets theory. I hope you all find it facinating! If you read our book and you have any questions I am happy to discuss them with you.

During the last 6 months of producing our book we discovered a few extra things which never made it to print, after working on it for so long we decided it was time to finish it - we didn't want to be writing it forever! We are not sure what do do with these descoveries yet - I guess there is a possibility of another book or another addition - but both of those are years away! We will give it some time and see how our first book pans out.

It was amazing after we hit on the initial idea how everything we researched seemed to fit into place, I think this is a sure sign that we are on to something. Actually we are all on to something, the idea of a hollow Earth makes a lot of sense from all different angles.

It's good to be on this list! I hope to learn a lot of new things from you all.

Regards

Matt

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Matthew Taylor" <matt@t...> wrote:

Hi Dean, Hi everyone,

Hi, Matt,

I dropped by your site a year ago, or so. I thought then that your
book looked interesting. I'll have to get a copy soon.

I'm assuming that you concentrate more on the geode-like
structure of the interior of the planet, rather than on the "cavern
regions" like the Mohorovicic. Do you investigate any
correlations between the literal "hollow earth" and ufological,
cryptozoological, and other mysteries?

This is one of my primary areas of investigation and research,
which is my reason for asking.

I look forward to interacting with you, and to seeing your book!

Best,

--Mike Mott
Moderator

CAVERNS, CAULDRONS, AND CONCEALED CREATURES:
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/redir/index111.html

http://www.thelandofnohorizon.com/book_content_11.html

Ice Ages TheoriesWe are told of cold dark periods in the past when ice ages besieged the Earth. It is said, polar ice advanced across continents suppressing life for 100's of 1000's of years at a time.
But is what they say true?
Are theories concerning glacial remnants correct?
Evidence indicates the ocean level in ancient times was 36 metres lower than today. This too is claimed as support of the ice age theory. It is believed the level of the sea fell as its waters evaporated and converted to glacial ice kilometres deep on continents.
However, this simple thought raises an obvious question. If the Earth were plunged into deep freeze darkness as believed, where did the heat come from to evaporate 36 metres off 200 million square kilometres of worldwide oceans?
The evidence has been misread. Glacial remnants and other signs are the result of continental drift and flooding seas crossing the land.
Ice ages never happened.
The Land of No Horizon
explains why.

Posted by Dharma/Dean

···

From: The Land of no Horizons

Ralph,

I completely accept the Apolo 1 Disaster Cover Up conclusion. It just goes
to show what they were able to pull off back then, WHAT TO SPEAK OF NOW!!!
Who knows what to say about the info we get.

Dharma/Dean

hey All,

If I remember correctly, the poll closes tonight. Hit it if you haven't, I
am actually drawing an interesting conclusion and I'll have a comment to
mke.

Dharma/Dean

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allplanets-hollow/polls

Hi Mike,

Yes, one of the aims with our book is to explore the connection between the
evolution of life and the changing phisical conditions on an expanding,
hollow Earth. We atempt to show how everything from the great dinosaurs, the
UFO & Alien phenomenon, to humanity are all a result of the natural
processes which have taken place here.

I'm sure you will be excited by some of our ideas :wink:

Matt - TLONH

···

I dropped by your site a year ago, or so. I thought then that your
book looked interesting. I'll have to get a copy soon.

I'm assuming that you concentrate more on the geode-like
structure of the interior of the planet, rather than on the "cavern
regions" like the Mohorovicic. Do you investigate any
correlations between the literal "hollow earth" and ufological,
cryptozoological, and other mysteries?

This is one of my primary areas of investigation and research,
which is my reason for asking.

I look forward to interacting with you, and to seeing your book!

Best,

--Mike Mott

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Matthew Taylor" <matt@t...> wrote:

Hi Mike,

Yes, one of the aims with our book is to explore the connection

between the

evolution of life and the changing phisical conditions on an

expanding,

hollow Earth. We atempt to show how everything from the great

dinosaurs, the

UFO & Alien phenomenon, to humanity are all a result of the

natural

processes which have taken place here.

I'm sure you will be excited by some of our ideas :wink:

Matt - TLONH

Thanks, Matt.

Sorry for the late reply.

Your book does indeed sound interesting. Some aspects sound
similar to my book, "Caverns, Cauldrons, and Concealed
Creatures," but it sounds like you go more in-depth in terms of
the hollow, as opposed to cavern, portion.

I've heard this idea for an expanding Earth several times over the
years. I've often wondered if this wouldn't account somehow for
the fossil evidence for giant flora, fauna, human beings, and
cyclopean ruins which have been found; if, for some reason, an
Earth which is somehow expanding or growing would be
accompanied in its particulate or structural expansion by those
things which have become part of it's inanimate structure, and
thereby part of the same electromagnetic and physical system.

In other words, as the planet expanded, the evidence which had
become part of the planet, expanded, as opposed to the rapid
generations of animate beings, like humans, who populate the
surface. In other words, these things are gigantic or huge to us
now, but in their original living or constructed state, they were
more to our scale. The entire expansion could be somehow
related to the overall expansion of the universe itself, in some
quantum way of which we're as yet unaware.

Is this one of the themes of your book?

Thanks,

--Mike

p.s., I hope you don't mind but I am cross-posting this to the
fantasticreality group, as there may be some there with an
interest in your new book, "The Land of No Horizon."

Mike,

There is a very interesting book by Stephen Hurrell called 'Dinosaurs and
the Expanding Earth' you can download his book for free from his website:
http://www.dinox.freeserve.co.uk/ What Stephen sets out to prove is that an
expanding Earth has changed it's surface level of gravitational attraction
as it has expanded and increased in mass. A smaller Earth with less mass and
thus less gravity has alowed life to become larger in the past such is the
case with dinosaurs. I strongly recommend you read this book, it is very
interesting and it goes into great detail.

What Stephen doesn't do convincingly is provide a mechinism for Earth
expansion. That is where I believe our book 'The Land of No Horizon' is
different. We set out to prove that the Earth has naturally become hollow as
it has expanded while remaining the same mass. In doing so, an expanding
Earth slowing down in rotation indirectly reduces the level of surface
gravity. This is due to centrifugal force (which makes us lighter on the
equator) reducing in strength, this is explained in great detail in our
book.

It is the combination of an expanding Earth, a hollow Earth and the fact
that gravity was lower in the past which has attributed to the dinosaurs,
other larger life forms and also the confusing past of humanity.

It's hard to explain everything nicely here in such a short email because
there are a lot of factors all taking an effect at the same time and they
are all influencing each other, but I hope I have shed a bit more light on
our book.

Matthew Taylor,
http://www.tlonh.com

···

Your book does indeed sound interesting. Some aspects sound
similar to my book, "Caverns, Cauldrons, and Concealed
Creatures," but it sounds like you go more in-depth in terms of
the hollow, as opposed to cavern, portion.

I've heard this idea for an expanding Earth several times over the
years. I've often wondered if this wouldn't account somehow for
the fossil evidence for giant flora, fauna, human beings, and
cyclopean ruins which have been found; if, for some reason, an
Earth which is somehow expanding or growing would be
accompanied in its particulate or structural expansion by those
things which have become part of it's inanimate structure, and
thereby part of the same electromagnetic and physical system.

In other words, as the planet expanded, the evidence which had
become part of the planet, expanded, as opposed to the rapid
generations of animate beings, like humans, who populate the
surface. In other words, these things are gigantic or huge to us
now, but in their original living or constructed state, they were
more to our scale. The entire expansion could be somehow
related to the overall expansion of the universe itself, in some
quantum way of which we're as yet unaware.

Is this one of the themes of your book?

Thanks,

--Mike

p.s., I hope you don't mind but I am cross-posting this to the
fantasticreality group, as there may be some there with an
interest in your new book, "The Land of No Horizon."

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Mathew Taylor's reply to Mike's reply...

Mike,

There is a very interesting book by Stephen Hurrell called 'Dinosaurs
and

the Expanding Earth' you can download his book for free from his
website:

http://www.dinox.freeserve.co.uk/ What Stephen sets out to prove is
that an

expanding Earth has changed it's surface level of gravitational
attraction

as it has expanded and increased in mass. A smaller Earth with less
mass and

thus less gravity has alowed life to become larger in the past such
is the

case with dinosaurs. I strongly recommend you read this book, it is
very

interesting and it goes into great detail.

What Stephen doesn't do convincingly is provide a mechinism for
Earth

expansion. That is where I believe our book 'The Land of No Horizon'
is

different. We set out to prove that the Earth has naturally become
hollow as

it has expanded while remaining the same mass. In doing so, an
expanding

Earth slowing down in rotation indirectly reduces the level of
surface

gravity. This is due to centrifugal force (which makes us lighter on
the

equator) reducing in strength, this is explained in great detail in
our

book.

It is the combination of an expanding Earth, a hollow Earth and the
fact

that gravity was lower in the past which has attributed to the
dinosaurs,

other larger life forms and also the confusing past of humanity.

It's hard to explain everything nicely here in such a short email
because

there are a lot of factors all taking an effect at the same time and
they

are all influencing each other, but I hope I have shed a bit more
light on

our book.

Matthew Taylor,
http://www.tlonh.com

My Email....

Mathew,

I'll have to get your book AND Mike's to fully
understand the premises of both you guys. (I did download Hurrell's
book for later reading).

Will I have to go to your book for specific
evidence about the Earth EXPANDING? That theory is brand new to me,
especially since orthodox geologists have long thought the Earth was
now some 20 miles LESS in diameter than it was when the first crust
solidified. Gravity is LESS today? That one I need proof of.

Col. James Churchward asserted
that in the ancient past (including during the LONG period when
Dinosaurs roamed), while the atmosphere was super tropical in
temperature (certainly nothing like the present) most of Earth's
surface was covered with dense, dull Ferns and other growth. It was
nearly an endless SWAMP.

One of the proofs he provided was that in that
ancient past, no evidence has been brought forth finding MOUNTAIN
life and MOUNTAIN vegetation, ONLY SWAMP growth and SWAMP
"animal" life (including lizards). Also, he claimed, Dinosaur
life began small (in the swamps) and over an immensely long time,
grew to the giant sizes that roamed and ruled most of the world's
swamps.

In fact he went went much further,
writing that during Earth's long geological history, it wasn't until
the period between 20,000 (uplifting beginning as low hills) and
10,000 years back, that ANY mountains or mountain ranges were
uplifted. (Archaen rocks from earth's primary granite crust were
volcanically shoved upward THROUGH the upper rocks and Gneisses.
Orthodox scientists have mistakenly ASSUMED that the primary granite
rocks found on mountain tops have been there for millions of years.
They have only the fuzziest theories HOW mountains came to be, so
they bury the cause in a theoretical past. Was Churchward
mistaken about any of the preceding paragraphs?
Appreciate
comments by yourself or anyone else who has contrary
evidence.

Fundamental to Churchward's beliefs
about the geological past, is his assertion that the Earth's crust
(the center is Hollow, he agreed) cooled by fusion from the highest
possible temperature.... slowly cooling over the millions of years
without a backstep. And no sudden mythical "ice age" freezes! And
then an "unfreeze." About an "ice age," did the Sun
temporarily abandon PART of Earth for thousands of years? I say
"PART" because Churchward, also a world explorer, was with an
expedition to northern Asia in the 1800s. They found NO evidence of a
glacier having existed anywhere in Asia almost to the poles. Yet most
of the north polar area was supposed to be under thousands of feet -
no, miles - of ice which lasted for thousands of years. But not a
trace on the Asian side. (Like a movie set with an outdoor scene on
the facing side only wooden struts holding the illusion up)
. At
the same latitudes as the "ice cap" on our side, there was
temperate weather. It is no wonder university "professors" of his
time, refused to debate him and have his proof. reported. (Isn't that
also happening today with Lamprecht, Cater and others?)

A MAGNETIC CATACLYSM ABOUT 17,000 YEARS
BACK?

What Churchward and the expedition did find was
abundant evidence that when the glacier was supposed to have existed,
great waves of WATER WITHOUT ICE, poured north from the Pacific,
drowning all the land in their path, generally following the Lena
Valley depression (and creating LLAKOFF'S island just off shore of
the Lena river.)

As Churchward explained it, the Earth's
super-magnetized north polar area had LURCHED free of the Sun's
magnetic grip which had pulled it out of mean. The pole (and rest of
the globe) whipped away from the Sun but the loose waters continued
in the other direction. The great waves from the south picked up
(suddenly) the abundant animal life roaming the MOUNTAINLESS plains
and deposited them in bulk at Llakoff's island. While there was
supposed to have existed a FROZEN glacier, freezing cold over most of
the North and South, the mastodons and other animals at Llakoff, were
found with FRESH TEMPERATE VEGETABLE GROWTH in their mouths and
stomachs, just eaten on the plains from where they suddenly were
swept northward.

How could the plains of Northern Asia (and the
Gobi) have vast areas of TEMPERATE vegetation? (Please don't someone
say they came out of the Polar opening. In this case it is not
necessary) That the waters contained no ice is proven by the intact,
frozen condition of many of these animals. Had ice accompanied the
waves, they would (like animal and human life in Canada and the upper
United States) also have been ground to a pulp, mixed with mud
without trace as fertilizer.

The waves continued north, picking up rocks and
the accumulated ice at the north pole, joined the waves of the Arctic
down onto Canada (sweeping free all top soil down to the bedrock) and
plunged onto the United States (another part of it sweeping down on
parts of Northern Europe. ) The impetus of the waves began to peter
out to mostly water as far South as New Mexico. The largest rocks
(rounded to boulders, some hundreds of tons in size) were first
dropped on the plains. More ice and smaller boulders dropped off
later. Then lighter gravel and soil. (the "drift' lines) In
Churchward's imagination he pictured the (again MOUNTAINLESS) plains
of North America as one vast sea of MUD, for thousands of miles, with
here and there mounds of soil and large boulders showing above the
mud.

Later, when subterranean "gas belts" formed,
uplifting the land into mountains and mountain ranges above them, the
boulders on the plains (and those originating further back up north),
went up with them to where geologists find them today. Churchward was
convinced (from evidence in Asia) that the "MAGNETIC CATACLYSM"
causing the pole to "lurch," happened about 17,000 years back. At
that time the UIGHER empire occupied the then verdant Gobi. He wrote
of a Russian explorer who had dug 50 feet down under gravel in the
Gobi desert and discovered the Uigher capital city, KARA KOTA. He ran
out of funds after that, and unless he is listed in Russian
archaeological history, his find went unreported in the West. From
the preceding (and more not mentioned here), Churchward was convinced
that the mythical ice age is completely misunderstood. Instead of
being an event that lasted for thousands of years, it was a
catastrophe lasting probably just days.

WHY DID THE MONSTROUS DINOSAURS
VANISH?...

I've digressed from the fate of the giant
Dinosaurs, according to Churchward. As Earth's crustal rocks
continued to cool and the ground begin hardening more, the SWAMPS
(that were nearly everywhere) began to dry out, turn to marshes with
dry ridges on their edges.

The SWAMPS where the Dinosaurs lay their
eggs began to disappear. But most of all as Churchward explained, the
atmospheric temperatures dropped BELOW the optimum temperature needed
to hatch their eggs!

Reason? All life on Earth began as SIMPLE
organisms, vegetable and animal. There is a "LIFE" Force,
Churchward explained. It was a COMPOUND Force composed partly of
Earth's HEAT Force. The "Life" Force was decreed by the Creator
to BALANCE all the chemical parts and elements of life forms. The
Force HEAT played a great role and the amount of Life Force in the
atmosphere could be roughly determined by past temperatures on
Earth.

It may seem strange, but Churchward said a
SIMPLE organism needed a LARGE volume of Life Force to
"balance" its parts and put them into motion. Too much Life Force
and the organism would be over-powered and die. Too little Life Force
and the organism would also die, not enough power to some parts,
especially the GENERATIVE parts and fluids. The Dinosaurs (if
Churchward was correct) were already the "fag" end of their
line. The gradual lowering of Heat in the atmosphere (and thus in the
Life Force) was becoming insufficient to balance the simple chemical
elements in their bodies. Too little power to some parts, too much to
others resulting in the incredible (and often useless) appendages
found in late dinosaurs. They were chemically UNBALANCED, on their
way out as a species. But Churchward remarks, one scientist he named,
found that the Dinosaurs in warmer South America died out much LATER
than those further north.

That should put the juvenile theory that an
ASTEROID or METEOR struck off the coast of Mexico and its "dust"
or whatever, somehow circled the globe killing off all the Dinosaurs
(Their high heads got choked?)... along with (I've read now) most of
other life on Earth.

If such an impact did that so close to South America, why
didn't those South American Dinosaurs die off first - or at least at
the same time as the Dinosaurs in Europe and North America? But we
must not question orthodox "scientists" no matter how
stupid and unfounded are some of their theories and
conclusions.

Churchward points out that as the last of the
Dinosaurs (whose eggs wouldn't hatch) disappeared, they were
"suddenly" replaced by new life forms, the MAMMALS. Many distinct
species appeared, all about the size of small dogs... with long toes
like today's wading birds, because the marshes, now also drying out,
were being replaced by mostly soft, spongy ground.

Chemically and in all their parts they were MORE
COMPLEX than the Dinosaurs and other simple creatures that preceded
them. A LESSER volume of Life Force (and contained Heat Force) was
needed to "balance" their parts into action
. From that Eocene
time, Churchward insisted, all present mammal animal life forms were
established, including the Eocene Horse, chemically the same as
today's horse. The only major change in today's larger horse being,
not "evolution" but MODIFICATIONS only to its hooves to enable it
to flee from its pursuers over HARD GROUND. The soft ground on
Earth's surface had gradually dried out and hardened.

Your contention that the Earth has expanded may or
may not be based on fact. But I personally frown on the theory that
there are continental plates, slipping and sliding on "magna" (or
is it molten lead now?) miles thick bending like plastic and
disappearing into the earth at 45 degrees... then new plates emerging
elsewhere, again at 45 degree angles . (Those are the detailed
illustration in a book I have by Jastrow and Thompson. Vertical
"fault" cracks opened everywhere in the cooling primary granite
of early earth
. They are superficial, and though they can be
shifted around by the hot volcanic gases being moved through gas
belts 10 to 15 miles deep, they are not the cause of earthquakes...
or indicators of "plate tectonics." Just a secondary effect.

I recall reading a scientific journal space
probes article over ten years back that said how surprised scientists
were because the space probes had found NO EVIDENCE of tectonic
plates elsewhere aside from earth. The writer expressed his opinion
that Earth may be very unique.

In my saved 1952 issue of LIFE magazine (wish i
could locate it)... they made many elaborate color illustrations of
the 1952 GEOPHYSICAL YEAR. The oceans were mapped with radar. Even
today we still hear some "scientists" saying that plate movement
is proved by "fitting together" Africa, South America and
America. They seem to FIT together is the claim. But look at the
ocean bottoms shown by the maps in that Life magazine and you see
that the SHAPE of the North Atlantic ridge on either side, could also
roughly fit around edges of the continents on both sides! And for a
fact, it has been established for many decades that parts of the
North Atlantic ridge were once above water for extended periods of
time! How could those continents split apart if there was another
hunk of solid real estate in the middle. Are there any scientists
still alive today who remember those Life magazine maps about the
Geophysical year? Apparently not.

Were any of you aware that as recent as the 1950s
the theory of continental plates was being laughed at in many leading
universities? It was at the Univ of Washington when my wife was a
student there. That doesn't prove it was mistaken, but it was doubted
by some.

I really feel like a spoilsport having brought up
all the preceding. But unless you (or any reader) can provide me with
solid evidence to knock the pins out from under Churchward's ideas, I
remain skeptical about some of your basic contentions that I read in
Emails and websites. I look forward to hearing from some more expert
than myself to put reasonable doubt on Churchward's assertions. I'm
sure he must have errors somewhere in his writing. (I've myself found
a few I have doubts about) But in the main the guy seems to me to
have a better overall grasp about the geology of the Earth than
anyone I've yet read. And they have never read his books.

  • Dick Fojut in Tucson

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., Dick Fojut <dfgraphics@g...> wrote:

Mathew Taylor's reply to Mike's reply...

Thanks to both Matthew and Dick, for your great replies!

Do you mind if I cross-post them to the fantasticreality list?

Best,

--Mike

Re: Re Mike: Mr TLONH aka Matthew Taylor
Dick Fojut,

The drifting continents evidence has given rise to two theories, Plate Techtonics and Earth Expansion.

Plate Tectonics is based around the idea that the Earth has remained a constant diameter and it trys to explain continental movement by the use of spreading (or growing) areas and countering subduction (reducing) areas of crust. The combination of both spreading and subduction always keeping the surface area of the Earth constant and thus the Earth's diamter constant.

This is the original theory but many scientists have found that while spreading areas of crust are easily seen and proved, the opposite side of subduction is a different story. There is very little evidence for this concept. It appears that the surface area of the Earth is expanding as new crust is being formed and not destoryed elsewhere. Because of this, several scientists have taken the most evidential direction and began to investigate the possibilities of Earth Expansion.

In our book we go into the theories of Plate Techtonics and Earth Expansion in great detail.

You mention mountain building in your email. This is a very interesting subject, Plate Techtonics does have some mechinisms which could atribute to mountain building but on large this common phenomenon is not propperly explained. However an expanding Earth model has very strong mountain building properties.

On an expanding Earth, as it grows, the continents slowly flatten out due to the reducing surface curviture. this causes horizontal compression in the surface of the crust, it is this compression which is responsible for pushing up mountains. On a constant diameter Earth this horizontal compression is missing and so the formation of mountains becomes a mystery.

Continental drift and Earth expansion began 200 million years ago, this is when mountain building also began.

Again all of these concepts are talked about in great detail in our book.

Matthew Taylor,

http://www.tlonh.com

···

The Earth Expansion theory has been around for a long time and there are several key scientists which are pushing the idea. The most notible is S. Warren Carey - a geologist from Tasmania Australia. He first wrote on the subject with his book "The Expanding Earth" in 1976. This book may be hard to find now but since then he has written several more. His latest book is called 'Theories of the Earth and Universe : A History of Dogma in the Earth Sciences' (1988) It is available from amazon.com here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0804713642/thelandofnoho-20/107-5567759-2358144 (I hope you don't mind but I have added my amazon affiliate link to that) On our website I have added a links page where you can find a lot of very interesting links relating to our book, There are 6 expanding Earth links and they are all worth checking out. The address of our links page is: http://www.tlonh.com/links.html

** I'll have to get your book AND Mike's to fully understand the premises of both you guys. (I did download Hurrell's book for later reading).**

Will I have to go to your book for specific evidence about the Earth EXPANDING? That theory is brand new to me, especially since orthodox geologists have long thought the Earth was now some 20 miles LESS in diameter than it was when the first crust solidified. Gravity is LESS today? That one I need proof of.

Col. James Churchward asserted that in the ancient past (including during the LONG period when Dinosaurs roamed), while the atmosphere was super tropical in temperature (certainly nothing like the present) most of Earth's surface was covered with dense, dull Ferns and other growth. It was nearly an endless SWAMP.

** One of the proofs he provided was that in that ancient past, no evidence has been brought forth finding MOUNTAIN life and MOUNTAIN vegetation, ONLY SWAMP growth and SWAMP "animal" life (including lizards). Also, he claimed, Dinosaur life began small (in the swamps) and over an immensely long time, grew to the giant sizes that roamed and ruled most of the world's swamps.**

In fact he went went much further, writing that during Earth's long geological history, it wasn't until the period between 20,000 (uplifting beginning as low hills) and 10,000 years back, that ANY mountains or mountain ranges were uplifted. (Archaen rocks from earth's primary granite crust were volcanically shoved upward THROUGH the upper rocks and Gneisses. Orthodox scientists have mistakenly ASSUMED that the primary granite rocks found on mountain tops have been there for millions of years. They have only the fuzziest theories HOW mountains came to be, so they bury the cause in a theoretical past. ** Was Churchward mistaken about any of the preceding paragraphs?** ** Appreciate comments by yourself or anyone else who has contrary evidence.**

Fundamental to Churchward's beliefs about the geological past, is his assertion that the Earth's crust (the center is Hollow, he agreed) cooled by fusion from the highest possible temperature.... slowly cooling over the millions of years without a backstep. And no sudden mythical "ice age" freezes! And then an "unfreeze." About an "ice age," did the Sun temporarily abandon PART of Earth for thousands of years? I say "PART" because Churchward, also a world explorer, was with an expedition to northern Asia in the 1800s. They found NO evidence of a glacier having existed anywhere in Asia almost to the poles. Yet most of the north polar area was supposed to be under thousands of feet - no, miles - of ice which lasted for thousands of years. ** But not a trace on the Asian side. (Like a movie set with an outdoor scene on the facing side only wooden struts holding the illusion up)** . At the same latitudes as the "ice cap" on our side, there was temperate weather. It is no wonder university "professors" of his time, refused to debate him and have his proof. reported. (Isn't that also happening today with Lamprecht, Cater and others?)

A MAGNETIC CATACLYSM ABOUT 17,000 YEARS BACK?

** What Churchward and the expedition did find was abundant evidence that when the glacier was supposed to have existed, great waves of WATER WITHOUT ICE, poured north from the Pacific, drowning all the land in their path, generally following the Lena Valley depression (and creating LLAKOFF'S island just off shore of the Lena river.)**

** As Churchward explained it, the Earth's super-magnetized north polar area had LURCHED free of the Sun's magnetic grip which had pulled it out of mean. The pole (and rest of the globe) whipped away from the Sun but the loose waters continued in the other direction. The great waves from the south picked up (suddenly) the abundant animal life roaming the MOUNTAINLESS plains and deposited them in bulk at Llakoff's island. While there was supposed to have existed a FROZEN glacier, freezing cold over most of the North and South, the mastodons and other animals at Llakoff, were found with FRESH TEMPERATE VEGETABLE GROWTH in their mouths and stomachs, just eaten on the plains from where they suddenly were swept northward.**

How could the plains of Northern Asia (and the Gobi) have vast areas of TEMPERATE vegetation? (Please don't someone say they came out of the Polar opening. In this case it is not necessary) That the waters contained no ice is proven by the intact, frozen condition of many of these animals. Had ice accompanied the waves, they would (like animal and human life in Canada and the upper United States) also have been ground to a pulp, mixed with mud without trace as fertilizer.

** The waves continued north, picking up rocks and the accumulated ice at the north pole, joined the waves of the Arctic down onto Canada (sweeping free all top soil down to the bedrock) and plunged onto the United States (another part of it sweeping down on parts of Northern Europe. ) The impetus of the waves began to peter out to mostly water as far South as New Mexico. The largest rocks (rounded to boulders, some hundreds of tons in size) were first dropped on the plains. More ice and smaller boulders dropped off later. Then lighter gravel and soil. (the "drift' lines) In Churchward's imagination he pictured the (again MOUNTAINLESS) plains of North America as one vast sea of MUD, for thousands of miles, with here and there mounds of soil and large boulders showing above the mud.**

Later, when subterranean "gas belts" formed, uplifting the land into mountains and mountain ranges above them, the boulders on the plains (and those originating further back up north), went up with them to where geologists find them today. Churchward was convinced (from evidence in Asia) that the "MAGNETIC CATACLYSM" causing the pole to "lurch," happened about 17,000 years back. At that time the UIGHER empire occupied the then verdant Gobi. He wrote of a Russian explorer who had dug 50 feet down under gravel in the Gobi desert and discovered the Uigher capital city, KARA KOTA. He ran out of funds after that, and unless he is listed in Russian archaeological history, his find went unreported in the West. From the preceding (and more not mentioned here), Churchward was convinced that the mythical ice age is completely misunderstood. ** Instead of being an event that lasted for thousands of years, it was a catastrophe lasting probably just days.**

WHY DID THE MONSTROUS DINOSAURS VANISH?...

I've digressed from the fate of the giant Dinosaurs, according to Churchward. As Earth's crustal rocks continued to cool and the ground begin hardening more, the SWAMPS (that were nearly everywhere) began to dry out, turn to marshes with dry ridges on their edges.

** The SWAMPS where the Dinosaurs lay their eggs began to disappear. But most of all as Churchward explained, the atmospheric temperatures dropped BELOW the optimum temperature needed to hatch their eggs!**

** Reason? All life on Earth began as SIMPLE organisms, vegetable and animal. There is a "LIFE" Force, Churchward explained. It was a COMPOUND Force composed partly of Earth's HEAT Force. The "Life" Force was decreed by the Creator to BALANCE all the chemical parts and elements of life forms. The Force HEAT played a great role and the amount of Life Force in the atmosphere could be roughly determined by past temperatures on Earth.**

It may seem strange, but Churchward said a SIMPLE organism needed a LARGE volume of Life Force to "balance" its parts and put them into motion. Too much Life Force and the organism would be over-powered and die. Too little Life Force and the organism would also die, not enough power to some parts, especially the GENERATIVE parts and fluids. The Dinosaurs (if Churchward was correct) were already the "fag" end of their line. The gradual lowering of Heat in the atmosphere (and thus in the Life Force) was becoming insufficient to balance the simple chemical elements in their bodies. Too little power to some parts, too much to others resulting in the incredible (and often useless) appendages found in late dinosaurs. They were chemically UNBALANCED, on their way out as a species. But Churchward remarks, one scientist he named, found that the Dinosaurs in warmer South America died out much LATER than those further north.

** That should put the juvenile theory that an ASTEROID or METEOR struck off the coast of Mexico and its "dust" or whatever, somehow circled the globe killing off all the Dinosaurs (Their high heads got choked?)... along with (I've read now) most of other life on Earth.**

** If such an impact did that so close to South America, why didn't those South American Dinosaurs die off first - or at least at the same time as the Dinosaurs in Europe and North America? But we must not question orthodox "scientists" no matter how stupid and unfounded are some of their theories and conclusions.**

Churchward points out that as the last of the Dinosaurs (whose eggs wouldn't hatch) disappeared, they were "suddenly" replaced by new life forms, the MAMMALS. Many distinct species appeared, all about the size of small dogs... with long toes like today's wading birds, because the marshes, now also drying out, were being replaced by mostly soft, spongy ground.

** Chemically and in all their parts they were MORE COMPLEX than the Dinosaurs and other simple creatures that preceded them. A LESSER volume of Life Force (and contained Heat Force) was needed to "balance" their parts into action** . From that Eocene time, Churchward insisted, all present mammal animal life forms were established, including the Eocene Horse, chemically the same as today's horse. The only major change in today's larger horse being, not "evolution" but MODIFICATIONS only to its hooves to enable it to flee from its pursuers over HARD GROUND. The soft ground on Earth's surface had gradually dried out and hardened.

Your contention that the Earth has expanded may or may not be based on fact. But I personally frown on the theory that there are continental plates, slipping and sliding on "magna" (or is it molten lead now?) miles thick bending like plastic and disappearing into the earth at 45 degrees... then new plates emerging elsewhere, again at 45 degree angles . (Those are the detailed illustration in a book I have by Jastrow and Thompson. ** Vertical "fault" cracks opened everywhere in the cooling primary granite of early earth** . They are superficial, and though they can be shifted around by the hot volcanic gases being moved through gas belts 10 to 15 miles deep, they are not the cause of earthquakes... or indicators of "plate tectonics." Just a secondary effect.

** I recall reading a scientific journal space probes article over ten years back that said how surprised scientists were because the space probes had found NO EVIDENCE of tectonic plates elsewhere aside from earth. The writer expressed his opinion that Earth may be very unique.**

In my saved 1952 issue of LIFE magazine (wish i could locate it)... they made many elaborate color illustrations of the 1952 GEOPHYSICAL YEAR. The oceans were mapped with radar. Even today we still hear some "scientists" saying that plate movement is proved by "fitting together" Africa, South America and America. They seem to FIT together is the claim. But look at the ocean bottoms shown by the maps in that Life magazine and you see that the SHAPE of the North Atlantic ridge on either side, could also roughly fit around edges of the continents on both sides! And for a fact, it has been established for many decades that parts of the North Atlantic ridge were once above water for extended periods of time! How could those continents split apart if there was another hunk of solid real estate in the middle. Are there any scientists still alive today who remember those Life magazine maps about the Geophysical year? Apparently not.

Were any of you aware that as recent as the 1950s the theory of continental plates was being laughed at in many leading universities? It was at the Univ of Washington when my wife was a student there. That doesn't prove it was mistaken, but it was doubted by some.

I really feel like a spoilsport having brought up all the preceding. But unless you (or any reader) can provide me with solid evidence to knock the pins out from under Churchward's ideas, I remain skeptical about some of your basic contentions that I read in Emails and websites. I look forward to hearing from some more expert than myself to put reasonable doubt on Churchward's assertions. I'm sure he must have errors somewhere in his writing. (I've myself found a few I have doubts about) But in the main the guy seems to me to have a better overall grasp about the geology of the Earth than anyone I've yet read. And they have never read his books.

  • Dick Fojut in Tucson

Mike

That's fine with me! :wink:

Matthew Taylor
http://www.tlonh.com

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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., Dick Fojut <dfgraphics@g...> wrote:
> Mathew Taylor's reply to Mike's reply...

Thanks to both Matthew and Dick, for your great replies!

Do you mind if I cross-post them to the fantasticreality list?

Best,

--Mike

Dick's Re to Mathew's Re
Reply to Mathews' reply....

****Mathew,

Thanks for your following reply. Before
proceeding, on my earlier response to you I mistyped: "Gravity is
LESS today? That one I need proof of." I Meant to type:
"GREATER today?" (careless)

Was still in doubt either way (Less or
Greater), BUT after reading just chapter one of Hurrell's download
book, I'm reconsidering. Hurrell - and you - may have a valid
premise about Earth's surface gravity being WEAKER during the time of
the large dinosaurs. Obviously you are not familiar with CHURCHWARD'S
work and give it no credence at all. No matter.

Examining your premise through the
"FILTER" of Churchward's geological concepts (as I have been in
the habit of doing for decades) your "GREATER surface gravity
today" premise has some support that probably didn't dawn on
Churchward.

About GRAVITY and how I think
Churchward's views may support your premise, a necessary explanation
first. Please bear with me...

Churchward described Earth being
born from a super hot gas nebula (containing ALL the elements that
eventually cooled and combined to form Earth's crustal body, waters
and atmosphere).

He had practical experience at
CHURCHWARD INTERNATIONAL STEEL, casting large molten masses and
cooling them down to (earthly) atmospheric temperatures. He instructs
that from the time that the first line of crystals completely
solidifies to form the outside crustal crystals, THERE IS NO FURTHER
REDUCTION IN THE OUTSIDE DIMENSIONS even after the rest of the inside
mass cools and solidifies. Inside the crust, the molten matter begins
to crystallize, adhere and solidify against the INSIDE of the crust.
From the center, the molten mass moves OUTWARD to join against the
crust. The center is the last to cool and solidify, not the
first.

But IF the free gases are not first
completely cleared from the mass (as intentionally happened with the
Earth's forming crust) a small or large HOLLOW develops in the center
of the mass, called "piping" in the steel industry. All the
matter from the center has moved outward adhering to the inside of
the outer crust. From the moment the outer crust completely cools and
solidifies, Churchward wrote, there is NO further change in the outer
dimensions (or diameter) of the mass. No "shrinking" or
"expansion."

He contended that the later
(geologically agreed upon) 20 mile plus reduction of Earth's diameter
did NOT come about through any "shrinkage" of the overall body of
the Earth during cooling (as a majority of geologists believe).
Instead the reduction came about but from BLOWOUTS of many upper GAS
BUBBLES (or chambers) filled with explosive free gases, that formed
in the Earth's solidifying primary granite rock.

He estimated those gas filled
chambers occupied at least HALF of the crust's initial volume, in
cross section giving it a HONEYCOMB appearance (Not unlike the
appearance of Swiss Cheese before the cheese is squeezed and
compacted).

Churchward claimed the solidifying primary
granite crust was composed of SIX ELEMENTS ONLY, Oxygen, Aluminum,
Silicon, Magnesium, Calcium and Potassium. From those six gases
only... "The primary foundation rocks, cooled from fusion,
formed a mechanical union of QUARTZ, FELSPAR and MICA." With the
Earth, while heavy outside rock forming gases in the nebula were
combining and solidifying against the outside of the first thin line
of crustal crystals, they were doing the same up against the inside
of the line (as in casting steel), moving away from the center.

Somewhere below 50 miles under the primary
granite crust, formed a neutral zone (too much to explain here),
where the lower molten mass cannot further cool and solidify. This
"soft" molten layer (which MAY be 600, 800 or more miles in
thickness) is rotating at a slightly slower speed than the hard,
outside crust. As well as being a neutral zone to further cooling,
that line between the molten central layer and the hard outside crust
is a FRICTION LINE. The friction between the two layers has created a
giant DYNAMO, generating all of Earth's many (subtle) cold magnetic
and electromagnetic Forces... including Earth's Heat and Light
Forces. After these Forces are generated at the FRICTION LINE, the
Forces are put into storage (in cold, inactive condition) in the hard
crust, serving as Earth's storage "battery." From the storage in
the crust "Nature" and the Sun's affinitive Forces draw out
volumes of the Forces to carry out their daily duties on the surface
and in the atmosphere.

Churchward contended that ALL bodies in space
rotating on an axis (defined as "live") must be SIMILARLY
constructed with a HARD (relatively cool) outer crust and a SOFT
molten "center" layer, rotating at different speeds, creating a
FRICTION LINE dual-magnet "DYNAMO" where cold magnetic and
electromagnetic Forces are generated. Planets and Suns alike. In his
books he points to various phenomena that indicate this is the
apparent way bodies in the cosmos are functioning, orderly, without
chaos.

SIMPLICITY...

The above description may appear too
SIMPLE to some readers, who hold a really materialistic mechanistic
outlook about the workings of the cosmos, preferring lots of neat
mathematical formulas and equations that seem to explain some natural
phenomena. Churchward was probably well versed in all that but chose
instead to write his books in plain language to effectively
communicate to laymen like myself (and open minded scientists), the
basic SIMPLICITY of the universe we exist in.

Clearly, Churchward implies that the above
described overall operating procedure (hard crusts, soft centers) has
been SET UP by and is controlled by a Creator ...the ONE Great
PRIMARY Force in the Cosmos... who has assigned precise motivations
and duties to each of the SECONDARY Forces emanating from his
Beingness that carry out both the movements, orbits and interactions
of every elemental body in space... and movements inside the atoms.
He claimed this knowledge, combining cosmic sciences with
"religion" into one study, was common to students in the ancient
world, including those in MU some 50,000 and more years past. You can
disbelieve it or not. But he contends that the entire cosmos
functions under simple "natural laws" invented by the Creator.
Hopefully we will each discern those simple "natural laws"
correctly.

End to the "necessary explanation" above
and finally back to possibly supporting your "LESS GRAVITY at
the time of the dinosaurs" premise...

According to Churchward, until Earth's upper
crustal rocks were blown out of gases, then compacted (free of
chambers) and hardened, to many miles in depth, Earth's central
dual-magnet (at the Friction Line), lacked the "power" to counter
the the never ending efforts of the Sun and its affinitive Forces, to
attract, "pull" or "draw" out into the atmosphere the volumes
of Earth's forces packed into the super-magnetized north polar
area.
This caused Earth's resisting (but weak) magnet, attempting
to "hold on" to its Forces, being "dragged" (with its pole)
to tip toward the Sun beyond mean.

From Earth's inception, this continual
"battle" with the Sun pulling the pole out of mean, then the
Earth's (weaker) magnet and the gyroscopic force regaining
(temporary) control, causing a quick "lurch" of the pole away
from the Sun... resulted in periodic "MAGNETIC CATACLYSMS" as the
loose waters on the surface continued on in the former direction,
drowning all land in the path.

Gradually the power of Earth's magnet grew and with
it, due to the increased thickening and compacting of the crustal
rock layers, additional volumes of generated Forces were retained in
the storage house of the crust AFTER the Sun had pulled out all it
was capable of extracting. The elements in Earth's atmosphere were
limited in their "holding capacity" of Forces, ending further
extractions by the Sun, leaving sufficient Forces in the crust for
Earth's central magnet to successfully resist the Sun's efforts to
tip the pole. Churchward thinks Earth went into final magnetic
balance with the last, and FINAL, "magnetic cataclysm,"
(mistakenly interpreted as the "ice age.") Earth's magnetic power
was now capable of nullifying the magnetic efforts of the Sun. Or so
Churchward thought. (Let us hope he was right)

It is conceivable, IF Churchward was
correct about the relative weakness of early Earth's central magnet,
there MAY have been less surface gravity countering Earth's
centrifugal force. Possibly the great dinosaurs DID have LESS gravity
to contend with. But I have doubts about how much less. 5%? 10%?
More? Probably even 25% would not be enough. And we must not dismiss
the nature of the environment lived in... described by Churchward as
"endless swamps." Water and slush, with limited ground and
that soft and muddy, not exactly conducive to "sprinting" at top
speed for any creature. OR do you dispute Churchward's contention the
dinosaurs environment was SWAMPY?
How's that for partial
support from me?
- Dick F.

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Mathews' Email to me and my additional comments to him....

Dick Fojut,
The drifting continents evidence has
given rise to two theories, Plate Techtonics and Earth
Expansion.

What
"evidence?" The fact that "new" molten volcanic matter is
thrust up from the middle of the north Atlantic ridge? That's the
example I've heard put forth time after time! "Drifting
continents," and "Plate Tectonics" are just currently
"embraced" THEORIES by orthodoxy. Seems to me the evidence for
either is still very thin and subject to a lot of "wishful
thinking." - Dick F.

Plate Tectonics is based around the idea
that the Earth has remained a constant diameter and it trys to
explain continental movement by the use of spreading (or growing)
areas and countering subduction (reducing) areas of crust. The
combination of both spreading and subduction always keeping the
surface area of the Earth constant and thus the Earth's diamter
constant.

This is the original theory but
many scientists have found that while spreading areas of crust are
easily seen and proved, the opposite side of subduction is a
different story. There is very little evidence for this concept. It
appears that the surface area of the Earth is expanding as new crust
is being formed and not destoryed elsewhere. Because of this,
several scientists have taken the most evidential direction
and began to investigate the possibilities of Earth
Expansion.
About the above... If
theorized, but still unproved "continental movement" is NOT
actually happening, all stated above is meaningless. Apparently
"believers" picture the "plates" of the continents as being
multi-mile thick, ULTRA FLEXIBLE "Plastic" judging by the
illustrations in Jastrow and Thompson's "Astronomy: Fundamentals
and Frontiers." Instead of solid rock, the continental "plates"
are shown flexibly BENDING and dipping UNDER each other at 45% angles
(without splitting or cracking apart) deep into that molten plasma
where they melt. Then new "plates" are shown emerging later.
Quite an invention. Not meaning to be insulting, but isn't this
belief that the continents beneath us (ignoring their stable support
of massive and heavy mountain ranges) are really just fragile, thin
"sheets" floating helplessly on top of a "lake" of lava. You
believe that? - Dick F.

The Earth Expansion theory has been
around for a long time and there are several key scientists which are
pushing the idea. The most notible is S. Warren Carey - a geologist
from Tasmania Australia. He first wrote on the subject with his book > "The Expanding Earth" in 1976. This book may be hard > to find now but since then he has written several more. His latest > book is called 'Theories of the Earth and Universe : A History of
Dogma in the Earth Sciences' (1988) It is available from amazon.com
here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0804713642/thelandofnoho-20/107-5567759-2358144 (I hope you don't mind but I have added my
amazon affiliate link to that)
On our website I have added a links page
where you can find a lot of very interesting links relating to our
book, There are 6 expanding Earth links and they are all worth
checking out. The address of our links page is: http://www.tlonh.com/links.html

Thanks for the URLs above. I'll look into them and see how much they
can provide for me as proofs. - Dick F.

In our book we go into the theories of
Plate Techtonics and Earth Expansion in great
detail.
You mention mountain building in your
email. This is a very interesting subject, Plate Techtonics does have
some mechinisms which could atribute to mountain building but on
large this common phenomenon is not propperly explained. However an
expanding Earth model has very strong mountain building
properties.

On an expanding Earth, as it
grows, the continents slowly flatten out due to the reducing surface
curviture. this causes horizontal compression in the surface of the
crust, it is this compression which is responsible for pushing up
mountains. On a constant diameter Earth this horizontal compression
is missing and so the formation of mountains becomes a
mystery.

****Continental drift
and Earth expansion began 200 million years ago, this is when
mountain building also began

Again all of these concepts are talked about in great detail in our
book.
Matthew Taylor,
http://www.tlonh.com

Mathew, from the paragraphs
above I am convinced you only cursorily glanced at my initial Email
response at the bottom of this Email. Of course the formation of
mountains is a mystery to some orthodox geologists! The PICTURE of
Earth's geological past and present presented by orthodox geologists
(and apparently embraced by you) is a hodgepodge of often
disrelated and ridiculous assumptions. For example in the above
(slightly out of context), you state:
"...this causes
horizontal compression in the surface of the crust, it is this
compression which is responsible for pushing up mountains."
My comment: In mountain range after mountain range, smaller
mountain ranges are seen extending out at 90 degree angles from the
main range. The silly old example often given by plate believers by
pushing a piece of paper from 2 sides until the middle sticks up,
falls flat in explaining the ranges extending out from the main
range! In the recent past, plate believers have used a similar
example, claiming that INDIA floated up, rammed another plate and
caused the Himalayas to pop up from HORIZONTAL pressure! The
Himiaayas have range after range jutting out from the main ranges at
different angles. No purely "Horizontal" pressure can achieve
that.


** So far as I yet know, James
Churchward (you SHOULD read him soon) is the only scientist who has
presented a UNIFIED picture, in sequence, that explains nearly EVERY
NATURALPHENOMENA Earth has ever experienced! And backed it up with
solid proof after proof. Starting with the BIRTH OF THE
EARTH from a nebula of super hot gases... and how and why its
molten crust became "honeycombed" with bubbles of explosive
volcanic gases formed in the solidifying primary granite
rock...**

** HOW SEDIMENTARY ROCK AND COAL
SEAMS FORMED...**

** Again... The UPPER bubbles
became OVER-compressed with additional gases from below, forced into
them by Earth's CENTRIFUGAL FORCE through vertical cracks and
fissures. And how that OVER-compression BLEW OUT the gases through
their roofs, which crashed down, were filled and compressed under
water and created compacted SEDIMENTARY rock layers. And in other
cases compacted COAL SEAM layers. For millions of years Earth's
centrifugal force continued forcing volcanic gases into each next
lower level of chamber "bubbles," raising their roofs too and all
rocks on top above the waters until they too blew out, collapsed and
were covered with water.**

** DEPTHS OF OUR
OCEANS...**

** Again... The depths of our
oceans and seas came from ancient blowouts of such chambers. The
deepest parts came from blowouts of a series of chambers one under
the other. Look at the edges of the continents. At many the sides
drop off vertically to great depths, as if a cookie cutter had formed
them. They look that way because the volcanically blown out 'roof"
over a large chamber collapsed straight down to the chamber floor.
Collapse the roof on a house and you see the same effect. The walls
stand (edge of continent), the roof has fallen. The IRISH WALL is an
example of this. A deep cliff. How does Geology explain this? They
don't. It can only be logically understood if one grasps the events
that Churchward has described.**

** HOW WERE MOUNTAIN
RANGES UPLIFTED? No mystery here either.**

** Again.... After
several miles thick of upper chambers were blown out, their crashed
roofs and floors compressed and compacted, free of pockets, the
volcanic gases, continuing to be forced upward, met with resistance.
Unable to easily penetrate the surface as before, they moved
laterally through lower chambers connected by lateral fissures,
forming ":gas belts" 10 to 15 miles deep. As these volumes of
super hot volcanic gases moved along under enormous pressure from
Earth's unmeasurable centrifugal force, they OVER-compressed the
"belt" forcing the belt roofs upward...and with the belt roofs
miles thick of the resistant, compacted layers of rocks above. The
rocks they raised above them (but could not puncture) are our
MOUNTAIN RANGES, following the belts below them that uplifted them.
The "gas belts" run in parallels, loops and angles extensions,
and generally north-south or east-west. Wherever there are mountain
ranges, there are gas belts beneath them**

** VOLCANOS?**

** Again, all mountain ranges
have volcanic cones on them, some active, some quiescent. Why?
Because the belt (or belts) below that pushed up the range,
eventually found a weak spot, cracked through the surface, forming a
volcanic cone through which the belt gases emptied. And further
mountain range raising temporarily ceased.**

** Again, What are
EARTHQUAKES?**

** No mystery except to most
volcanologists and geologists. Answer: Blocks in a gas belt.
Fallen rocks from the roof or sides of a (temporarily) pressure
emptied gas belt, blocking the movement of new volumes of gases being
moved along the belt. The super hot volcanic gases forge around,
explosively push or melt through the block. It shakes the hell out
everything on the surface. We experience an EARTHQUAKE on the
surface! (When a relatively superficial and shallow vertical crack
above, a so-called "FAULT," shifts some from the gases shaking
the deeper rocks below, we have a secondary effect)**

** From just the above sequence,
starting with the solidification of Earth's granite crust, any
ordinary person with a logical mind and common sense, can
understand the how and why of some of the most important natural
PHENOMENA our world has experienced. Yet orthodox geology has only
disjointed, shifting theories to "explain" any of the preceding
events that Churchward easily grasped and explained as a unified
whole.**

** Incredible! Continental drift,
Earth Expansion, Tectonic plates, seem to my ordinary layman mind as
mostly amateurishly and poorly dreamed up lame science fiction
theories by people who cannot conceive of how SIMPLY geological
events have occurred. My God. Those people really desperately need to
READ Churchward. Criticize or dismiss him afterward. You'll have a
right to do so then. But measure your "scientific" assumptions
against his first and then decide whose are closer to real world
events. - Dick F**

If anyone is interested in getting
Churchward's two purely scientific books, "COSMIC FORCES OF
MU," books one and two (and you can't locate them at a used book
store or - unlikely - a Library) check out the following
websites...

BotherHood of Life website...
http://www.brotherhoodoflife.com/MU.html
$17.95 for each copy of Book One and Book Two.
Aquila Cove Weat distribution

http://www.aquila.org/dbfiles/446.HTML

(Apparently $14.95 per copy)


P.S. Also, if you're interested, you might
like to read a piece about Churchward I wrote, that Jeff Rense put on
his website earlier... "THE SCIENTIFIC ABSURDITY OF THE MYTHICAL
ICE AGE." (The magnetic cataclysm)

http://www.sightings.com/general3/myth.htmhttp://www.sightings.com/general3/myth.htm

The URL above is still active.


My prior respone to Mathew....

I'll have to get your book AND Mike's to
fully understand the premises of both you guys. (I did download
Hurrell's book for later reading).

Will I have to go to your book for
specific evidence about the Earth EXPANDING? That theory is brand new
to me, especially since orthodox geologists have long thought the
Earth was now some 20 miles LESS in diameter than it was when the
first crust solidified. Gravity is LESS today? That one I need proof
of.

Col. James Churchward
asserted that in the ancient past (including during the LONG period
when Dinosaurs roamed), while the atmosphere was super tropical in
temperature (certainly nothing like the present) most of Earth's
surface was covered with dense, dull Ferns and other growth. It was
nearly an endless SWAMP.
One of the proofs he provided was that in
that ancient past, no evidence has been brought forth finding
MOUNTAIN life and MOUNTAIN vegetation, ONLY SWAMP growth and SWAMP
"animal" life (including lizards). Also, he claimed,
Dinosaur life began small (in the swamps) and over an immensely long
time, grew to the giant sizes that roamed and ruled most of the
world's swamps.

In fact he went went much
further, writing that during Earth's long geological history, it
wasn't until the period between 20,000 (uplifting beginning as low
hills) and 10,000 years back, that ANY mountains or mountain ranges
were uplifted. (Archaen rocks from earth's primary granite crust were
volcanically shoved upward THROUGH the upper rocks and Gneisses.
Orthodox scientists have mistakenly ASSUMED that the primary granite
rocks found on mountain tops have been there for millions of years.
They have only the fuzziest theories HOW mountains came to be, so
they bury the cause in a theoretical past. Was Churchward
mistaken about any of the preceding paragraphs?
Appreciate
comments by yourself or anyone else who has contrary
evidence.

Fundamental to Churchward's
beliefs about the geological past, is his assertion that the Earth's
crust (the center is Hollow, he agreed) cooled by fusion from the
highest possible temperature.... slowly cooling over the millions of
years without a backstep. And no sudden mythical "ice age"
freezes! And then an "unfreeze." About an "ice
age," did the Sun temporarily abandon PART of Earth for
thousands of years? I say "PART" because Churchward, also a
world explorer, was with an expedition to northern Asia in the 1800s.
They found NO evidence of a glacier having existed anywhere in Asia
almost to the poles. Yet most of the north polar area was supposed to
be under thousands of feet - no, miles - of ice which lasted for
thousands of years. But not a trace on the Asian side. (Like a
movie set with an outdoor scene on the facing side only wooden struts
holding the illusion up)
. At the same latitudes as the "ice
cap" on our side, there was temperate weather. It is no wonder
university "professors" of his time, refused to debate him
and have his proof. reported. (Isn't that also happening today with
Lamprecht, Cater and others?)

A MAGNETIC CATACLYSM ABOUT 17,000 YEARS
BACK?

What Churchward and the expedition did
find was abundant evidence that when the glacier was supposed to have
existed, great waves of WATER WITHOUT ICE, poured north from the
Pacific, drowning all the land in their path, generally following the
Lena Valley depression (and creating LLAKOFF'S island just off shore
of the Lena river.)

As Churchward explained it, the Earth's
super-magnetized north polar area had LURCHED free of the Sun's
magnetic grip which had pulled it out of mean. The pole (and rest of
the globe) whipped away from the Sun but the loose waters continued
in the other direction. The great waves from the south picked up
(suddenly) the abundant animal life roaming the MOUNTAINLESS plains
and deposited them in bulk at Llakoff's island. While there was
supposed to have existed a FROZEN glacier, freezing cold over most of
the North and South, the mastodons and other animals at Llakoff, were
found with FRESH TEMPERATE VEGETABLE GROWTH in their mouths and
stomachs, just eaten on the plains from where they suddenly were
swept northward.

How could the plains of Northern Asia (and
the Gobi) have vast areas of TEMPERATE vegetation? (Please don't
someone say they came out of the Polar opening. In this case it is
not necessary) That the waters contained no ice is proven by the
intact, frozen condition of many of these animals. Had ice
accompanied the waves, they would (like animal and human life in
Canada and the upper United States) also have been ground to a pulp,
mixed with mud without trace as fertilizer.

The waves continued north, picking up
rocks and the accumulated ice at the north pole, joined the waves of
the Arctic down onto Canada (sweeping free all top soil down to the
bedrock) and plunged onto the United States (another part of it
sweeping down on parts of Northern Europe. ) The impetus of the waves
began to peter out to mostly water as far South as New Mexico. The
largest rocks (rounded to boulders, some hundreds of tons in size)
were first dropped on the plains. More ice and smaller boulders
dropped off later. Then lighter gravel and soil. (the "drift'
lines) In Churchward's imagination he pictured the (again
MOUNTAINLESS) plains of North America as one vast sea of MUD, for
thousands of miles, with here and there mounds of soil and large
boulders showing above the mud.

Later, when subterranean "gas
belts" formed, uplifting the land into mountains and mountain
ranges above them, the boulders on the plains (and those originating
further back up north), went up with them to where geologists find
them today. Churchward was convinced (from evidence in Asia) that the
"MAGNETIC CATACLYSM" causing the pole to "lurch,"
happened about 17,000 years back. At that time the UIGHER empire
occupied the then verdant Gobi. He wrote of a Russian explorer who
had dug 50 feet down under gravel in the Gobi desert and discovered
the Uigher capital city, KARA KOTA. He ran out of funds after that,
and unless he is listed in Russian archaeological history, his find
went unreported in the West. From the preceding (and more not
mentioned here), Churchward was convinced that the mythical ice age
is completely misunderstood. Instead of being an event that lasted
for thousands of years, it was a catastrophe lasting probably just
days.

WHY DID THE MONSTROUS DINOSAURS
VANISH?...

I've digressed from the fate of the
giant Dinosaurs, according to Churchward. As Earth's crustal
rocks continued to cool and the ground begin hardening more, the
SWAMPS (that were nearly everywhere) began to dry out, turn to
marshes with dry ridges on their edges.

The SWAMPS where the Dinosaurs lay
their eggs began to disappear. But most of all as Churchward
explained, the atmospheric temperatures dropped BELOW the optimum
temperature needed to hatch their eggs!

Reason? All life on Earth began as
SIMPLE organisms, vegetable and animal. There is a "LIFE"
Force, Churchward explained. It was a COMPOUND Force composed partly
of Earth's HEAT Force. The "Life" Force was decreed by the
Creator to BALANCE all the chemical parts and elements of life forms.
The Force HEAT played a great role and the amount of Life Force in
the atmosphere could be roughly determined by past temperatures on
Earth.

It may seem strange, but Churchward
said a SIMPLE organism needed a LARGE volume of Life Force to
"balance" its parts and put them into motion. Too much Life
Force and the organism would be over-powered and die. Too little Life
Force and the organism would also die, not enough power to some
parts, especially the GENERATIVE parts and fluids. The Dinosaurs (if
Churchward was correct) were already the "fag" end of
their line. The gradual lowering of Heat in the atmosphere (and thus
in the Life Force) was becoming insufficient to balance the simple
chemical elements in their bodies. Too little power to some parts,
too much to others resulting in the incredible (and often useless)
appendages found in late dinosaurs. They were chemically UNBALANCED,
on their way out as a species. But Churchward remarks, one scientist
he named, found that the Dinosaurs in warmer South America died out
much LATER than those further north.

That should put the juvenile theory that
an ASTEROID or METEOR struck off the coast of Mexico and its
"dust" or whatever, somehow circled the globe killing off
all the Dinosaurs (Their high heads got choked?)... along with (I've
read now) most of other life on Earth.

If such an impact did that so close to South America,
why didn't those South American Dinosaurs die off first - or at least
at the same time as the Dinosaurs in Europe and North America? But we
must not question orthodox "scientists" no matter how
stupid and unfounded are some of their theories and
conclusions.

Churchward points out that as the last of
the Dinosaurs (whose eggs wouldn't hatch) disappeared, they were
"suddenly" replaced by new life forms, the MAMMALS. Many
distinct species appeared, all about the size of small dogs... with
long toes like today's wading birds, because the marshes, now also
drying out, were being replaced by mostly soft, spongy
ground.

Chemically and in all their parts they
were MORE COMPLEX than the Dinosaurs and other simple creatures that
preceded them. A LESSER volume of Life Force (and contained Heat
Force) was needed to "balance" their parts into action
.
From that Eocene time, Churchward insisted, all present mammal
animal life forms were established, including the Eocene Horse,
chemically the same as today's horse. The only major change in
today's larger horse being, not "evolution" but
MODIFICATIONS only to its hooves to enable it to flee from its
pursuers over HARD GROUND. The soft ground on Earth's surface had
gradually dried out and hardened.

Your contention that the Earth has expanded
may or may not be based on fact. But I personally frown on the theory
that there are continental plates, slipping and sliding on
"magna" (or is it molten lead now?) miles thick bending
like plastic and disappearing into the earth at 45 degrees... then
new plates emerging elsewhere, again at 45 degree angles . (Those are
the detailed illustration in a book I have by Jastrow and Thompson.
Vertical "fault" cracks opened everywhere in the cooling
primary granite of early earth
. They are superficial, and though
they can be shifted around by the hot volcanic gases being moved
through gas belts 10 to 15 miles deep, they are not the cause of
earthquakes... or indicators of "plate tectonics." Just a
secondary effect.

I recall reading a scientific journal
space probes article over ten years back that said how surprised
scientists were because the space probes had found NO EVIDENCE of
tectonic plates elsewhere aside from earth. The writer expressed his
opinion that Earth may be very unique.

In my saved 1952 issue of LIFE magazine
(wish i could locate it)... they made many elaborate color
illustrations of the 1952 GEOPHYSICAL YEAR. The oceans were mapped
with radar. Even today we still hear some "scientists"
saying that plate movement is proved by "fitting together"
Africa, South America and America. They seem to FIT together is the
claim. But look at the ocean bottoms shown by the maps in that Life
magazine and you see that the SHAPE of the North Atlantic ridge on
either side, could also roughly fit around edges of the continents on
both sides! And for a fact, it has been established for many decades
that parts of the North Atlantic ridge were once above water for
extended periods of time! How could those continents split apart if
there was another hunk of solid real estate in the middle. Are there
any scientists still alive today who remember those Life magazine
maps about the Geophysical year? Apparently not.

Were any of you aware that as recent as the
1950s the theory of continental plates was being laughed at in many
leading universities? It was at the Univ of Washington when my wife
was a student there. That doesn't prove it was mistaken, but it was
doubted by some.

I really feel like a spoilsport having
brought up all the preceding. But unless you (or any reader) can
provide me with solid evidence to knock the pins out from under
Churchward's ideas, I remain skeptical about some of your basic
contentions that I read in Emails and websites. I look forward to
hearing from some more expert than myself to put reasonable doubt on
Churchward's assertions. I'm sure he must have errors somewhere in
his writing. (I've myself found a few I have doubts about) But in the
main the guy seems to me to have a better overall grasp about the
geology of the Earth than anyone I've yet read. And they have never
read his books.

  • Dick Fojut in Tucson

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Dick's Re to Mathew's Re
Dick Fojut,

You win the prize for the longest replys! - Let me do my best to answer your questions:

THERE IS NO FURTHER REDUCTION IN THE OUTSIDE

DIMENSIONS even after the rest of the inside mass cools and solidifies

This may be the case with small castings but a mass the size of a planet is very different. In porportion, the strength of gravity from the mass of a planet is much stronger than the structural strength of the matter that makes it up. For example, a rock has very little gravitational attraction but the structural strength of the rock is at a certain level. With a planet made up of the same rocks, it's structural strengeth is exactly the same level but it's gravity has increased to millions of times greater than one rock. When a planet gets big enough in size that its gravity exceeds the structural strength of the material making it up, then gravity from the planet is then able to shape itself. This is when a planet will become hollow and expand. A casting may not change in size after it has solidified but I planet can because it is much bigger in size and it has much more gravity.

DYNAMO, generating all of Earth's many (subtle) cold magnetic

>and electromagnetic Forces...

The Dynamo theory is not without complications.

  • Metals can only hold a magnetic alignment and thus a magnetic field if they are cooler than their melting point, once that point is exceeded magnitism cannot be contained. If the Earths centre is super hot then it is well above this point making magnetic field generation impossible.

  • Secondly even if a rotating metal core could create a magnetic field where does the force come from to keep the core in continual rotation? Surely if there is friction between the core and the mantle than any rotation would have stopped millions of years ago.

  • And thirdly, what would cause the core of a planet to innitially be rotating at a different speed to the rest of the planet in the first place?

  • lastly, If the centre of the planet is hollow and a magnetic field is generated from further out between the core and the mantle, how can the magnetic field originate from the centre of the Earth as it does?

  • The idea of a central sun seems to solve the magnetic field mystery better to me.

>What "evidence?" The fact that "new" molten volcanic matter is

>thrust up from the middle of the north Atlantic ridge? That's the

>example I've heard put forth time after time! "Drifting continents,"

>and "Plate Tectonics" are just currently "embraced" THEORIES

>by orthodoxy. Seems to me the evidence for either is still very thin>

>and subject to a lot of "wishful thinking." - Dick F.

There is too much evidence to list here, we go into great depth into all this evidence in our Expanding Earth chapter in out book. Some of the links I gave you to other books go into much more detail than we do, if you are serious then please check them out! :wink:

But I have doubts about how much less. 5%? 10%? More?

>Probably even 25% would not be enough.

I think judging by the bones of the great dinosaurs the reduction in gravity in the past was about one third (I don't have that information in front of me right now so I cannot be 100% sure)

>About the above... If theorized, but still unproved "continental

>movement" is NOT actually happening, all stated above is meaningless.

>Apparently "believers" picture the "plates" of the continents as

>being multi-mile thick, ULTRA FLEXIBLE "Plastic" judging by

>the illustrations in Jastrow and Thompson's "Astronomy:

>Fundamentals and Frontiers." Instead of solid rock, the continental

**>"plates" are shown flexibly BENDING and dipping UNDER each

other at 45% angles (without splitting or cracking apart) deep into**

>that molten plasma where they melt. Then new "plates" are shown

>emerging later. Quite an invention. Not meaning to be insulting,

**>**but isn't this belief that the continents beneath us (ignoring their

>stable support of massive and heavy mountain ranges) are really

>just fragile, thin "sheets" floating helplessly on top of a "lake"

>of lava. You believe that? - Dick F.

I am a believer in Earth expansion so I do not agree with Plate techtonics subduction theories. The idea of new crust forming at spreading sites is sound because there is a wealth of evidence to support it, but the idea of subduction where one plate disapears at 45 degrees beneath another to be destroyed is in my opinion pure speculation with no supporting evidence.

The Himiaayas have range after range jutting out from the main

>ranges at different angles. No purely "Horizontal" pressure can

>achieve that.

I disagree there. Horizontal compression within the surface of the continental crust can be logicaly explained by the crust flatening out due to the decreasing surface curviture on an expanding Earth. The larger the continental landmass the greater the horizontal compression. It is no coincidence that the Himialayas are found on the largest continental landmass on Earth. This is where the greateest horizontal compression would be produced.

>Starting with the BIRTH OF THE EARTH from a nebula of

>super hot gases...

I believe the Earth would naturaly form a hollow if it was born from moltan beginings or from cold beginings. I think the secret to Earths formation is with gravity and compression not only with molten material cooling.

>DEPTHS OF OUR OCEANS...
>Again... The depths of our oceans and seas came from ancient

>blowouts of such chambers. The deepest parts came from blowouts

>of a series of chambers one under the other. Look at the edges of

>the continents. At many the sides drop off vertically to great depths,

>as if a cookie cutter had formed them. They look that way because

**>**the volcanically blown out 'roof" over a large chamber collapsed

>straight down to the chamber floor. Collapse the roof on a house

**>**and you see the same effect. The walls stand (edge of continent),

>the roof has fallen. The IRISH WALL is an example of this. A deep

>cliff. How does Geology explain this? They don't. It can only be

>logically understood if one grasps the events that Churchward has

>described.

Again I dissagree here. If this were the case then the structure and composition of the oceanic crust would be the same as continental crust but this is definately not the case! The continental crust is almost entirely made up of sedimentary rock and the oceanic crust is almost entirely volcanic rock. So much so that both crusts have definately been formed by two completely different processes. Both Plate techtonic scientists and Expanding Earth scientists agree on this point. The age of the two different crusts are completely different too. The continents are as much as 3800 million years old and the oldest known oceanic crust is only 200 million years old!

This idea of the ocean basins forming by collapsing areas of crust is definately not the answer.

Again, all of our ideas behind Earth expansion and the drifting continents are explained in great detail in our book. We also have 82 diagrams in total to help show visually exactly what we mean.

Well Dick Fojut, this email has been a mountain of work, I feel like I have just written another book!!!

Matthew Taylor

http://www.tlonh.com

Dick's Re to Mathew's Re
Matthew and Dick,

Allow to to introduceMr. Cater's explanation of the Earth's magnetic field. In his book he establishes the idea of an electrmagnetic radiation existing beneath the Earth's crust, and that the atmosphere is charged, too. The magnetic field gets generated in the same way as a spinnin solenoid generates one. His comments are attached, just two or three paragraphs.

Later,

Dharma/Dean

···

** DYNAMO, generating all of Earth's many (subtle) cold magnetic**

>and electromagnetic Forces...

The Dynamo theory is not without complications.

  • Metals can only hold a magnetic alignment and thus a magnetic field if they are cooler than their melting point, once that point is exceeded magnitism cannot be contained. If the Earths centre is super hot then it is well above this point making magnetic field generation impossible.
  • Secondly even if a rotating metal core could create a magnetic field where does the force come from to keep the core in continual rotation? Surely if there is friction between the core and the mantle than any rotation would have stopped millions of years ago.
  • And thirdly, what would cause the core of a planet to innitially be rotating at a different speed to the rest of the planet in the first place?
  • lastly, If the centre of the planet is hollow and a magnetic field is generated from further out between the core and the mantle, how can the magnetic field originate from the centre of the Earth as it does?
  • The idea of a central sun seems to solve the magnetic field mystery better to me.

"UFO's and the Complete Evidence from Space" was an eye opener for me when I read it one year ago. The book is in a sense built around George Adamski and his claims after being in contact with aliens. He claim that Adamski was right and that NASA has done their best covering the facts up by giving an impression of a lifeless and boring solar system. Ross deals with how NASA accomplished this. He deals with the artificial color of Mars pictures, the impossibility of the claimed high pressure on Venus, atmosphere on the moon, greater moon gravity then claimed and a lot of other interesting details.

I will say that it is an optimistic book. Before I read the book I was sure that space visitors where friendly contrary to many other claims that circulate today. And after reading the book I got my belief confirmed. We are surrounded by an universal civilization that are waiting for us to wake up to our true nature. They know that there is no point in interfering or directly help us since each and every one of us have to make the choice of seeing through the illusion that is the result of our own creation. I personally recommend the book.

Frode

Blake,

You once mentioned that in the pictures which you had seen of the North
Pole, it always seemed as if there was foreshortening, that the horizon came
up close.

Can you put your fingers on any good pics? Maybe ones unencumbered by
copyrights?

Dean