Just a hypothesis or two

[Thomas_K]

I think that the mathematics of the gravitation inside a hollow sphere would prove, not zero G as Newton estimated, but a straightforward two-body problem for any two points diametrically opposite. I'm going to have to spend a day some time trying to work that out.

I think that the Earth cannot help but grow like a geode. It would have been hollow inside in the first place. The original incandescent gases would not be attracted strongly to the center. A sphere would form with a hollow inside. More than one force would be at work. If the first hypothesis is true, the hollow sphere would attract material. Also, the outside will cool and condense faster than the inside. That makes the spherical shell denser, more massive, and its gravity will attract material from the inside.

The molten material in the shell forms crystals. Those crystals push at each other as they form and create hollow spaces. This makes them bulkier than the original melt. Then various forces bring more material in and melt it again, and form more hollows like lava tubes. Frothing gases make their contributions.

If there is a concentric sun, that's a big riddle. Would some type of small singularity tend to hover in the center rather than consume the planet? Would it manufacture elements such as iron, sulfur, uranium, and so on? Could such a singularity have been the "seed" of the planet inside a gas giant? Could a combination of its magnetic field and something like an "L0 point" keep it centered? I don't know how fine-tuned its emissions would have to be to keep the inner surface of the Earth at a constant temperature, but the water cycle works like a natural thermostat and moves tremendous amounts of heat energy.

You could also see a singularity as something that can gather material from the inside of a gas giant and then punch through the superconducting metallic hydrogen shell.

Hollow planets would be ideal for protecting life from supernovae in nearby star systems. I'm not too sure the Earth's surface didn't get waxed pretty good by a supernova a few thousand years ago. You can still see the iron trickling down through the soil along the highway, from clouds of iron that might have been traveling three percent of the speed of light. Did the Earth lose a significant part of its atmosphere a few thousand years ago while Mars lost pretty much all of theirs?

[Kathy]

While I can understand that hollow planets certainly would protect inner
life... your other comments don't make any sense.

"iron trickling down through the soil along the highway" What's this?
"clouds of iron" How do you back up your claim?

Kathy

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On 6/14/2012 10:03 PM, Thomas K wrote:

Hollow planets would be ideal for protecting life from supernovae in
nearby star systems. I'm not too sure the Earth's surface didn't get
waxed pretty good by a supernova a few thousand years ago. You can
still see the iron trickling down through the soil along the highway,
from clouds of iron that might have been traveling three percent of
the speed of light. Did the Earth lose a significant part of its
atmosphere a few thousand years ago while Mars lost pretty much all of
theirs?

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[Thomas_K]

When you drive down some of the big highways around Kansas City, sometimes you can see where the soil was cut away at the sides of the road. There is soil that is very read from red iron oxide. It sits on top of more normal greyish soil, so you can see that the red iron oxide is a more recent addition. I'm not going to try to get too technical about just when that might have been since I don't know if a lot of soil was scraped off the top or what. It looks like a lot of iron powder rained down, rusted, and is filtering down when it rains.

Mars would be pelted with iron also. Mars has water ice, carbon dioxide, rain, and more exposure to sunlight than the surface of the Earth does because it has almost no atmosphere, so the iron would rust. Iron on the surface of the moon would be black because it doesn't rust. If it came in at thousands of kilometers per second it would have had no atmosphere to slow it down.

Supernovae blow off clouds of iron. Here is a reference to a reasonably credible article that says that those clouds of iron might have killed off the mammoths: http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/NSD-mammoth-extinction.html or http://tinyurl.com/7feh49c

If there actually was an impact against the Earth that could do that thing, it would have damaged the Earth's atmosphere. Mars is much smaller and its atmosphere is much smaller, so what hurts Earth's atmosphere might utterly strip Mars's atmosphere.

Clouds of iron are established mainstream science. So is the impact if they actually do sail into a planet at a few percent of the speed of light. It's like trillions of relativistic bomblets, a hundred times less pop per pound than at thirty or forty percent of the speed of light, but a microgram will still leave a nice pockmark on your windshield if not a hole. A milligram would hit like an explosive bullet.

If the iron still had a velocity of 10,000 kilometers per second when it struck the mammoths, then it had to have done nasty things to the atmosphere on the way through. Although the article comes from credible high-end sources, it's best to be a bit skeptical about some of the details. Iron getting into the soil from the sky a few thousand years ago, that's easy.

It's not all that hard to see relativistic iron particles making it through because cosmic rays make it through and they move at nearly the speed of light. A lot more make it through at airplane heights.

I don't have time to do the gravitation in hollow earth thing right now.

I read somewhere that supernovae may have killed off many developing worlds. It may be true that there are subterranean civilizations that wrote off the surface a long time ago. Or the Earth may be hollow. Maybe the "genetic Eve" extinction event was a supernova. It would be a more likely cause of comprehensive extinction of humanity than a supervolcano.

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--- In [email protected], Kathy <getnews1@...> wrote:

While I can understand that hollow planets certainly would protect inner
life... your other comments don't make any sense.

"iron trickling down through the soil along the highway" What's this?
"clouds of iron" How do you back up your claim?

Kathy

On 6/14/2012 10:03 PM, Thomas K wrote:
>
>
> Hollow planets would be ideal for protecting life from supernovae in
> nearby star systems. I'm not too sure the Earth's surface didn't get
> waxed pretty good by a supernova a few thousand years ago. You can
> still see the iron trickling down through the soil along the highway,
> from clouds of iron that might have been traveling three percent of
> the speed of light. Did the Earth lose a significant part of its
> atmosphere a few thousand years ago while Mars lost pretty much all of
> theirs?
>
>

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[Light_OMilkyway]

Maybe, gravity can be induced by a collective mind (or collective minds). Maybe, we the people as a whole are causing the surface gravity.

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From: Thomas K <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Just a hypothesis or two
  

When you drive down some of the big highways around Kansas City, sometimes you can see where the soil was cut away at the sides of the road. There is soil that is very read from red iron oxide. It sits on top of more normal greyish soil, so you can see that the red iron oxide is a more recent addition. I'm not going to try to get too technical about just when that might have been since I don't know if a lot of soil was scraped off the top or what. It looks like a lot of iron powder rained down, rusted, and is filtering down when it rains.

Mars would be pelted with iron also. Mars has water ice, carbon dioxide, rain, and more exposure to sunlight than the surface of the Earth does because it has almost no atmosphere, so the iron would rust. Iron on the surface of the moon would be black because it doesn't rust. If it came in at thousands of kilometers per second it would have had no atmosphere to slow it down.

Supernovae blow off clouds of iron. Here is a reference to a reasonably credible article that says that those clouds of iron might have killed off the mammoths: http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/NSD-mammoth-extinction.html or http://tinyurl.com/7feh49c

If there actually was an impact against the Earth that could do that thing, it would have damaged the Earth's atmosphere. Mars is much smaller and its atmosphere is much smaller, so what hurts Earth's atmosphere might utterly strip Mars's atmosphere.

Clouds of iron are established mainstream science. So is the impact if they actually do sail into a planet at a few percent of the speed of light. It's like trillions of relativistic bomblets, a hundred times less pop per pound than at thirty or forty percent of the speed of light, but a microgram will still leave a nice pockmark on your windshield if not a hole. A milligram would hit like an explosive bullet.

If the iron still had a velocity of 10,000 kilometers per second when it struck the mammoths, then it had to have done nasty things to the atmosphere on the way through. Although the article comes from credible high-end sources, it's best to be a bit skeptical about some of the details. Iron getting into the soil from the sky a few thousand years ago, that's easy.

It's not all that hard to see relativistic iron particles making it through because cosmic rays make it through and they move at nearly the speed of light. A lot more make it through at airplane heights.

I don't have time to do the gravitation in hollow earth thing right now.

I read somewhere that supernovae may have killed off many developing worlds. It may be true that there are subterranean civilizations that wrote off the surface a long time ago. Or the Earth may be hollow. Maybe the "genetic Eve" extinction event was a supernova. It would be a more likely cause of comprehensive extinction of humanity than a supervolcano.

--- In mailto:allplanets-hollow%40yahoogroups.com, Kathy <getnews1@...> wrote:

While I can understand that hollow planets certainly would protect inner
life... your other comments don't make any sense.

"iron trickling down through the soil along the highway" What's this?
"clouds of iron" How do you back up your claim?

Kathy

On 6/14/2012 10:03 PM, Thomas K wrote:
>
>
> Hollow planets would be ideal for protecting life from supernovae in
> nearby star systems. I'm not too sure the Earth's surface didn't get
> waxed pretty good by a supernova a few thousand years ago. You can
> still see the iron trickling down through the soil along the highway,
> from clouds of iron that might have been traveling three percent of
> the speed of light. Did the Earth lose a significant part of its
> atmosphere a few thousand years ago while Mars lost pretty much all of
> theirs?
>
>

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[Kathy]

Very nicely explained. Thank you Thomas!

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On 6/16/2012 11:33 AM, Thomas K wrote:

When you drive down some of the big highways around Kansas City,
sometimes you can see where the soil was cut away at the sides of the
road. There is soil that is very read from red iron oxide. It sits on
top of more normal greyish soil, so you can see that the red iron
oxide is a more recent addition. I'm not going to try to get too
technical about just when that might have been since I don't know if a
lot of soil was scraped off the top or what. It looks like a lot of
iron powder rained down, rusted, and is filtering down when it rains.

Mars would be pelted with iron also. Mars has water ice, carbon
dioxide, rain, and more exposure to sunlight than the surface of the
Earth does because it has almost no atmosphere, so the iron would
rust. Iron on the surface of the moon would be black because it
doesn't rust. If it came in at thousands of kilometers per second it
would have had no atmosphere to slow it down.

Supernovae blow off clouds of iron. Here is a reference to a
reasonably credible article that says that those clouds of iron might
have killed off the mammoths:
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/NSD-mammoth-extinction.html or
http://tinyurl.com/7feh49c

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[Kathy]

Thomas, I've tried to do a little more research, and couldn't come up
with anything that shows that "Clouds of iron are established mainstream
science". The only article was the one mammoth article from Berkeley,
and it was in 2005. They mention mammoth tusks being peppered with
tiny impact craters, but I see no scientific peer group agreeing that it
could be from a Supernovae. Seems it could be from an asteroid or
comet, I don't think they have enough proof to know.

And if there were very small particles of iron traveling at high speed,
wouldn't when they hit the earths atmosphere spark and burn just like
the sparks from the grinding wheel? It's speculation that they would be
like a sand blasting machine, killing every thing.

Seems like they would just be bright streaks in the sky.

Additionally, a "cloud" would be in a sphere ejected out ward from the
Supernovae, and due to the radius/distance from the collapsing star to
earth measured in light years the surface area of the dissipating cloud
would be huge, and the density very little. Which would support a
different theory of source more local, like an asteroid or comet.
Kathy

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On 6/16/2012 11:33 AM, Thomas K wrote:

When you drive down some of the big highways around Kansas City,
sometimes you can see where the soil was cut away at the sides of the
road. There is soil that is very read from red iron oxide. It sits on
top of more normal greyish soil, so you can see that the red iron
oxide is a more recent addition. I'm not going to try to get too
technical about just when that might have been since I don't know if a
lot of soil was scraped off the top or what. It looks like a lot of
iron powder rained down, rusted, and is filtering down when it rains.

Mars would be pelted with iron also. Mars has water ice, carbon
dioxide, rain, and more exposure to sunlight than the surface of the
Earth does because it has almost no atmosphere, so the iron would
rust. Iron on the surface of the moon would be black because it
doesn't rust. If it came in at thousands of kilometers per second it
would have had no atmosphere to slow it down.

Supernovae blow off clouds of iron. Here is a reference to a
reasonably credible article that says that those clouds of iron might
have killed off the mammoths:
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/NSD-mammoth-extinction.html or
http://tinyurl.com/7feh49c

If there actually was an impact against the Earth that could do that
thing, it would have damaged the Earth's atmosphere. Mars is much
smaller and its atmosphere is much smaller, so what hurts Earth's
atmosphere might utterly strip Mars's atmosphere.

Clouds of iron are established mainstream science. So is the impact if
they actually do sail into a planet at a few percent of the speed of
light. It's like trillions of relativistic bomblets, a hundred times
less pop per pound than at thirty or forty percent of the speed of
light, but a microgram will still leave a nice pockmark on your
windshield if not a hole. A milligram would hit like an explosive bullet.

If the iron still had a velocity of 10,000 kilometers per second when
it struck the mammoths, then it had to have done nasty things to the
atmosphere on the way through. Although the article comes from
credible high-end sources, it's best to be a bit skeptical about some
of the details. Iron getting into the soil from the sky a few thousand
years ago, that's easy.

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[Selaasie_Hiadzi]

I read elsewhere that some millions of pins placed experimentally into the atmosphere by some of our scientists was removed by some extra terrestrials, because of the danger it posed to US.

Until We turn Our Base Metals to Gold, We shall continue to remain Earth-Bound!

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From: Kathy <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 19:08
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Just a hypothesis or two - Clouds of Iron?
  

Thomas, I've tried to do a little more research, and couldn't come up
with anything that shows that "Clouds of iron are established mainstream
science". The only article was the one mammoth article from Berkeley,
and it was in 2005. They mention mammoth tusks being peppered with
tiny impact craters, but I see no scientific peer group agreeing that it
could be from a Supernovae. Seems it could be from an asteroid or
comet, I don't think they have enough proof to know.

And if there were very small particles of iron traveling at high speed,
wouldn't when they hit the earths atmosphere spark and burn just like
the sparks from the grinding wheel? It's speculation that they would be
like a sand blasting machine, killing every thing.

Seems like they would just be bright streaks in the sky.

Additionally, a "cloud" would be in a sphere ejected out ward from the
Supernovae, and due to the radius/distance from the collapsing star to
earth measured in light years the surface area of the dissipating cloud
would be huge, and the density very little. Which would support a
different theory of source more local, like an asteroid or comet.
Kathy

On 6/16/2012 11:33 AM, Thomas K wrote:

When you drive down some of the big highways around Kansas City,
sometimes you can see where the soil was cut away at the sides of the
road. There is soil that is very read from red iron oxide. It sits on
top of more normal greyish soil, so you can see that the red iron
oxide is a more recent addition. I'm not going to try to get too
technical about just when that might have been since I don't know if a
lot of soil was scraped off the top or what. It looks like a lot of
iron powder rained down, rusted, and is filtering down when it rains.

Mars would be pelted with iron also. Mars has water ice, carbon
dioxide, rain, and more exposure to sunlight than the surface of the
Earth does because it has almost no atmosphere, so the iron would
rust. Iron on the surface of the moon would be black because it
doesn't rust. If it came in at thousands of kilometers per second it
would have had no atmosphere to slow it down.

Supernovae blow off clouds of iron. Here is a reference to a
reasonably credible article that says that those clouds of iron might
have killed off the mammoths:
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/NSD-mammoth-extinction.html or
http://tinyurl.com/7feh49c

If there actually was an impact against the Earth that could do that
thing, it would have damaged the Earth's atmosphere. Mars is much
smaller and its atmosphere is much smaller, so what hurts Earth's
atmosphere might utterly strip Mars's atmosphere.

Clouds of iron are established mainstream science. So is the impact if
they actually do sail into a planet at a few percent of the speed of
light. It's like trillions of relativistic bomblets, a hundred times
less pop per pound than at thirty or forty percent of the speed of
light, but a microgram will still leave a nice pockmark on your
windshield if not a hole. A milligram would hit like an explosive bullet.

If the iron still had a velocity of 10,000 kilometers per second when
it struck the mammoths, then it had to have done nasty things to the
atmosphere on the way through. Although the article comes from
credible high-end sources, it's best to be a bit skeptical about some
of the details. Iron getting into the soil from the sky a few thousand
years ago, that's easy.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Thomas_K]

Clouds of iron are a bit obvious because a lot of supernovas are from very iron-rich stars. They are mentioned in several places. Here are a couple: http://www2.astro.psu.edu/xray/snr/snr.html and http://cosmology.net/Cosmology3.html

If the mammoth tusks actually were peppered with projectiles traveling at that speed, 10,000 kilometers per second is a lot more consistent with a supernova than it is with anything else. A more typical speed for an asteroid impact is very roughly 20 kps.

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--- In [email protected], Kathy <getnews1@...> wrote:

Thomas, I've tried to do a little more research, and couldn't come up
with anything that shows that "Clouds of iron are established mainstream
science". The only article was the one mammoth article from Berkeley,
and it was in 2005. They mention mammoth tusks being peppered with
tiny impact craters, but I see no scientific peer group agreeing that it
could be from a Supernovae. Seems it could be from an asteroid or
comet, I don't think they have enough proof to know.

And if there were very small particles of iron traveling at high speed,
wouldn't when they hit the earths atmosphere spark and burn just like
the sparks from the grinding wheel? It's speculation that they would be
like a sand blasting machine, killing every thing.

Seems like they would just be bright streaks in the sky.

Additionally, a "cloud" would be in a sphere ejected out ward from the
Supernovae, and due to the radius/distance from the collapsing star to
earth measured in light years the surface area of the dissipating cloud
would be huge, and the density very little. Which would support a
different theory of source more local, like an asteroid or comet.
Kathy