Info from Donna Higbee

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Members,

This is a note I received from Donna Higtbee, who is a counsellor for people
who experience abductions. She has a sensible and genuine site at:

Go there, and click on her e-mail adress, and tell her what you think about
her presentation. Let her know that Dean sent you.

DD

Hi Dean,

Thanks for referring my site to another group. Abductions are still
happening, seemingly in large numbers. What they are discovering now is

that

even newborn babies in hospitals are being taken and then returned. I
recently heard a lecture by Budd Hopkins here in Santa Barbara, where he
discussed this new finding. I guess these aliens believe in starting

young.

How can a person possibly fight against this when it starts so early in

their

life? I am so thankful that I am not one of the people who have

experienced

this.

HSII (human invisibility) is still occurring and is being talked about a
little more openly now. My mother heard an Art Bell show a couple of

months

ago and the show was talking about people being there one moment and gone

the

next (not that they are gone .... they are just unseen ..... they are very
much still there).

So things keep moving along. It was nice of you to say hi. These are

both

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fascinating fields of study.

Best regards,
Donna Higbee

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Real Mars, Hollow Mars

http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars

Members,

Most of this stuff was on my other mammoth site. Something new is the "
canals on Mars " at the top tier.

The Triuth on Hollow Mars contains good points which hollow Earthers should
assimilate. And get some background, read Gardner's comments on Mars.

DD

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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mars
Dean... Excellent pages on Mars! (Rest of your new site also
looks great.).

About Mars' COLORS; just a
reminder that VINCE DiPIETRO has long claimed that NASA has been
doctoring the colors from Mars. Not everything RED as they have
wanted us to believe. DiPietro's equipment (from the same data they
received from Mars) showed BLUE skies.. and water geysers (same or
different than those you show?)

Also, remember a few years back when
(at least) one TV Network (for a few minutes for one evening only)
showed a NASA probe dropping BELOW Jupiter's top layer of thick WHITE
clouds, showing a 2nd layer of thick WHITE clouds below? The immense
"sky" space between the cloud layers that the probe was
photographing was as BLUE as a clear summer day sky on our
earth! I never saw that clip repeated on network TV.
Was the initial broadcast a goof up by NASA?

Laura Lee had Vince on her radio program
the following Saturday, applauding him for finally being vindicated
and proved correct about Jupiter. That was the only applause
unfortunately. I haven't read any of Vince's material, but
apparently, for a long time, he had been making similar claims about
Jupiter as he had about the REAL colors on Mars. Just mentioning the
above if you were not aware of what he has said about both
planets.

Also Churchward (again) claimed our
Sun is not a gas ball. A double layer of clouds in its
specialized atmosphere, encloses the Sun's much smaller diameter
body. But the atmospheric space between the Sun's body and the double
layer of clouds is filled with ultra dark rays, hiding her body from
sight. When the ultra dark rays reach the upper parts of the
specialized atmosphere, they filter out into the light visible rays
and flashings (they're not "flames") that we can see on
earth.

Recall that Churchward asserted that
a GAS BALL (a nebula), lacking a hard crust and soft under-layer
(forming a Friction line), cannot possibly generate controlling
magnetic and centrifugal forces, as does both Jupiter and our
Sun. A ball of gas cannot hold a perfect spherical shape, rotate on
an axis and be held in a precise orbit around its ruling Sun. And a
ball of gas will not have POLES that oscillate back and forth in
response to magnetic forces from its ruling Sun.

Thus Jupiter and our Sun cannot be
gas balls. They must have relatively cool, solid outer crusts.
And I would also add, HOLLOW centers similar to Earth, Venus and
Mars, in my opinion.

Similarly our Sun's controlling
Sun, causing our Sun to rotate on an axis, its poles to
oscillate, while holding it in a precise orbit, at an enormous
distance...is also generating even more powerful magnetic and
centrifugal forces.

According to Churchward wearing his
"astronomy" hat, that controlling Sun too, must be similarly
constructed with a relatively cool, hard crust, a molten layer, a
Friction line (and also a HOLLOW center). And so too probably, ALL
other rotating Suns and bodies in the universe. - Dick
Fojut

···

Real Mars, Hollow Mars
http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars

Members,

Most of this stuff was on my other mammoth site. Something new is the
"

canals on Mars " at the top tier.

The Triuth on Hollow Mars contains good points which hollow Earthers
should

assimilate. And get some background, read Gardner's comments on
Mars.

DD

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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

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To: Members

From: Dharma/Dean

Re: My brief answers to Dick

Dean... Excellent pages on Mars! (Rest of your new site also looks great.).

About Mars' COLORS; just a reminder that VINCE DiPIETRO has long claimed that NASA has been doctoring the colors from Mars. Not everything RED as they have wanted us to believe. DiPietro's equipment (from the same data they received from Mars) showed BLUE skies.. and water geysers (same or different than those you show?)

  • Dick-
  • Yeah, Daniel Ross feels the same way. He believes that the red light on Mars is from the upper atmosphere and refers to the light on its way back out. Near the surface, he feels that the light is not reddish like that, and that certainly the ground is not red. He offers some very good explanations in his book

SNIP

** Also Churchward (again) claimed our Sun is not a gas ball** . A double layer of clouds in its specialized atmosphere, encloses the Sun's much smaller diameter body. But the atmospheric space between the Sun's body and the double layer of clouds is filled with ultra dark rays, hiding her body from sight. When the ultra dark rays reach the upper parts of the specialized atmosphere, they filter out into the light visible rays and flashings (they're not "flames") that we can see on earth.

** Recall that Churchward asserted that a GAS BALL (a nebula)** , lacking a hard crust and soft under-layer (forming a Friction line), ** cannot possibly generate controlling magnetic and centrifugal forces** , as does both Jupiter and our Sun. A ball of gas cannot hold a perfect spherical shape, rotate on an axis and be held in a precise orbit around its ruling Sun. And a ball of gas will not have POLES that oscillate back and forth in response to magnetic forces from its ruling Sun.

** Thus Jupiter and our Sun cannot be gas balls** . They must have relatively cool, solid outer crusts. And I would also add, HOLLOW centers similar to Earth, Venus and Mars, in my opinion.

  • Dick-

Churchward wrote before the nature of plasma was understood. A plasmacan perform the feats which you have denied, rightly so, to a gaseous Sun:

“ How does the Sun shine? The Victorians believed the Sun was a burning ball of coal. In the atomic era it is thought to be nuclear furnace. Each age reflects its own successful power power source and attributes it to the radiating phenomena in the heavens.

... it is important to consider the rudiments of plasma behavior. It was not long ago that physics classified matter into only three states: solid, liquid and gas. Fairly recently (1960's) was it realized that a gas heated to a very high temperature does not obey the law of gasess; it displays a nature unique to its own nature. So different is this state from a regular gas that it has been classified as a fourth state of matter: a plasma. Because all stars consist of this super-hot gas, a large portion of the known universe exists in a plasma state, a condition of matter that scientists have only recently begun to understand.

Put simply, plasma is a super-hot gas in which electrons are stripped away from protons. When placed in the vicinity of a magnetic field, particles of like polarity interact with, and reinforce the field. The magnetic force is 1 X 10 to the 39 times stronger than the original gravitational force. The observation that plasmas align and reinforce magnetic fields is at odds with the fusion/core theories which rest on the assumption that the mutual gravitational attraction of the Sun's individual atoms override all other acting forces. However, the Sun consists of super hot gas, a plasma. If the Sun's plasma particles mutually interact within a unifying magnetic field, then it is the Sun's magnetic field and its associated particles that dominate, not the gravitational contraction of the Sun's mass.

It occurs to me that the disparity between plasma behavior and the gravitational solar core theory is understandable; the fusion/core models originated before the nature of plasma configurations were understood.

Fusion/core reasoning was founded on classical gravitational arguments. This reasoning would not apply in a plasma universe.”

  • Frode has a much better grasp than I do on the nature of plasma in this regard.

Similarly our Sun's controlling Sun , causing our Sun to rotate on an axis, its poles to oscillate, while holding it in a precise orbit, at an enormous distance...is also generating even more powerful magnetic and centrifugal forces.

According to Churchward wearing his "astronomy" hat, that controlling Sun too, must be similarly constructed with a relatively cool, hard crust, a molten layer, a Friction line (and also a HOLLOW center). And so too probably, ALL other rotating Suns and bodies in the universe. - Dick Fojut

  • Our Sun's controlling sun? I accept this. Cater states that our sun is a binary. The other one, smaller, is always behind the one which we see. This may seem crazy, but notice that the Moon always shows us the same face. Its orbit has some kind of synchronicity, it's astounding. Nothing can explain it, it is not by chance that this happens. Our Earth's orbit is adjusted by the Moon such that it keeps us always opposite the second sun. This is just natural- if it weren't for the Moon, our Earth would have a different speed and orbital path, and would move ahead or fall behind and come within view of the second sun. If it weren't for a second sun, Mars would never warm up enough to have any polar ice cap melting, the planet would stay below freezing.
  • I've been telling you all to read cater, give him a chance, hear him out.

Dharma/Dean

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DD, You may have read this before, but it's rather poignant;

Excerpt of A Flight to the Land Beyond the North Pole:
"I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral." I see a man with delicate
features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long
table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he
places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and
conveys the following. "We have let you enter here because you are of noble
character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral."
"Surface World," I half-gasp under my breath! "Yes," the Master replies with
a smile, "you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the
Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted
back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now. Admiral, I shall
tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just
after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the
'Flugelrads,' to your surface world to investigate what your race had done.
"That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue
on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and
barbarity, but now we must, for you have leamed to tamper with a certain
power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries
have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do
not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does
exist. You see, our culture and science is many thousands of years beyond
your race, Admiral." I interrupted, "But what does this have to do with me,
Sir?"
The master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after
studying me for a few moments he replied, "Your race has now reached the
point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your
very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it..."
I nodded, and the Master continued. "In 1945 and afterward, we tried to
contact I your race, but our efforts were met with hostility. Our Flugelrads
were fired upon, yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter
planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in
your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There
will be no answer in your armies, there will be no safety in your science.
It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled and all human
things are leveled in vast chaos.
"Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We
here see it more clearly with each hour...do you say I am mistaken?"
"No," I answer," it happened once before, the Dark Ages came and they lasted
for more than five hundred years." "Yes, my son," replied the Master, "the
Dark Ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall,
but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond
that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the
ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will
be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come
forward again to help revive your culture and your race.
"Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its
strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be
returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the
Surface World with this message..."
With those closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment
as in a dream...but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange
reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know
which.
Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me
here were again at my side. "This way, Admiral," motioned one. I turned once
more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was
etched on his delicate ancient face. "Farewell, my son," he spoke, then he
gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was
truly ended.

Hazel

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

Real Mars, Hollow Mars

http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars

Members,

Most of this stuff was on my other mammoth site. Something new is the "
canals on Mars " at the top tier.

The Triuth on Hollow Mars contains good points which hollow Earthers

should

assimilate. And get some background, read Gardner's comments on Mars.

DD

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Dean, Very interesting account and excellent picture, confirming an entrance
to the Martian interior.

He speaks of the brilliant light of the polar caps- a light more brilliant
than that of the other surfaces which are supposed to be covered with ice.
Then comes his description of the beam of light which we hold to come direct
from the central sun of Mars:

Mars, like Earth and Venus, must be inhabited, and probably by the same
race...'human race!' We are not alone. Hazel.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

Real Mars, Hollow Mars

http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars

Members,

Most of this stuff was on my other mammoth site. Something new is the "
canals on Mars " at the top tier.

The Triuth on Hollow Mars contains good points which hollow Earthers

should

assimilate. And get some background, read Gardner's comments on Mars.

DD

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Dean, Very interesting account and excellent picture, confirming an

entrance

to the Martian interior.

He speaks of the brilliant light of the polar caps- a light more brilliant
than that of the other surfaces which are supposed to be covered with ice.
Then comes his description of the beam of light which we hold to come

direct

from the central sun of Mars:

Hazel,

If not the central sun, then the beam can just be a matter of soft particles
from the martian atmosphere spouting out of the inner opening through the
crevices at the Martian polar depression. Soft paticles break up into
visible light because they are composed of, in the ultimate issue, photons.
Something similar happens when our aurora occurs, but again, it can be a
matter of a soft particle build up in the cavity- not necessarily shining
from the inner sun. This is how Cater presents it.

DD

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Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

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Hazel (from Dick).... I never read it before. Where did it come from?
- Dick

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DD, You may have read this before, but it's rather poignant;

Excerpt of A Flight to the Land Beyond the North Pole:
"I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral." I see a man with delicate
features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long
table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he
places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and
conveys the following. "We have let you enter here because you are of noble
character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral."
"Surface World," I half-gasp under my breath! "Yes," the Master replies with
a smile, "you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the
Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted
back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now. Admiral, I shall
tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just
after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the
'Flugelrads,' to your surface world to investigate what your race had done.
"That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue
on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and
barbarity, but now we must, for you have leamed to tamper with a certain
power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries
have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do
not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does
exist. You see, our culture and science is many thousands of years beyond
your race, Admiral." I interrupted, "But what does this have to do with me,
Sir?"
The master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after
studying me for a few moments he replied, "Your race has now reached the
point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your
very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it..."
I nodded, and the Master continued. "In 1945 and afterward, we tried to
contact I your race, but our efforts were met with hostility. Our Flugelrads
were fired upon, yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter
planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in
your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There
will be no answer in your armies, there will be no safety in your science.
It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled and all human
things are leveled in vast chaos.
"Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We
here see it more clearly with each hour...do you say I am mistaken?"
"No," I answer," it happened once before, the Dark Ages came and they lasted
for more than five hundred years." "Yes, my son," replied the Master, "the
Dark Ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall,
but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond
that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the
ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will
be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come
forward again to help revive your culture and your race.
"Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its
strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be
returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the
Surface World with this message..."
With those closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment
as in a dream...but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange
reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know
which.
Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me
here were again at my side. "This way, Admiral," motioned one. I turned once
more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was
etched on his delicate ancient face. "Farewell, my son," he spoke, then he
gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was
truly ended.

Hazel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

Real Mars, Hollow Mars

http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars

Members,

Most of this stuff was on my other mammoth site. Something new is the "
canals on Mars " at the top tier.

The Triuth on Hollow Mars contains good points which hollow Earthers

should

assimilate. And get some background, read Gardner's comments on Mars.

DD

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Dick, Somewhere in here; Spirit Web - Experience Your Soul I'm
sure you can navigate your way to it. Hazel

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Fojut" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

Hazel (from Dick).... I never read it before. Where did it come from?
- Dick
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>DD, You may have read this before, but it's rather poignant;
>
>Excerpt of A Flight to the Land Beyond the North Pole:
>"I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral." I see a man with delicate
>features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a

long

>table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated,

he

>places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and
>conveys the following. "We have let you enter here because you are of

noble

>character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral."
>"Surface World," I half-gasp under my breath! "Yes," the Master replies

with

>a smile, "you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the
>Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely

escorted

>back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now. Admiral, I shall
>tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins

just

>after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and

Nagasaki,

>Japan. It was at that alarming time we sent our flying machines, the
>'Flugelrads,' to your surface world to investigate what your race had

done.

>"That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must

continue

>on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and
>barbarity, but now we must, for you have leamed to tamper with a certain
>power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries
>have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they

do

>not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does
>exist. You see, our culture and science is many thousands of years beyond
>your race, Admiral." I interrupted, "But what does this have to do with

me,

>Sir?"
>The master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after
>studying me for a few moments he replied, "Your race has now reached the
>point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your
>very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it..."
>I nodded, and the Master continued. "In 1945 and afterward, we tried to
>contact I your race, but our efforts were met with hostility. Our

Flugelrads

>were fired upon, yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your

fighter

>planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering

in

>your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There
>will be no answer in your armies, there will be no safety in your

science.

>It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled and all

human

>things are leveled in vast chaos.
>"Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race.

We

>here see it more clearly with each hour...do you say I am mistaken?"
>"No," I answer," it happened once before, the Dark Ages came and they

lasted

>for more than five hundred years." "Yes, my son," replied the Master,

"the

>Dark Ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a

pall,

>but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond
>that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from

the

>ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they

will

>be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall

come

>forward again to help revive your culture and your race.
>"Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its
>strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be
>returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the
>Surface World with this message..."
>With those closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a

moment

>as in a dream...but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange
>reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know
>which.
>Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought

me

>here were again at my side. "This way, Admiral," motioned one. I turned

once

>more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was
>etched on his delicate ancient face. "Farewell, my son," he spoke, then

he

>gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting

was

>truly ended.
>
>Hazel
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:10 AM
>Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Mars
>
>
>> Real Mars, Hollow Mars
>>
>> http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars
>>
>> Members,
>>
>> Most of this stuff was on my other mammoth site. Something new is the

"

>> canals on Mars " at the top tier.
>>
>> The Triuth on Hollow Mars contains good points which hollow Earthers
>should
>> assimilate. And get some background, read Gardner's comments on Mars.
>>
>> DD
>>
>>
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DD, You like your soft particles, I like my orgone, is it the same thing? BJ
Allen just sent me this URL, after skimming through it, my head nearly
exploded!! CyberSpace ORBIT Inside Cover I don't know where to
begin...? Hazel

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

> Dean, Very interesting account and excellent picture, confirming an
entrance
> to the Martian interior.
>
> He speaks of the brilliant light of the polar caps- a light more

brilliant

> than that of the other surfaces which are supposed to be covered with

ice.

> Then comes his description of the beam of light which we hold to come
direct
> from the central sun of Mars:

Hazel,

If not the central sun, then the beam can just be a matter of soft

particles

from the martian atmosphere spouting out of the inner opening through the
crevices at the Martian polar depression. Soft paticles break up into
visible light because they are composed of, in the ultimate issue,

photons.

Something similar happens when our aurora occurs, but again, it can be a
matter of a soft particle build up in the cavity- not necessarily shining
from the inner sun. This is how Cater presents it.

DD

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Hazel,

Yes, Mr. Cater uses the words interchageably. What Mr. Cater has done is
apply the orgone of William Reich to geological processes.

Dharma/Dean

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DD, You like your soft particles, I like my orgone, is it the same thing?

BJ

Allen just sent me this URL, after skimming through it, my head nearly
exploded!! CyberSpace ORBIT Inside Cover I don't know where

to

begin...? Hazel

12

Dean, I've just found out all I need to know about 'reptoids' from Branton,
top man, http://www.eagle-net.org/dulce/ Hazel

···

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mars

Hazel,

Yes, Mr. Cater uses the words interchageably. What Mr. Cater has done is
apply the orgone of William Reich to geological processes.

Dharma/Dean

-----

> DD, You like your soft particles, I like my orgone, is it the same

thing?

BJ
> Allen just sent me this URL, after skimming through it, my head nearly
> exploded!! CyberSpace ORBIT Inside Cover I don't know where
to
> begin...? Hazel
>
>

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Dean, I've just found out all I need to know about 'reptoids' from

Branton,

top man, http://www.eagle-net.org/dulce/ Hazel

Hazel,

Interesting, a whole book by Branton online. He really does point out a lot
about what is supposed to be there underground, in the SW USA, i.e., bases,
activities and such.

What really disturbed me was that post of a day or two ago about hundreds of
railway cars equipped with shackles.

DD

14

Hazel,

Did you see the canals on Mars animation?

Dharma/Dean

15

From The Truth on Hollow Mars:
http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars/id7.html

The above photograph shows that the accumulation in the depression comes up
to the brim on one side, and way below the brim on the other. Other photos,
however, show the depression full to the brim on all sides. We cannot accept
that it is accumulated ice which is responsible for this, for the reasons
which we have just gone over.

Therefore, we can concludes that the polar depression is principally filled
by cloud cover which accumulates every winter. The clouds fill in the polar
depression and stay put in that area. This fits in well with Gardner's
theory that it was cloud cover which is actually seen at the pole. And where
does thick, heavy cloud cover come from on a planet whose atmosphere is only
2% of that of Earths? The traditional, solid-planet model does not explain
this cloud phenomenon in any suitable way.

The Hollow Planet Theory offers a tenable explanation; that the clouds
result from the warmer atmosphere from the interior of the planet in contact
with the colder, outer atmosphere.

By Dharma/Dean

16

Dean... Looked at your Mars URL and agree. Real CLOUDS are covering "something" gigantic.
      Just imagine a giant meteor coming in from outer space, pausing directly over Mars north pole, and only then dropping vertically straight down to make the round meteor "crater." And astronomers actually believe that?
     - Dick

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-----------------------

>From The Truth on Hollow Mars:
http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars/id7.html

The above photograph shows that the accumulation in the depression comes up
to the brim on one side, and way below the brim on the other. Other photos,
however, show the depression full to the brim on all sides. We cannot accept
that it is accumulated ice which is responsible for this, for the reasons
which we have just gone over.

Therefore, we can concludes that the polar depression is principally filled
by cloud cover which accumulates every winter. The clouds fill in the polar
depression and stay put in that area. This fits in well with Gardner's
theory that it was cloud cover which is actually seen at the pole. And where
does thick, heavy cloud cover come from on a planet whose atmosphere is only
2% of that of Earths? The traditional, solid-planet model does not explain
this cloud phenomenon in any suitable way.

The Hollow Planet Theory offers a tenable explanation; that the clouds
result from the warmer atmosphere from the interior of the planet in contact
with the colder, outer atmosphere.

By Dharma/Dean

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Dean... Looked at your Mars URL and agree. Real CLOUDS are covering
"something" gigantic.
      Just imagine a giant meteor coming in from outer space, pausing
directly over Mars north pole, and only then dropping vertically
straight down to make the round meteor "crater." And astronomers
actually believe that?
     - Dick

Dick,

The king has no clothes. Excuse my French, but they have to be nuts to
believe that shit. Really, I'd rather eat warm shit than believe that an
impact crater did THAT!

( I hope I haven't ruined any dinners. )

Real Mars, Hollow Mars http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars/

Dean

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Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] The Truth on Hollow Mars

18

DD, Tut-tut....Hazel

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:21 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Martian Polar Crater

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] The Truth on Hollow Mars

> Dean... Looked at your Mars URL and agree. Real CLOUDS are covering
> "something" gigantic.
> Just imagine a giant meteor coming in from outer space, pausing
> directly over Mars north pole, and only then dropping vertically
> straight down to make the round meteor "crater." And astronomers
> actually believe that?
> - Dick

Dick,

The king has no clothes. Excuse my French, but they have to be nuts to
believe that shit. Really, I'd rather eat warm shit than believe that an
impact crater did THAT!

( I hope I haven't ruined any dinners. )

Real Mars, Hollow Mars http://skywebsite.com/hollow/realmarshollowmars/

Dean

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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Members- Read this
one
Dean... Would like to later comment on YOUR comments below -
just as soon I find out what the hell this PLASMA theory is all
about! Without Frode's input may take me some time. - Dick

···

To:
Members
From:
Dharma/Dean
Re: My brief answers to
Dick

Dean... Excellent pages on Mars! (Rest of your new site
also looks great.).
About Mars' COLORS; just
a reminder that VINCE DiPIETRO has long claimed that NASA has been
doctoring the colors from Mars. Not everything RED as they have
wanted us to believe. DiPietro's equipment (from the same data they
received from Mars) showed BLUE skies.. and water geysers (same or
different than those you show?)

  • Dick-
  • Yeah, Daniel Ross feels the same way.
    He believes that the red light on Mars is from the upper atmosphere
    and refers to the light on its way back out. Near the surface, he
    feels that the light is not reddish like that, and that certainly the
    ground is not red. He offers some very good explanations in his
    book
    SNIP
    Also Churchward (again)
    claimed our Sun is not a gas ball    . A double layer of clouds in
    its specialized atmosphere, encloses the Sun's much smaller diameter
    body. But the atmospheric space between the Sun's body and the double
    layer of clouds is filled with ultra dark rays, hiding her body from
    sight. When the ultra dark rays reach the upper parts of the
    specialized atmosphere, they filter out into the light visible rays
    and flashings (they're not "flames") that we can see on
    earth.
    Recall that Churchward
    asserted that a GAS BALL (a nebula)    , lacking a hard crust and
    soft under-layer (forming a Friction line), cannot possibly
    generate controlling magnetic and centrifugal forces    , as does
    both Jupiter and our Sun. A ball of gas cannot hold a perfect
    spherical shape, rotate on an axis and be held in a precise orbit
    around its ruling Sun. And a ball of gas will not have POLES that
    oscillate back and forth in response to magnetic forces from its
    ruling Sun.
    Thus Jupiter and our Sun
    cannot be gas balls    . They must have relatively cool, solid outer
    crusts. And I would also add, HOLLOW centers similar to Earth, Venus
    and Mars, in my opinion.
  • Dick-
    Churchward wrote before the nature of
    plasma was understood. A plasmacan perform the feats which you have
    denied, rightly so, to a gaseous Sun:
    " How does the Sun shine? The Victorians believed the
    Sun was a burning ball of coal. In the atomic era it is thought to be
    nuclear furnace. Each age reflects its own successful power power
    source and attributes it to the radiating phenomena in the
    heavens.

... it is important to consider the rudiments of plasma
behavior. It was not long ago that physics classified matter into
only three states: solid, liquid and gas. Fairly recently (1960's)
was it realized that a gas heated to a very high temperature does not
obey the law of gasess; it displays a nature unique to its own
nature. So different is this state from a regular gas that it has
been classified as a fourth state of matter: a plasma. Because all
stars consist of this super-hot gas, a large portion of the known
universe exists in a plasma state, a condition of matter that
scientists have only recently begun to understand.

Put simply, plasma is a super-hot gas in which electrons are stripped
away from protons. When placed in the vicinity of a magnetic field,
particles of like polarity interact with, and reinforce the field.
The magnetic force is 1 X 10 to the 39 times stronger than the
original gravitational force. The observation that plasmas align and
reinforce magnetic fields is at odds with the fusion/core theories
which rest on the assumption that the mutual gravitational attraction
of the Sun's individual atoms override all other acting forces.
However, the Sun consists of super hot gas, a plasma. If the Sun's
plasma particles mutually interact within a unifying magnetic field,
then it is the Sun's magnetic field and its associated particles that
dominate, not the gravitational contraction of the Sun's
mass.

It occurs to me that the disparity between plasma behavior and the
gravitational solar core theory is understandable; the fusion/core
models originated before the nature of plasma configurations were
understood.

Fusion/core reasoning was founded on classical gravitational
arguments. This reasoning would not apply in a plasma universe."

  • Frode has a much better grasp than I do
    on the nature of plasma in this regard.
    Similarly our Sun's
    controlling Sun    , causing our Sun to rotate on an axis, its poles
    to oscillate, while holding it in a precise orbit, at an enormous
    distance...is also generating even more powerful magnetic and
    centrifugal forces.
    According to Churchward wearing
    his "astronomy" hat, that controlling Sun too, must be
    similarly constructed with a relatively cool, hard crust, a molten
    layer, a Friction line (and also a HOLLOW center). And so too
    probably, ALL other rotating Suns and bodies in the universe. -
    Dick Fojut
  • Our Sun's controlling sun? I
    accept this. Cater states that our sun is a binary. The other one,
    smaller, is always behind the one which we see. This may seem crazy,
    but notice that the Moon always shows us the same face. Its orbit has
    some kind of synchronicity, it's astounding. Nothing can explain it,
    it is not by chance that this happens. Our Earth's orbit is adjusted
    by the Moon such that it keeps us always opposite the second sun.
    This is just natural- if it weren't for the Moon, our Earth would
    have a different speed and orbital path, and would move ahead or fall
    behind and come within view of the second sun. If it weren't for a
    second sun, Mars would never warm up enough to have any polar ice cap
    melting, the planet would stay below freezing.
  • I've been telling you all to read
    cater, give him a chance, hear him out.
    Dharma/Dean

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