Initially I felt a loss when I got the response from the Lloyd
Library and Museum. Then I examined the intent of the book. Etidorhpa
could NOT have been written purely as a fictional novel. True, the
events may not have taken place as written in the book and there may
be literary license, but look at everything John Uri stated in
Etidorhpa. He could not have written the book unless he was a VERY
serious 'student' of esoteric information. There may definitely have
been a side to Lloyd's nature that even his family was unaware, as is
sometimes the case with 'adepts' or students of the "occult".
We've sometimes tended to think of Etidorhpa as a sort of 'bible' to
the HE theory. I believe, in all likelihood, there are huge doses of
truth in the 'novel', however, let's keep it in perspective also
because from what I've learned the same could be stated of the Bible.
Here is something about Cater's section on tides, i.e., gravity:
" Since the moon is a greater factor in producing tides, the conclusion that
the Moon has a greater surface gravity than the Sun is inescapable! To the
orthodox mind this produces insurmountable paradoxes. The time has come for
these to be resolved. This can only be accomplished by probing deeper into
basic causes."
This can only be possible if gravity is a matte of the electrostatic charge
which the heavenly body possesses, and not a matte of the density of its
mass.
We have been brainwashed, me thinks, and we don't even know how to look
around ourselves and interpret simple things that we see, for example, the
sun in the sky.
Here is something about Cater's section on tides, i.e., gravity:
" Since the moon is a greater factor in producing tides, the conclusion
that
the Moon has a greater surface gravity than the Sun is inescapable!
The moon happens to be MUCH closer to the earth than the sun is. Doesn't
that explain part of it?
Sean
To the
orthodox mind this produces insurmountable paradoxes. The time has come
for
these to be resolved. This can only be accomplished by probing deeper into
basic causes."
This can only be possible if gravity is a matte of the electrostatic
charge
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From: "Dean" <[email protected]>
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Tides and gravity
which the heavenly body possesses, and not a matte of the density of its
mass.
We have been brainwashed, me thinks, and we don't even know how to look
around ourselves and interpret simple things that we see, for example, the
sun in the sky.
On pages 76 and 77 of Etidorhpa there are some comments which reveal some
kind of network or secret society which infiltrates our society on the
surface, specifically, academic institutions. Maybe this is part of the
reason why not one department head of any astronomy department in any
university has spoken out against Apolloscam and physics professors let it
be taught that gravity relates tothe density of mass.
" It has been ordained that a select few must from time to time pass over
the threshold that divides a mortal's present life from the future, and your
lot has been cast among the favored ones. It is or should be deemed a
privilege to be permitted to pass farther than human philosophy has yet
gone, into an investigation of the problems of life; this I say to encourage
you. We have in our order a handful of persons who have received the
calculated fruits of the close attention others have given to these subjects
which have been handed to them by the genera-tions of men who have preceded.
You are destined to become as they are. This study of semi-occult forces has
enabled those selected for the work to master some of the concealed truths
of being, and by the partial development of a new sense or new senses,
partly to triumph over death. These facts are hidden from ordinary man, and
from the earth-bound workers of our brother-hood, who can not even interpret
the words they learn. The methods by which they are elucidated have been
locked from man because the world is not prepared to receive them,
selfishness being the ruling passion of debased mankind, and publicity,
until the chain of evidence is more complete, would embarrass their further
evolutions, for man as yet lives on the selfish plane."
" Do you mean that, among men, there are a few persons possessed of powers
such as you have mentioned?"
" Yes; they move here and there through all orders of society, and their
attainments are unknown, except to one another, or, at most, to but few
persons. These adepts are scientific men, and may not even be recognized as
members of our organization; indeed it is often necessary, for obvious
reasons, that they should not be known as such.
> Here is something about Cater's section on tides, i.e., gravity:
Cater wrote:
> " Since the moon is a greater factor in producing tides, the conclusion
that
> the Moon has a greater surface gravity than the Sun is inescapable!
Sean Wrote:
The moon happens to be MUCH closer to the earth than the sun is. Doesn't
that explain part of it?
Sean
Sean,
The sun is further away but possesses much more mass, while the moon
possesses much less mass but is much closer. Since the sun supposedly
produces enough gravity to keep the planets in orbit around it, even enough
to keep the Moon in orbit, the sun should have quite an impact on tides, but
it doesn't.
Actually, I left out the few previous sentences from that Cater quote which
this better:
" The analysis of tides presented above forms the basis for proving that the
surface gravity of the Moon is greater than that on the sun. Since the sun
and the Moon have the same apparent diameters, viewed from the Earth, tidal
effects produced by them are directly proportional to their surface
gravities. ... gravitational effects vary inversely as the square of the
distance away. Their [ the Sun and the Moon ] aaparent diameters are
inversely proportional to the distance; therefore, their apparent surface
areas also vary inversely as the square of the distance."
I think that the hard part of understanding this is more psychological than
conceptual. There is some kind of shock that one goes through, one needs
time to let it all sink in.
On this page, second article down, I have almost all of Cater's section on
tides.
This crater Albetignius seems to be a good example of the effect of the
particle-beam weapon which Cater refered to in that particle beam post. I'll
include the post below just for easy reference.
The crater is actually wider than the photo suggests, I think.
Here is that piece from Cater:
" THE ORIGIN OF MOON CRATERS
The concensus seems to be that moon craters are caused by the impact
of meteors. This is consistent with the quality of logic displayed in other
areas of orthodox cosmology. The diameter of most of these craters is
disproportionally great compared to their depth. A true impact crater
has a depth commensurate with its diameter. An impact great enough to
produce a crater with a diameter of some size on the moon would shatter the
entire moon, since it is hollow with a relatively thin shell. To wit:
some craters have a mountain in the center. It is significant that, in all
cases in which the crater has a mountain, the mountain is always in the
center. How did it ever escape destruction?
The only logical answer is that the craters were produced by particlebeam
weapons during the great interplanetary war. This, no doubt, was the one
mentioned earlier, when the planet Maldek was destroyed. Other planetary
bodies show similar craters, for instance, Mercury, Mars and the moons of
Jupiter.
A concentrated beam of high speed positive charges, preferably protons, can
have devastating effects, if directed against a specific target. The beam by
itself does relatively little damage. It is the after effects that are
destructive. While in motion, the positive charge effects of the particles
comprising the beam are minimal. After they strike the target, they lose
their velocity and a tremendous positive charge is concentrated at the point
of impact. This charge is maintained by incoming particles. A high
concentration of soft and hard electrons converges on the area from all
directions, creating a void in the regions originally occupied by these
particles. Others rush in to fill the void and a chain reaction, or domino
effect, is produced which affects the regions of space at ever increasing
distances around the target area. The number of electrons that converge on
the area is far out of proportion to the number of protons concentrated in
the area.
The ramifications are not difficult to imagine. The soft electrons
congregating there disintegrate and release the hard electrons they contain.
An inordinate concentration of hard electrons is the result, and is far more
than can be absorbed by the protons. First, an implosion and then
an explosion of electrons of colossal proportions are created. Most of the
energy of the explosion is directed outward, since it follows the lines of
least resistance. The number of particles involved and the amount of energy
released can far exceed that of any nuclear device. Since the energy is
directed outward, extremely wide but relatively shallow craters in a
planet's surface result. The principles involved in such destructive forces
are similar to those employed by Wilhelm Reich's cloudbuster, which will be
discussed later. The center of the craters produced would experience a
relatively small disturbance and, consequently, any mountain in the path of
the proton beam would be left standing."
Here is some good information of migrations in the Arctic, near Siberia,
from Marshall B. Gardner's book:
THE REINDEER
"We are informed by Professor Adams, of St. Petersburg, that on the northern
coast of Asia, every autumn the reindeer start northeastwardlv from the
river Lena, and return again in the spring in good condition."
Short of such a hospitable country as is afforded by the interior of the
earth, where could these animals possibly find warmth and nutriment!'
MUSK-OXEN
Among early nineteenth century accounts of northern explorations, "Hearne's
journal" is one of the most interesting. In its pages we may read that large
droves of musk-oxen abound in the arctic regions, as many as several herds
each aggregating seventy to eighty head being seen by Hearne in one day. Few
of them ever came as far south as the Hudson's Bay settlements. He also
states that polar white bears are rarely seen in the winter and that their
winter habitat is a mystery. But in the spring they suddenly appear from
some unknown place having their young with them.
Hearne goes on to tell us that white foxes are exceedingly plentiful some
years, and that they always come from the North; that the animals which
appear do not again go to the North, so that the supply from there must be
inexhaustible. "
Now I see where the fault line begins on top of the middle globe. For some
reason I wasn't reading the middle globe correctly the first time, you have
to stare at it! It is simply good sense that the opening would be somewhere
near a fault line, especially where various plates converge. If the planet
is expanding, it would naturally expand from the opening point.
Yes, it seems that the warming of the ocean could have its origin in the
volcanic activity connected with that underwater, mid Atlantic ridge.
According to Cater's HE model, the heating responsible for volcanic activity
can be caused by soft particles which congregate along fault lines and
underneath plates.
I am confused by this. I thought that the opening was in the open water. This reference makes it seem as if we could just follow the animals and walk in.
Here is some good information of migrations in the Arctic, near Siberia,
from Marshall B. Gardner's book:
THE REINDEER
"We are informed by Professor Adams, of St. Petersburg, that on the northern
coast of Asia, every autumn the reindeer start northeastwardlv from the
river Lena, and return again in the spring in good condition."
Short of such a hospitable country as is afforded by the interior of the
earth, where could these animals possibly find warmth and nutriment!'
MUSK-OXEN
Among early nineteenth century accounts of northern explorations, "Hearne's
journal" is one of the most interesting. In its pages we may read that large
droves of musk-oxen abound in the arctic regions, as many as several herds
each aggregating seventy to eighty head being seen by Hearne in one day. Few
of them ever came as far south as the Hudson's Bay settlements. He also
states that polar white bears are rarely seen in the winter and that their
winter habitat is a mystery. But in the spring they suddenly appear from
some unknown place having their young with them.
Hearne goes on to tell us that white foxes are exceedingly plentiful some
years, and that they always come from the North; that the animals which
appear do not again go to the North, so that the supply from there must be
inexhaustible. "
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I am confused by this. I thought that the opening was in the open water. This reference makes it seem as if we could just follow the animals and walk in.
m-j
Michael-Jon,
The opening is surrounded by water and one could only make to the threshold of the opening if one trudged over ice. But that doesn't mean that land from within doesn't come up as far as the neck of the doughnut-like opening. In fact, all the mammouth remains found around the Arctic basin, the presence of wolves, bears, rabbits, foxes and land birds in the vicinity of the suspected opening suggest that this is so.
There are other indications- Nansen and the crew of the ship Fram experienced huge clouds of volcanic ash that covered everything- to make a long story short, it had to have been regional in origin.
And Mac Millan, Peary and Cook all sighted a mountainous land mass from the Canadian side at different times. It wasn't an ice mountain that they were looking at because the white, snowy part was only at the peak- it was snow-capped, and the background that it was seen at, at one point, was a clear blue. It was determined to be a mirage/reflection because it disappeared when the sun went down, but a reflection exists- it was just being funneled through thermal layers from far away. Imagine what would happen to a thermal layer of warmer air originating from a funnel-like entrance- it would shoot up high above the colder air and wouldn't touch down until it cooled, which would be far away. Anyhow, they were above Canada near Greenland and the reflection came from the direction of that point which we always talk about above the New Siberian Islands. I've got an article under the Arctic Proof button called Ring Around the Opening which talks about this.
Two major sects of Vaidik Dharma, namely, that of Jaina and Buddha (1800 B.C.), rose and assumed a large following during this period. One of the greatest philosophers in Hindu history, and perhaps in world history, Aadi Shankaracharya also flourished in this era (500 B.C.).
The rise of Arya Chanakya and Chandragupta of Maurya dynasty (1530 B.C.), and the historical evidence to the golden age of the Hindus under the umbrella of the Gupta dynasty (325 B.C.) also occured during this period.
. Evidence testifies that Buddha and Aadi Shankara lived 1800 B.C. and 500 B.C respectively. The "golden age" in India was ushered with the rise of the Gupta dynasty. It was Chandragupta of the Guptas, NOT THE MAURYAS, who reigned over the Indian empire around 325 B.C., a time when Macedonian Alexander had invaded India.
The currently established chronology of India initiates with the invasion of the so-called aryan race in 1500 B.C., which ruthlessly and forcefully subdued the original inhabitants of the land, imposing upon them a alien language and culture. The invading hordes settled down on the banks of river Sindhu (Indus), and within few centuries (1200 B.C.), complied the Veda. Subsequently, the Brahmanas, Samhitas, Puranas and numerous other scriptures were composed. Where does the Ramayan and Mahabharat fit in? Some say that the Ramayan follows Mahabharat and some opine otherwise. In all this anarchy of Indian histography, the probable date of Mahabharat ranges between 1000 B.C.to 300 B.C.
The identification of Sandrocottus (325 B.C.) of the Greeks with Chandragupta Maurya by Sir Jones was considered to the "sheet anchor" and based on this assumption, a chronology of Indian history was constructed. THE DATE WHEN GAUTAMA BUDDHA PROSPERED WAS CALCULATED FROM THIS SHEET ANCHOR TO BE AROUND 500 BC, and the dateline of Aadi Shankara was put in 800 A.D. The Gupta Dynasty, whose reign ushered a Golden Age in India, were placed in the 4th century A.D.
Examination of the Rgved, Puraan and other texts provide dates of events that took Indian history, at times, back to thousands of years. However, since these dates contradicted the prevalent views of Europeans historians, the saunskrut texts were academically attacked in an attempt to disprove the authenticity of the annals. For example, the European Indologist Maxmuller, tried the interpret the astronomical evidences to prove that the observations recorded in the Hindu scriptures are imaginary, "pious frauds" created by the cunning Brahmanas. Numerous references which were anachronous to the particular time-frames were either considered as unauthentic and unreliable. No attempt was made to recheck and reevaluate the presumptions and basis on which the chronological structure was built.
.......Sage Buddha is also considered as yet another avataar, and the time he prospered is determined below. However, to determine the age when Buddha flourished requires finding dates of some other events in the course of history. The datelines of Maurya Chandragupta and his grandson, Maurya Ashoka, are considered in the following two sections.
Gautam Buddha ----------------- Modern history tends to inform readers that Gautama was born around 550 B.C. and died after about 80 years. Pandit Kota Venkatachalam, writes in his book "The Age of Buddha, Milinda and King Amtiyoka and Yuga Purana" that, "Due to his wrong identification of Maurya Chandragupta as the contemporary of Alexander, the history of Bharat has been shifted by 12 centuries (and) it is the Chandragupta of the Gupta dynasty who belongs to 327-320 B.C." Thus, due to the confusion in pinpointing properly the "sheet anchor" of Indian history, Lord Buddha's antiquity has been underestimated by about 1200 years. Now that Chandragupta Maurya reigned in 1550 B.C. (instead of 325 B.C.), the time when the latter flourished can be calculation to be around 1850 B.C. (instead of 550 B.C.).
All the Puranas and another historical compilation titled Kaliyug- rajavruttanta, profess to describe the Magadha royal dynasties starting from the Bruhadratha to the Andhra lineages, after which the Magadha empire disintegrated. It is known from the Bhagavad Puraan that Buddha was 23rd in the Ikshwaku lineage. However, the list of Ikshwaku kings are not available. In order to determine the date of Siddharta (Buddha), it is necessary to find the contemporary kings in the Magadha genealogy. According to different accounts, the Buddha was a contemporary of Kshemajita, Bindusar and Ajatashatru, the 31st-33rd kings of the Shishunaga dynasty. The Buddha was 72 years old when the coronation of Ajatashatru took place, that is in 1814 B.C. Going backwards, the date of Buddha's birth becomes 1887 B.C. Since he lived for 80 years, the Buddha must have left the body in 1807 B.C.
This date can also be confirmed by purely referring to astronomical calculations, and what is correctly and exactly obtained as the date for Buddha's nirvana is 27-3-1807 (Sathe, Age of Buddha). This date also explains the possibility of the existence of Buddhism in the second millennium B.C., as was rejected earlier. The astronomical computations of the indologist-astronomer Swami Sakhyananda suggests that the Buddha belonged to the Kruttika period, i.e., in between 2621-1661 B.C. In his book "Chronology of Ancient Bharat" (Part4.Chap2), Prof. K.Srinivasaraghavan states the approximate time of Buddha to be 2259 years after the Bharata War (3138 B.C.). which turns out to be 1880 B.C.
Thyagaraja Aiyer in his book "Indian Architecture" observes," Here lies Indian Sramanacharya from Bodh Gaya, a Shakya monk taken to Greece by his Greek pupils and the tomb marks his death about 1000 B.C." If the Buddhist monk went to Greece in 1000 B.C., then the Buddha must have lived at least a few centuries earlier. Somayajulu places Chandragupta Maurya in the 14th century B.C (ref: Dates in Ancient History of India). This puts the Buddha three centuries earlier, i.e., in the 17th century B.C. A brief chronology of the events in Buddha's life:Born in 1887 B.C., Renunciation in 1858 B.C., Penance during 1858-52 B.C and Death in 1807 B.C.
There are various other calculations and evidences which point to the 1800 B.C. date. However, it is believed that, at least for this article, the presentation made above suffices to convince and ascertain the date of Buddha.
Below I have compiled a quick overview from the writings of Prof Prasad Gokhale from the University of New Brunswick, Canada, on the subject of the Vedic Date for Buddha's appearance. Also note that the British date of 800 AD for Adi Shankaracharya is incorrect as is the date for Chanakya Pandit, Chandragupta Maurya and the Gupta dynasty. Sincerely, Vrin Parker
I just sent along that piece about the true date of the appearance of the Buddha Avatar. ( It is from www.vedica.net ) You might ask why. Well, the Tibetan Buddhist legends of Shambhala are just that- Tibetan Buddhist. It seems that the origin of the Buddha is much older than we think. If we accept this, then this means that the Tibetan legends with reference to Shambhala and the hollow Earth just got about 1,000 years older or so.
What occurs to me is that the animals know of "secret" entrances to the
inner places.
Nimueh
Michael-Jon wrote:
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Dean,I
am confused by this. I thought that the opening was in the open water.
This reference makes it seem as if we could just follow the animals and
walk in.m-j
What occurs to me is that the animals know of "secret" entrances to the inner places.
Nimueh
Namueh,
You got that straight. If we were free to poke around up there, with some facilities and time, then we could easily discover the location of the opening.
