How old TRULY , is the "Predictive Analytics Science" of Astrology ??

Folks , Astrology is easily , by far , THE most ancient of all actually predates mankind and was probably TAUGHT "fully formed" , in a codified manner , to primitive humans (by our Hollow Earth ancestors , or by "elder" civilisations perhaps ?) . It has even been called the mother of all sciences known to mankind . How then does one prove such a claim ??

Well , because a single human lifetime , of max. 100 years is just NOT enough to structure and codify such a VAST repository of knowledge . Astrology existed even well before the invention of writing , when Oral traditions were the only means of passing down knowledge from generation to generation . Therefore , no one person alone could possibly have codified such an enormous storehouse of information - it's simply not feasible.

**Some of the constellations and planetary configurations described in Vedic Astrology for example , have been found by modern software tools to have existed tens of thousands of years ago ! One full cycle for precession of the Equinoxes alone takes about 25,800 years (called as a "Great Year") to complete . There are ancient astrological texts that list out many such precessions !!

The article below makes an educated guess about the true age of astrology , which I feel is a highly CONSERVATIVE estimate :))

How Old is Astrology?

The orientation and geological condition of the Sphinx in Giza as well as the major pyramids, support an established astrology that dates back to at least 10,500 BC. Original illustration copyright ©2012 by Roman Oleh Yaworsky

The Sphynx showing 12,500 years of water erosion on the body and the head of a pharoh only a quarter of that age.

Many now believe that the original pyramids date from that time, and that much later, Khafre and others may have added or built over those sites.

A close look at the Sphinx reveals that the head is much smaller in proportion to the body and much younger, as it is significantly less eroded. Amenemhet II, Khafre, Khyfa and others are attributed with later re-carving or replacing that part of the Sphinx.

How Old is Astrology, Really ?

Many Historians trace the roots of astrology to ancient Greece and to the astrology of Mesopotamia and Babylon, but the evidence points to a much older origin to astrology.

The Age of the Sphinx, the Sign Leo

We know that the fundamental basis of the astrology that we use in the west goes back at least 12,500 years, because of the orientation and geological age of the Sphinx. The Sphinx depicts the sign Leo, and it was erected facing the point in the sky where the astrological sign Leo rises on the first day of spring, about 10,500 BC.

The evidence for the age of the Sphinx is not only that it is aligned with Leo rising for 10,500 BC, but also that the erosion on the body of the Sphinx can only be attributed to rainfall, which did not occur in the region much after 10,500 BC.

For a long time, Egyptology placed the Sphinx in the reign of Khafre, or Khufa, at about 2,500 BC. However, several key pieces of physical evidence contradict this. As already mentioned, the weathering (as noted by geologist Robert M. Schoch) places it at least 8,000 years earlier. In addition to this, is the location of the three great pyramids at Giza and the Sphinx in relation to the Nile.

These structures reflect more closely the relationship of the angle of the stars in Orion's belt and the milky way as it would have been seen from Giza in 10,500 BC, and especially on significant days, such as the Spring Equinox. This orientation shifts over time due to precession and to a lesser degree due to the proper movement of the individual stars.

Because the Sphinx was obviously altered by replacing the much more ancient lion's head with that of Khafre or Khufa near 2,500 BC, it is likely that the pyramids were also altered at around the same time period, by re-facing them or extending their size, but maintaining their location.

This may explain in large part why some of the facing on the pyramids appears more recent than the orientation both of the structures relative to the sky and the internal site lines to specific stars which is more consistent with a 10,500 BC origin.

Is Astrology Older than 12,500 years?

A fundamental component of astrology is the precession of the equinox and the great 'year' of around 26,000 years. Both the astrology of the Maya in South America and the Vedic Astrology of India reveal a clear understanding of this from very ancient times.

The difficulty in discerning what happened as we go back further in time, is that humanity faced a major cataclysmic event around 10,500 BC, that pushed much of the world into the stone age for several millennia. Most of the history that we know or have tried to reconstruct is really about the period of recovery from this event.

Unfortunately, most of the established literature and academic views embrace a history of humanity that largely ignores that this event ever happened. It tends to view references to this time as myth and legend.

However, when we piece together geological, archeological, mythic and written references, a coherent timeline begins to emerge that speaks of much older civilizations and more ancient roots to astrology.

What Really Happened in 10,500 BC?

There is no question that something dramatic and pivotal happened 12500 years ago. The problem is that the scientific evidence is baffling. The scientific evidence for a major cataclysmic event is undeniable. What is baffling is that no one major explanation fits all of the evidence of the event.

Added to the confusion is that for the longest time, the event as a historical experience was ignored or denied, because the accepted views favored the onset of civilization emerging in the eastern Mediterranean or Middle East. That accepted view did not tolerate an age for the beginning of civilization that stretched backwards any further than about the 4th or 5th millennium BC.

Astrology Before Mesopotamia

Part of the controversy over the age of astrology is that historians have traditionally clung to a Mesopotamian origin for civilization. The accepted traditional view has been that civilization began in Mesopotamia around 3,500 BC and closely followed in Egypt and India around 3,300 BC.

Nabta Playa

Recent discoveries have shattered these dates and assumptions. One such discovery was the Nabta Playa site in Egypt. This site had a working calendar set in stone that also included a mirror of the pattern of Orion's belt and its main stars. It is set for the heliacal rising of Orion's stars on the first day of spring, 6,300 BC, predating Stonehenge by 3000 years.

Astrology and the Vedas

In India, one of the oldest references to a fully functioning astrological system is found in the Rig Veda. It's age is being constantly revised. For a long time, the date of the Rig Veda was set at around 1,200 BC through the work of philogists such as Max Muller, even though there was very little evidence to substantiate this claim.

We now know that the Rig Veda originated at least as early as 8,000 BC because it mentions a vast Saraswati river, that formed thousands of years before even this date as a result of glacial melt. After this date, this vast river system was significantly receding and by 2000 BC no longer existed. A number of the verses in the RIg Veda describe the winter solstice in Aries, which last occurred around 6,500 BC.

Other astrological events noted in the Vedic Scriptures Taittireya Samhita and the Taittariya Brahmana have dated the Vedas to 8,500 BC and 10,000 BC respectively.



List members , for the technology geeks in our group , here is some food for thought - Machine Learning models for "PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS" seem to mirror Astrology - which is ultimately a COSMIC framework for Predictive Analytics !! This implies that you need a Machine Learning (ML) level of capability to draw CUMULATIVE dashboard level conclusions (another way to describe Astrology) from an OCEAN of raw astronomical data .

The relatively simple mathematical formula (that are actually ancient Algorithms) used by Astrologers to predict your life basis only of your date & place of birth , your name , gender etc. are an INCREDIBLE simplification of ALL the astronomical phenomena correlating with your exact instant of birth on this planet . It is hard to imagine , primitive humans gazing at the sky every night and establishing these unbelievably COMPLEX CORRELATIONS , of astronomical objects - with your day to day life .

**Please bear in mind , that Numerology , Gemology/Crystallography , Palmistry and Tarot Card concepts are ALL offshoots from Astrology . There are thousands of different kinds of gemstones/crystals for example and each has it's own Astrological significance - again what are the odds for primitive groups of geographically isolated humans from prehistoric times , figuring out all these mind-boggling correlations/linkages just by themselves ??

***As an interesting thought experiment , just imagine that suddenly , ALL Astrological knowledge and texts have vanished from the world - POOF !! Gone ! Now , try to think what it would take to completely "Reverse Engineer" Astrology from all the unstructured Astronomical data our civilisation now possesses ? You guessed it right - Artificial Intelligence (AI) Algorithms combined with Machine Learning (ML) and running on the brute horsepower of petaflop scale supercomputers would be needed !!!! So , what is the mathematical PROBABILITY that ordinary humans like us figured out all of this , many thousands of years ago - merely by trial and error ?? Seriously ????

Astrological Predictions Checked by Machine Learning

You may be surprised to learn that in general, predictions by astrologers and by machine learning models are not very different.

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Nobody can predict the price of Bitcoin. Recently, Standpoint Research founder Ronnie Moas revised his 2018 bitcoin price prediction from $11,000 to $14,000. A number of economists have made their predictions which didn’t come true. Mark T. Williams, best-known as Professor Bitcoin, predicted Bitcoin would fall down to US $10 by mid-2014. While the value dropped quite a bit in 2014, it never got even close to the US $10 point.

We conducted an experiment and used astrology for prediction. Even though there have already been astrological forecasts of bitcoin price, nobody has ever checked them with a machine learning algorithm.

We are:

  • Ekaterina Vasyanova, a graduate of the Scientific Astrology School by S. D. Bezborodov, is a certified analyst in human design (International Human Design School). Ekaterina has been consulting people since 2006 for astrology and since 2012 for human design. During this time, she analyzed more than 5,000 natal charts and 1,500 body graphs.
  • Timur Karimbaev is an IT expert with 15 years of experience in complex systems development. Timur is the co-founder of GetCourse, one of the largest Russian ed-tech services, and the co-founder of Human Discovery Platform, a system for complex methods of human personality analysis creation powered by blockchain.

Step 1: Building Astrological Forecast of Bitcoin Price for 2018

We took the date that the domain was registered — August 18, 2008, 13:19:55 UTC — as a starting point. Astrology implies that every object (man, company, or animal) has a creation date and has its own set of attributes, and each day, you can superimpose the current position of celestial bodies on an object to get predictions for today. For example: “On November 16, 2017, Bitcoin has active gate 5,11, 32, 42, 43, 54, 57, which gives the activation of the channel 32-54 and solenoid in the channel 10–57.”

Here are the key points of the astrological forecast:

  • A strong decrease in March-August . Bitcoin will become the part of the global financial system. It’s expected that bitcoin and the world financial system will be interdependent and will impact each other. The state and the financial system will experience a threat from Bitcoin and will take various steps to restrict Bitcoin influence.
  • Increase in August-December . Legalization and taxation may be applied to bitcoin buying and trading.

A problem within the astrology is subjectivity of interpretation . All astrologic signs are explained by an expert from their own viewpoint. It brings a human factor into the prediction model, which has to be removed.

Step 2. Checking Astrological Forecast With Machine Learning

To see if the astrological forecast could be true, we checked astrological characteristics of Bitcoin price over the last three years and its actual price trends with machine learning.

To do so, we collected data about Bitcoin price for the last three years from an astrological perspective and linked them with its actual characteristics.

At the beginning, the source data looked like this. There are some notes corresponding to each date — the bitcoin price, the difference of the price with the previous day, gates, and some more data about the lines, channels, and magnets.

To prepare data for the model, we spread out all the channels and gates to the columns. If channel 14 was active on a particular day, the column will have 0, otherwise, it will have 1. We can compare the rates of the last and first dates of the month, and if it increased, the target value will be 1; if not, it will be 0. It would be logical to evaluate the rate within days, but here, we are checking the astrologer’s forecast, which is monthly, and we couldn’t build a sustainable model for each day.

Prepared data look like a big table with >150 signs and 2,600 lines (the number of days elapsed since the start of Bitcoin).

Then, we remove the month and date and check the accuracy of the model.

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  • LogisticRegression accuracy: 0.788262370541
  • GaussianNB accuracy: 0.683544303797
  • SVC accuracy: 0.901035673188
  • KNeighborsClassifier accuracy: 0.940161104718

Let's check the classification quality — how well it predicted the rise and fall.

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Using the K-nearest neighbor method, the model predicted the data on the test sample with an accuracy of 94%.

The model found a dependence between the astrological data and the direction of the price trends.

For each month, we evaluated the price at the beginning of the month, the price at the end of the month, the difference between them, and the probability of a price increase based on the model calculated.

Here's the prediction from the model:

It appeared that Bitcoin price astrological forecast was not that different from the ML model.


  • In general, predictions by astrologers and by machine learning models are not very different.
  • In February-March, where the astrologist predicts bitcoin price decline — the machine learning model gives a very fuzzy result. With this probability level, the model neither confirms nor refutes the astrological forecast. But unlike the neighboring months, there is no clear indication of growth according to the model.
  • In May-June, the negative forecast of the astrologer contradicts the ML model. It is the only place in the whole forecast where the model is strongly at variance with the forecast.
  • In July-August, the negative forecast of the astrologer neither confirms nor contradicts the model. Also, in September-October, the positive astrological projection does not contradict the model.


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@sidharthabahadur Fascinating research and yes, astronomy is the essence of astrophysics of epicycles, and the code to the matrix in my cosmology, absolutely. In the body graph system I am a "manifestor" well on the way to defining the base of astrology in what Nikola Tesla referred the magnificence of 3 6 9, as being the secret to the universe. The Pythagorean's held number as the base of reality, then geometry in the hexagram of hexagonal water. Until our scientific paradigm of imperial weigh measure count holds this as it's foundation evolution is stagnant. "Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do" ~ JP Morgan

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@cosmicsojourner , great to have your insights ! Modern science has largely discarded astrology as being of "no consequence" to the way the cosmos actually operates , but in doing so they have missed out on so many clues to the real "interconnected" nature of our universe .


If you are not familiar with syncretism and the work of Santos Bonacci, I highly recommend you attempt to innerstand his genius as it relates to science. EUT is fundamentally based in Helicon of plasma physics and the vortex based math is the founded in Nikola Tesla's 3 6 9 as the universal secret to creation.

I agree @cosmicsojourner , may the "scalar" force be with you !

I share your belief that syncretism can lead us all to enlightenment...wasn't familiar with Santos Bonacci's work though , but will surely explore that now . Thanks !


Super @sidharthabahadur thank you for your spirit of discover and open mind. Remember the medium is not the message in this regard, as Marshal McKluhan spoke to. Llike with Ken Wheeler who speaks to his truth of electromagnetism in derogatory terms, it is still truth in levels and degrees regardless how it is presented. Santos is not as abrasive IMHO, and his gnosis is fuller in terms of scope and truth of conspiracy that Ken seems to hold in a space of fear (no judgement), and he walks the walk to the degree any human can, in levels and degrees. I will forewarn that the Templar topic is a complicated issue, that may very well involve ancient the priest class of the Pharaohs from ancient Egypt, and what you will hear from Santos. CNN is absolutely not the place to get the full truth, just portions and narratives from a controlled opposition finally coming into view for the zeitgeist as they can no longer pretend, as 2020 is optimal vision in optics. In that vein I highly recommend Alan Green who is working at the behest of the Dali Lama and Nassim Haramein's Resonance Science Foundation, which I consider a level of truth in science but above gnosis, still in the mundane (particle). He will have a 4th presentation on Sunday will get you there. I personally can add to that he is doing to define the X that he say is used to consecrate a new church... crazy topic for the unprepared, but well founded in occult "circles", which is my forte, but in terms of cycles and epicycles of epigenetics and epochs. Would love to hear your perspectives after you feel you have spent sufficient time with it.

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@cosmicsojourner , really appreciate your deep insights .

I can comment on Nassim Haramein whose work I have followed for a number of years - his ideas act as a powerful force multiplier for the Electric Universe Theory . Sacred Geometry and Electric Universe Theory both converge towards the same truths .

Amongst the Electric Universe proponents , I find David LaPoint's experimental work a real eye opener and would highly recommend his 3 videos on this topic , just in case you haven't watched them .


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Yes @sidharthabahadur concur and saw La Point's work a few years back. Haramein will be the start of the process to introduce TRUTH in science, in levels and degrees. The zeitgeist cannot handle the ultimate truths of the Essene Gnostics with a pinnacle of mentalism. Then, the electric-dielectric-magnetic nature of nature in process of centrifugal/centripetal flux, then the role of geometry as sound (cymatics) of phylotaxis of Phi-Pi in symmetry of proportion and growth-decay scales of Euler's e in the prime number, then perhaps the role (roll) of number as a function of the circle of fifths and fourths and 7 tones and 7 hues of the 12 singing spheres written of in antiquity, "Musica Universalis" that Richard Merrick does a masterful job in his 400 page tomb that he has offered for free, as it should be. I celebrate you and your intellectual courage to challenge the particle programming.

@cosmicsojourner , you have truly brought up a most fascinating idea .

You see , besides the 4 well known Vedic texts - Rig Veda , Yajur Veda , Sam Veda and Atharva Veda , it is believed there used to exist a 5th Veda - the Primordial Pranav Veda . That entire text was dedicated ONLY to the primordial sound of the cosmos , the "Om" syllable , it's various manifestations and effects in the Universe . In Biblical literature , a similar concept is described as "In the beginning was the word and the word was..."

Shabda Brahman or Sabda-brahman or Nada brahman means transcendental sound (Shatapatha Brahmana III.12.48) or sound vibration (Shatpatha Brahmana Vi.16.51) or the transcendental sound of the Vedas (Shatpatha Brahmana Xi.21.36) or of Vedic scriptures (Shatpatha Brahmana X.20.43).[1]

The mantra "science" revolves around the core Vedic belief that sound vibration is one of the most fundamental aspects of the Universe , that influences every being and everything in this Universe - which is why it was believed that mantras can even be used to "alter" reality itself .

As for humans , sound vibrations can even correct genetic deformities at the DNA level . The Vedic priests used to obsess about the correct pronunciation of mantras because they knew that mispronunciation of mantras could have adverse effects.


Fascinating @sidharthabahadur! But what is sound? A sacred circle or a sphere, or polygon|gram or polyhedron|hyperpolyhedron?

Is it angles or angles that make the sound of the four winds, and what is angle but number?

Then what is number in essence, outside the primitive paradigm of the empire and empirical weigh-measure-count in peer review traps.

All is number and as Nikola Tesla is quoted as making clear the magnificence of 3|6|9 hold the secret to the universe. Have come full circle to Riemann Hypothesis and nothing new under the sun?

But wait... is there one thing new under the sun that the sphinx "points" to that points to the day and time of the second coming?

In my subjective truth of the universal unit cube, absolutely, perhaps. But is it our birth right of meru, or a simulation... sims and Shakespeare's play. Curious'er and curious'er :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: :money_mouth_face:

@cosmicsojourner, so let me present the views (selectively) of Ajit Vadakayil on this topic -

Well , as luck would have it , this man is as an ECCENTRIC genius , if there ever was one . How exactly he has acquired such deep knowledge of Vedic sciences , is a mystery . He is an iconoclast , his writings can appear to be extremely opinionated , contemptuous and downright RUDE :))

So , here's a Statutory Warning :)) Please proceed with CAUTION , at your own risk , should you choose to read the full text of Ajit's articles on Vedic sciences , his comments can be VERY offensive :-

Ajit Vadakayil

Sunday, July 24, 2011




It is about shifting internal frequency to match external frequency or vice-versa, to vibrate in harmony and unison. It can hardly be uttered in a rosgolla sweet sound of Anuradha Paudval, or the super thin " tum saamp mein sampera " type voice of our old nightingale Lata Mangeshkar


The sign of OM is the sign of Hinduism.

OM is the first and foremost of all mantras. Mantra is the sound body of consciousness.

Unless you see a video of CYMATICS ( patterns of sand on a tonoscope ) you will never understand the power of mantras.

OM is considered as the sound of Cosmic Energy and contains all the sounds in itself.

As per the Vedas OM is the sound of light.

The spiritual efficacy of Om is heard, not by the ears but by the heart . OM surcharges the innermost being of man with vibrations of the highest reality

The human ear can discern only a very narrow band between 20 Hz to 20000 Hz. The rest in inaudible. This is why NO cosmic sound can be heard by the human ear. These cosmic sounds were heard by rishis in their spiritual trances which broadened their sense spectrums.

However our brain can register the vibrations. Diviners use OM resonance to find water in arid areas. the spiritual efficacy of OM is NOT on the gross sound, but on the subtle sound which is heard by the heart and uttered by the mind.

Uttering of Om is identifying oneself with the cosmic resonance the efficacy of the mantric power of Om emanates not only from its sound vibrations, but also from the inner attitude of the speaker-- his spiritual purity and his freedom from worldliness.

The earth vibrates at 7.83 Hz and so does OM. The primordal vibrations of atoms and molecules is thus represented by OM. When 2 vibrating systems are in resonance with each other, a rise in the amplitude of the waves take place.

In our case, the brain and the global electric circuit resonance leads to a rise in amplitude in the waves dancing in our brain. Rise in amplitude causes a rise in our consciousness energy.

Chanting OM produces a sonorous vibration like the buzz of a mighty transformer. The vibrations produce scalar waves which calms the mind. It produces an antigravity effect on water, due to the science of cymatics , and your body is mostly water.

Th MMMM humming boosts the production of Nitric oxide in the body. This was known to Indians and documented 7000 years ago.

OM tone has a vibratory massage effect on your organs. The vibrations penetrate the deepest tissues and nerve cells, blood circulation round the body increases, bringing much more oxygen to different organs and the secretion of hormonal glands is also stimulated.

OM vibration generates electro-magnetic waves which propagate throughout the body making you feel more dynamic and joyful. Most importantly, this amplifies your ability to visualize.

OM opens up quantum tunneling, where the wormholes do NOT have a restriction of speed of light. DNA is a superconductor that stores light at body temperature, and can create magnetic wormholes in ZPF .. Microtubules and axional membranes are also hollow cylinders.

Vedic rishis arrived at this tone more than 11000 years ago, (which we can calculate mathematically) , "simply" through intuition and meditation while identifying themselves with Cosmic resonance. Vedic civilisation flourished on the banks of the river saraswati from 9000BC to 4000BC.

The secrets of this universe are contained in energy , frequency and vibration.

Chanting OM raises your vibration to a higher consciousness, and it clears the channel for intuition.

From the conch OM sound comes. This is why all Vedic Hindu temples have it. The puja room in my house has 2 king sized conches. The sound it produces is awesome.

Every Mudra has to be preceded by OM.

If you make the sound "Om" in front of a drop of liquid, it will transform itself into a sri yantra which is very specific visual form which is symmetrical and also holographic, in that every bit of it contains all of it.

When you show the symbol of OM in the mirror it becomes 786--the holy number on every Koran.

Chanting OM stimulated your Vagus nerve which releases anti-ageing neuro-trasnsmitters.. It helps regenerate your organs and cells by activating stem cells.

Resonances of earth, ie, 7.83, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz of earth. 7.83 hz being the strongest of all, OM or Schumann frequency.

Ohm- 7.83 Hz
Gam - 14 Hz
Hleem - 20 Hz
Hreem - 26 Hz
Kleem - 33 Hz
Krowm - 39 Hz
Sreem - 45 Hz













Opposing forces Tamas and Rajas are connected through consciousness ( yin-yang ). The middle prong of Shiva’s trident is Sattwa. It is about quantum possibility vortex vibrations, between two poles, we call the cosmic dance of Shiva from either side of the Quantum screen... Together they express the great void at absolute peace with itself. To activate the third eye of Shiva, or to perceive higher dimensions, the pineal gland ( soul ) and the pituitary glands ( body ) must vibrate in resonance to create a field. This is represented by Samudra manthan in Hindu mythology, where mount meru is used to churn the oceans for Amrit or Ambrosia in a to and fro movement , representing vibrations.. The amrit of the ambrosia or Soma is the holy grail. This is what the Templar knights got after excavating King Solomon's temple. Soma is a divine LSD-- rather a million times more powerful DMT. A 12 strand Maharishi with NIL junk DNA can produce it naturally, by resonating his pineal gland with his DNA, and achieve telepathy and psychic teleportation. The psychedelic journeys are accessed and experienced within the realms of the pineal gland. The pineal gland is the Shiva lingam. Serotonin has the same chemical structure as this hallucinogenic substance Soma. Serotonin is transformed into melatonin only in the pineal gland. Decline in melatonin is the trigger for the aging process, for Melatonin is the super-oxidant of nature. The hormone Melatonin, induces sleep, while Serotonin, keeps you happy and in a balanced mental state of mind. PROZAC raises serotonin. The pineal gland produces Pinoline, ( 6-methoxy-tetra-dydro-beta carboline, or 6-MeO-THBC ) . Pinoline also resonates with the very pulse of life 7.83 Hertz, the pulse the DNA uses to replicate, and which has been measured to be emitted from the brains and hands of all successful healers, regardless of belief or faith. OM king mantra is 7.843 hertz. Resonance can vibrate the pineal gland, to release Nuerotransmitter seratonin, melatonin, DMT, etc. If you have a strong enough sense of consciousness you will taste a huge pituitary release in the back of your mouth and sinuses and throat, it is referred to as ambrosia ( amrit -- mental orgasm discharge ) . This is a result of DMT production . DMT is the spirit molecule that bends space-time. Pineal DMT is the chemical messenger which links body and spirit. Dimethyltryptamine, a psychedelic tryptamine Pinoline enables the threshold levels of DMT to become active in the brain, but it requires an instant bungee jump induced adrenaline burst. DMT with Pinoline increases brain activation multi fold. You cant observe the quantum world without your Pineal gland -- the other 5 senses have too narrow bandwidths. Quantum physics has showed the ancient Indian Yogis were NOT mere dreamers of cosmic consciousness, where our bodies, our brain and its mind, as inextricably joined with other matter and the mega dipole of universe . There is indeed a connection between consciousness and tangled state quantum phenomena Indian Vedic maharishis had the inherent ability to go on either side of the narrow band of five human senses. THEY COULD TRANSCEND THE SENSES AND LIMITATION OF SPACE-TIME. They firmly believed that the invisible below the quantum screen gives rise to the visible. At the time of death Seratonin and Melatonin in the brain breaks down to Dimethyltryptamine or DMT, C12 N2 H16, just after the oxygen stops circulating. This is the moment for the ultimate DMT trip. You see your whole past life as FRACTAL dvine geometry. When you consume Soma, colours , sounds and numbers all show up as fractal geometry. What you have learnt in the past is of no use to you. As you breathe in the oxygen enters your brain and causes an explosion of fractal colours. To the spiritual eastern mind, the story of SAMUDRA MANTHAN produces amazing acts of faith like the Kumbh Mela , which has been going on for 6000 years. Tamas and Rajas are conscious of each other. Amrit reveals the fractal nature of consciousness. Amrit is NOT external, it is produced inside your head. All you need to know is how to produce it by your own mind. 12 strand DNA which ancient Maharishis had, has now degraded to 2 strand DNA. These 12 strand DNA maharishis with raised Kundalinis , can read akashik records , convert them from fractal geometry, for daily life use. The cobra on Lord Shiva 's shoulders shows raised Kundalini and open third eye. This self realisation (of opening the third eye) , is the ultimate goal of consciousness.


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Well the eccentric is elliptic in ellipsis, and necessary for a sojourn outside the mundane zeitgeist, and I embrace the label personally as I abhor "normal" outside 90 degrees of ouroborus!

From a cursory scan I see deep coherence with my cosmology and will scan further. A picture says a thousand words and the message is my focus, never the conduit through which it is offered. Judgement kills thought and growth in gnosis.

The spiritual efficacy of Om is heard, not by the ears but by the heart .

And the heart, hand and eYe are integral with the 12 cranial ner pairs. Again, the sacred heart of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene are the center of my work @sidharthabahadur in the sacred form of geometric law.

Cosmic sound is superluminal in my cosmology (geomtric) and the heartbeat is fractal; eternal, infinite in unconditional love and the cosmic egg of creation is the center of the heart beat within the loom that weaves space and time that I hope to define in interferometry of gnosis, outside beLIEf.

@cosmicsojourner , great to see your views...then you probably believe in the existence of scalar forces and scalar energy or the "Vril" . The same is called "Prana" in Sanskrit and "Chi" in Chinese . Scalar waves are simply ripples in the ether that exhibit non-locality both in time and in space .

It is ironical that those who steadfastly refuse to believe in the existence of such forces in our cosmos , begin to accept the same , only when they realise that the most dangerous weapons (already) in existence , are scalar weapons...!


Absolutely @sidharthabahadur I am in CA, and the fires of late are perhaaps related.

[](Konstantin Meyl) is a good reference, as is Torsion Field physics of Nikolai Kozyrev from cold war USSR classified science. They are doing amazing thing in Russia with this tech.

Remember there is nothing new under the sun, we are remembering, the Great Sethahedron/Chestahedron prhaps intermediate.

Are you familiar with Rudolph Steiner?

@cosmicsojourner , the funny thing is , any talk of scalar waves and the Einstein worshippers start sweating , because guess what - Einstein's framework of Relativity was built on the pillar of a baseline assumption that there is no Ether . So , if there is no ether , then how can there be Scalar waves that are nothing but ripples in the Ether ??

Instead , Einstein created his warped idea of Gravitational waves , that have no basis in reality , but continue to confuse physicists till this day .

BTW , yes - I am familiar with the work of Rudolf Steiner .


Agreed @sidharthabahadur! But brace yourself for this as it is as big as the Dali Lama, on a personal level.

Nassim appears to be in that number who remain tied to the "particle" agenda, or simply has the wisdom to know he must pretend to be if he is to crack the egg shell of quackedemic cognitive dissonance and bias. But so few innerstand that it has long been held in the occult, and antiquity of mythology, the truth of the nature of being.

As the Egyptians said, "There is nothing new under the sun" and weighed the heart against the feather before the Bardo (Alan Greens play on word with the BardCode at is relevant). Perhaps, except the Chestahedron, as the only evidence of the occult with that is the Great Sethahedron, that appears on the scene 74 years BEFORE Frank claims to have discovered it, and I found it shortly after posted 1/29/2020, the year of optimal vision.

I contend that it is a manifestation of mine, profound, through focused intent along a very challenging path within I have sacrificed all for TRUTH.

To preface much of what I share, one thing Einstein did get right is his quote "Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous", which play's a key role (roll) in my epistemology, as I agree with Shakespeare (shake-spear, I can explain) that "All the world is a stage, and we are merely actors in a play", and contend superposition and entanglement are the fundamental nature of coincidence in space, and synchronicity in time, respectively.

I named my son Seth for reasons I could not explain at the time. Then after years studying the Chestahedron of Frank Chester, just this year it showed up on the "scene" of my play with the form of the Pythagorean triangle 1-Phi-1, and the "creator" Seth G Beach lived in El Dorado County 2 hours east of me, AND was apparently a Freemason!

Further, Frank said he found the sticks used to make his first model along the American River, which is within cycling distance ~30 minutes and I was brought to Sacramento through masive synchronicity as the Sacrament and the Seven Sorrows of Mary Magdalene and sacred geometry of the sacred heart of Jesus, AND the confluence of the Sacramento River and the American River to correspond with a confluence (Y, WHY) in Cairo IL, and Egypt!

I can and likely will write a book of all the signs and synchronicity that brought me from the engineer that came to conclusion re 911 in 2002 that demolished my world view along with THREE towers, one Building 7 (my life path #) to "correspond" to the 7 faces of the Great Sethahedron/Chestahedron, and so much more.

Regarding Steiner, and signs and synchronicities of coincidence. In1997 after graduating with a BS in engineering from San Diego State I "cycled" across the US from San Diego (Pacific Beach) to Virginia Beach, and 7/2/1997 road through Cairo IL. The reason was to raise money for an education fund, as the summer prior, 3 engineering professors were murdered in the engineering department of SDSU by a grad student defending his thesis. One of them was my all time favorite, who taught under grad mechanics of materials, which is all based in the analysis of stress and strain of a cubic structure... 1996, he was 36, I was 33, and I could go on, and have recently concluded he looks like he could be related to Nikola Tesla!

NOW what does this all have to do with Giza and Alan Green and Nassim and now the Dali Lama? And more recently Havana Cuba (cube-uh) and Colon Cemetery in tribute to Christopher Columbus, who Alan has not spoken of and who's son San Diego was named after. I was moved from through divine intervention, and where I started that cycling trip from in Pacific Beach and the term manifest destiny to End at a trident road configuration in Virginia Bech, where 7 years later a massive statue of Poseidon was constructed on the shore where I dipped my front tire, in the Atlantic Ocean?

And regardig Steiner, Egypt, and The United States of America... you may want to get a beverage:

Part 2 (click Link) evaluates our CONSCIOUSNESS SOUL from the 5th Age of our American Perspective

Part 3 (Click Link) evaluates SPIRIT-SELF, Manas and challenges of the 6th Age

Part 4 (Click Link is Ready HERE) evaluates the 7th Age of Capricorn, Life-Spirit, Budhi, and the Eighth Sphere

@cosmicsojourner , the material you have shared in this post is vast and also represents a complete world view of it's own - I agree with you that "it has long been held in the occult, and antiquity of mythology, the truth of the nature of being."

I notice striking similarities with Theosophy in general and the writings of H P Blavatsky in particular .

The relationship between Rudolf Steiner and the Theosophical Society , co-founded in 1875 by H.P. Blavatsky with Henry Steel Olcott and others, was a complex and changing one...


Indeed @sidharthabahadur such is the nature of truth, it is never absolute within a single soul and we all have a mirror that reflects a perspective of a snowflake to create the mosaic of creation, every changing and evolving; love back-words. George Gurdjieff too is integral in my work with the NEYEN in the circle of life in cycle and epicycle in the Breath of the Compassionate.

Superb! Exceptional Info...