[HollowPlanets] blake and john mc fun :) (a bit off topic)

Frei_Blake · December 8, 2000, 7:05pm

John,
More God stuff...

Scriptures are clear (Biblical, in this case) that there are many Gods...

Genesis 3:5

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be
opened, and ye shall be as GODS, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after our likeness: and let them
have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and
over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that
creepeth upon the earth.

The point of confusion between the LDS church and other beliefs comes from
(1) understanding the nature of God, and (2) knowing whom to worship.
Everyone agrees that we are only supposed to worship one God, our creator.
Because other mainstream theologies have had no revelation concerning the
nature of God, and continue to misinterpret scripture, they think that there
is only one God. This belief originates from a doctrine mandated at the
council of Nicene by some men who never saw God or knew Christ. Further,
people have taken the good belief all should worship only one God to an
extreme by saying that Christ and God must, therefore, be the same person.

Just because a Mormon will claim that there are many gods, or that we have
the potential to be like God, doesn't mean we worship all of them. We
worship God the Father (Elohim), who is our creator and the creator of
countless worlds and people. He is THE MAN. We believe he is the father of
Jesus Christ (Jehovah) and all those who have lived on this earth. We
worship God the Father through Jesus Christ, our brother, because following
Christ's example is the only way to return to God. Equal respect is given to
both God the Father and Jesus Christ because they are equals in both purpose
and righteousness, but each play different roles. Christ is the example, the
Savior of this people and this world. Under the Father's supervision, Christ
is a "creator" because he created this physical world and all things on (and
in) it. (Whereas God the Father created us and the world spiritually,
first). We pray to the Father in Christ's name, as instructed. Christ, in
every respect, is like his father. That accounts for two Gods right there.

We know that by following Christ's example we can become like God. It's a
sweet message. Not everyone agrees with it--and, quite frankly, I don't
understand why.

Blake

···

-----Original Message-----
From: john mcalpin [mailto:[email protected]]
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HollowPlanets] blake and john mc fun (a bit off topic)

rod

i, personally, have no problem with this multiple god's
concept; however, as i said, i would normally prefer to use
some other term than "God" (at least, God with a capital G) to
refer to this multiplicity of gods. but, that is a semantics
thing.

i am not at all familiar with this "Archo" thing. what is
this? is the christian mainstream accepting of this
document? and, is there any biblical evidence for the
existence of multiple gods?

john mc

"Rodney M. Cluff" wrote:

John,

It is interesting that No. 1 item on the list Caiaphas,
High Priest of the Sanhedrim had for condemning Jesus
Christ to death was: "First, with teaching the doctrine
that there are more gods than one, which is contrary to the
teachings of Jewish law, which he (Jesus) most positively
refuses to desist from in the presence of this court."
- p. 114, The Archo Volume, the historical records of Jesus.

It would seem that "mainstream christianity" is more inline
with the Jewish relgion rather than what Jesus taught. The
LDS religion comes directly from Jesus Christ, no changes,
no if's, ors, ands or buts. It is the gospel of Jesus Christ
restored in its purity -- the true christian religion.

In fact, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is
destined to become the mainstream religion during this
millennium. In a recent article in US
News and World Report, it was reported that because of it's
rapid growth, the LDS church will be the 2nd largest christian
religion by 2080. That's because we adhere strictly to
the actual teachings of Jesus Christ, who is it's head.

Rod

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---- On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, john mcalpin ([email protected]) wrote:

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> blake :) 
> 
> with your belief about "god" / "gods," it is no
> wonder why the 
> mainstream christian community view you and your church as a 
> cult. your beliefs are very different from the christian 
> mainstream. 
> 
> this is NOT a condemnation of you or your church !!! it is 
> just an observation :) 
> 
> i totally understand your perspective about god and gods, and 
> basically i can see the possibility of the truth in it. the 
> problem is simply one of semantics (in other words, there is 
> NO problem) hehe i just dont define the term
> "god" in 
> the same way you do. 
> 
> for me, "god" is that universal matrix of consciousness
> from 
> which ALL other things have sprung - this would include the 
> things which you call gods. 
> 
> one of these days i am going to have to join your church :) 
> 
> john mc 
> 
> :) 
> 
> p.s. OH -- another question for you... please tell me
> what 
> the mormon church teaches "The Holy Spirit" to actually be.
> 
> what exactly IS "The Holy Spirit" from the Mormon
> perspective 
> ?? 
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ROY_BARRUS · December 12, 2000, 3:35pm

Blake,

You are doing a good job of representing The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints. One of the questions we all need to ask ourselves
is, even if we do prove the HE theory and are allowed to live there, what
happens when we die? Where do we go? What role do we play?
Is there an organized plan or a purpose to continuing life after this life?
The teachings of the above mentioned church are the only teachings that
I am yet aware of that seem to answer with affirmity what this plan or
purpose is. I hope we have goals and ambitions beyond the HE alone.

Roy

"Frei, Blake" wrote:

···

John,

More God stuff...
Scriptures are clear (Biblical, in this case) that there are many Gods...

Genesis 3:5

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be

opened, and ye shall be as GODS, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after our likeness: and let them

have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and

over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that

creepeth upon the earth.

The point of confusion between the LDS church and other beliefs comes from

(1) understanding the nature of God, and (2) knowing whom to worship.

Everyone agrees that we are only supposed to worship one God, our creator.

Because other mainstream theologies have had no revelation concerning the

nature of God, and continue to misinterpret scripture, they think that there

is only one God. This belief originates from a doctrine mandated at the

council of Nicene by some men who never saw God or knew Christ. Further,

people have taken the good belief all should worship only one God to an

extreme by saying that Christ and God must, therefore, be the same person.

Just because a Mormon will claim that there are many gods, or that we have

the potential to be like God, doesn't mean we worship all of them. We

worship God the Father (Elohim), who is our creator and the creator of

countless worlds and people. He is THE MAN. We believe he is the father of

Jesus Christ (Jehovah) and all those who have lived on this earth. We

worship God the Father through Jesus Christ, our brother, because following

Christ's example is the only way to return to God. Equal respect is given to

both God the Father and Jesus Christ because they are equals in both purpose

and righteousness, but each play different roles. Christ is the example, the

Savior of this people and this world. Under the Father's supervision, Christ

is a "creator" because he created this physical world and all things on (and

in) it. (Whereas God the Father created us and the world spiritually,

first). We pray to the Father in Christ's name, as instructed. Christ, in

every respect, is like his father. That accounts for two Gods right there.

We know that by following Christ's example we can become like God. It's a

sweet message. Not everyone agrees with it--and, quite frankly, I don't

understand why.

Blake

-----Original Message-----

From: john mcalpin [mailto:[email protected]]

Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:04 AM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [HollowPlanets] blake and john mc fun :) (a bit off topic)

rod :)

i, personally, have no problem with this multiple god's

concept; however, as i said, i would normally prefer to use

some other term than "God" (at least, God with a capital G) to

refer to this multiplicity of gods. but, that is a semantics

thing.

i am not at all familiar with this "Archo" thing. what is

this? is the christian mainstream accepting of this

document? and, is there any biblical evidence for the

existence of multiple gods?

john mc

:)

"Rodney M. Cluff" wrote:

>

> John,

>

> It is interesting that No. 1 item on the list Caiaphas,

> High Priest of the Sanhedrim had for condemning Jesus

> Christ to death was: "First, with teaching the doctrine

> that there are more gods than one, which is contrary to the

> teachings of Jewish law, which he (Jesus) most positively

> refuses to desist from in the presence of this court."

> - p. 114, The Archo Volume, the historical records of Jesus.

>

> It would seem that "mainstream christianity" is more inline

> with the Jewish relgion rather than what Jesus taught. The

> LDS religion comes directly from Jesus Christ, no changes,

> no if's, ors, ands or buts. It is the gospel of Jesus Christ

> restored in its purity -- the true christian religion.

>

> In fact, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is

> destined to become the mainstream religion during this

> millennium. In a recent article in US

> News and World Report, it was reported that because of it's

> rapid growth, the LDS church will be the 2nd largest christian

> religion by 2080. That's because we adhere strictly to

> the actual teachings of Jesus Christ, who is it's head.

>

> Rod

>

> Next Year in Eden!

>

> Could the earth, moon, planets and stars

> all be hollow bodies?

> Amazingly, the answer is Yes!

> And very likely inhabited within!

> Come join us on our voyage of discovery...

> [http://www.ourhollowearth.com/](http://www.ourhollowearth.com/)

>

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> ---- On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, john mcalpin ([email protected]) wrote:

>

> > <html><body>

> > <tt>

> > 

> > blake :) 

> > 

> > with your belief about "god" / "gods," it is no

> > wonder why the 

> > mainstream christian community view you and your church as a 

> > cult. your beliefs are very different from the christian 

> > mainstream. 

> > 

> > this is NOT a condemnation of you or your church !!! it is 

> > just an observation :) 

> > 

> > i totally understand your perspective about god and gods, and 

> > basically i can see the possibility of the truth in it. the 

> > problem is simply one of semantics (in other words, there is 

> > NO problem) hehe :) i just dont define the term

> > "god" in 

> > the same way you do. 

> > 

> > for me, "god" is that universal matrix of consciousness

> > from 

> > which ALL other things have sprung - this would include the 

> > things which you call gods. 

> > 

> > one of these days i am going to have to join your church :) 

> > 

> > john mc 

> > 

> > :) 

> > 

> > p.s. OH -- another question for you... please tell me

> > what 

> > the mormon church teaches "The Holy Spirit" to actually be.

> > 

> > what exactly IS "The Holy Spirit" from the Mormon

> > perspective 

> > ?? 

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deandddd · December 12, 2000, 5:23pm

Roy,

That whole conversation was happening on the Hollow Planets list; you have responded to Blake on the allplanets-hollow list.

While I have always been intrigued by the HE stance of the Church of the Latter-Day Saints, I dare to suggest that it would be a bit off topic to talk about the church and its philosophy here.

Your Friend,

Dean.

···

Blake,
You are doing a good job of representing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. One of the questions we all need to ask ourselves is, even if we do prove the HE theory and are allowed to live there, what happens when we die? Where do we go? What role do we play? Is there an organized plan or a purpose to continuing life after this life? The teachings of the above mentioned church are the only teachings that I am yet aware of that seem to answer with affirmity what this plan or purpose is. I hope we have goals and ambitions beyond the HE alone.

Roy

"Frei

ROY_BARRUS · December 13, 2000, 12:46am

Dean,
Sincerely sorry. : )

Roy

Dean wrote:

···

Roy, That
whole conversation was happening on the Hollow Planets list; you have responded
to Blake on the allplanets-hollow list. While I have always
been intrigued by the HE stance of the Church of the Latter-Day Saints,
I dare to suggest that it would be a bit off topic to talk about the church
and its philosophy here. Your Friend, Dean.

Blake,
You are doing a good job of representing The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints. One of the questions we all need to ask ourselves
is, even if we do prove the HE theory and are allowed to live there, what
happens when we die? Where do we go? What role do we play?
Is there an organized plan or a purpose to continuing life after this life?
The teachings of the above mentioned church are the only teachings that
I am yet aware of that seem to answer with affirmity what this plan or
purpose is. I hope we have goals and ambitions beyond the HE alone.

Roy

"Frei

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