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Re: Dick's comment about EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL INSTALLATIODick-

About your reservations on the validity of Branton's material, I have to agree that a grain of salt is necessary. I don't feel that any of the concepts which we discuss on this list depend on Branton's material, not at all. He has passed along some interesting and valid information, but there are other things which we can only wonder about.

Why wouldn't he run across good info- he has at least some capability. There are anecdotes about the discovery of underground cavern worlds which are not too hard to accept. On the other hand, he might have gone too far about the Deros and Teros. But I don't absolutely discount even that information, it's just that I can't personally confirm it, nor stand by it.

I do feel that the our world's instituions tend to be very much controlled and infiltrated by aliens, the Greys, or whatever you may call them. And I feel that they are based underground, and that, unfortunately, we only have a few specks of testimony in this regard. But again, this concept doesn't depend on Branton.

It'slikeanything, you have to sift through. Everybody comes up with some good stuff, and everybody is off the mark at some point, at least.

DDD

Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Dick's comment about EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL INSTALLATION IN DULCE, NEW MEXICO

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Dean and All... (From Dick Fojut),
Apparently the above ending comment below the URL is from DK. (The URL didn't open for me??? "404 - not found") But after reading the Dulce email excerpts, I thoroughly agree; I too am VERY SUSPICIOUS about accuracy in the stories about the Dulce facility. I SUSPECT much written is shock-fantasy paraded as fact. What is true is difficult for me to perceive. And I find similarities in it with that put out by now-comatose researcher Branton. Or did this Dulce stuff come FROM Branton? Or someone else?

In recent days I have gone to BRANTON'S Omega site and read his MANY "here's the absolute truth" statements about just about EVERYTHING imaginable! Dulce, Area 51, the Russian revolution, "The World New Order," - even mention of Al Bielek seeming to support Branton's great personal fear about NAZIS! Branton appears to have a great personal fear that the NAZIS (with NAZI-Rockefeller's help) will arise and attempt to conquer the world!

Al was our personal friend of 30 plus years back, long BEFORE he remembered ANYTHING at all about the Eldridge, when he was merely a hard working free-lance contract engineer solving problems for various national companies. Al was then a well read genius, with a super memory, who could spontaneously and convincingly "lecture" on most SCIENTIFIC matters of past and present, such as the "precise" behind the scene offensive and defensive capabilities of the Soviets, though he obviously had no direct first hand knowledge. Was Al privately a "remote viewer?" I doubt it. And the Al Bielek we knew at that time would never have seen a "NAZI" threat. Al was well aware of the internationalists and bankers who financed Hitler (originally) and Lenin. And it wasn't ONLY the people Branton sees. We had many discussions about these matters with Al.

Yes, rightly or wrongly, I also remain suspicious of the INCREASING Eldridge tale from Al - and his several friends now backing him up. From his original simple story of being transported to another time, the tale has "extrapolated" into regular government controlled time travel, his spirit being placed in a new baby body, and the story has even brought in the Grey ETs! And the tale continues to increase each time I read something new posted on the web. I HOPE Al and his current supporting cohorts are telling the truth, but I remain suspicious.

And Branton also writes about the "300 Americans" that became Russia's absolute leaders after Lenin took over, of which I personally know more than Branton appears to be aware of. They were NOT Rockefeller's direct agents (America's "tools"), although Rockefeller, ROTHSCHILD (whose name Branton seems NOT to mention) and other super rich "Oligarchs" here in America, England and Europe, certainly approved AND financially assisted Lenin's takeover. In my assessment, Branton provides a mixture of conspiratorial truth, partial truth and non-truth, or intentional or non-intentional DISinformation. It is left to each reader to discern which of his many, many "facts" have validity..

To say that, like the DK email excerpts, I am EQUALLY SUSPICIOUS of much that Branton has presented in his Omega File especially, is mild. I'd like to comment further and specifically about that in the future, but not tonight.

But I personally feel little in Branton's BROAD, BROAD text analyses (about "everything" conspiratorial), have little to do about supporting the existence OR denying the existence of the HE, UFO tales aside. It's the UFOS possibly coming from the HE that seems to give some list members interest in Branton's material.

One possible exception... I also read Branton giving his dissertation about HOW the earth was formed. I found it (unorthodox, which is okay), fanciful - but full of "holes" throughout. In my opinion, Branton should stick to conspiracy research, and leave that subject to others like Forster.

This will possibly disturb those list members who appear to hold Branton's varied pronouncements on a "pedestal" of near-absolute truth. I really don't care. Aside from some matters Branton has presented that I have personal knowledge of and feel are reasonably accurate, there are many OTHER pronouncements of Branton that I presently find untrue, partially untrue and/or "suspicious" of being DISinformation. - Dick

(From Dick) Dean... That's why I wrote: "In my assessment, Branton provides a mixture of conspiratorial truth, partial truth and non-truth, or intentional or non-intentional DISinformation. It is left to each reader to discern which of his many, many "facts" have validity."

I too, went through all the Dero-Tero tale in the early 1950s. Finally came to doubt any real world REALITY about it then. Still doubt it. Thought back then that Shaver may have had a purely Psychic fantasy, unrelated to this 3-dimensional "real" world. But wasn't sure that conclusion was correct then, or now. Still leaving it on my mental shelf as a "Shaver" mystery.

And frankly, at this moment I do not see solid evidence (for me) that Aliens, Greys (Serpent ETs, or whatever) have "controlled and infiltrated" our world's institutions. Human GREED and an insatiable desire for MORE CONTROL over others, seems to me to sufficient to explain the criminal, evil behaviour of the individuals and groups manipulating world affairs behind the scene in the past and now. I had a Lutheran Minister friend (and source of much of which I learned during the Korean War about those same individuals and groups) who ALSO was personally convinced "SATAN" was in control of them! But he had no real-world PROOF to support that aside from his own private conviction. And never dared say so in print.

David Icke also tossed in the idea of satanic ET "controllers" behind those "world manipulators" in his otherwise ACCURATE research, at the end of his "And the Truth Will Set You Free" book... but I didn't get any certainty on what Icke wrote. Now Icke is apparently stressing such as real threats.

I personally may be too Pollyanish about all of this and some of this Greys, ET's, etc.stuff may be more "real" than just in Psychic dimensions. I have no countering evidence to prove that Greys, ETs or Satanic entities are not controlling world events. But I retain my Pollyanish inner "feeling" that God's "White" Agents (or whatever) are in ultimate command of this world and universe... and evil ETs and Satanic forces (if they exist in our world affairs) are very limited in power.

Perhaps I have some unusual personal "protection," but for 50 years I have written several thousands of CAUSTIC letters (and FAXES - and emails in recent years) that should have marked me as a "target" by angry recipients in the media and government (which used to worry my wife). Yet I've NEVER been threatened or "attacked" outwardly (or psychically so far as I am aware). Certainly David Icke must feel so "protected."

Perhaps there is solid reality behind that "though you walk through the valley of the shadow of death, IF you fear no evil... Etc.

  • Dick

: There is one thing that we could do to zero in on the meaning of the
comment below. : We could get a hold of the originaland find out
exactly what Sanskrit word is used.

Sure.

: Do you know if the author, Krishna Dharma, translated the book
himself, or did he
: rely on previous translations and just compile it?

He mentions relying mainly on MN Dutt´s complete English version. For
more ask him
directly ([email protected]).

Jan

JanJM,

I triedwriting him at that address and got an error message. What is the
origin of that address?

Dharma/Dean

The original message was received at Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:40:45 -0300
from srv16-sao.sao.terra.com.br [200.177.250.148]

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From Venus, Venera Nine and the Puranas:

" This picture of Venus, taken by the Venera 13 space probe, corresponds to astronomers typical descriptions of the planet- that it is a lifeless desert. Does such a description invalidate the Puranic descriptions of life on other planets, including the ones along Bhu Mandala, the plane of the planetary orbits, our solar system?

Maybe the question really is, can we trust this picture? The Venera 9 lander, for example, passed through an upper atmosphere in which clouds swirl around at 360 kilometers per hour, and reported a surface temperature of 900* F. We are assured that the lander carried an ample cooling system for its mission, but we all may want to ask what material the parachute was made of! It opened up at 60 kilometers above the surface of the planet. Even assuming that the craft was able to parachute through the 360 kilometer per hour winds, the question remains: What could that parachute have been made of that it did not melt nor burn during a 60 kilometer descent at 900*F? NASA ( Never A Straight Answer ) seems to have met its match in the Russian space agency.

The Bhagavat Purana paints a different description of the planet. In the ninth canto, 18th chapter, a narration describes the activities of Devayani, the daughter of Shukra- the predominating deity of the Venus. According to the Puranic descriptions, the predominating deity of a planet is the soul personified of the planet.

There, a palace garden is described full of lotuses, and trees of flowers and fruits, inhabited by sweetly singing birds and bumble bees. It is described that lotus-eyed girls took a walk along the bank of a reservoir. At one point in the narration, Shukra-Acharya, Devayanis father, made a comment about grains in the field. According to this description, Venus seems to harbor life as on Earth. "

Gardner on Mars

A GLEAM FROM CENTRAL SUN OF MARS

Obviously it was a gleam from the central sun of Mars that Mitchell saw, and
the reason it faded was because cloudy weather gradually obscured the
interior atmosphere of Mars. [ Or did internal agitation by the inner sun
subside? ] And when Green and Lowell saw it a small cloud had passed over
the face of the interior sun and that broke the gleam into two projecting
beams with this opacity between them so that to Lowell two separated parts
of the area of the Martian sun were visible and each sent its rays of light
direct into his telescope. [ Or does the internal sun of Mars shine through
separate openings at the poles? ]