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From: Heather Herres
To: 'Dean De Lucia'
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: Gardner's Book
--- Dean De Lucia <[email protected]>
Hello Dean,
Yes I am aware of Etidohpa at your site, but I was
looking for the actual book itself. "The Nonexistent
Continent" is an artical I cut out from "Our
Fascinating Earth" in the newspaper. Here it is:
During the voyages of Captain James Cook
(1768,1775)he searched for a fabled continent, Tera
Australia, supposedly lying in Southern Oceans. Near
the rumored location he noticed clear icebergs and
correctly assumed they had broken from a land mass
beyond the Antarctic Circle. He never did sight the
Land but named it anyway---He called it ANTARCTICA! It
was actually Discovered 50 YEARS LATER!
Do you think that the so-called-land, Terra Australia
that Cook was referring to could have been the
southern frontiers of the inner world through the
south polar opening of Antarctica?
Have you heard of the Piri Re'is map, dated 1513? It
is said by Eric von Daniken to show mountains in
Antarctica-centuries before they were discovered by
Europeans-buried deep under snow and ice. Von Daniken
said the map is based on aerial photographs. But
cartographers have pointed out that the map in fact
holds few mysteries and is a noticeably inaccurate
compilation of several different charts.
Could it be possible that those mountains were from
the inner world?
What do you make of it?
--Russ
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Just a reminder to everyone that on March 11th the
Discovery Channel will be showing "The Land of the
Mammoth" a sequel to "Raising the Mammoth" which was
shown last April.
Gardner Believed that mammoths are not extinct but
are living in the earths Interior. I belive him as
well as the fact that there are many other prehistoric
life forms under the Earths surface.
Russ
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Hello Dean,
Yes I am aware of Etidohpa at your site, but I was
looking for the actual book itself.
Russ,
You can get the book on www.bibliofind.com
usually between $5.00 and $10.00.
Dean
Russ,
I think it is possible that an ancient map survived somehow. Piri Rei was
Turkish, right? Maybe from Plato's time. Plato talked about a God who is
sitting in the center of the Earth or something, right? maybe they had some
understanding back then.
Ralph has posted a few things and suggested that Antartica might have been
Atlantis. Maybe Plato and the Middle Eastern people knew about
Atlantis/Antartica and the hollow Earth, maybe the knowledge was still alive
in the collective memory of the people, or maybe just of the nobility and
such, who knows? I mean, if the Tibetans had it in their collective memories
until now, why couldn't the Greeks and Middle Easteners have conserved it
until 2,000 years ago? In the hollow Earth in the Puranas page/ HE Puranas ?
I give good evidence of direct mention of the Hollow Earth in the Puranas,
and the Jan on our list ( not Janice! ) presents some evidence about the
nagas being in the inner shell from the Mahabharat, where the Bhagavad Gita
is also found. The Puranas, Mahabharata and Gita were revised in " post "
Vedic Sanskrit a good 2,000 years ago, or maybe written down for the first
time 2,000 years ago- but they represent traditions which are much older,
purported to be 5,000 years old. Purported by a culture already advanced in
algebra, astronomy, calender systems, and which possessed a sophisticated
language like Sanskrit, said to be " deva nagari," the language of the gods.
It beats the pants off of English. The Vedic culture extended directly into
Persia at least, and Turkey is the same thing. So if the Hindus knew, the
Turks knew. As the ancient knowledge was blotted out by the rise of
Mohamedism, there might have been a few groups or families that conserved
some of the knoledge from before, and that might explain how such a map
would up in the hands of Piri Rei.
Dharma/Dean
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From: "Russell Viers" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Antarctica!
--- Dean De Lucia <[email protected]>
Hello Dean,
Yes I am aware of Etidohpa at your site, but I was
looking for the actual book itself. "The Nonexistent
Continent" is an artical I cut out from "Our
Fascinating Earth" in the newspaper. Here it is:During the voyages of Captain James Cook
(1768,1775)he searched for a fabled continent, Tera
Australia, supposedly lying in Southern Oceans. Near
the rumored location he noticed clear icebergs and
correctly assumed they had broken from a land mass
beyond the Antarctic Circle. He never did sight the
Land but named it anyway---He called it ANTARCTICA! It
was actually Discovered 50 YEARS LATER!Do you think that the so-called-land, Terra Australia
that Cook was referring to could have been the
southern frontiers of the inner world through the
south polar opening of Antarctica?Have you heard of the Piri Re'is map, dated 1513? It
is said by Eric von Daniken to show mountains in
Antarctica-centuries before they were discovered by
Europeans-buried deep under snow and ice. Von Daniken
said the map is based on aerial photographs. But
cartographers have pointed out that the map in fact
holds few mysteries and is a noticeably inaccurate
compilation of several different charts.Could it be possible that those mountains were from
the inner world?What do you make of it?
--Russ__________________________________________________
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the story of the Piri Reis
map began in 1501, just nine years after Columbus discovered the
New World, when Kemal Reis, a captain in the Ottoman fleet,
captured seven ships off the coast of Spain, interrogated the
crews and discovered that one man had sailed with Columbus on his
great voyages of discovery. More important, in an age when maps
were secret and maritime information invaluable, the sailor had
in his possession a map of the New World drawn by Columbus
himself. Kemal Reis seized the map, kept it and subsequently
willed it to his nephew Piri Reis, also an Ottoman naval captain,
and a cartographer.
In 1511, the story goes on, Piri Reis began to draw a new
map of the world which was to incorporate all of the recent
Spanish and Portuguese discoveries. To do so, he used about 20
source maps. Among them, he wrote, were eight maps of the world
done in the time of Alexander the Great (the fourth century
B.C.), an Arab map of India, four Portuguese maps of the Indian
Ocean and China,a nd his uncle Kemal's bequest, "a map drawn by
Colombo in the western region." He did not, however, say what
the other six source maps were.
In Gallipoli, where he temporarily retired, Piri Reis
reduced his source maps to a single scale--a difficult task in
those days--and spent three years producing his map. When it was
finished he added this inscription: "The author of this is the
humble Piri ibn Hajji Muhammad, known as the nephew of Kemal
Reis, in the town of Gallipoli in the Holy Month of Muharram of
the year 919 [A.D. 1513]."
This map, presented to Sultan Selim, seems to have helped
the career of Piri Reis. He was made an admiral. But it was not
Piri Reis' only contribution to cartography. In 1521 he also
wrote a mariner's guide to the coasts and islands of the
Mediterranean--which was to interest the cartographers trying to
authenticate the map found in Istanbul. Called "Kitab-i Bahriye"
("Book of the Mariner," or "The Naval Handbook"), this book
contained an account of the discovery of America by Columbus that
was virtually identical to a long inscription on the left hand
side of the map found in the archives of Istanbul.
The map found in Istanbul, therefore, is authentic. Al-
though research has never disclosed what the six unlisted sources
were, or further identified the eight "done in the time of
Alexander the Great," there is no doubt that one source was a map
drawn or used by Christopher Columbus himself.
There is little doubt, either, that both Piri Reis' map and
book were valuable to the Ottoman Empire. Focusing, as they both
did, on discoveries by Spanish and Portuguese mariners, they
probably alerted the sultan to the growing threat to Ottoman
power posed by European exploration of the Indian Ocean and the
Arabian Gulf.
Ironically, Piri Reis' book--in which he urged Suleiman the
Magnificent to drive the Portuguese out of the Red Sea and the
Gulf--also led to his death. Put in command of a fleet to drive
the Portuguese out of the Gulf in 1551, he lost most of his ships
and, although in his 80's, was executed. By 1929 both Piri Reis
and his map had been virtually forgotten.
Even then the enthusiasm aroused by the map was short. Once
the initial excitement over the discovery had faded, relatively
few historians of cartography, with the exception of Kahle, paid
much attention to the map or tried seriously to determine exactly
what it proved--even with regard to Columbus. "Imago Mundi," for
example, one of the more important journals devoted to the
history of cartography, has never run a full-length article on
the Piri Reis map.
In 1954, however, a Harvard-trained teacher of the history
of science named Charles Hapgood assigned his class at Keene
State College in New Hampshire to the task of examining the Piri
Reis map more closely. Starting with little knowledge of the
subject--and, says Professor Hapgood emphatically, "no precon-
ceived notions"--he and his students eventually spent seven years
on the project. During that time, Hapgood says, "we discarded
hundreds of hypotheses" before arriving at those advanced in a
book called "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings."
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From: Dean De Lucia [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Antarctic map and Piri Rei
Russ,
I think it is possible that an ancient map survived somehow. Piri Rei was
Turkish, right? Maybe from Plato's time. Plato talked about a God who is
sitting in the center of the Earth or something, right? maybe they had some
understanding back then.
Ralph has posted a few things and suggested that Antartica might have been
Atlantis. Maybe Plato and the Middle Eastern people knew about
Atlantis/Antartica and the hollow Earth, maybe the knowledge was still alive
in the collective memory of the people, or maybe just of the nobility and
such, who knows? I mean, if the Tibetans had it in their collective memories
until now, why couldn't the Greeks and Middle Easteners have conserved it
until 2,000 years ago? In the hollow Earth in the Puranas page/ HE Puranas ?
I give good evidence of direct mention of the Hollow Earth in the Puranas,
and the Jan on our list ( not Janice! ) presents some evidence about the
nagas being in the inner shell from the Mahabharat, where the Bhagavad Gita
is also found. The Puranas, Mahabharata and Gita were revised in " post "
Vedic Sanskrit a good 2,000 years ago, or maybe written down for the first
time 2,000 years ago- but they represent traditions which are much older,
purported to be 5,000 years old. Purported by a culture already advanced in
algebra, astronomy, calender systems, and which possessed a sophisticated
language like Sanskrit, said to be " deva nagari," the language of the gods.
It beats the pants off of English. The Vedic culture extended directly into
Persia at least, and Turkey is the same thing. So if the Hindus knew, the
Turks knew. As the ancient knowledge was blotted out by the rise of
Mohamedism, there might have been a few groups or families that conserved
some of the knoledge from before, and that might explain how such a map
would up in the hands of Piri Rei.
Dharma/Dean
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Found this on another list group.
Seems particularly pertinent to those who question current
mainstream theories about the structure of the Earth.Note the phrase, "deep continental roots."
There was no URL with the message.
--Mike
Mike,
Continental roots might be a seismic misinterpretation of solid depths
interspersed with caverns and tunnels and such.
Dharma/Dean
Russ,
See the Unusual Creatures drawing on the Etidorhpa auxiliary pics page:
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index21.html
Dharma/Dean
Seismic Interpretaion is just that- interpretation. They interpret based on
preconceived ideas on the nature of gravity, based on mere interpretation of
the cavendish experiment, such interpretation being based on unproven
theory. Then they arrive at conclusions.
If they were given a scheme of gravity based on an electromagnetic
radiation, then they would interpret the seismic graphs differently.
They are even given parameters based on a solid configuration. If they were
encouraged to consider a hollow configuration, then their interpretations
would change.
Scott, any comments on your program?
Dharma/Dean
--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Dean De Lucia" <0108@t...> wrote:
Continental roots might be a seismic misinterpretation of solid
depths
interspersed with caverns and tunnels and such.
Dharma/Dean
Yes, and it may provide for long-stable entrances or
passageways to the Mohorovicic layer, which is probably the
primary cavern-realm or world of legend. As I point out in
HIDDEN NEIGHBORS, the nature of large, either constantly or
regularly "blowing" cavern systems such as Lechuguilla,
Mammoth, Blowing Cave, etc., would indicate a deep and
constant area of great pressure which IS FILLED WITH AIR, and
the Moho discontinuity, described as a "seismic irregularity" filled
with peaks (mountains) and troughs (valleys) is a worldwide
region between the crust and mantle which would fit the
description.
--Mike
Yes, and it may provide for long-stable entrances or
passageways to the Mohorovicic layer, which is probably the
primary cavern-realm or world of legend. As I point out in
HIDDEN NEIGHBORS, the nature of large, either constantly or
regularly "blowing" cavern systems such as Lechuguilla,
Mammoth, Blowing Cave, etc., would indicate a deep and
constant area of great pressure which IS FILLED WITH AIR, and
the Moho discontinuity, described as a "seismic irregularity" filled
with peaks (mountains) and troughs (valleys) is a worldwide
region between the crust and mantle which would fit the
description.--Mike
Sure,
Their peaks and troughs are cavern worlds and tunnels.
What gets me is that theory and interpretation always gets passed of as
established fact.
Dharma/Dean
Members,
Olaf is describing the machinery of the ship of the inner world as well as
the inner sun. If the hollow Earthers are aware of soft particles, which no
doubt they are, then their machinery wouldn't have to make the noise of an
internal combustion engine. It would simply be a matter of extracting the
hard particle from within the soft one. The hard particle is the one which
provides heat, i.e., it is electricity. Then you would have an unlimited
supply of electricity all around you at any time.
There are those who feels that the comment about 12 hours of night is an
interpolation/insert. Remember that Olaf communicated this history to the
writer, Emerson, on hi death bed. He gave his notes to Emerson and the
drawings which he had commissioned to have done.Norlan communicated to us
earlier that Emerson had admitted at one point to having toned down a couple
of things. remember that he is writing for a commercial audience and doesn't
want to make it too fantastic; something like this could be going on.
At the same time, the comments about a type of night do have some type of
interpretation within the soft particle scheme. The flow of soft particles
through the Earth's shell could diminish on the side away from the sun of
the solar system. The inner sun absorbs soft particles through the shell, so
the side away from the sun of the solar system could become dimmer and cause
a type of night, or a portion of the 24 hour day which is less bright.
Olaf described the inner sun as being hazy. He described that it seemed to
give out light from a cloud bank. This is what we would expect from a soft
particle sun. Soft particles are aggragates of low frequency photons which
hold harder particles within. When the soft particles get pushed towards the
center, propelled by the gravity radiation for all sides, then the soft
particles experience friction with each other, the more unstable breaking up
and releasing the warmer hard particles as well as grouping into different
soft particles in the visible band of light. It makes sense that this would
give the effect of a disk within a cloud of soft particles emanating all
around it, which is what Olaf is describing. His description really
corresponds to Cater's soft particle scheme, which is why it is so startling
for a person who is familiar with Cater, to read. The hollow earthers were
described by Olaf as sun worshippers; now you know why the title of the book
is The Smokey God. The " smokey " part has been explained.
Olaf describes that the inner sun was, and still is, a constant vitalizer.
This is due to the soft particle nature. That sunlight has captured the
harsher hard particles and doesn't wear one down. Soft particles are a type
of prana, so the enclosed environment of the hollow portion is healthy and "
vitalized " by it's sun. The sunlight won't knock the daylight out of you,
so to speak ( excuse the pun, but I have to enjoy myself, too ). This is why
humans within have such a long duration of life, have such good memories,
and grow so tall. They are normal human beings- We, relegated to a fight for
survival on the exposed, turbulent surface of the planet, are not.
Olaf's comments:
" At the captain's command, the vessel was swung cleverly about, and began
retracing its course up the river. The machinery, while noiseless, was very
powerful. The banks and trees on either side seemed to rush by. The ship's
speed, at times, surpassed that of any railroad train on which I have ever
ridden, even here in America. It was wonderful. In the meantime we had lost
sight of the sun's rays, but we found a radiance "within" emanating from the
dull-red sun which had already attracted our attention, now giving out a
white light seemingly from a cloud-bank far away in front of us. It
dispensed a greater light, I should say, than two full moons on the
brightest night. In twelve hours this cloud of whiteness would pass out of
sight as if eclipsed, and the twelve hours following corresponded with our
night. We early learned that these strange people were worshipers of this
great cloud of night. It was "The Smoky God" of the "Inner World." The ship
was equipped with a mode of illumination which I now presume was
electricity, but neither my father nor myself were sufficiently skilled in
mechanics to understand whence came the power to operate the ship, or to
maintain the soft beautiful lights that answered the same purpose of our
present methods of lighting the streets of our cities, our houses and places
of business. It must be remembered, the time of which write was the autumn
of 1829, and we of the "outside" surface of the earth knew nothing then, so
to speak, of electricity. The electrically surcharged condition of the air
was a constant vitalizer. I never felt better in my life than during the two
years my father and I sojourned on the inside of the earth."
List Members,
Here is part of a private conversation which I had with a fellow who is
communicating with me. I am passing it along to the list because there is
some interesing info here, but I have taken out the fellow's name and a
comment or two for reasons having to do with normal confidentiality. Here it
is:
Long time no see huh? What's up? How r u? I was busy all these days , I
had
my internal exams in college . They went great . Guess what ? Today I was
going through some online articles on Roald Amundsen...u know the guy who
was the first to reach the South Pole , and then later flew over the North
Pole after Admiral Byrd.
As u must already be knowing , Roald Amundsen ACTUALLY DID reach THE South
Pole. Well , if there is/are a polar opening/openings over there , then
how
come he had not found or even mentioned any of such openings .
Hello again. ...
How do you know that Amudsen didn't find the opening?
I don't think
he has ever mentioned of any polar openings near the North or the South
Poles right?
No, he never mentioned such. In the North, when he flew by dirgible from the
North Pole to the Bering Strait, there was a stretch where he should have
been able to perceive the opening. But all he reported were some land birds
and warmer than normal air. So he covered his bases on all sides. In the
future, were he to have to say that he knew about it all the time, he could
point out these two references and say " well, what do you think that they
are all about. Of course, we couldn't tell people that the world was hollow
just then."
Amudsen was related to one of the members of Nansen's expedition, earlier. I
always though that the Nansen expedition encountered more than they told.
They were hand picked, and knew that the nature of the things encountered by
them was bigger than any of them. Let me give an example: If sighting of
land were seen from the New Siberian Islands, i.e., Sannikov Land, of the
nature of over-the-horizon- mirages, then what to speak of Nansen and the
crew who got that much closer. There are indirect hints, statements, that
could mean much more. Nansen wanted to search for land because of the
volcanic ash and land birds. But what if he had even more reason to search
for land- reasons which he didn't spell out in his diary? What if his
conclusions were further-reaching than he documented in his diary? Some kind
of collusion or a vow of secrecy amongst his crew members and later
explorers, such as Roald Amudsen, would not be too far-fetched, either. Then
on back to heads of state, some captains of industry, UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS
IN THE SCIENCE DEPARTMENTS, etc. Collusion is not so hard to imagine. You
can't just come out and tell people that the Earth is hollow and that at
least some of the flying saucers come from within. And if you ever made
secret contact with them, they would probably tell you that they would
prefer not to have their civilization disturbed.
Scott also discovered the South Pole. He died on the way back. Strangely, he
died just a few days march or something like that from his home base. How
unusual. 'He seemed to have been an outsider and maybe wasn't going to keep
his mouth shut about what he had seen. So unfortunately, he had to be
eliminated ( under this hypothesis.)
If is difficult to caver all possibilities if you won't openly consider a
conspiracy hypothesis. If you play the game on another man's turf, with the
information that he gives you, how are you going to come out on top?
Apart from Admiral Byrd , even he(Amundsen) did fly over the
North Pole in his airship "Norge" just 3 days later(after Admiral byrd
did)
on the 12th of May 1926 . Did Amundsen report of any strange land with
mammoths and lush green vegetation etc. etc. and other stuff that Byrd had
CLAIMED that HE had discovered ? I mean , if both of them flew over the
North Pole , both must've observed SIMILAR , if not the SAME things right?
Did Amundsen also observe and experience the same phenomena while he was
on
his journey towards the North Pole , as had been experienced by other
polar
explorere like Peary,Nansen,Byrd ec. , such as open seas, rising
temperatures , abundant tropical life etc.? Did Amundsen mention anything
ever about the possibility of the earth being hollow?
I have partially answered you above. But only some older writers speculated
that the opening is right on the Pole. There is not absolute proof to say
this, as the poles shift and wobble, while the openings are fixed. It is
more reasonable to say that the openings are in the polar areas.
Also, it goes without saying that some paths to the poles will pass near the
openings, while others will not. Other paths might be on the opposite side.
Actually, it is still possible that the actual poles are over the openings,
in mid air. In this case, from the inner part of the downward-sloping
portion, one's perspective would be cock-eyed, skewed inward, such that the
" apparent " axis of the stellar canopy is directly overhead. Nobody can
exactly tell until we get up there. Even if one insisted on a certain model
and got it right, an element of luck would be involved because we just don't
have enough information to know for sure.
And , by the way , has anyone ever questioned the AUTHENTICITY of Byrd's
claims ? Did Byrd ever claim that he had discovered a whole new strange
land
PUBLICLY......u know , maybe in lectures , or radio , or newspaper etc. If
so , then how did Amundsen and other polar explorers react to his claims ?
Supposedly, there was a cinema trailer which came out with the announcement,
and some old people remembered this, but they were snatched up after a week,
so they say.
It is hard to authenticate what Byrd actually said. There could be some
misinformation floating around, some incongruencies, such that he couldn't
be at two places at the same time. That's why I don't argue much from the
platform of Byrd's experiences. There is enough evidence otherwise.
And also ,as u must be knowing, Amundsen disappeared forever near the
Arctics/North Pole on 22nd June and was never heard from again while he
was
on a mission to rescue another Italian Arctic explorer - Nobile , and his
crew . What do u have to say 'bout this.....what do u think could've
happened ?
No, I didn't know this. Maybe he went in the opening and didn't really die.
Maybe he died naturally, maybe his secrecy was suspected and he was
assasinated. I can't say.
Later,
Dharma/Dean
List Members,
I've already made the point that, while sailing across the Northern coast of
the Old World, Nansen interviewed certain people, Russians I suppose, in
relation to sightings of land above The New Siberian Islands, called
Sannikov Land. Even so, from above the New Siberian Islands, his crew
reported no such sightings, and I've already brought up a conspiracy
hypothesis in relation to this. We can assume that such sightings were
over-the-horizon mirages/reflections, carried by thermal layers of air as
Jan Lamprecht explains.
In order to further strenghthen this possibility, let me point out the
following. H.D. Northrup further notes that the light of the aurora is
continuous during the Arctic night." ( Gardner, page 287 ). Now for
Nordenskiold's comment through the NY Times: " Whenever the sky was clear,
and there was no sun or moon, he saw constant in the NE horizon, and almost
exactly in the same exact spot, a faintly luminous arc ...."
Well, Nansen and the crew went way North of the islands and didn't report a
direct sighting of land. Nor did they report a continuous light from the
opening. They spent a year in the same general area, all four or five months
of the Arctic night in that area, and they didn't report anything like this.
Strange. The invisible, low frequency, soft particle light emanating from
the opening would generally not be perceptible because they would remain
integral. Unless, of course, you were up close like the above two
explorers, because the soft particle light is going to break up at least a
little, and separate into its constutuent frequencies, including some
visible ones. When sunspot activity increses, so does the buildup of soft
particles inside the hollow cavity, as well as the intensity of the flow to
the outside. This would create even more breakup into visible light. Solar
flares kick up quite often, so the flow rate should intensify on and off
with regularity during the year. So if Nansen and the crew spent the entire
Arctic night closer to the opening than the above explorers, then they
should have seen some illumination occurring close enough to the ground to
tip them off. The explorers on the other side of the basin reported it, so
why not Nansen? The actual opening doesn't seem to be on the other side, the
Canadian/Greenland side, because it is rather well traveled and explored.
But there are reasons to suspect that the opening is above Siberia where
Nansen was stuck in the ice for a few years.
Really, maybe they saw more than they reported and their conclusions went
further than was let on. Still, they let out a few details, such as " hmmm,
I saw fox tracks today. How about that? How did warm blooded mammals get up
here? " in order to cover their tracks, in case they wanted to prove later
on that actually they were on to the truth the whole time, that they knew
but just couldn't reveal everything. maybe nansen was snt because there were
suspicions all along. There was certainly enough evidence from reports
further back in time.
Dean
From the Deep Dweller section of Mike Mott's book:
Other common themes emerge as well. The entities are described by their
victims as "drone-like," "robotic," "clinical," and so forth, and are also
described as "reptilian," "lizard-like," or as having reptilian, birdlike,
or amphibian skin texture. In many instances the abduction experience moves
to a "cavern city," "cavern world," or "underground base."
It is in these latter, subterranean places, that "hybrid beings," having
"alien," human, or other animal characteristics are reported as being seen
in development, along with cannibalism and torture of human beings. One such
site has been alleged by several researchers and "abductees" as being
beneath Archuleta Mesa, near Dulce, New Mexico. In these prolonged episodes,
other beings enter the scene, such as "hybrid" children who are frail, pale,
and ectomorphic, but generally human in appearance.
Dharma/Dean
Members,
Here the Guide in Etidorhpa makes the point that if gravity were related to
the density of mass and centered at the center of the Earth globe, the air
would tend to disappear from the surface and gravitate towards the central
portion. 45 miles of atmosphere wouldn't resist for long on a planet with a
diamter of 5,000 miles; any increase in gravity and the gas will become
denser at the center. Equilibrium would not likely last for thousands, what
to speak of millions, of years.
Since the gravity-producing radiation is strongest at the surface, the
density of the atmosphere/air tends to be the greatest at that point. Again
we find a phenomenon described which corresponds to Cate's soft particle
model, his model in which gravity is not defined by the size of mass. The
air congregates outwards, not inwards. The gravity-inducing radiation is
strongest at the outer limits because it runs across forces which diminish
it as it penetrates inwards. This is only natural.
From Chapter 49:
" The greater degree of attraction for gases belongs, therefore, to the
earth's exterior surface."
" Exactly at the earth's exterior surface ?" I asked.
" Practically so. The greatest density of the air is found a few miles below
the surface of the ocean; the air becomes more attenuated as we proceed in
either direction from that point. Were this not the case, the atmosphere
that surrounds the earth would be quickly absorbed into its substance, or
expand into space and disappear."
" Scientific men claim that the atmosphere is forty-five geographical miles
in depth over the earth's surface," I said.
" If the earth is eight thousand miles in diameter, how long
would such an atmosphere, a skin only, over a great ball, resist
such attraction, and remain above the globe? Were it really
attracted towards its center- it would disappear as a film of water sinks
into a sponge."
" Do you know," I interrupted, " that if these statements were made to men
they would not be credited? Scientific men have calculated the weights of
the planets, and have estimated therefrom the density of the earth, showing
it to be solid, and knowing its density, they would, on this consideration
alone, discredit your story concerning the earth shell."
" You mistake, as you will presently see. It is true that man's ingenuity
has enabled him to ascertain the weights and densities of the planets, but
do you mean to say that these scientific results preclude the possibility of
a hollow interior of the heavenly bodies?"
" I confess, I do."
" You should know then, that what men define as density of the earth, is but
an average value, which is much higher than that exhibited by materials in
the surface layers of the earth crust, such as come within the scrutiny of
man. This fact allows mortals of upper earth but a vague conjecture as to
the nature of the seemingly much heavier substances that exist in the
interior of the earth. Have men any data on hand to show exactly how matter
is distributed below the limited zone that is accessible to their
investigations?"
" I think not."
" You may safely accept, then, that the earth shell I have described to you
embraces in a compact form the total weight of the earth. Even though men
take for granted that mattes fills out the whole interior of our planet,
such material would not, if distributed as on earth's surface, give the
earth the density he has determined for it."
" I must acquiesce in your explanations."
" Let us now go a step further in this argument. What do you imagine is the
nature of those heavier substances whose existence deep within the earth is
suggested by the exceedingly high total density observed by man on upper
earth?"
" I am unable to explain, especially as the materials surrounding us here,
seemingly, do not differ much from those with which my former life.
Experience has made me acquainted."
" Your observation is correct, there is no essential difference in this
regard. But as we are descending into the interior of this globe, and are
approaching the central seat of the shell of energy, the opposing force into
which we plunge becomes correspondingly stronger, and as a consequence,
matter pressed within it becomes really lighter. Your own experience about
your weight gradually disappearing during this journey should convince you
of the correctness of this fact."
" Indeed, it does," I admitted.
" You will then readily understand, that the heavy material to which
surface-bred mortals allude as probably constituting the interior of the
earth, is, in fact, nothing but the manifestation of a matter-supporting
force, as exemplified in the sphere of attractive energy, the seat of which
we are soon to encounter on our journey. Likewise the mutual attraction of
the heavenly bodies is not a property solely of their material part, but an
expression in which both the force-spheres and the matter collected thereon
take part.
" Tell me more of the sphere in which gravitation is intensest."
" Of that you are yet to judge," he replied. "When we come to a state of
rest in the stratum of greater gravity, we will then traverse this crevice
in the sheet of energy until we reach the edge of the earth crust, after
which we will ascend towards the interior of the earth, until we reach the
inner crust, which is, as before explained, a surface of matter that lies
comformably with the external crust of the earth, and which is the interior
surface of the solid part of the earth. There is a concave world beneath the
outer convex world."
Posted by Dharma/Dean
List members,
The implication of all the new members has just dawned on me- I should be
collecting dues! ( Not really ). Actually, we have picked up about 50 people
since early December. I think that a lot of you all are new the the Hollow
Earth Theory. Probably you want to get some kind of orientation, some kind
of justification for believing such a thing. Some people think that this is
as bad as the Flat Earth Society.
I recommend that you all get some books from Health Research, first of all.
Get A Journey to the Earth's Interior, by Marshall B. Gardner; it is the
most complete compendium of Arctic evidence that you will ever see:
http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/categories/hollowearth.htm
Etidorhpa is another classic hollow earth book. It describes a " tour " of
the inner shell, with all the attendent mysteries and wonders. There is a
lot of ether science explained. Etidorhpa is on any search engine, like
www.bibliofind.com
And then there is Cater's book, The Ultimate Reality, available only through
the first address, Health Research.
But in the meantime, Why bot read through the Arctic Evidence page on my
site? http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index5.html
The reading is interesting and fascinating, not everything there is mine. By
the time you finish that page ( long! ), you will have a good handle on the
whole issue of Arctic evidence. If there really is an opening to the hollow
portion of the Earth, a couple hundred miles wide, then there would have to
be some kind of tell-tale sign of it outside, AND THERE IS!!!! You don't
have to get a master's degree to get exposed to the long and short of it-
most every consideration is there on that page.
And then write in and post, you don't have to be just a lurker, you can say
something, ask something. Nobody can just run across all this and not even
wonder about something. Nobody will jump all over you.
Later,
Dharma/Dean
Members,
The soft particle/orgone environment of the hollow portion, with less of the
harsher hard particles that we have on the surface, seem to do wonders for
agriculture, too.
From Olaf's testimony, The Smokey God:
" Vegetation grew in lavish exuberance, and fruit of all kinds possessed the
most delicate flavour. Clusters of grapes four and five feet in length, each
grape as large as an orange, and apples larger than a man's head typified
the wonderful growth of all things on the "inside" of the earth. The great
redwood trees of California would be considered mere underbrush compared
with the giant forest trees extending for miles and miles in all directions.
In many directions along the foothills of the mountains vast herds of cattle
were seen during the last day of our travel on the river."
List Members,
We always talk about the hollow earth in legends and folklore. We point out
the existence of hollow earth awaremenss in Tibetan folklore and the Hindu
( sister cultures ), and conclude that the knowledge got lost. The question
is, how and why?
It's really extreme to say that half of humanity lives on the other side of
the planet, the inner side, and that humans of the outer surface forgot. How
do you forget something like that? What position are you in if you forget
something like that?
We seem to be in an unfortunate position in relation to the hollow earthers.
They are reported to have long durations of life, great memories, stature,
physical strength and a nice place to live. For some reason, they don't
want us in, or else they would make an effort to bring the true situation to
our attention. Think about this- Let's say that Californians were to
suddenly experience a great natural disaster, for example, let's say that
half of the state slowly sunk into the ocean, leaving the Easten half of the
state crowded with refugees. The people in other parts of the country would
make a tremendous effort to take the Californians in and give them shelter,
a new start, et cetera. The hollow earthers haven't done that with us
throughout history. So our position in relation to them is not like this.
What about the starving poor in Haiti? Americans may send some charity and
be sincerely sorry for those people, but nobody wants to accept them into
the country even though those people live in our hemisphere, very close to
us, and even though they share an identity and legacy with Afro-Americans.
Not only are they not allowed in, but the Coast Guard is always there to
make sure that they can't get in. I imagine that our position, in relation
to the hollow Earthers, is something along these lines, that we are too
inappropriate to paticipate in their culture, that we have gone too far
down, and maybe not only physically, maybe we have become intellectually,
morally psychologically inappropriate.
On the other hand, there seems to be an effort which has taken place on the
surface to induce our forgetfulness. This may have been/is being brought
about by a culture which is opposed to the hollow Earthers, and which may
have even forcefully ripped our two cultures apart and bottled up the hollow
Earthers for a period, until we reached this inappropriate level. These
could be the UFO creatures which are so inimical to humans. There is a lot
to suggest that they are based in the inner shell below the Earth's surface,
but I'm not going to get into that, Mike Mott wrote a whole book on it.
I can, however, present some empirical, surface-Earth history in favor of
the hypothesis that there has been a systematic effort to rid our collective
memories of our past with the hollow Earth culture. This could explain why
hollow Earth memories only exist in an inaccessible place like Tibet, the
roof of the world. Even then, the collective memories are from a long time
ago, it seems that any type of active relationship was abandoned or impeded
a long time ago. The Hindus have a tradition of not changing the messages
passed down in disciplic succession; theirs is a traditional culture. Even
there, some mention seems to have escaped unscathed by the Puranic revision
of 2,000 years ago, although the Hindus aren't very conscious of these
comments, nor can they properly understand or interpret them.
You will see in the following comments by P.N. Oaks that the culture
previous to the Islamic culture was not only supressed once the Mohamedans
came to power, but that systematic attempts were made to erase memory of it.
Christian armies did the same thing in Northern Europe, and the beginning of
the popular Christian uprising in Greece had the same effect. All religions
seem to have their dark side because humanity has a dark side. The Hindus
themselves turned against their own labor class and practically made slaves
out of them. Of course, the Vedic culture was one which mentions direct
conncetions with people and events of the hollow Earth, so its erasure
specifically suggests an attempt to erase any connection with the hollow
portion.
Here is the piece from Our World Vedic Heritage, by P.N. Oaks, page 700:
" Despite systematic destruction of the traces of pre-Islamic, Vedic culture
among the Arabs, the Caliph, being informed that pre-Islamic, Arab poetry
was still retained and recited by several Arabs who nostalgically recalled
their Vedic past, they devised a diabolic plot to make the Arabs disgorge
that cultural treasure. Repeated proclamations were sent out that the
Calpihs wished, very magnamimously, to compile an anthology of all
pre-Islamic Arab verse, and therefore, wanted all Arabs to turn in all such
poems in return for gold coins.
The bait was alluring to the impoverished Arabs. They assiduously collected
all Vedic, Sanskrit, Arab poetry manuscripts concerning the pre-Islamic
culture of Arabia and took them to the Caliph. Such repeated calls and
offers brought in a large collection. Had that [ collection ] really been
preserved and published, it would have been a very rich source of history.
But all that collection was cunningly destroyed."
Posted by Dharma/Dean
--- Hi Dean De Lucia <[email protected]>
Hi List Members,
I most certainly take stock in Olaf Jensen's story;
The Smoky God by Willis George Emerson. This wonderful
book tells how a Norse father and son sailed into the
inner earth and spent two years there. The book
describes the people their religion and their sun.
Amherst Press P.O. Box 296 Amherst, WI 54406
While Reed and Gardner were content to theorize about
the inner earth, Olaf Jansen claimed actually to have
been there.
Olaf Jansen is a Norwegian sailor and his adventure
may be a real life account. His story, set in the
1800s, is told in Willis Emerson's biography entitled
"The Smoky God"
As a teen-age boy in 1829, Jansen related, he sailed
with his father to Zemlay Frants Iosifa (Franz Joseph
Land),a group of islands high above the Arctic Circle,
in search of Mammoth ivory tusk. Finding open seas and
fair weather,they resolved to explore unknown waters
to the north. A storm drove them through a barrier of
fog and snow, nearly capsizing their frail sloop, and
delivered them to a cloudless calm beyond.They sailed
on in fine weather and spied a smoky, furnace-colored
sun, which turned out to be a so-called Smoky God that
was worshiped as a deity by the inhabitants of the
inner world they had entered.**
There the Jansens met with a race of good-humored
giants, ten to twelve feet tall. They visited a
seaport city that was surrounded by vineyards and
richly ornamented with gold;they saw herds of
mammoth-like-elephants of the Miocene era grazing in a
forest of trees so tall that they would dwarf the
California red-woods into seeming like underbrush, and
they ate grapes the size of oranges. They were whisked
by monorail to the city of the Lost Garden of Eden,
where they met the great high priest in a palace paved
with gold and jewels.
After two and a half years in this paradise, the
homesick father and son were allowed to leave.
Carrying bags of gold nuggets, they sailed through the
south polar opening. the elder Jansen was drowned when
an iceberg crushed their sloop, but Olaf was rescued
by a Scottish whaler.
In support of his fantastic tale, Jansen called on
some of the same evidence that Reed and Gardner had
used in their theorizing. He mentioned magnetic
irregularities at the poles, wind-blown pollen, and
the mammoth bones in Siberia. And he believed that a
party of Swedish polar explorers, lost in a balloon
after leaving Spitsbergen in 1897, "are now in
the'within'world and doubtless are being entertained,
as my father and myself were entertained, by the
kind-hearted giant race inhabiting the inner Atlantic
Continent."
Jansen had to wait to reveal the truth, he explained,
because when he first tried to tell his story, he was
considered insane, and he was locked up into an asylum
for twenty-eight years. Amazingly the Norwegian sailor
was later released and went to retire at Glendale,
California, in the early 1900s. Just before he died,
at the age of ninety-five, he told writer Willis
George Emerson, one of his few friends, an incredible
story, which Emerson published in 1908 under the title
The Smoky God, or, a Voyage to the Inner World.
---Russ
**Olafs little sloop drifted so far north by storm
that he actually sailed into the north polar entrance
and lived for two years in one of the colonies of the
Agartha Network, called "Shamballa the Lesser." He
describes his host as those "of the central seat of
government for the inner continent...measuring a
full12 feet in height...extending courtises and
showing kindness...laughing heartily when they had to
improvise chairs for my father and I to sit in." Olaf
tells of a "smoky" inner sun, a world comprised of
three-fourths land and one-fourth water.
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